RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6
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RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6 - 10/8/2007 12:37:41 PM
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gearhed289
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IF Ford is still giving away the A/T on the GT models, it really doesn't make any sense to me to get a manual.
What do you mean "giving away"?
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RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6 - 10/8/2007 4:49:27 PM
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I haven't owned an automatic since 1972; I just love rowing through the gears to much.....
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RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6 - 10/8/2007 5:10:11 PM
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gtucker4
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If I find the right deal, I won't care much about the transmission either! :-D
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RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6 - 10/10/2007 7:01:40 AM
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GPStang06
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If you build a CS8 with a different SC, you will have to do a stage 1 as Shelby will not certify it complete without a Paxton even if it is a Ford kit (which may not matter to you). That's just the way they do things. You may run into issues with a roots/whipple supercharger clearing the CS8 hood. The hood is thick top to bottom and may not clear the top of the supercharger. Someone tried to put a Roushcharger and it wouldn't clear. The 18 inch wheels won't fit over the 14 inch Shelby supplied Baer brakes.
I don't know anything about the MRT turbo. I do know about the Powerhouse. Todd (Rygen) at the **** has run 10.9 on a Powerhouse turbo V6.
This correct on fitment issues with a roots/twinscrew design, at least confimed with a Roushcharger and a Whipple. I am the one with the Roush and I had to modify the inner layer to accomodate it and if you like I will post the pics. Someone who had the hood and then added a Whipple also had to cut his inner layer to fit the pulley area and the intake tube. When I purchased my kit the only snafu to buying it was the question of the hood and my blower. I was told it would fit as the inner layer is the same mold as factory however it didn't fit because the CS6 hood is approx. a half inch thicker on the inside. SAI sent me a new hood figuring I had gotten a bad mold but the second hood was the same. (I pretty much tested this for them.) I kept the hood and modified it however if you go the CS8 route, check with Shelby Performance Parts (it's run by Scott Drake Inc. now). My hood came from the first batch as Paleoc's did and they did say last year they where going to test fit with top mounted blowers so they may have made adjustments.
Paleoc, explain the "certify" the complete package you mentioned. I am on the SAI forums and that has still not been mentioned publicly yet. Even the stripe package including the side strips are available to me or anyone weather I have the a full kit or not. Since I have been shopping stripes I have been quoted a price for the CS6/CS8 stripes.
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RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6 - 10/10/2007 8:50:25 AM
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GPStang06
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I hope they did too, would be better for them. Also of note though, Jason from Hillbank had to make a small opening under his hood as well even though he has a Paxton. Paleoc even had to make a small minor adjustment to his but not because contact I don't think but rather a heat issue. All three of us got our hoods in the early stages of the kit so maybe they did make changes.
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RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6 - 10/10/2007 3:04:54 PM
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Paleoc, explain the "certify" the complete package you mentioned. I am on the SAI forums and that has still not been mentioned publicly yet. Even the stripe package including the side strips are available to me or anyone weather I have the a full kit or not. Since I have been shopping stripes I have been quoted a price for the CS6/CS8 stripes.
That is interesting as when I got my stripes I was firmly told that in order to obtain CS6/8 stripes you had to prove that you had installed a 100% complete kit. With all the variation with the CS6/8's that have been built (mine is one of the few that conform to the original prototypes) it makes sense to ease up the restrictions on stripes and I am in agreement with that. However, I wish they would make their policies and stick to them or least announce their policies and if they change them, announce the changes. The constant changing their mind back and forth is irritating and unprofessional especially since they don't announce the changes.
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RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6 - 10/10/2007 3:06:45 PM
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Paleoc
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I hope they did too, would be better for them. Also of note though, Jason from Hillbank had to make a small opening under his hood as well even though he has a Paxton. Paleoc even had to make a small minor adjustment to his but not because contact I don't think but rather a heat issue. All three of us got our hoods in the early stages of the kit so maybe they did make changes.
It was not just heat, the top of the Paxton supercharger was actually rubbing on the bottom of the hood and rubbed some of the polish off of it.
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RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6 - 10/10/2007 3:49:00 PM
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Hey Paleoc,
If what GPS said is true, and I could get the alternate 18" wheels, and another blower, do you think that would make good daily driving material? If so, who makes brakes that would fit inside the 18" wheels? I would think the FR GT upgrade brakes would work, since they also sell 18" wheels themselves. Looking to upgrade both front and rear, by the way. I've been "persuaded" to pay more attention to the X-Charger, if I go with a CS6 project, and the power potential of the Whipple/FR supercharger on a CS8 is too hard to ignore. I was talking with the guy who built the designed the X-Charger kit about an hour ago, and he seemed really honest and easy to deal with. He told me that out of all the S/C on the market, the Paxton was the least desireable choice, because you have to change the oil on it so often. Is this true?
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RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6 - 10/10/2007 7:35:30 PM
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Paleoc
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Hey Paleoc,
If what GPS said is true, and I could get the alternate 18" wheels, and another blower, do you think that would make good daily driving material? If so, who makes brakes that would fit inside the 18" wheels? I would think the FR GT upgrade brakes would work, since they also sell 18" wheels themselves. Looking to upgrade both front and rear, by the way. I've been "persuaded" to pay more attention to the X-Charger, if I go with a CS6 project, and the power potential of the Whipple/FR supercharger on a CS8 is too hard to ignore. I was talking with the guy who built the designed the X-Charger kit about an hour ago, and he seemed really honest and easy to deal with. He told me that out of all the S/C on the market, the Paxton was the least desireable choice, because you have to change the oil on it so often. Is this true?
X-Charger is supposedly one of the easier kits to install. It has has all the plusses and minuses of a roots. Low-mid end power and torque but a tendency to heat soak. As for the Paxton, I think he is full of .... It is identical to the Vortech except for the head unit. I suspose since it is oil cooled and lubricated, it might break the oil down faster due to heat. I have an oil cooler, so its no big deal to me.
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RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6 - 10/11/2007 10:32:41 AM
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GPStang06
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Paleoc, explain the "certify" the complete package you mentioned. I am on the SAI forums and that has still not been mentioned publicly yet. Even the stripe package including the side strips are available to me or anyone weather I have the a full kit or not. Since I have been shopping stripes I have been quoted a price for the CS6/CS8 stripes.
That is interesting as when I got my stripes I was firmly told that in order to obtain CS6/8 stripes you had to prove that you had installed a 100% complete kit. With all the variation with the CS6/8's that have been built (mine is one of the few that conform to the original prototypes) it makes sense to ease up the restrictions on stripes and I am in agreement with that. However, I wish they would make their policies and stick to them or least announce their policies and if they change them, announce the changes. The constant changing their mind back and forth is irritating and unprofessional especially since they don't announce the changes.
Well, like you, confusion is at the maximum now I think, not just for us but the others who started building these last year when the package was in it's infancy. I was also told about not being able to get the stripes until I have "proven" that I had everything else installed on the car and the reciepts to prove I had purchased all the components from an authorized Shelby dealer but this information was from Hillbank, not SAI. When working with SAI to get my lower grill finally John W. quoted me a price for the "Supercharged" and non Supercharged stripe packages. This however was back in June of this year before Scott Drake Inc. took over running Shelby Performance Parts.
GTucker, this is of course is only my opinion but based on what you have stated in this thread this is what I would do if I was in your position.
First off, what do you want out of a new Mustang? A fun car for a few years, collectability, modifications, 1/4 mile racing, Road racing, etc. etc.
I think answering those questions will help you decide what direction you want to go in. If it where me in your shoes I would choose the following:
1. Collectable purpose: Shelby GT. I think it's a gamble no matter what car you choose for this purpose. Nobody knows what Shelby GT's will be worth and thanks to Barrett Jackson being televised as it is, the craze for cars like this is alive and well.
2. Rare, Unique style: Shelby CS6/CS8 package to some degree. This is what I chose because of the unique style of it. When I go to a car show or a Mustang show there are always Roush's, GT500's, Saleens, Steeda Q's, even Foose's but I have yet to see a CS6/8 or a car like mine with the appearance package on it which is why I picked it, it's different. Read more below on the CS6/8 opinion.
3. Modding car: Want to mod your car your way? Buy a GT or V6 and have at it, no worries here to ruin a future collectable value.
4. Race car: Something for drag racing or road track: Buy a GT and build it to your specs for what you need for the track. Again, get all the speed out of it by modding it without affecting future valle of a collectable.
5. Everyday driver: GT or V6 depending on what you like. The stock GT has loads of fun factor and coupled with a SC the fun factor goes way up. There are a lot of choices for SC's on a GT and tuned properly you can put them on the stock motor without having to change internals. Worried about warranty and engine life? A GT with a Roushcharger is the way to go for an everyday driver. Certainly not the fastest blower but it's main use is to add kick to the stock motor and last the life of the car while not shortening the engines life. This is why it keeps the 3/36000, it's considered "safe". If not, you can also go any route you want with a GT, Kenne Bell, Whipple, Turbo, etc. etc.
Shelby GT vs. CS6/CS8 assesment.
If you want the collectable value of a Shelby then the Shelby GT offers the best chance. Not saying a complete CS6/8 won't but being it won't go into the Shelby registry the chances are a lot less. If you also don't want to mod anything the SGT is a good choice. It's all done already and all you have to do is drive it.
The CS6/8 "kit" is designed to be just that, a kit. Personally I wouldn't purchase the full $12,999 kit if you plan on having someone else install everything. Paleoc has given you his review from that route since he has the complete "Turn 2" package. IMO this kit is more for the "do it yourself" kind of person who wants to build his/her own Shelby. Amy B has said numerous times that is what this kit is for. Having someone else install everything will cost a lot. Paint/prep alone will run between 1 to 2k depending on what price you get. Now tack on the cost to install everything else. My guess is you would end up spending somewhere between 5 to 7k in labor above the $12,999 price maybe more. You could also do what I am doing. I went with appearance route on a GT which is just the body components. I plan do do some 1/4 mile and road racing here and there so I am going my own way in regards to suspension and power. This way I have the look I want and the power and handling I need ot get out of the car what I am looking for.
Besides, I may be bias but I think the body parts look fine on a regular GT. 
< Message edited by GPStang06 -- 10/11/2007 10:36:37 AM >
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RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6 - 10/11/2007 11:29:24 AM
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gtucker4
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Hey GPS,
Your car looks fantastic, without the decals! I'm just wondering, why they offer a unique front fascia for the CS6/CS8, but didn't design a new rear, or at least use the CS/GT500 rear fascia? I hear what you're saying about the Roushcharger, but the 400HP Whipple from FR also has the 3/36 warranty, if you get it put on before you take delivery of the car. The 500HP blower doesn't get that, but you could always upgrade to the H/O components later. You're right about the rarity of the CS6/8s, yours and Paleoc's are the only customer cars I've even seen pictures of. That registry thing is a big deal to some, but I just like the styling of the CS cars. It's kind of strange that Mr. Shelby himself would pose with the car, but it's not "officially" recognized as of yet. I've got another thread regarding the Ford pricing plans, and if I can finally get someone who's serious enough to find the car I really want, and make something happen, I can weigh the options much better. At roughly $30-31k for a Shelby GT, would you consider that a no brainer?
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RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6 - 10/11/2007 3:37:52 PM
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GPStang06
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Hey GPS,
Your car looks fantastic, without the decals! I'm just wondering, why they offer a unique front fascia for the CS6/CS8, but didn't design a new rear, or at least use the CS/GT500 rear fascia?
Thanks for the compliments! My guess is because the CS and the GT500 where not in full production yet when the CS6 was being finalized (meaning the parts weren't readily available). Here is a little secret as well, the fascia that comes with the CS6 package is actually a standard GT rear fascia. You could pick one of those up color matched all over the place from places like Saleen and Steeda (this is if you had a V6). I put the GT500/CS on mine as well as Jason from Hillbank. You only needed a rear fascia if you had a V6 and needed the cutout for the dul exhaust.
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I hear what you're saying about the Roushcharger, but the 400HP Whipple from FR also has the 3/36 warranty, if you get it put on before you take delivery of the car. The 500HP blower doesn't get that, but you could always upgrade to the H/O components later.
You know I forgot about Ford recently doing that, always good to have choices. If that was available to me last year when I got my 06 i would have chose the Whipple, just the Roush was already on my car and it was the last 06 manual GT in the area when I was looking. Couple 0% financing in and it was a no brainer for me.
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You're right about the rarity of the CS6/8s, yours and Paleoc's are the only customer cars I've even seen pictures of. That registry thing is a big deal to some, but I just like the styling of the CS cars. It's kind of strange that Mr. Shelby himself would pose with the car, but it's not "officially" recognized as of yet.
That's what's good abotu this thread, you have 2 types of these cars, Paleocs which is a full kit top to bottom and mine which is a GT with only pieces which give you 2 good perspectives. Paleoc is right, there is probably less then 20 full complete CS6/8's running around right now which does make it rare but there are quite a few that have purchased the body parts to do their own thing somewhat like myself. According to Amy B. they CS6/8's such as Paleoc's and even mine (I have the parts to make it a complete "Turn 1" kit) because the parts are well...Shelby parts, well lets just say it here, most are made by other companies like the side scoops are made by Xenon. The difference is these cars won't (could of course change) be in the official registry because they are not built by Shelby. They have stated many times they will not build complete CS6/8's, to busy with the SGT's and KR's. The car with Carol in the picture is actually his car and the first prototype.
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. I've got another thread regarding the Ford pricing plans, and if I can finally get someone who's serious enough to find the car I really want, and make something happen, I can weigh the options much better.
Here is food for thought on the comment I made about total cost to build a complete CS6/8 with labor. I forgot the link but I remember seeing a Shelby dealer selling a black CS6 as complete as Paleoc's car. They did all the work and where selling it for something like $45k.
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At roughly $30-31k for a Shelby GT, would you consider that a no brainer?
Well, I have to say I am confused. $30-31K for a SGT is a steel (if it's brand new). The new GT premiums are around $30 to 32 depending on options. The Shelby package is $8k on top of that so hell yea I would say that is a no brainer, especially if you are interested in it to begin with. Just not sure I would use it as an everyday driver plus that full FRPP suspension is pretty harsh of rougher roads. Places like here in South Florida are easy to have sports cars in because the roads are generally in smooth condition but places like NJ, NY with the weather beat roads would be rough.
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RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6 - 10/11/2007 7:29:01 PM
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gtucker4
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Hey GPS,
I got that 31k from taking a pretty stock GT at invoice, minus rebates and incentives, and added the $8390 for the Shelby conversion. Plus, anything I get is going to be a daily driver, so maybe an SGT is not such a great idea after all, due to things like door dings, rock chips, potholes... I finally think the road to travel for me is getting much clearer. An SGT would be great, but I'll have to pass, and go with a stock car, and take it from there. I've eliminated one option, now only one question remains, the age old debate...V6 or GT? By the way, I've still not seen a CS6/8 in any other color but Vista Blue...
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RE: Shelby GT Vs. CS6 - 10/14/2007 8:30:04 PM
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gtucker4
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Thanks for the link Paleoc. So, you've seen the silver and red ones? I'd love to check those out...
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