Wheels do not come with the tires. Also due to the bigger brakes (20 inch wheels were necessary to clear the brakes), your donut spare is rendered useless. I bought an extra wheel and tire as a spare or you could go with a inflation kit as in the GT500. Your car can be any color. With a silver or grey car you get dark grey stripes instead of silver.
A few of the aftermarket parts were necessary. The stock driveshaft (and to a lesser extent the one on the GT) is a heavy, total POS and will come apart explosively at high speed (which is why stock, it is speed limited to 112mph) so replacing it is a safety issue.
Shelby has always been more about road courses rather than the dragstrip. The early GT350's (the ones that are in heavier demand) weren't all that impressive on the dragstrip but were built for handling. Shelby got to try one equipped with a Paxton (and sold them for the GT350's) and he has stuck with Paxton ever since. With the Eibach supplied suspension, my car will outhandle a GT on a road course (better weight distribution) and run circles around a front heavy GT500. On a dragstrip, it will do OK, not great but then the suspension (and supercharger) are not optimized for it.
Why not a Whipple? First off, they don't make a Whipple for the V6. They make a Roots type (which was not available in 2005 when the car was first built). A centrifugal supercharger is a better choice for a handling course due to the more even way the power comes on. For example, you come into a tight slow turn. You brake and slow the car. The car comes out of boost. Halfway through the turn, you floor the gas (I can hear my instructor yelling at me in my head as I write this, "Floor it! Floor it!). With a Roots or Screw supercharger, the sudden power kick with full boost while you are pulling a very hard turn is likely to land you in the bushes unless you are very careful. The centrifugal starts building power instead, so there is much less of a dramatic power surge. It will definitely let you know when the boost comes on but its far less dramatic. When you in the straight away, the boost is at maximum for speed. At the track you spend a lot of time in the high rpm range, even at moderate speeds as you down shift a lot. At the strip, it is a different situation. You want more low-middle end power and torque and are not going to be spending a lot of time at the high end of the tach. Spin up, shift, spin up, shift, 10-12 seconds later - ride over.
Again, I want to emphasize that this is NOT a good choice for a daily driver. It has a stiff, track suspension with poor ground clearance (it won't clear parking curbs) and even at the softest setting (the front stabilizer bars are adjustable), it can be a rough ride especially on poorer roads. If there is snow on the streets, well you are going to be driving a very odd and poorly designed snow plow.
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Everybody - just buy what the hell you want!! Who gives a damn!!
Evidently the person who started this thread. That, however, does not mean that you have to read it. You are welcome to try a different thread or even a different forum. You might consider this one http://priuschat.com/
Everybody - just buy what the hell you want!! Who gives a damn!!
Evidently the person who started this thread. That, however, does not mean that you have to read it. You are welcome to try a different thread or even a different forum. You might consider this one http://priuschat.com/
Ok, finally ready to post some numbers! Hope this helps for anyone else who is conflicted about which way to go, like I've been for a while... Keep in mind, all pricing refers to '07 models.
Mustang GT Deluxe 5spd w/IUP, Upfitter's, AAT = $27,006(invoice) Shelby Upgrades+Gas Tax = $ 8,390 Ford Racing 500HP S/C kit from Shelby = $ 6,080 Subtotal = $41,476 Rebates, Swap cash, College disc., Aged Inv. =-$4,500(If eligible for Ford plans) Total before labor for S/C =$36,976
Shelby CS8 conversion - 470HP
Mustang GT Deluxe 5spd w/IUP, SAB, AAT = $25,474 Shelby full Turn II kit = $12,600 Short shift kit = $260 3.73 gears = $199 Subtotal = $38,533 Rebates, Swap cash, College disc., Aged Inv. =-$4,500 Total before paint and labor = $34,033
Mustang GT-Supercharged - 500HP (X factor=No body kit, or brake upgrades)
Mustang GT Deluxe 5spd w/IUP, SAB, AAT, 18" FR Wheels = $26,279(invoice) Ford Racing 500HP S/C kit from Shelby = $6,080 FR Handling Pack = $1,200 3.73 gears = $199 Short shift kit = $260 FR X pipe = $139 Side scoops = $185 Subtotal = $34,342 Rebates, Swap cash, College disc., Aged Inv. =-$4,500 Total before labor for upgrade parts = $29,842
Shelby CS6 conversion - 350HP
Mustang V6 Deluxe 5spd w/IUP, ABS/TC, SAB, PDS, AAT = $20,666(invoice) Shelby Turn II full kit = $13,000 Short shift kit = $269 Subtotal = $33,935 Rebates, Swap cash, College disc., Aged Inv. =-$4,500 Total before paint and labor = $29,435
Mustang V6-Supercharged - 350HP (X Factor=No body kit, brake upgrade)
Mustang V6 Deluxe 5spd w/IUP, ABS/TC, SAB, PDS, AAT = $20,666(invoice) Paxton S/C from Shelby = $4,500 V6 FR Handling Pack = $1200 V6 FR Dual exhaust kit w/X pipe = $665 3.73 gears = $189 Short shift kit = $269 18" FR Wheels = $805(invoice) 7.5" T-Lok LSD = $220 Side scoops = $185 Subtotal = $28,699 Rebates, Swap cash, College disc., Aged Inv. =-$4,500 Total before labor for upgrade parts = $24,199
My goodness! I'm exhausted from this, but it paints a really easy to digest picture of cost estimate. Value is always in the eye of the beholder. Some may look at total HP/$ ratio, where others may look at overall collectability. Personally, 350HP is fine for me, never had anything that strong ever before. There will be things liked, and disliked, about each package I put together, I'm sure. Feedback is always strongly encouraged, so let me know how I did with everything!
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Eddy, that price I listed for the S/C Shelby GT looks pretty good IF you could get the X,Y, whatever, plan on it, so you could get the incentive money. If not, you'd be looking at about $7433 difference in price between it, and a CS8, or a whopping $11,634 difference from that S/C GT I configured. I don't know about most folks, but that at least makes me think twice(X two hundred...)about it. That last V6 I configured, looks like it would run about sticker for a stock GT, and has 350hp, but you get 150hp more for $5643 extra for the S/C GT. Comes out to $37.62/1hp in relation to those two cars. Haven't worked that out on the others, I'm tired of numbers right now, and pissed that the dealer hasn't called me back to tell me where I tier out for FMC...
Everybody - just buy what the hell you want!! Who gives a damn!!
Evidently the person who started this thread. That, however, does not mean that you have to read it. You are welcome to try a different thread or even a different forum. You might consider this one http://priuschat.com/
Are you trying to suggest that I switch to your favorite Prius forum? No thanks man, you can read about those all you want!!
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Eddy, that price I listed for the S/C Shelby GT looks pretty good IF you could get the X,Y, whatever, plan on it, so you could get the incentive money. If not, you'd be looking at about $7433 difference in price between it, and a CS8, or a whopping $11,634 difference from that S/C GT I configured. I don't know about most folks, but that at least makes me think twice(X two hundred...)about it. That last V6 I configured, looks like it would run about sticker for a stock GT, and has 350hp, but you get 150hp more for $5643 extra for the S/C GT. Comes out to $37.62/1hp in relation to those two cars. Haven't worked that out on the others, I'm tired of numbers right now, and pissed that the dealer hasn't called me back to tell me where I tier out for FMC...
Just boils down to what package you want. Those other packages just don't have the appeal as the "Shelby GT Package" even though though the others can be had for less money ect.. It's just going to depend on your end result of what you want in a package.
There are so many different ways you can go as far as what you want on your car or bolted on your car but, It's just numbers. I appreciate you sharing those numbers and they have good points on cost and such. But when you find what you want, no matter how much it is and no matter what others may think, in the end, it's your money and your decision.
It does not matter if it's 320hp or 500hp. It's the complete package that i was looking for and Shelby fit nicely, For me anyway.
Long gone are the day's of my ego is bigger than yours because i have 500hp and you don't it, does not matter. There will always be someone faster, someone flashier, someone lower, ect...
Since it would a purchase that i was going to live with maybe 5-10 years or longer, my decision would not be based on price (Unless money is tight anyway) but the happiness my Shelby, Saleen, Roush, CS6, ect.. was going to give me. Have you ever been in a situation where you got something and then later on down the road you said, Hmm, I wish i had got that instead or maybe i should of did that? Exactly..........
If cost is a factor, do the best you can with what you have. If cost is not a factor, Buy what you really want and have no regrets.
Yeah, cost is a big factor right now. Plus, I'd be way more inclined to get a low number Shelby GT, like one of the first 100 out of SAI. That would definitely sway me more. That being said, with the '09 refresh on the way, I don't know if getting an '09 Shelby GT would be better, even though I love the fact it comes in Vista blue now. Again, I'm not knocking anyone who paid more than MSRP on these, like the old saying goes, "you can't take it with you!". If I had a lot more disposable income, I'd probably still dissect this anyway, just how I am... I'd really like to see how any of the SGT owners that have S/Cd their rides feel now that it's done and paid for. That, and the CS8 with the FR 500HP S/C instead of the Paxton, Shelby named cars with a true 500HP rating. Sure makes the GT500 seem like an exercise in futility... Gotta love those slanted headlights, though!
Yeah, cost is a big factor right now. Plus, I'd be way more inclined to get a low number Shelby GT, like one of the first 100 out of SAI. That would definitely sway me more. That being said, with the '09 refresh on the way, I don't know if getting an '09 Shelby GT would be better, even though I love the fact it comes in Vista blue now. Again, I'm not knocking anyone who paid more than MSRP on these, like the old saying goes, "you can't take it with you!". If I had a lot more disposable income, I'd probably still dissect this anyway, just how I am... I'd really like to see how any of the SGT owners that have S/Cd their rides feel now that it's done and paid for. That, and the CS8 with the FR 500HP S/C instead of the Paxton, Shelby named cars with a true 500HP rating. Sure makes the GT500 seem like an exercise in futility... Gotta love those slanted headlights, though!
There should be no '09 Shelby GT's, only '07's and '08's. Shelby has always said that they will make less than 10,000 of these to ensure collector status. Approx. 5700 were made in '07, so '08 should be it. Low number or high number won't make a difference.
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Shelby CS8 conversion - 470HP (X factor=No CAI w/tuner included?) Shelby CS6 conversion - 350HP (X factor=No CAI w/tuner included?)
The CAI is included as part of the supercharger kit. It comes with a Predator tuner and safe tune. Unfortunately, because it is a Predator tuner, most tuner shops won't touch it, so you would probably have to replace the tuner to get it dyno tuned.
(note: this is an older picture, turns out the MAF was in installed in the wrong location. It should go right after the air filter which requires splicing the MAF wires as they aren't long enough to reach.)
My 2 cents is that had I known the Shelby was going to make a SGT (it was announced about 2 weeks after I ordered the base car) and that the 08's were going to be Vista Blue and Silver, I would have held off and ordered an 08 SGT. Not that I am unhappy with my end result, just there would have been a lot less drama and work (and expense) involved in ordering it already built from the dealer.
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Yeah, cost is a big factor right now. Plus, I'd be way more inclined to get a low number Shelby GT, like one of the first 100 out of SAI. That would definitely sway me more. That being said, with the '09 refresh on the way, I don't know if getting an '09 Shelby GT would be better, even though I love the fact it comes in Vista blue now. Again, I'm not knocking anyone who paid more than MSRP on these, like the old saying goes, "you can't take it with you!". If I had a lot more disposable income, I'd probably still dissect this anyway, just how I am... I'd really like to see how any of the SGT owners that have S/Cd their rides feel now that it's done and paid for. That, and the CS8 with the FR 500HP S/C instead of the Paxton, Shelby named cars with a true 500HP rating. Sure makes the GT500 seem like an exercise in futility... Gotta love those slanted headlights, though!
There should be no '09 Shelby GT's, only '07's and '08's. Shelby has always said that they will make less than 10,000 of these to ensure collector status. Approx. 5700 were made in '07, so '08 should be it. Low number or high number won't make a difference.
I was thinking about going with the FR 500HP S/C kit, and smaller 18" Razors, if I did a CS8 build. More power, better ride, seems like the way to go. Has anyone ever seen a CS8 on the street? Besides the one Hillbank built, that is. The CAI/tuner that comes with the Shelby/Paxton S/C, how does it compare with the FRPP that comes with the FR 500HP S/C kit? By the way, I called the folks over at MRT last week, and asked when they would finally be releasing their V6 turbo kit for mail order. They said they hoped to have it out before the end of the year, so that gives them a couple of months. You can give them your car, and they'll do it in house, but I'm not sure I want to drive, or ship the car, all the way from AR to MI... I know Powerhouse 411 makes a kit now, I'm just thinking the MRT guys may have more insight into the car, seeing as how their founder was a Mustang project engineer. Don't know the history of the Powerhouse guys, but no offense is meant to them in the slightest. Also don't know too much about the Helion kits, so any feedback on the choices for turbos out there would be appreciated, as always.
I was thinking about going with the FR 500HP S/C kit, and smaller 18" Razors, if I did a CS8 build. More power, better ride, seems like the way to go. Has anyone ever seen a CS8 on the street? Besides the one Hillbank built, that is. The CAI/tuner that comes with the Shelby/Paxton S/C, how does it compare with the FRPP that comes with the FR 500HP S/C kit? By the way, I called the folks over at MRT last week, and asked when they would finally be releasing their V6 turbo kit for mail order. They said they hoped to have it out before the end of the year, so that gives them a couple of months. You can give them your car, and they'll do it in house, but I'm not sure I want to drive, or ship the car, all the way from AR to MI... I know Powerhouse 411 makes a kit now, I'm just thinking the MRT guys may have more insight into the car, seeing as how their founder was a Mustang project engineer. Don't know the history of the Powerhouse guys, but no offense is meant to them in the slightest. Also don't know too much about the Helion kits, so any feedback on the choices for turbos out there would be appreciated, as always.
If you build a CS8 with a different SC, you will have to do a stage 1 as Shelby will not certify it complete without a Paxton even if it is a Ford kit (which may not matter to you). That's just the way they do things. You may run into issues with a roots/whipple supercharger clearing the CS8 hood. The hood is thick top to bottom and may not clear the top of the supercharger. Someone tried to put a Roushcharger and it wouldn't clear. The 18 inch wheels won't fit over the 14 inch Shelby supplied Baer brakes.
I don't know anything about the MRT turbo. I do know about the Powerhouse. Todd (Rygen) at the **** has run 10.9 on a Powerhouse turbo V6.
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Does anyone know if the Shelby package for the SGT went up in price for the '08 models? There's a window sticker for one on Ebay that shows $9500. I could have sworn it was $8390, including the gas tax, for '07. Was that wrong, or does it vary from car to car??? That seems highly unlikely, but you never know... I'm definitely starting to dig the Vista SGT.
Does anyone know if the Shelby package for the SGT went up in price for the '08 models? There's a window sticker for one on Ebay that shows $9500. I could have sworn it was $8390, including the gas tax, for '07. Was that wrong, or does it vary from car to car??? That seems highly unlikely, but you never know... I'm definitely starting to dig the Vista SGT.
Those dirty sons of... Was I right about the cost from the '07? If not, please let me know. I'm going to call Whipple tomorrow, and ask them if they've started to work on the fabled 4.0 kit yet. If they need a test mule, I'd be more than happy to work that out with them! I was able to locate a Perf. White GT Deluxe w/Dk. Charcoal interior, and it has the IUP-SAB-SAT-18"-Lthr-Wheel locks. The only thing, is that it's a 5spd, and I've been seeing on here how a lot of people are getting tired of rowing gears in stop and go traffic. IF Ford is still giving away the A/T on the GT models, it really doesn't make any sense to me to get a manual. There's a Torch Premium w/comfort group really close to me, but they've put a bunch of aftermarket stuff on it already, in an attempt to mark it way up. Does anyone have any experience with having dealerships remove excess crap they didn't want? If I can get it at the original invoice, it won't be a bad deal at all. I'll probably wait until I get a solid answer from Whipple regarding the 4.0, before I move on either of those GTs.
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Keep in mind, all pricing refers to '07 models. 
I'd really like to see how any of the SGT owners that have S/Cd their rides feel now that it's done and paid for. That, and the CS8 with the FR 500HP S/C instead of the Paxton, Shelby named cars with a true 500HP rating. Sure makes the GT500 seem like an exercise in futility...
Gotta love those slanted headlights, though!
