Hey guys,

Haven't noticed any new posts over in the Shelby S197 forums lately, so I figured I'd post this here, where it could get an answer. What do you think about me going the CS6 conversion route, over getting a Shelby GT, even if it was at sticker? The reason I ask, is because it looks like the wife and I can get a hold of an '07 Vista V6 Deluxe(Those of you who have followed some of my posts know why I'm so determined to get the deluxe over the premium...), for an out the door price of $19,950. That's AFTER the negative equity from the Accord we're trading in is factored in. I opted to go with the 2.9% APR, instead of the additional $1500-$2000 in rebates. Saves more in the long run if you are like me, and have average credit...[8D]Anyway, if you add the $12,999 that Shelby is listing the Stage II full conversion package at, then you come up with $32,949. Not sure how much the paint and installation would cost, but give it a conservative estimate of an extra $2000. So, that would be $34,949. I'm hoping that maybe my dealer can work with me, and get the kit at cost, so that the $12,999 would include all the paint and installation, we'll see what I can do. Back to the point. A Shelby GT runs anywhere between $36-$38k at sticker, if I'm not mistaken? Plus, you'd have to hope you could even GET one at sticker. Let's go right down the middle, at $37k. We're looking at a price difference of $4051 if I can get the stuff for the CS6 put on with a dealer hookup, or $2051 with that earlier estimate. Again, assuming you can get the Shelby GT at sticker. CS6 has 350hp, Shelby GT has 320hp. CS6=20" Razors, Shelby GT=18" Bullits. Both true Shelby cars. Bottom line, based off cost comparison, with the X factor being that I've NEVER seen a CS6 on the road, but have seen several Shelby GTs, why would anybody NOT get the CS6 instead? Cheaper insurance, faster, more rare, seems like an all around no brainer. Let's see what the general consensus is, fire away!:D

cs6 all the way. let people know what these sixers can do!

I think your opinion may be a little biased, perhaps???[sm=lol.gif]Just from a logical standpoint, numbers on the paper, black and white, so to speak. What I'm waiting for, is for some of the GT guys to find a reason to knock this down...;)Statistically, it makes all the right sense. I'm just wondering if there would be any reason at all, that makes sense, why this would not be the best way to go. And, just to get this out of the way, I am in no way trying to offend anyone who bought a Shelby GT. Especially those who paid over sticker. My condolences...[8D]

Shelby GT is V8
CS6 is a V6
Shelby GT is a REAL Shelby
CS6 is not
With the Shelby GT you can send it to shelby autos and have them install a supercharger, headers, exhaust, wheels, etc. and still maintain 100% shelby status

CS6 you put all parts on yourself, and is not registered with shelby, and has no CSM number. You would still only have a V6 delux w/ CS6 package.

Shelby GT you would get your moneys worth when selling the car (will not depreciate like regular GT's or V6's)

why spend 34k on a kit + v6 when it will not be a REAL shelby, when you can spend 4k more and have a REAL shelby, and a V8.

btw just for the record.

I have a 2007 V6
and in the spring I'm buying a 2008Shelby GT.

I have followed all of your posts - I have it set so that when you post I get an email alert - and am wishing you the best! Keep us in the loop!

Why did you choose "Not to Disclose your Profile"? What are you hiding? :eek:

If you can afford the V8, get it, even if it's just a GT and not the ShelbyGT. If you get the V6 you'll probably end up regretting it no matter how fast you make it.

(no offence 6ers.)

Ok Dennis, I see your point. I checked around, and Amy from SAI did say that you don't get a registry number. So, I guess that's a strike against it! Found an honest to goodness point deduction...;)I guess that would place a CS6/CS8 in GT500 territory then? Both Shelby enhanced, but not "True" Shelby cars, because they weren't built by SAI. Still, I would think the value of a CS6/CS8 would be worth more than the normal KBB/NADA values for stockers. If not to a dealer, definitely to a private buyer.

Side note- Using the logic from this arguement, a S/C Shelby GT would be cheaper, almost as fast, and a TRUE Shelby, compared to the GT500. Hmmmmm.... What do you guys/gals think about that?

I wonder if the Shelby community of owners/collectors would welcome CS6/CS8 owners, or shun them??? Don't know if I want to spend money to belong to a group, just to have them not acknowledge me when I get there...[:@]

ORIGINAL: Dennis074.0

Shelby GT is V8
CS6 is a V6
Shelby GT is a REAL Shelby
CS6 is not
With the Shelby GT you can send it to shelby autos and have them install a supercharger, headers, exhaust, wheels, etc. and still maintain 100% shelby status

CS6 you put all parts on yourself, and is not registered with shelby, and has no CSM number. You would still only have a V6 delux w/ CS6 package.

Shelby GT you would get your moneys worth when selling the car (will not depreciate like regular GT's or V6's)

why spend 34k on a kit + v6 when it will not be a REAL shelby, when you can spend 4k more and have a REAL shelby, and a V8.


According to what Carol Shelby says.....the CS6 IS a REAL CAROL SHELBY, hince the name CS6. Check out what he said;

http://www.shelbyautos.com/cs6.asp

Hey rogan,

If that was for me, I'm not sure I even knew at the time I set up, that I had done that![&:]I'll have to change that while it's on my mind. I'm trying to stay creative, and make up for not finishing my import project when I was in Japan. Need to stay on a "reasonable" budget, though...

Rev,

I've only driven an A/T GT, and then a 5spd V6. I'd be interested to hear from folks who have gone from stock GTs to S/C or T/C V6s, so I could find out for sure which would be more fun on limited funds. Seems like a FI V6 would cost about the same as a comparably equipped GT. Could be wrong, though...

yeah the shelby is a REAL shelby but your paying for the name. you might as well get a GT and supercharge it and be way happier with it. it all depends on taste but im not paying 38k just for a name. im not knocking shelby, they are great looking cars but they are not worth 10k more just for CAI, tune, and exaust. yeah it might hold its value better but i would rather get a gt or a v6 and customize it to what i exactly want. jmo. btw dennis gotta let us know how it is. i was looking at one at the dealership and it looked nice.

I wonder why they don't give you a dash plaque then, if Mr. Shelby himself says it's a real Shelby... Has anyone fought this battle with SAI already??? And, from what I understand, the only reason SAI didn't build them back then, is because of the Shelby GT, and GT500 production. I called the other day, and they said they are now backed up because of the Super Snake, and KR production. You would think that since GT500 owners are by far the minority of Mustang owners, that the CS6/CS8 should have been given higher priority, and been built right there at SAI. Plus, Shelby dealers are doing the conversion, like Hillbank, so I would think that would hold some weight with SAI, as far as official recognition goes.

One more thing. The Shelby GT has "Powered by Ford" logos on it. So, in essence, Shelby is putting Ford Racing parts on a car FOR you, and then calling it one of theirs. That's Cameron's arguement, and I see his point. I always thought the true nature of a Shelby, was when it had things you absolutely had to get from them(Besides the dash plaque...)to call it a Shelby. It seems that now, all SAI has to do is turn a wrench or two, no matter where the parts are from, and then it's authentic. How does everyone feel about that?

Either way they are both slow for the amount of money you pay. I vote neither.

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

Side note- Using the logic from this arguement, a S/C Shelby GT would be cheaper, almost as fast, and a TRUE Shelby, compared to the GT500. Hmmmmm.... What do you guys/gals think about that?



A supercharged mustang GT can be faster than a stock GT500, but the GT500 has way more potential due to forged internals and more displacement, but for the price it's just not worth getting either. Stock mustang GT $26,500, whipple HO supercharger $5,700, install for supercharger $0, do it yourself it's freaking easy, Showing your tail lights to the fat old guy in the stock GT500, priceless!

There is a fat old guy with a GT500 in my little hick town, helooks like santa claus, no bull****, but i've yet to line up next to him.SantaClaus if you're reading this(red gt500 with white stripes) prepare yourself for the asswhoopin you are about to receive.:D

Dammit, Moose!:DYou're going to push me the other way over the fence... I had already been weighing that against the "prestige" of having a Shelby car. I spent a LOOOOOONG time this week looking into the Paxton's, Vortech's, and ProCharger setups. Even thinking about the Powerhouse 411 setup. Basically, I'm putting a fully custom project up against a Shelby kit, if I go with the CS6/CS8. If I go with the Shelby GT, it'll have the official Shelby registry going for it, but I'll always know I paid too much for the parts within. It's that conflict that I'm trying to reconcile. Gimmie a minute, and I'll put some raw numbers up for comparison, after I get some food in my stomach...:D

I think the OP has already made up his mind.....? My Dad's got the Shelby GT, and loves it. Pictures do the car no justice. It has a wonderful sound and while its not the fastest thing on wheels, its pretty quick. Handles like it is absolutely on rails.If I had the cash, which I dont ( two Kids, a Wife, 3 dogs, 2 Horses, Stupid mortgage, Fox Body in pieces, HD, etc, etc,) and had to make the decision betweenthe kit car and a SGT, it would be the 8 hands down. I have been a Mustang Fan forever, and the Shelby GT looks true to form and true to its heritage. Plus, in stock form they are SCCA ready. Polo = Road Course> Drag Strip.CS-6 is a unique car in its own right.Bet its a monster on a road course, too?Tough decision you got there....;)Which one really kicks ya in tha britches?

Either way they are both slow for the amount of money you pay. I vote neither.

I would have to vote the same way. I've thought for a long time that Shelby was just whoring his name out to bring in the cash.
Unless collectibility is your thing then the Shelby GT is vastly overpriced for what it is.
For the CS6, while it looks good, they are forcing you to put the Paxton SC on it, which personally wouldn't be at the top of my forced induction list.
Really it all depends on what you are going for. Personally I would rather take a base model and put the mods on that I want. Costs less, more performance, and I am all about track et's.

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

Side note- Using the logic from this arguement, a S/C Shelby GT would be cheaper, almost as fast, and a TRUE Shelby, compared to the GT500. Hmmmmm.... What do you guys/gals think about that?



A supercharged mustang GT can be faster than a stock GT500, but the GT500 has way more potential due to forged internals and more displacement, but for the price it's just not worth getting either. Stock mustang GT $26,500, whipple HO supercharger $5,700, install for supercharger $0, do it yourself it's freaking easy, Showing your tail lights to the fat old guy in the stock GT500, priceless!

There is a fat old guy with a GT500 in my little hick town, helooks like santa claus, no bull****, but i've yet to line up next to him.SantaClaus if you're reading this(red gt500 with white stripes) prepare yourself for the asswhoopin you are about to receive.:D

I cannot believe you are going to whoop Santa Clause. Thats just wrong....

You haven't gotten that thing in the 10's yet? I don't see the shelby GT being much of a collectors item. It's just a body kit for crying out loud. The GT500 might be worth something someday, but it's never going to pull in200 times it's original value like a 1963 shelby cobra.;)

ORIGINAL: Buckman

Either way they are both slow for the amount of money you pay. I vote neither.

I would have to vote the same way. I've thought for a long time that Shelby was just whoring his name out to bring in the cash.
Unless collectibility is your thing then the Shelby GT is vastly overpriced for what it is.
For the CS6, while it looks good, they are forcing you to put the Paxton SC on it, which personally wouldn't be at the top of my forced induction list.
Really it all depends on what you are going for. Personally I would rather take a base model and put the mods on that I want. Costs less, more performance, and I am all about track et's.

I think the CS6 is a more unique Mustang. A Shelby GT in my opinion is a glorified GT. I think I'd rather have a CS6 over a Shelby GT.

ORIGINAL: PolozLX

I cannot believe you are going to whoop Santa Clause. Thats just wrong....


I hope no small children are reading this. He really does look like Santa, i got a good look at him as he was going through the burger king drive-thru. He looked uncomfortable in that car.:eek:

You gotta figure Santa would need a fast car since his slay flies at the speed of light.

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

Side note- Using the logic from this arguement, a S/C Shelby GT would be cheaper, almost as fast, and a TRUE Shelby, compared to the GT500. Hmmmmm.... What do you guys/gals think about that?



A supercharged mustang GT can be faster than a stock GT500, but the GT500 has way more potential due to forged internals and more displacement, but for the price it's just not worth getting either. Stock mustang GT $26,500, whipple HO supercharger $5,700, install for supercharger $0, do it yourself it's freaking easy, Showing your tail lights to the fat old guy in the stock GT500, priceless!

There is a fat old guy with a GT500 in my little hick town, helooks like santa claus, no bull****, but i've yet to line up next to him.SantaClaus if you're reading this(red gt500 with white stripes) prepare yourself for the asswhoopin you are about to receive.:D


Dude, There is a guy around me that looks EXACTLY like santa clause and drives a RED gt500 with white stripes. Im in FOrt myers and im begginging to think it is the same guy. I alread put about 4 cars on him from a light, followed by a flyby and the finger.

ORIGINAL: ohsixgt1217

Dude, There is a guy around me that looks EXACTLY like santa clause and drives a RED gt500 with white stripes. Im in FOrt myers and im begginging to think it is the same guy. I alread put about 4 cars on him from a light, followed by a flyby and the finger.


I doubt he's driving back and forth between Ft. Myers and Palatka, Fl, but you never know. I've seen this guy twice in Palatka. There's a black one around here as well. You should not beflipping off Santa Claus, just think of the consequences.

LOL the hselby forum gets no love so we continue to bash the price gouging right here in the main forum.Woot gotta love it:D


I havnt SC'd(cantwait the sooner the better)yet and am already faster than the Shelby-GT, but it's not about speed when it comes to a shelby its about the name sticthed on your ass pocket ;)

See, what A said up top is what made me consider this in the first place. The CS6 is way more unique AND attainable, than any other Shelby badged car. Dash plaque, or not, it is called a Shelby car, so that would mean something in certain circles. I know I could put together a custom car, with all my own parts choices, for less, but if I ever decided to shift gears and sell it, I'm just not sure it would bring as much as even a CS6, nevermind a Shelby GT w/ or w/o FI. Just got back from lunch, so I'll get that price comparison up asap...

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

See, what A said up top is what made me consider this in the first place. The CS6 is way more unique AND attainable, than any other Shelby badged car. Dash plaque, or not, it is called a Shelby car, so that would mean something in certain circles. I know I could put together a custom car, with all my own parts choices, for less, but if I ever decided to shift gears and sell it, I'm just not sure it would bring as much as even a CS6, nevermind a Shelby GT w/ or w/o FI. Just got back from lunch, so I'll get that price comparison up asap...


There has been talk and continues to be talk about offering a dash plaque with the CS6/CS8 kit but nothing concrete yet. Last heard was if it was it would be available it would only be available if your purchased the full 'Turn1" or "Turn 2" kit but this plaque would also not have a CSM number. My guess is it would either be the same as the one with Caroll's autograph on it from his foundation that you can buy or something similar.

You could also just purchase the appearance stuff from the kit,(Hood, Fascia, Rims, etc. etc.) and put them on a GT. Build your suspension and drivetrain the way you want with the parts you want.

Shelby bs. Just a reworked regular old gt;gears,minimal exterior body add ons, cheap ford racing cai, cheap for tuning, prm. octane upgrade, gtas.Shelby gt won't be a collector's item. All ford did was confuse people. When you tell people you got a new shelby, there gonna be looking for the gt500, not the shelby(regular old gt). Just some old man looking to make some money off his name. Hey you think maybe the roush stage 1 will be a collector's item? Haha. Anyone looking into a shelby gt, just get a regulaer gt, save a lot of money and do some proper mods.Just get a gt and you'll be happy with it.

ORIGINAL: brad281

Shelby bs. Just a reworked regular old gt;gears,minimal exterior body add ons, cheap ford racing cai, cheap for tuning, prm. octane upgrade, gtas.Shelby gt won't be a collector's item. All ford did was confuse people. When you tell people you got a new shelby, there gonna be looking for the gt500, not the shelby(regular old gt). Just some old man looking to make some money off his name. Hey you think maybe the roush stage 1 will be a collector's item? Haha. Anyone looking into a shelby gt, just get a regulaer gt, save a lot of money and do some proper mods.Just get a gt and you'll be happy with it.


The FRPP CAI is the steeda CAI w/o the intake tube so quality is still there, for the most part FRPP parts are good quality parts although sometimes a bit over priced. The Shelbygt DOES go through SAI before being delivered but the GT500 is built at the ford factory and never see's SAI(except for maybe the SS packages but not sure)so go figure. As far as the sgt not being worth it I would say yes it's not worth the ADM but if offered below MSRP I would buy one.

ORIGINAL: Buckman

Either way they are both slow for the amount of money you pay. I vote neither.

I would have to vote the same way. I've thought for a long time that Shelby was just whoring his name out to bring in the cash.
Unless collectibility is your thing then the Shelby GT is vastly overpriced for what it is.
For the CS6, while it looks good, they are forcing you to put the Paxton SC on it, which personally wouldn't be at the top of my forced induction list.
Really it all depends on what you are going for. Personally I would rather take a base model and put the mods on that I want. Costs less, more performance, and I am all about track et's.



This is the best post of that thread so far...
Do it yourself from a base car and you'll have a unique Stang. You'll be cheaper than the Roushes,Saleen ,Steeda,Shelbys and all the other bullsh#ters out there selling their name. ;)

If you get a mustang gt and supercharge it, then for some reason you have to sell it just remove the supercharger and sell it seperate. You will definately lose money on the supercharger and possibly have a harder time selling it. You'll be in the same boat with a shelby supercharged v6, it ain't going to sell for what you paid, no where close, but you won't be able to remove that supercharger without problems.

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

See, what A said up top is what made me consider this in the first place. The CS6 is way more unique AND attainable, than any other Shelby badged car. Dash plaque, or not, it is called a Shelby car, so that would mean something in certain circles. I know I could put together a custom car, with all my own parts choices, for less, but if I ever decided to shift gears and sell it, I'm just not sure it would bring as much as even a CS6, nevermind a Shelby GT w/ or w/o FI. Just got back from lunch, so I'll get that price comparison up asap...

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/articles/uploads/gt101-640.jpg


http://www.shelbyforums.com/gallery/files/1/shelby_cs6_1024.jpg


the CS6 is way faster/way cooler.dont listen to the guys who buy cars and hope they get all the money back and then some. cars are not investments.

well I'm getting my SGT (brand new 2008 Coupe) for $29,000. I have drove both a SGT and a regular GT with some performance mods (exhaust, CAI + Tune) and the SGT is 100x better than the regular GT.
The SGT comes with your body mods, performance mods, etc. and you dont have to worry about voiding thewarranty, and any aftermarket part you want you can have shelby put on and still dont have to worry about a voided warranty.

The GT500 is a real shelby, although its not touched by SAI they do have CSM numbers and a registry.

At 29k I would buy one just not at 40k or 45k. Never said it didnt get a registry # just said it doesnt go to SAI which is BS in my book. If they are gonna charge thousands(30-40K in some cases) over MSRP then it should go thru Shelby and not just ford. Thats just another way to rape people imo.

I believe the shelbies are coming with 3.55 RE ratio vs the stock GT at 3.31 so that is some of what you felt I bet when testing the 2. The suspension is the FRPP handling pack(and psooibly more but not sure)which can be put on any mustang.

I'd go with the CS6 over the Shelby GT. The Gt is cool but the CS6 gives me the chills when i see it[8D]

I dunno, sounds like the OP wants the cheapest way to enter Shelby ownership. If you get a base V-6(Deluxe model), you don't get ABS/TCS, IUP, leather seats(sure these are all available, but at an additional cost[&o]).
I'd wait out until the end of Nov. and see what the '07 Shelby GTs are going for then(I've seen them at $35K for new ones).
Are you gonna be satisfied with a 350hp V-6? A $35K Shelby GT with a $4K Paxton will pull around 480-500 crank hp with a proper tune. Of course being a V-8 owner, I'm biased, but look at it inthe long run. Will you be happy with a performance model that has a six in it? Not knocking bent-six cars, but when a V-8 can lay down 400+ to the tires with a simple blower install, the V-6 concept looks a bit less interesting IMO.
Why not try to get as best of a deal on a '07 GT and convert it to CS8 status? I'm sure a $40K CS8 will be worth more than the extra $5K it costs initially over a CS6 in the future. JMHO, best of luck on whichever route you take:D.

Whew, this is a long thread with a lot of emotions (good and bad), assumptions (some correct, some way off), some biases, and some absolute,total BS.

"Anyway, if you add the $12,999 that Shelby is listing the Stage II (CS6) full conversion package at, then you come up with $32,949. Not sure how much the paint and installation would cost, but give it a conservative estimate of an extra $2000." Gtucker4

Unless you do most of the work yourself (andit would be a ton of work not including painting), labor costs are going to run way more than $2000. Not to mention another $700 for stripes (not including labor). Stripes are not included but are supplied after you prove to Shelby that the whole car is finished. So if your decision is based on cost analysis, just go findyourself aSGT and buy it. Now if you add the superchargerto the SGT and have it installed at Shelby, then the cost might be similar.

"CS6 has 350hp, Shelby GT has 320hp." Gtucker4

Based on the Dyno readings my car produces about 320-330 hp at the flywheel with the supplied pulley depending on the actual drivetrain loss ratio. Dropping another step down in pulley size should bring it to about 360-370hp.

"If you can afford the V8, get it, even if it's just a GT and not the ShelbyGT. If you get the V6 you'll probably end up regretting it no matter how fast you make it.
(no offence 6ers.) " Revlefty

No, I don't regret not having a V8 for an instant (and I could have bought one easily) and I DO TAKE OFFENSE. I can run circles around an non F/I stock GT. A F/I GT will beat mine in a drag race but then a slightly modified 03/04 Cobra will beatthat and a modified GT500 will beat that, which will then be beaten by highly modified .... So what's your point?

"..always thought the true nature of a Shelby, was when it had things you absolutely had to get from them(Besides the dash plaque...)" Gtucker4

The 68 1/2 - 70 Shelby's (along with the current GT500's) were made completely by Ford. I don't see anyone saying that they are not "true" Shelby's.

"Either way they are both slow for the amount of money you pay. I vote neither." Moosestang

If speed was the only criteria, we would all be driving Corvettes, including you.

"I don't see the shelby GT being much of a collectors item. It's just a body kit for crying out loud. The GT500 might be worth something someday, but it's never going to pull in200 times it's original value like a 1963 shelby cobra." Moosestang

And what were the 68-70 Shelby's? Mostly a body kit with a few suspension tweaks (sound familar). Youcould get the same engine choices ina Mach-1. And what are the comparablecost ofthem today,about 4times as much.

"Shelby GT looks true to form and true to its heritage. Plus, in stock form they are SCCA ready. Polo = Road Course> Drag Strip.CS-6 is a unique car in its own right.Bet its a monster on a road course, too?" PolozLX

Actually my car will out handle a SGT and has better brakes, but that comes at the cost of a much harsher ride.

"Shelby bs. Just a reworked regular old gt;gears,minimal exterior body add ons, cheap ford racing cai, cheap for tuning, prm. octane upgrade, gtas.Shelby gt won't be a collector's item. All ford did was confuse people. When you tell people you got a new shelby, there gonna be looking for the gt500, not the shelby(regular old gt). Just some old man looking to make some money off his name. Hey you think maybe the roush stage 1 will be a collector's item? Haha. Anyone looking into a shelby gt, just get a regulaer gt, save a lot of money and do some proper mods.Just get a gt and you'll be happy with it." Brad281

AsI said, some absolute, total BS.

"If you get a mustang gt and supercharge it, then for some reason you have to sell it just remove the supercharger and sell it seperate. You will definately lose money on the supercharger and possibly have a harder time selling it. You'll be in the same bought with a shelby supercharged v6, it ain't going to sell for what you paid, no where close, but you won't be able to remove that supercharger without problems." Moosestang

If I were to sell my carsome years down the road, I guarantee I will get a lot more return of my original cost than you will. How many 2005-2008 GTs are on the road? How many CS6's, currently maybe <20. And I would want to remove my supercharger, Why?

"dont listen to the guys who buy cars and hope they get all the money back and then some. cars are not investments." Tungstenstang

Very valid point, the bottom line is what do you want, performance, looks, some combination of the two? And how much do you want to pay? How much time and work do you want to invest? Buying a SGT off a dealer floor is a lot easier and less frustrating than having a CS6/8 built. The CS6/8 is more unique. My recommendation is to make a chart. Put the cars you are considering across the top and the factors (looks, cost, ease of purchase, straight line performance, handling, comfort, ride, driveability, color availability, etc) in purchasing down the side.Factor the importance in the columns for eachcar and then study the results tohelp you decidewhat you want.
Had I known back in 2006 that the 2008 SGT's were going to be Vista Blue and Silver, I would have waited and bought one of those simply for the much greater ease of obtaining one. However, now that I have the car, I have no regrets and enjoydriving it (strictly a weekend car). It is not a daily driver and has very low tolerance for bumpy roads and zero tolerance for potholes (something would probably break). It can't be started below 25 degrees F without an engine heater (voids the supercharger warranty). The tires I have are rated9 for dry handling, 8 for wet and 0 for snow. So if you are looking for a daily commuter you can scratch the CS6/8 right off your list.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l201/Paleoc/100_0972.jpg

Everybody - just buy what the hell you want!! Who gives a damn!!

[sm=icon_rofl.gif][sm=icon_rofl.gif][sm=icon_rofl.gif][sm=icon_rofl.gif][sm=icon_rofl.gif]




ORIGINAL: Dennis074.0

well I'm getting my SGT (brand new 2008 Coupe) for $29,000. I have drove both a SGT and a regular GT with some performance mods (exhaust, CAI + Tune) and the SGT is 100x better than the regular GT.
The SGT comes with your body mods, performance mods, etc. and you dont have to worry about voiding thewarranty, and any aftermarket part you want you can have shelby put on and still dont have to worry about a voided warranty.

The GT500 is a real shelby, although its not touched by SAI they do have CSM numbers and a registry.

Thoughtful, and informative post Paleoc. Didn't hurt that it's coming from a CS6 owner/operator either...[8D]Who else would know, better than someone who has been through it? I've followedyour project some, and it seems like you've done a little extra than the "normal" CS6 conversion. Since I posted earlier, I've been at the dealership, fighting to see what the best deal on the Vista V6 will be. We switched gears on them towards the end, and it looks like that will be MY car. She wants a Perf. White A/T w/Pony Package that I found, I'm trying to steer her towards a Torch one I found as well...:DNow that I have some down time, I'm gonna post the cost comparison here when I finish working on it, and that may help me, as well as others riding the fence, figure out which way I want to go. I'm sure I can put the body kit and wheels on myself, it's just the S/C I'm worried about. Luckily, I work at a school that has automotive technology and collision repair facilities, so labor is free!!! Paid them $100 to knock a dent out of my wife's car, and repaint the whole rear bumper. Not bad, I'd say!;)I may be able to get all the installation done at no cost, so if I can get the parts at a reasonable price, makes things a lot more interesting, doesn't it? How the heck are you getting your '08 SGT at $29K Dennis?!?!? Shouldn't you be able to pick up an '07 for less than that then? I'd definitely take a black one w/black bullits for that price, or less for an '07. Also, Paleoc may be able to answer this. Are you not allowed to order the Turn I or II kits, if you have any other color but Vista? There used to be a link to a black one, but it doesn't work anymore, and I think that owner changed some things, like you did. Will you get chastised by other Shelby owners if you go with an unconventional color scheme? Torch Red CS6 For-The-Win!!! All you guys'/(gals'?) feedback is always appreciated, and I'm happy to be a part of a thread that conjures up good dialogue.

P.S.- GO YANKS!!!! I'm one of Queens' finest, but grew up a Bomber fan. Born in '78, favorite mug growing up had that team on it. What do you think, Perf. White w/Navy pinstripes FTW...???[sm=smiley36.gif]

ORIGINAL: Paleoc


"Either way they are both slow for the amount of money you pay. I vote neither." Moosestang

If speed was the only criteria, we would all be driving Corvettes, including you.



The OP made it clear that speed was a big criteria. Why the **** are you talking about a $40k+ corvette?


"I don't see the shelby GT being much of a collectors item. It's just a body kit for crying out loud. The GT500 might be worth something someday, but it's never going to pull in200 times it's original value like a 1963 shelby cobra." Moosestang

And what were the 68-70 Shelby's? Mostly a body kit with a few suspension tweaks (sound familar). Youcould get the same engine choices ina Mach-1. And what are the comparablecost ofthem today,about 4times as much.



Of course they were, but they aren't pulling in $750,000 at auction now are they. Let's face it, the cars of today don't even compare to the cars they were building in 68. 90% of todays cars are freaking plastic.:eek:

I'm glad you like your CS6, it's a bit flashy for me and I have big white racing stripes, lol! Did they have to write shelby so big on the side stripes so people would know it's a shelby? Not for me brother.

Hmmmm, maybe I should write WHIPPLE across the side of my car in 6 inch tall letters. What does everyone think?:eek:

ORIGINAL: Dennis074.0

Shelby GT is V8
CS6 is a V6
Shelby GT is a REAL Shelby
CS6 is not
With the Shelby GT you can send it to shelby autos and have them install a supercharger, headers, exhaust, wheels, etc. and still maintain 100% shelby status

CS6 you put all parts on yourself, and is not registered with shelby, and has no CSM number. You would still only have a V6 delux w/ CS6 package.

Shelby GT you would get your moneys worth when selling the car (will not depreciate like regular GT's or V6's)

why spend 34k on a kit + v6 when it will not be a REAL shelby, when you can spend 4k more and have a REAL shelby, and a V8.


+1 - get the real deal and make it faster if you need to. you will be much happier with the way it holds value and attracts attention. (not so happy with attention from cops though) but get the gt for sure man.

Well, if I could get the same type of deal dennis is getting on his, I would pick up the Shelby GT for sure. I peeked at the window sticker on one earlier, when I was haggling with the dealer, and it was just over $31K! If I could get Dennis' deal, I'd S/C it for sure, and be at the same price as the CS6 conversion, like Paleoc said. I'm definitely wanting a daily driver, though. That being said, putting a lot of mileage on the Shelby, would it still hold it's value that much better than a GT with equal mileage? You know, if I could find a decent deal on an '06 GT Vista, the CS8 idea sounds pretty good. I'd think that would be a great balance. GT500 performance+Good cost/value ratio+Shelby endorsement+Pretty scarce-Official Shelby registry. 4 positives, 1 negative. God, I gotta get this comparison up, pronto!!![:@]

I get a.....special deal:Don the SGT or anyother car for that matter.

I can get an 07' for 29k or an 08' for 29k. I like the vista blue more so I'm holding off for it.

The CS6 could be converted in anycolor and silver cars get white stripes (or dark grey I cant remember). They can be done in stage 1 or stage2 (stage one is wheels, GT rear bumper, CS6 front bumper, CS6 hood, CS6 hood grille, CS6 grille, PIAA driving lights, GT spoiler, CS6 stripes, CS6 Dual exhaust).

I think the biggest difference between the SGT and regular GT is the short throw shifter, FRPP handling package, and exhaust. Those three things make the car great, and you dont have to worry about having a shop do them, or shopping for a good aftermarket brand or wait for it (once you buy the car, its all on).

and blueherdhow is my post funny?

Who buys a supped up V6 Mustang? Seems like such a waste of Shelby's time. I'm not dissing the 6er's out here who put turbos/SC's on themselves. I'm' just wondering what Shelby is thinking. What really confuses/upsets me is the CS6 looks better than the SGT. WTF is up with that? But there's no way I'd pay SGT money for a slightly faster V6.

I saw something about using the x plan(which I'm eligable for)on them if thats the case then ya they would be worth it. I refuse to pay msrp or adm's.

I've had my GT for about 5 months now, I have parts to go on it and parts that have been installed. I'm willing to bet I'd beat a stock sgt but who cares, personally I like the look ofmine better anyways especially when freshly polished:)

theres 6'ers running low 10's buddy. stop thinking the V8 was gods gift to automobiles.

ORIGINAL: Dennis074.0

theres 6'ers running low 10's buddy. stop thinking the V8 was gods gift to automobiles.


You mean there not?????[&:][8D]:D

ORIGINAL: Bmr4life

Who buys a supped up V6 Mustang? Seems like such a waste of Shelby's time. I'm not dissing the 6er's out here who put turbos/SC's on themselves. I'm' just wondering what Shelby is thinking.


No offence but...why do you care if someone buys a V6 or not or Shelby has a "kit" for V6 owners? The CS6 is a package that anyone can build themselves rather then buy a pre-built Shelby. Besides, how many "tuner" companies have complete kits for V6's? Currently I think SAI is the only one. Doesn't sound like a bad business choice not to mention the owners out there that have purchased some of these components for their GT's and such, myself included.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r281/GPStang06/CS8/July07-1.jpg

ORIGINAL: GPStang06

ORIGINAL: Bmr4life

Who buys a supped up V6 Mustang? Seems like such a waste of Shelby's time. I'm not dissing the 6er's out here who put turbos/SC's on themselves. I'm' just wondering what Shelby is thinking.


No offence but...why do you care if someone buys a V6 or not or Shelby has a "kit" for V6 owners? The CS6 is a package that anyone can build themselves rather then buy a pre-built Shelby. Besides, how many "tuner" companies have complete kits for V6's? Currently I think SAI is the only one. Doesn't sound like a bad business choice not to mention the owners out there that have purchased some of these components for their GT's and such, myself included.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r281/GPStang06/CS8/July07-1.jpg



I didn't word my initial statement properly. It should have really been, Who makes a supped up V6, as in what company would do that? Why would they do that? And if they were going to do that, at least have it make some serious power. Not just barely beat an SGT. I understand the CS6 is a kit, but you've only got one SC to chose from and its not the best out there.

ORIGINAL: Dennis074.0

theres 6'ers running low 10's buddy. stop thinking the V8 was gods gift to automobiles.


I'm sure a 6 can run the same time as an 8 due to traction limitations. But the 6 still won't be able to make the same POWER though. Whats the highest V6 stang motor putting out right now?

ORIGINAL: Bmr4life


I didn't word my initial statement properly. It should have really been, Who makes a supped up V6, as in what company would do that? Why would they do that? And if they were going to do that, at least have it make some serious power. Not just barely beat an SGT. I understand the CS6 is a kit, but you've only got one SC to chose from and its not the best out there.



Hmm, let me just say before my response that I am not tryign to ruffle you feathers, just enjoying a good debate ;)

Who makes a supped up V6, as in what company would do that?
Well SAI of course and others are starting to offer maybe not full kits but a lot more components for V6's including Steeda.

Why would they do that?
Money!;) There is a market for it. I don't have official numbers but I can say from just driving around on South Florida, V6 Mustangs out number GT's. I can understand the arguement though "Why would an enthusiast by a V6"? There are a lot of reasons that could be true. I personally rather have a V8 but I "different strokes for different folks", whatever makes them happy and it's their money.

And if they were going to do that, at least have it make some serious power. Not just barely beat an SGT.
OK, well power is subjective. What is offered by SAI for the V6 (Paxton SC) is what they use. So it's not the fastest or makes the most power...so what? Mind you also the SGT itself was not built for speed. Amy B has been quoted many time as stating the SGT's nitch is more handling then power (the stock SGT without any addons). If someone sat down and wanted to by a Mustang with the intentions of running the 1/4 mile a lot and wanted a car built for it....the CS6 full kit is not for them. Oh yea....their is always someone faster. Another example is me. My car above is a regular GT but it has an SC under the hood....A Roushcharger. I get asked all the time and ribber quite a bit as to why I have a Roush, it doesn't produce enough power, it's not efficiant, it's the smallest with no expandabilty, etc etc. It amazes me how people always have a comment about it because it doesn't fit "their" needs never one thinking for a second that it's on my car and fits my needs.

I understand the CS6 is a kit, but you've only got one SC to chose from and its not the best out there.
Not true, the Paxton is what comes with the "Turn 2" kits but why couldn't you put something else on it?. If you want to build a CS8 why not put a Whipple on it, in fact unless they changed it SAI sells The FRPP version of the Whipple. My point is the CS6/8 cars are not "official Shelby's meaning they won't be in the Registry so what value are you hurting. Yea you may hurt future value of an SGT if you plan on rolling over to Barret Jackson in 30 years but not a CS6/8 kit. It's a kit to build your own Shelby, built to how you want.

And the debate continues :D

Hey Dennis, you wouldn't happen to know what the invoice cost of the Shelby conversion is, would you? That special price you are getting for yours looks to be about invoice minus rebates for the car, and Shelby cost of $7390, no $1000 gas tax included. Sound about right???;)I would gather then, that NOBODY gets Shelby's parts cost for the cars, no matter who they know. Care to clarify? Oh, and does anyone know if the money that discounts the A/T will be back, or if it's still secretly there? Just curious, as the A/Ts resale will be better. If you can get it for free, why the hell not?

I had a feeling this was gonna turn into a V-8 vs V-6 debate(is there any other way considering the two cars being mentioned?:D).
Of course it makes sense for SAI to offer a kit for V-6 owners, the V-6 is what, 65% of all Mustang sales? Very easy decision for an aftermarket company to make. The only caveat is that most V-6 owners most likely aren't as affluent as the average V-8(including the GT500) owners. Before anyone with a bent-six gets bent over this comment, I am very much aware that owners of non V-8 cars on this site(and others like this one) are hardcore Mustang fans as much as the V-8 people(maybe more) are, but I'm very sure the average V-6(or for that matter V-8) owner doesn't belong to a Mustang car club or web site and that's reflective in the eyes of SEMA companies. If someone can pluck down $30+ large for a GT & up model, they (based on studies) can pluck down some more to enhance their cars. Why do you think most V-8 owners are in the 35+ age range? More income, more disposable income and more likely to part with it to fix what Ford won't(better brakes/more hp/better handling).
With that said, it takes quite a character(I say that sincerely;)) to tackle the task of making a smaller engined, less aftermarket supported, less stout drive-trainequipped V-6 car into a giant killer vs buying a V-8 car and having an endless plethora of choices to make building something very fasta snap. Kudos to those who are brave to roam against the grain. Different strokes for different folks and that's the beauty of living in a country where these choices can be made and executed.
A Mustang is a Mustang no matter what's under the hood, I work very hard for my money(as I'm sure all of us do) and my choice is a Mustang I have yearned for for over 25 years, a GT, anything less(displacement-wise) wasn't an option(I considered a V-6 when the S197s debuted, but that was as short a thought as any I've ever had once I realized why I was considering a Mustang in the first place).
CS6, CS8, Shelby GT, all very nice rides, but IMO only a V-8 would suffice, but then again, I'm not being paid to give advice[8D]. I say, whatever you truly desire andwill be happy to own and lavish time and money on, as long as it's a Mustang, you can't lose......................

I dont care if my engine is as big as yours, fast as yours, loud as yours. I still get laid at the end of the day.

Easy question, this time. Aimed at Paleoc, but others that know can feel free to answer. The wheels that come on the Turn I/II kit, do they already come with tires? And if so, what kind? I swear, I'll get that price comparison up, but probably not right now(1a.m.). Also, I'm trying to compare the Eibach pro Vs. FR handling pack for the V6. Prices are really close, but I'm sure someone will throw a wild card choice out there. Just make sure to state why, please!:DI'll check back with you all later in the day...[sm=thanx.gif]

ORIGINAL: Bmr4life

ORIGINAL: Dennis074.0

theres 6'ers running low 10's buddy. stop thinking the V8 was gods gift to automobiles.


I'm sure a 6 can run the same time as an 8 due to traction limitations. But the 6 still won't be able to make the same POWER though. Whats the highest V6 stang motor putting out right now?



let me put it this way....way WAY WAY more power than you are putting down. if you wanna talk built blocks there are 10's, if you want stock block almost 10's Buckman ran a what...11.02 on the stock block? fazm runnin low LOW 12's could be in the 11's pretty easily... Take a look around, there are quite a few ways to make a v6 considerably faster than a gt for the same amount of money. this is not for most people of course, but it happens fairly often. go check out the 4.0 section and look at my 1/4 mile times thread in the stickies. Those aren't nearly all the times, but scroll down and take a look at some of them.

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

Easy question, this time. Aimed at Paleoc, but others that know can feel free to answer. The wheels that come on the Turn I/II kit, do they already come with tires? And if so, what kind? I swear, I'll get that price comparison up, but probably not right now(1a.m.). Also, I'm trying to compare the Eibach pro Vs. FR handling pack for the V6. Prices are really close, but I'm sure someone will throw a wild card choice out there. Just make sure to state why, please!:DI'll check back with you all later in the day...[sm=thanx.gif]


Tires are not included in the price of the Kit gTucker. Something else you can do also with the CS6 that you can't with a SGT. You don't have to buy the parts from SAI. Sure you would the Shelby components from SAI or a Shelby dealer like Hillbank but other sell the rims, the suspension stuff, etc etc. Remember, it's not going to be in the registry.

ORIGINAL: ChrisRod

I dont care if my engine is as big as yours, fast as yours, loud as yours. I still get laid at the end of the day.


LOL! At least there are some people out there that get it, I mean "get it" as in understand. LOL

Thanks GPS. I was pricing before I passed out this morning, and saw that the only part of the CS6 that's overpriced to me, is the front end. The fascia's a little expensive when compared with others, but that's really about it. Well, maybe the hood too, just a little bit. PLEASE tell me why companies make all these non functional products...[sm=smiley7.gif]It looks like after all the hardware in the Turn 1 kit, you're paying about $1700 for decals, so that's kind of steep too, although you would figure the Shelby name alone would command a premium. Guess I'm still on the fence about that one... When I get back from my son's football game, I'll post what I stayed up all night working out, and see what the court of public opinion thinks.

P.S.- Oh no! We're in the Shelby section now, this thread is doomed!!!!:D

ORIGINAL: ilmor

Everybody - just buy what the hell you want!! Who gives a damn!!




LOL:D

Welcome to the spin zone thread.............

Its just to funny. Same thread as the other's only worded just a tad different......;)

Wheels do not come with the tires. Also due to the bigger brakes (20 inch wheels were necessary to clear the brakes), your donut spare is rendered useless. I bought an extra wheel and tire as a spare or you could go with a inflation kit as in the GT500. Your car can be any color. With a silver or grey car you get dark grey stripes instead of silver.

A fewof the aftermarket parts were necessary. The stock driveshaft(and to a lesser extentthe one on the GT) is a heavy, total POS and will come apart explosively at high speed (which is why stock, it is speed limited to 112mph) so replacing it is a safety issue.

Shelby has always been more about road courses rather than the dragstrip. The early GT350's (the ones that are in heavier demand) weren't all that impressive on the dragstrip but were built for handling. Shelby got to try one equipped with a Paxton (and sold them for the GT350's) and he has stuck with Paxton ever since. With the Eibach supplied suspension, my car will outhandle a GT on a road course (better weight distribution) and run circles around a front heavy GT500. On a dragstrip, it will do OK, not great but then the suspension (and supercharger) are not optimized for it.

Why not a Whipple? First off, they don't make a Whipple for the V6. They make a Roots type (which was not available in 2005 when the car was first built). A centrifugal supercharger is a better choice for a handling course due to the more even way the power comes on. For example, you come into a tight slow turn. You brake and slow the car. The car comes out of boost. Halfway through the turn, you floor the gas (I can hear my instructor yelling at me in my head as I write this, "Floor it! Floor it!). With a Roots or Screw supercharger, the sudden power kick with fullboost while you are pulling a very hard turn is likely to land you in the bushes unless you are very careful. The centrifugal starts building power instead, so there is much less of a dramatic power surge. It will definitely let you know when the boost comes on but its far less dramatic. When you in the straight away, the boost is at maximum for speed. At the track you spend a lot of time in the high rpm range, even at moderate speeds as you down shift a lot. At the strip, it is a different situation. You want more low-middle end power and torque and are not going to be spending a lot of time at the high end of the tach. Spin up, shift, spin up, shift, 10-12 seconds later - ride over.

Again, I want to emphasize that this is NOT a good choice for a daily driver. It has a stiff,track suspension with poor ground clearance (it won't clear parking curbs) and even at the softest setting (the front stabilizer bars are adjustable), itcan bea rough ride especially on poorer roads. If there is snow on the streets, well you are going to be driving a very odd and poorly designed snow plow.

ORIGINAL: ChrisRod

I dont care if my engine is as big as yours, fast as yours, loud as yours. I still get laid at the end of the day.


lol

ORIGINAL: ilmor

Everybody - just buy what the hell you want!! Who gives a damn!!


Evidently the person who started this thread. That, however, does not mean that you have to read it. You are welcome to try a different thread or even a different forum. You might consider this one http://priuschat.com/

ORIGINAL: Paleoc

ORIGINAL: ilmor

Everybody - just buy what the hell you want!! Who gives a damn!!


Evidently the person who started this thread. That, however, does not mean that you have to read it. You are welcome to try a different thread or even a different forum. You might consider this one http://priuschat.com/





[sm=hiya.gif]

Ok, finally ready to post some numbers! Hope this helps for anyone else who is conflicted about which way to go, like I've been for a while...:eek:Keep in mind, all pricing refers to '07 models.

Shelby GT-Supercharged - 500HP (X factor=No brake upgrades)

Mustang GT Deluxe 5spd w/IUP, Upfitter's, AAT= $27,006(invoice)
Shelby Upgrades+Gas Tax = $ 8,390
Ford Racing 500HP S/C kit from Shelby= $ 6,080
Subtotal = $41,476
Rebates,Swap cash, Collegedisc., Aged Inv. =-$4,500(If eligible for Ford plans)
Total before labor for S/C =$36,976

Shelby CS8 conversion - 470HP

Mustang GT Deluxe 5spd w/IUP, SAB, AAT = $25,474
Shelby full Turn II kit= $12,600
Short shift kit = $260
3.73 gears = $199
Subtotal = $38,533
Rebates,Swap cash, Collegedisc., Aged Inv. =-$4,500
Total before paint and labor = $34,033

Mustang GT-Supercharged - 500HP (X factor=No body kit, or brake upgrades)

Mustang GT Deluxe 5spd w/IUP, SAB, AAT, 18" FR Wheels = $26,279(invoice)
Ford Racing 500HP S/C kit from Shelby = $6,080
FR Handling Pack = $1,200
3.73 gears = $199
Short shift kit = $260
FR X pipe = $139
Side scoops= $185
Subtotal = $34,342
Rebates,Swap cash, Collegedisc., Aged Inv. =-$4,500
Total before labor for upgrade parts = $29,842

Shelby CS6 conversion - 350HP

Mustang V6 Deluxe 5spd w/IUP, ABS/TC, SAB, PDS, AAT = $20,666(invoice)
Shelby Turn II full kit = $13,000
Short shift kit&nbsp

Yep!

I'm glad i got my Shelby..... Thanks:)

Eddy, that price I listed for the S/C Shelby GT looks pretty good IF you could get the X,Y, whatever, plan on it, so you could get the incentive money. If not, you'd be looking at about $7433 difference in price between it, and a CS8, or a whopping $11,634 difference from that S/C GT I configured. I don't know about most folks, but that at least makes me think twice(X two hundred...:D)about it. That last V6 I configured, looks like it would run about sticker for a stock GT, and has 350hp, but you get 150hp more for $5643 extra for the S/C GT. Comes out to $37.62/1hp in relation to those two cars. Haven't worked that out on the others, I'm tired of numbers right now, and pissed that the dealer hasn't called me back to tell me where I tier out for FMC...[sm=smiley7.gif]

ORIGINAL: Paleoc

ORIGINAL: ilmor

Everybody - just buy what the hell you want!! Who gives a damn!!


Evidently the person who started this thread. That, however, does not mean that you have to read it. You are welcome to try a different thread or even a different forum. You might consider this one http://priuschat.com/




Are you trying to suggest that I switch to your favorite Prius forum? No thanks man, youcan read about those all you want!! :D

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

Eddy, that price I listed for the S/C Shelby GT looks pretty good IF you could get the X,Y, whatever, plan on it, so you could get the incentive money. If not, you'd be looking at about $7433 difference in price between it, and a CS8, or a whopping $11,634 difference from that S/C GT I configured. I don't know about most folks, but that at least makes me think twice(X two hundred...:D)about it. That last V6 I configured, looks like it would run about sticker for a stock GT, and has 350hp, but you get 150hp more for $5643 extra for the S/C GT. Comes out to $37.62/1hp in relation to those two cars. Haven't worked that out on the others, I'm tired of numbers right now, and pissed that the dealer hasn't called me back to tell me where I tier out for FMC...[sm=smiley7.gif]





Just boils down to what package you want. Those other packagesjust don't have theappealas the"Shelby GT Package" even though though the others can be had for less money ect.. It's just going to depend on your end result of what you want in a package.:)

There are so many different ways you can go as far as what you want on your car or bolted on your car but, It's just numbers. I appreciate you sharing those numbers and they have good points on cost and such. But when you find what you want, no matter how much it is and no matter what others may think, in the end, it's your money and your decision.

It does not matter if it's 320hp or 500hp. It's the complete package that i was looking for and Shelby fit nicely, For me anyway.:)

Long gone are the day's of myego is bigger than yours because i have500hp and you don'tit, does not matter. There will always be someone faster, someone flashier, someone lower, ect...

Since it would a purchase that i was going to live with maybe 5-10 years or longer, my decision would not be based on price (Unless money is tight anyway) but the happiness my Shelby, Saleen, Roush, CS6, ect.. was going to give me. Have you ever been in a situation where you got something and then later on down the road you said, Hmm, I wish i had got that insteador maybe i should of did that? Exactly..........

If cost is a factor, do the best you can with what you have. If cost is not a factor, Buy what you really want and have no regrets. :)

Yeah, cost is a big factor right now. Plus, I'd be way more inclined to get a low number Shelby GT, like one of the first 100 out of SAI. That would definitely sway me more. That being said, with the '09 refresh on the way, I don't know if getting an '09 Shelby GT would be better, even though I love the fact it comes in Vista blue now. Again, I'm not knocking anyone who paid more than MSRP on these, like the old saying goes, "you can't take it with you!". If I had a lot more disposable income, I'd probably still dissect this anyway, just how I am...[8D]I'd really like to see how any of the SGT owners that have S/Cd their rides feel now that it's done and paid for. That, and the CS8 with the FR 500HP S/C instead of the Paxton, Shelby named cars with a true 500HP rating. Sure makes the GT500 seem like an exercise in futility...[:@]Gotta love those slanted headlights, though!:D

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

Yeah, cost is a big factor right now. Plus, I'd be way more inclined to get a low number Shelby GT, like one of the first 100 out of SAI. That would definitely sway me more. That being said, with the '09 refresh on the way, I don't know if getting an '09 Shelby GT would be better, even though I love the fact it comes in Vista blue now. Again, I'm not knocking anyone who paid more than MSRP on these, like the old saying goes, "you can't take it with you!". If I had a lot more disposable income, I'd probably still dissect this anyway, just how I am...[8D]I'd really like to see how any of the SGT owners that have S/Cd their rides feel now that it's done and paid for. That, and the CS8 with the FR 500HP S/C instead of the Paxton, Shelby named cars with a true 500HP rating. Sure makes the GT500 seem like an exercise in futility...[:@]Gotta love those slanted headlights, though!:D


Thereshould be no '09 Shelby GT's, only '07's and '08's. Shelby has always said that they will make less than 10,000 of these to ensure collector status. Approx. 5700 were made in '07, so '08 should be it. Low number or high number won't make a difference.

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

Shelby CS8 conversion - 470HP(X factor=No CAI w/tuner included?)
Shelby CS6 conversion - 350HP (X factor=No CAI w/tuner included?)



The CAI is included as part of the supercharger kit. It comes with a Predator tuner and safe tune. Unfortunately, because it is a Predator tuner,most tuner shops won't touch it, so you would probably have to replacethe tunerto get it dyno tuned.

(note: this is an older picture, turns out the MAF was in installed in the wrong location. It should go right after the air filter which requires splicing the MAF wires as they aren't long enough to reach.)

My 2 cents is that had I known the Shelby was going to make a SGT (it was announced about 2 weeks after I ordered the base car) and that the 08's were going to be Vista Blue and Silver, I would have held off and ordered an 08 SGT. Not that I am unhappy with my end result, just there would have been a lot less drama and work (and expense) involved in ordering it already built from the dealer.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l201/Paleoc/100_0960.jpg

ORIGINAL: ilmor

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

Yeah, cost is a big factor right now. Plus, I'd be way more inclined to get a low number Shelby GT, like one of the first 100 out of SAI. That would definitely sway me more. That being said, with the '09 refresh on the way, I don't know if getting an '09 Shelby GT would be better, even though I love the fact it comes in Vista blue now. Again, I'm not knocking anyone who paid more than MSRP on these, like the old saying goes, "you can't take it with you!". If I had a lot more disposable income, I'd probably still dissect this anyway, just how I am...[8D]I'd really like to see how any of the SGT owners that have S/Cd their rides feel now that it's done and paid for. That, and the CS8 with the FR 500HP S/C instead of the Paxton, Shelby named cars with a true 500HP rating. Sure makes the GT500 seem like an exercise in futility...[:@]Gotta love those slanted headlights, though!:D


Thereshould be no '09 Shelby GT's, only '07's and '08's. Shelby has always said that they will make less than 10,000 of these to ensure collector status. Approx. 5700 were made in '07, so '08 should be it. Low number or high number won't make a difference.



Ilmor,

You picked out your Prius yet?:D

Hey Paleoc,

I was thinking about going with the FR 500HP S/C kit, and smaller 18" Razors, if I did a CS8 build. More power, better ride, seems like the way to go. Has anyone ever seen a CS8 on the street? Besides the one Hillbank built, that is. The CAI/tuner that comes with the Shelby/Paxton S/C, how does it compare with the FRPP that comes with the FR 500HP S/C kit? By the way, I called the folks over at MRT last week, and asked when they would finally be releasing their V6 turbo kit for mail order. They said they hoped to have it out before the end of the year, so that gives them a couple of months. You can give them your car, and they'll do it in house, but I'm not sure I want to drive, or ship the car, all the way from AR to MI...:DI know Powerhouse 411 makes a kit now, I'm just thinking the MRT guys may have more insight into the car, seeing as how their founder was a Mustang project engineer. Don't know the history of the Powerhouse guys, but no offense is meant to them in the slightest. Also don't know too much about the Helion kits, so any feedback on the choices for turbos out there would be appreciated, as always.

ORIGINAL: 07GTEddy



Ilmor,

You picked out your Prius yet?:D


Yes, Ed its a Shelby Prius GT10000!!!! 4 turbochargers in lieu of batteries!!!

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

Hey Paleoc,

I was thinking about going with the FR 500HP S/C kit, and smaller 18" Razors, if I did a CS8 build. More power, better ride, seems like the way to go. Has anyone ever seen a CS8 on the street? Besides the one Hillbank built, that is. The CAI/tuner that comes with the Shelby/Paxton S/C, how does it compare with the FRPP that comes with the FR 500HP S/C kit? By the way, I called the folks over at MRT last week, and asked when they would finally be releasing their V6 turbo kit for mail order. They said they hoped to have it out before the end of the year, so that gives them a couple of months. You can give them your car, and they'll do it in house, but I'm not sure I want to drive, or ship the car, all the way from AR to MI...:DI know Powerhouse 411 makes a kit now, I'm just thinking the MRT guys may have more insight into the car, seeing as how their founder was a Mustang project engineer. Don't know the history of the Powerhouse guys, but no offense is meant to them in the slightest. Also don't know too much about the Helion kits, so any feedback on the choices for turbos out there would be appreciated, as always.

If you build a CS8 with a different SC, you will have to do a stage 1 as Shelby will not certify it complete without a Paxtoneven if it is a Ford kit(which may not matter to you). That's just the way they do things. You may run into issues with a roots/whipple supercharger clearing the CS8 hood. The hood is thick top to bottom and may not clear the top of the supercharger. Someone tried to put a Roushcharger and it wouldn't clear.The 18 inch wheels won't fit over the 14 inch Shelby supplied Baer brakes.

I don't know anything about the MRT turbo. I do know about the Powerhouse. Todd (Rygen) at the Mustang********** has run 10.9 on a Powerhouse turbo V6.

Does anyone know if the Shelby package for the SGT went up in price for the '08 models? There's a window sticker for one on Ebay that shows $9500. I could have sworn it was $8390, including the gas tax, for '07. Was that wrong, or does it vary from car to car??? That seems highly unlikely, but you never know... I'm definitely starting to dig the Vista SGT.:D

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

Does anyone know if the Shelby package for the SGT went up in price for the '08 models? There's a window sticker for one on Ebay that shows $9500. I could have sworn it was $8390, including the gas tax, for '07. Was that wrong, or does it vary from car to car??? That seems highly unlikely, but you never know... I'm definitely starting to dig the Vista SGT.:D


You are correct, The price went up for 08's

Those dirty sons of...[:@]Was I right about the cost from the '07? If not, please let me know. I'm going to call Whipple tomorrow, and ask them if they've started to work on the fabled 4.0 kit yet. If they need a test mule, I'd be more than happy to work that out with them! I was able to locate a Perf. White GT Deluxe w/Dk. Charcoal interior, and it has the IUP-SAB-SAT-18"-Lthr-Wheel locks. The only thing, is that it's a 5spd, and I've been seeing on here how a lot of people are getting tired of rowing gears in stop and go traffic. IF Ford is still giving away the A/T on the GT models, it really doesn't make any sense to me to get a manual. There's a Torch Premium w/comfort group really close to me, but they've put a bunch of aftermarket stuff on it already, in an attempt to mark it way up. Does anyone have any experience with having dealerships remove excess crap they didn't want? If I can get it at the original invoice, it won't be a bad deal at all. I'll probably wait until I get a solid answer from Whipple regarding the 4.0, before I move on either of those GTs.

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

IF Ford is still giving away the A/T on the GT models, it really doesn't make any sense to me to get a manual.


What do you mean "giving away"?

There were discounts offered that were in the amount of the $645 and $995 A/T, depending on the invoice datesof the cars. That essentially gives you an A/T GT for the price of an M/T GT. Considering the higher resale value, AND the convenience while stuck in city driving, I think it's pretty obvious which way to go. That is, unless you REALLY love driving stick, no matter the traffic conditions. A/T transmission tunes almost make driving a stick obsolete...[sm=smiley24.gif]

I haven't owned an automatic since 1972; I just love rowing through the gears to much.....

If I find the right deal, I won't care much about the transmission either! :-D

ORIGINAL: Paleoc

If you build a CS8 with a different SC, you will have to do a stage 1 as Shelby will not certify it complete without a Paxtoneven if it is a Ford kit(which may not matter to you). That's just the way they do things. You may run into issues with a roots/whipple supercharger clearing the CS8 hood. The hood is thick top to bottom and may not clear the top of the supercharger. Someone tried to put a Roushcharger and it wouldn't clear.The 18 inch wheels won't fit over the 14 inch Shelby supplied Baer brakes.

I don't know anything about the MRT turbo. I do know about the Powerhouse. Todd (Rygen) at the Mustang********** has run 10.9 on a Powerhouse turbo V6.



This correct on fitment issues with a roots/twinscrew design, at least confimed with a Roushcharger and a Whipple. I am the one with the Roush and I had to modify the inner layer to accomodate it and if you like I will post the pics. Someone who had the hood and then added a Whipple also had to cut his inner layer to fit the pulley area and the intake tube. When I purchased my kit the only snafu to buying it was the question of the hood and my blower. I was told it would fit as the inner layer is the same mold as factory however it didn't fit because the CS6 hood is approx. a half inch thicker on the inside. SAI sent me a new hood figuring I had gotten a bad mold but the second hood was the same. (I pretty much tested this for them.) I kept the hood and modified it however if you go the CS8 route, check with Shelby Performance Parts (it's run by Scott Drake Inc. now). My hood came from the first batch as Paleoc's did and they did say last year they where going to test fit with top mounted blowers so they may have made adjustments.

Paleoc, explain the "certify" the complete package you mentioned. I am on the SAI forums and that has still not been mentioned publicly yet. Even the stripe package including the side strips are available to me or anyone weather I have the a full kit or not. Since I have been shopping stripes I have been quoted a price for the CS6/CS8 stripes.

Thanks for the follow up GPS, I'll check with SDI/SPF to see if they've already made the changes to the hood. I would definitely hope they reconsider the blower issue, especially since they sell the Whipple themselves![:@]

I hope they did too, would be better for them. Also of note though, Jason from Hillbank had to make a small opening under his hood as well even though he has a Paxton. Paleoc even had to make a small minor adjustment to his but not because contact I don't think but rather a heat issue. All three of us got our hoods in the early stages of the kit so maybe they did make changes.

ORIGINAL: GPStang06


Paleoc, explain the "certify" the complete package you mentioned. I am on the SAI forums and that has still not been mentioned publicly yet. Even the stripe package including the side strips are available to me or anyone weather I have the a full kit or not. Since I have been shopping stripes I have been quoted a price for the CS6/CS8 stripes.


That is interesting as when I got my stripes I was firmly told that in order to obtain CS6/8 stripes you had to prove that you had installed a 100% complete kit. With all the variation with the CS6/8's that have been built (mine is one of the few that conform to the original prototypes) it makes sense to ease up the restrictions on stripes and I am in agreement with that. However, I wish they would make their policies and stick to them or least announce their policies and if they change them, announce the changes. The constant changing their mind back and forth is irritating and unprofessional especially since they don't announce the changes.

ORIGINAL: GPStang06

I hope they did too, would be better for them. Also of note though, Jason from Hillbank had to make a small opening under his hood as well even though he has a Paxton. Paleoc even had to make a small minor adjustment to his but not because contact I don't think but rather a heat issue. All three of us got our hoods in the early stages of the kit so maybe they did make changes.


It was not justheat, the top of the Paxton supercharger was actually rubbing on the bottom of the hood and rubbed some of the polish off of it.

Hey Paleoc,

If what GPS said is true, and I could get the alternate 18" wheels, and another blower, do you think that would make good daily driving material? If so, who makes brakes thatwould fitinside the 18" wheels? I would think the FRGT upgradebrakes would work, since they also sell 18" wheels themselves.Looking to upgrade both front and rear, by the way. I've been "persuaded" to pay more attention to the X-Charger, if I go with a CS6 project, and the power potential of the Whipple/FR superchargeron a CS8is too hard to ignore. I was talking with the guy who built the designed the X-Charger kit about an hour ago, and he seemed really honest and easy to deal with. He told me that out of all the S/C on the market, the Paxton was the least desireable choice, because you have to change the oil on it so often. Is this true?

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

Hey Paleoc,

If what GPS said is true, and I could get the alternate 18" wheels, and another blower, do you think that would make good daily driving material? If so, who makes brakes thatwould fitinside the 18" wheels? I would think the FRGT upgradebrakes would work, since they also sell 18" wheels themselves.Looking to upgrade both front and rear, by the way. I've been "persuaded" to pay more attention to the X-Charger, if I go with a CS6 project, and the power potential of the Whipple/FR superchargeron a CS8is too hard to ignore. I was talking with the guy who built the designed the X-Charger kit about an hour ago, and he seemed really honest and easy to deal with. He told me that out of all the S/C on the market, the Paxton was the least desireable choice, because you have to change the oil on it so often. Is this true?

X-Charger is supposedly one of the easier kits to install. It has has all the plusses and minuses of a roots. Low-mid end power and torque buta tendency to heat soak. As for the Paxton, I think he is full of .... It is identical to the Vortech except for the head unit. I suspose since it is oil cooled and lubricated, it might break the oil down faster due to heat. I have an oil cooler, so its no big deal to me.

ORIGINAL: Paleoc

ORIGINAL: GPStang06


Paleoc, explain the "certify" the complete package you mentioned. I am on the SAI forums and that has still not been mentioned publicly yet. Even the stripe package including the side strips are available to me or anyone weather I have the a full kit or not. Since I have been shopping stripes I have been quoted a price for the CS6/CS8 stripes.


That is interesting as when I got my stripes I was firmly told that in order to obtain CS6/8 stripes you had to prove that you had installed a 100% complete kit. With all the variation with the CS6/8's that have been built (mine is one of the few that conform to the original prototypes) it makes sense to ease up the restrictions on stripes and I am in agreement with that. However, I wish they would make their policies and stick to them or least announce their policies and if they change them, announce the changes. The constant changing their mind back and forth is irritating and unprofessional especially since they don't announce the changes.




Well, like you, confusion is at the maximum now I think, not just for us but the others who started building these last year when the package was in it's infancy. I was also told about not being able to get the stripes until I have "proven" that I had everything else installed on the car and the reciepts to prove I had purchased all the components from an authorized Shelby dealer but this information was from Hillbank, not SAI. When working with SAI to get my lower grill finally John W. quoted me a price for the "Supercharged" and non Supercharged stripe packages. This however was back in June of this year before Scott Drake Inc. took over running Shelby Performance Parts.

GTucker, this is of course is only my opinion but based on what you have stated in this thread this is what I would do if I was in your position.

First off, what do you want out of a new Mustang? A fun car for a few years, collectability, modifications, 1/4 mile racing, Road racing, etc. etc.

I think answering those questions will help you decide what direction you want to go in. If it where me in your shoes I would choose the following:

1. Collectable purpose: Shelby GT. I think it's a gamble no matter what car you choose for this purpose. Nobody knows what Shelby GT's will be worth and thanks to Barrett Jackson being televised as it is, the craze for cars like this is alive and well.

2. Rare, Unique style: Shelby CS6/CS8 package to some degree. This is what I chose because of the unique style of it. When I go to a car show or a Mustang show there are always Roush's, GT500's, Saleens, Steeda Q's, even Foose's but I have yet to see a CS6/8 or a car like mine with the appearance package on it which is why I picked it, it's different. Read more below on the CS6/8 opinion.

3. Modding car: Want to mod your car your way? Buy a GT or V6 and have at it, no worries here to ruin a future collectable value.

4. Race car: Something for drag racing or road track: Buy a GT and build it to your specs for what you need for the track. Again, get all the speed out of it by modding it without affecting future valle of a collectable.

5. Everyday driver: GT or V6 depending on what you like. The stock GT has loads of fun factor and coupled with a SC the fun factor goes way up. There are a lot of choices for SC's on a GT and tuned properly you can put them on the stock motor without having to change internals. Worried about warranty and engine life? A GT with a Roushcharger is the way to go for an everyday driver. Certainly not the fastest blower but it's main use is to add kick to the stock motor and last the life of the car while not shortening the engines life. This is why it keeps the 3/36000, it's considered "safe". If not, you can also go any route you want with a GT, Kenne Bell, Whipple, Turbo, etc. etc.

Shelby GT vs. CS6/CS8 assesment.

If you want the collectable value of a Shelby then the Shelby GT offers the best chance. Not saying a complete CS6/8 won't but being it won't go into the Shelby registry the chances are a lot less. If you also don't want to mod anything the SGT is a good choice. It's all done already and all you have to do is drive it.

The CS6/8 "kit" is designed to be just that, a kit. Personally I wouldn't purchase the full $12,999 kit if you plan on having someone else install everything. Paleoc has given you his review from that route since he has the complete "Turn 2" package. IMO this kit is more for the "do it yourself" kind of person who wants to build his/her own Shelby. Amy B has said numerous times that is what this kit is for. Having someone else install everything will cost a lot. Paint/prep alone will run between 1 to 2k depending on what price you get. Now tack on the cost to install everything else. My guess is you would end up spending somewhere between 5 to 7k in labor above the $12,999 price maybe more. You could also do what I am doing. I went with appearance route on a GT which is just the body components. I plan do do some 1/4 mile and road racing here and there so I am going my own way in regards to suspension and power. This way I have the look I want and the power and handling I need ot get out of the car what I am looking for.

Besides, I may be bias but I think the body parts look fine on a regular GT. ;)

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r281/GPStang06/Miami%20Shoot%2010-6-07/Miami-GP1.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r281/GPStang06/Miami%20Shoot%2010-6-07/RaymondPic.jpg

Hey GPS,

Your car looks fantastic, without the decals! I'm just wondering, why they offer a unique front fascia for the CS6/CS8, but didn't design a new rear, or at least use the CS/GT500 rear fascia? I hear what you're saying about the Roushcharger, but the 400HP Whipple from FR also has the 3/36 warranty, if you get it put on before you take delivery of the car. The 500HP blower doesn't get that, but you could always upgrade to the H/O components later. You're right about the rarity of the CS6/8s, yours and Paleoc's are the only customer cars I've even seen pictures of. That registry thing is a big deal to some, but I just like the styling of the CS cars. It's kind of strange that Mr. Shelby himself would pose with the car, but it's not "officially" recognized as of yet. I've got another thread regarding the Ford pricing plans, and if I can finally get someone who's serious enough to find the car I really want, and make something happen, I can weigh the options much better. At roughly $30-31k for a Shelby GT, would you consider that a no brainer?

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

Hey GPS,

Your car looks fantastic, without the decals! I'm just wondering, why they offer a unique front fascia for the CS6/CS8, but didn't design a new rear, or at least use the CS/GT500 rear fascia?


Thanks for the compliments! My guess is because the CS and the GT500 where not in full production yet when the CS6 was being finalized (meaning the parts weren't readily available). Here is a little secret as well, the fascia that comes with the CS6 package is actually a standard GT rear fascia. You could pick one of those up color matched all over the place from places like Saleen and Steeda (this is if you had a V6). I put the GT500/CS on mine as well as Jason from Hillbank. You only needed a rear fascia if you had a V6 and needed the cutout for the dul exhaust.

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

I hear what you're saying about the Roushcharger, but the 400HP Whipple from FR also has the 3/36 warranty, if you get it put on before you take delivery of the car. The 500HP blower doesn't get that, but you could always upgrade to the H/O components later.


You know I forgot about Ford recently doing that, always good to have choices. If that was available to me last year when I got my 06 i would have chose the Whipple, just the Roush was already on my car and it was the last 06 manual GT in the area when I was looking. Couple 0% financing in and it was a no brainer for me.

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

You're right about the rarity of the CS6/8s, yours and Paleoc's are the only customer cars I've even seen pictures of. That registry thing is a big deal to some, but I just like the styling of the CS cars. It's kind of strange that Mr. Shelby himself would pose with the car, but it's not "officially" recognized as of yet.


That's what's good abotu this thread, you have 2 types of these cars, Paleocs which is a full kit top to bottom and mine which is a GT with only pieces which give you 2 good perspectives. Paleoc is right, there is probably less then 20 full complete CS6/8's running around right now which does make it rare but there are quite a few that have purchased the body parts to do their own thing somewhat like myself. According to Amy B. they CS6/8's such as Paleoc's and even mine (I have the parts to make it a complete "Turn 1" kit) because the parts are well...Shelby parts, well lets just say it here, most are made by other companies like the side scoops are made by Xenon. The difference is these cars won't (could of course change) be in the official registry because they are not built by Shelby. They have stated many times they will not build complete CS6/8's, to busy with the SGT's and KR's. The car with Carol in the picture is actually his car and the first prototype.

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

. I've got another thread regarding the Ford pricing plans, and if I can finally get someone who's serious enough to find the car I really want, and make something happen, I can weigh the options much better.


Here is food for thought on the comment I made about total cost to build a complete CS6/8 with labor. I forgot the link but I remember seeing a Shelby dealer selling a black CS6 as complete as Paleoc's car. They did all the work and where selling it for something like $45k.

ORIGINAL: gtucker4

At roughly $30-31k for a Shelby GT, would you consider that a no brainer?


Well, I have to say I am confused. $30-31K for a SGT is a steel (if it's brand new). The new GT premiums are around $30 to 32 depending on options. The Shelby package is $8k on top of that so hell yea I would say that is a no brainer, especially if you are interested in it to begin with. Just not sure I would use it as an everyday driver plus that full FRPP suspension is pretty harsh of rougher roads. Places like here in South Florida are easy to have sports cars in because the roads are generally in smooth condition but places like NJ, NY with the weather beat roads would be rough.

Hey GPS,

I got that 31k from taking a pretty stock GT at invoice, minus rebates and incentives, and added the $8390 for the Shelby conversion. Plus, anything I get is going to be a daily driver, so maybe an SGT is not such a great idea after all, due to things like door dings, rock chips, potholes... I finally think the road to travel for me is getting much clearer. An SGT would be great, but I'll have to pass, and go with a stock car, and take it from there. I've eliminated one option, now only one question remains, the age old debate...V6 or GT?[:@]By the way, I've still not seen a CS6/8 in any other color but Vista Blue...

White, Black (prototype 2) http://www.shelbyautos.com/gallery.asp?car=blkcs6, Silver, Red

Thanks for the link Paleoc. So, you've seen the silver and red ones? I'd love to check those out...

I've also been looking into this vehicle soI have some pics... Will post soon...

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/TRINIMASSIVE718/2007-109204.jpg


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/TRINIMASSIVE718/gallery_25.jpg


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/TRINIMASSIVE718/med_gallery_3419_85_1487791.jpg


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/TRINIMASSIVE718/Picture_058_800x600.jpg


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/TRINIMASSIVE718/SANY0129.jpg


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/TRINIMASSIVE718/IMG_0641.jpg

Damn! Those pics are sweet! That's definitely a good way to choose your own path. I take it then, that there are no color "restrictions" on getting the package. I guess that would be silly, considering that you don't get any registry status...[:@]Looks like they only make the full stripe kit in silver though. Would that be pretty accurate?

They supposedly have ghost stripes for the lighter colored cars, i have yet to see it.

Silver carsget a grey stripe.

Just something to think about... I have a 07 gt, 65 coupe, 08 trailblazer ss, and a 08 shelby gt (vista blue) in 20 years the shelby will smoke all of them in value. Shelby is 85 years old, he only has a few years of life left. When he passes, the cars value should jump pretty good. It is all what you are looking for. If you want a collector car the shelby gt is a good way to go, if you want a car to hammer on, you might want to go in a differant direction. I love my shelby, and wouldn't trade it for anything

I bought a V6 and I regret it so much I'm buying a new V8...haven't decided which one yet, even attempting to cough up the dough for a Shelby...anyways, shoulda bought V8 to begin with.... that's how it always is... the V8 just has more to it

Yes and get the MANUAL!