"Either way they are both slow for the amount of money you pay. I vote neither." Moosestang
If speed was the only criteria, we would all be driving Corvettes, including you.
The OP made it clear that speed was a big criteria. Why the **** are you talking about a $40k+ corvette?
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"I don't see the shelby GT being much of a collectors item. It's just a body kit for crying out loud. The GT500 might be worth something someday, but it's never going to pull in 200 times it's original value like a 1963 shelby cobra." Moosestang
And what were the 68-70 Shelby's? Mostly a body kit with a few suspension tweaks (sound familar). You could get the same engine choices in a Mach-1. And what are the comparable cost of them today, about 4 times as much.
Of course they were, but they aren't pulling in $750,000 at auction now are they. Let's face it, the cars of today don't even compare to the cars they were building in 68. 90% of todays cars are freaking plastic.
I'm glad you like your CS6, it's a bit flashy for me and I have big white racing stripes, lol! Did they have to write shelby so big on the side stripes so people would know it's a shelby? Not for me brother.
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Hmmmm, maybe I should write WHIPPLE across the side of my car in 6 inch tall letters. What does everyone think?
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Shelby GT is V8 CS6 is a V6 Shelby GT is a REAL Shelby CS6 is not With the Shelby GT you can send it to shelby autos and have them install a supercharger, headers, exhaust, wheels, etc. and still maintain 100% shelby status
CS6 you put all parts on yourself, and is not registered with shelby, and has no CSM number. You would still only have a V6 delux w/ CS6 package.
Shelby GT you would get your moneys worth when selling the car (will not depreciate like regular GT's or V6's)
why spend 34k on a kit + v6 when it will not be a REAL shelby, when you can spend 4k more and have a REAL shelby, and a V8.
+1 - get the real deal and make it faster if you need to. you will be much happier with the way it holds value and attracts attention. (not so happy with attention from cops though) but get the gt for sure man.
Well, if I could get the same type of deal dennis is getting on his, I would pick up the Shelby GT for sure. I peeked at the window sticker on one earlier, when I was haggling with the dealer, and it was just over $31K! If I could get Dennis' deal, I'd S/C it for sure, and be at the same price as the CS6 conversion, like Paleoc said. I'm definitely wanting a daily driver, though. That being said, putting a lot of mileage on the Shelby, would it still hold it's value that much better than a GT with equal mileage? You know, if I could find a decent deal on an '06 GT Vista, the CS8 idea sounds pretty good. I'd think that would be a great balance. GT500 performance+Good cost/value ratio+Shelby endorsement+Pretty scarce-Official Shelby registry. 4 positives, 1 negative. God, I gotta get this comparison up, pronto!!!
I get a.....special deal on the SGT or anyother car for that matter.
I can get an 07' for 29k or an 08' for 29k. I like the vista blue more so I'm holding off for it.
The CS6 could be converted in anycolor and silver cars get white stripes (or dark grey I cant remember). They can be done in stage 1 or stage 2 (stage one is wheels, GT rear bumper, CS6 front bumper, CS6 hood, CS6 hood grille, CS6 grille, PIAA driving lights, GT spoiler, CS6 stripes, CS6 Dual exhaust).
I think the biggest difference between the SGT and regular GT is the short throw shifter, FRPP handling package, and exhaust. Those three things make the car great, and you dont have to worry about having a shop do them, or shopping for a good aftermarket brand or wait for it (once you buy the car, its all on).
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Who buys a supped up V6 Mustang? Seems like such a waste of Shelby's time. I'm not dissing the 6er's out here who put turbos/SC's on themselves. I'm' just wondering what Shelby is thinking. What really confuses/upsets me is the CS6 looks better than the SGT. WTF is up with that? But there's no way I'd pay SGT money for a slightly faster V6.
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I saw something about using the x plan(which I'm eligable for) on them if thats the case then ya they would be worth it. I refuse to pay msrp or adm's.
I've had my GT for about 5 months now, I have parts to go on it and parts that have been installed. I'm willing to bet I'd beat a stock sgt but who cares, personally I like the look of mine better anyways especially when freshly polished
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Who buys a supped up V6 Mustang? Seems like such a waste of Shelby's time. I'm not dissing the 6er's out here who put turbos/SC's on themselves. I'm' just wondering what Shelby is thinking.
No offence but...why do you care if someone buys a V6 or not or Shelby has a "kit" for V6 owners? The CS6 is a package that anyone can build themselves rather then buy a pre-built Shelby. Besides, how many "tuner" companies have complete kits for V6's? Currently I think SAI is the only one. Doesn't sound like a bad business choice not to mention the owners out there that have purchased some of these components for their GT's and such, myself included.
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Who buys a supped up V6 Mustang? Seems like such a waste of Shelby's time. I'm not dissing the 6er's out here who put turbos/SC's on themselves. I'm' just wondering what Shelby is thinking.
No offence but...why do you care if someone buys a V6 or not or Shelby has a "kit" for V6 owners? The CS6 is a package that anyone can build themselves rather then buy a pre-built Shelby. Besides, how many "tuner" companies have complete kits for V6's? Currently I think SAI is the only one. Doesn't sound like a bad business choice not to mention the owners out there that have purchased some of these components for their GT's and such, myself included.
I didn't word my initial statement properly. It should have really been, Who makes a supped up V6, as in what company would do that? Why would they do that? And if they were going to do that, at least have it make some serious power. Not just barely beat an SGT. I understand the CS6 is a kit, but you've only got one SC to chose from and its not the best out there.
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theres 6'ers running low 10's buddy. stop thinking the V8 was gods gift to automobiles.
I'm sure a 6 can run the same time as an 8 due to traction limitations. But the 6 still won't be able to make the same POWER though. Whats the highest V6 stang motor putting out right now?
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I didn't word my initial statement properly. It should have really been, Who makes a supped up V6, as in what company would do that? Why would they do that? And if they were going to do that, at least have it make some serious power. Not just barely beat an SGT. I understand the CS6 is a kit, but you've only got one SC to chose from and its not the best out there.
Hmm, let me just say before my response that I am not tryign to ruffle you feathers, just enjoying a good debate
Who makes a supped up V6, as in what company would do that? Well SAI of course and others are starting to offer maybe not full kits but a lot more components for V6's including Steeda. Why would they do that? Money! There is a market for it. I don't have official numbers but I can say from just driving around on South Florida, V6 Mustangs out number GT's. I can understand the arguement though "Why would an enthusiast by a V6"? There are a lot of reasons that could be true. I personally rather have a V8 but I "different strokes for different folks", whatever makes them happy and it's their money.
And if they were going to do that, at least have it make some serious power. Not just barely beat an SGT. OK, well power is subjective. What is offered by SAI for the V6 (Paxton SC) is what they use. So it's not the fastest or makes the most power...so what? Mind you also the SGT itself was not built for speed. Amy B has been quoted many time as stating the SGT's nitch is more handling then power (the stock SGT without any addons). If someone sat down and wanted to by a Mustang with the intentions of running the 1/4 mile a lot and wanted a car built for it....the CS6 full kit is not for them. Oh yea....their is always someone faster. Another example is me. My car above is a regular GT but it has an SC under the hood....A Roushcharger. I get asked all the time and ribber quite a bit as to why I have a Roush, it doesn't produce enough power, it's not efficiant, it's the smallest with no expandabilty, etc etc. It amazes me how people always have a comment about it because it doesn't fit "their" needs never one thinking for a second that it's on my car and fits my needs.
I understand the CS6 is a kit, but you've only got one SC to chose from and its not the best out there. Not true, the Paxton is what comes with the "Turn 2" kits but why couldn't you put something else on it?. If you want to build a CS8 why not put a Whipple on it, in fact unless they changed it SAI sells The FRPP version of the Whipple. My point is the CS6/8 cars are not "official Shelby's meaning they won't be in the Registry so what value are you hurting. Yea you may hurt future value of an SGT if you plan on rolling over to Barret Jackson in 30 years but not a CS6/8 kit. It's a kit to build your own Shelby, built to how you want.
And the debate continues
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Hey Dennis, you wouldn't happen to know what the invoice cost of the Shelby conversion is, would you? That special price you are getting for yours looks to be about invoice minus rebates for the car, and Shelby cost of $7390, no $1000 gas tax included. Sound about right??? I would gather then, that NOBODY gets Shelby's parts cost for the cars, no matter who they know. Care to clarify? Oh, and does anyone know if the money that discounts the A/T will be back, or if it's still secretly there? Just curious, as the A/Ts resale will be better. If you can get it for free, why the hell not?
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I had a feeling this was gonna turn into a V-8 vs V-6 debate(is there any other way considering the two cars being mentioned?). Of course it makes sense for SAI to offer a kit for V-6 owners, the V-6 is what, 65% of all Mustang sales? Very easy decision for an aftermarket company to make. The only caveat is that most V-6 owners most likely aren't as affluent as the average V-8(including the GT500) owners. Before anyone with a bent-six gets bent over this comment, I am very much aware that owners of non V-8 cars on this site(and others like this one) are hardcore Mustang fans as much as the V-8 people(maybe more) are, but I'm very sure the average V-6(or for that matter V-8) owner doesn't belong to a Mustang car club or web site and that's reflective in the eyes of SEMA companies. If someone can pluck down $30+ large for a GT & up model, they (based on studies) can pluck down some more to enhance their cars. Why do you think most V-8 owners are in the 35+ age range? More income, more disposable income and more likely to part with it to fix what Ford won't(better brakes/more hp/better handling). With that said, it takes quite a character(I say that sincerely) to tackle the task of making a smaller engined, less aftermarket supported, less stout drive-train equipped V-6 car into a giant killer vs buying a V-8 car and having an endless plethora of choices to make building something very fast a snap. Kudos to those who are brave to roam against the grain. Different strokes for different folks and that's the beauty of living in a country where these choices can be made and executed. A Mustang is a Mustang no matter what's under the hood, I work very hard for my money(as I'm sure all of us do) and my choice is a Mustang I have yearned for for over 25 years, a GT, anything less(displacement-wise) wasn't an option(I considered a V-6 when the S197s debuted, but that was as short a thought as any I've ever had once I realized why I was considering a Mustang in the first place). CS6, CS8, Shelby GT, all very nice rides, but IMO only a V-8 would suffice, but then again, I'm not being paid to give advice. I say, whatever you truly desire and will be happy to own and lavish time and money on, as long as it's a Mustang, you can't lose......................
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Easy question, this time. Aimed at Paleoc, but others that know can feel free to answer. The wheels that come on the Turn I/II kit, do they already come with tires? And if so, what kind? I swear, I'll get that price comparison up, but probably not right now(1a.m.). Also, I'm trying to compare the Eibach pro Vs. FR handling pack for the V6. Prices are really close, but I'm sure someone will throw a wild card choice out there. Just make sure to state why, please! I'll check back with you all later in the day...
theres 6'ers running low 10's buddy. stop thinking the V8 was gods gift to automobiles.
I'm sure a 6 can run the same time as an 8 due to traction limitations. But the 6 still won't be able to make the same POWER though. Whats the highest V6 stang motor putting out right now?
let me put it this way....way WAY WAY more power than you are putting down. if you wanna talk built blocks there are 10's, if you want stock block almost 10's Buckman ran a what...11.02 on the stock block? fazm runnin low LOW 12's could be in the 11's pretty easily... Take a look around, there are quite a few ways to make a v6 considerably faster than a gt for the same amount of money. this is not for most people of course, but it happens fairly often. go check out the 4.0 section and look at my 1/4 mile times thread in the stickies. Those aren't nearly all the times, but scroll down and take a look at some of them.
Easy question, this time. Aimed at Paleoc, but others that know can feel free to answer. The wheels that come on the Turn I/II kit, do they already come with tires? And if so, what kind? I swear, I'll get that price comparison up, but probably not right now(1a.m.). Also, I'm trying to compare the Eibach pro Vs. FR handling pack for the V6. Prices are really close, but I'm sure someone will throw a wild card choice out there. Just make sure to state why, please! I'll check back with you all later in the day...
Tires are not included in the price of the Kit gTucker. Something else you can do also with the CS6 that you can't with a SGT. You don't have to buy the parts from SAI. Sure you would the Shelby components from SAI or a Shelby dealer like Hillbank but other sell the rims, the suspension stuff, etc etc. Remember, it's not going to be in the registry.
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I dont care if my engine is as big as yours, fast as yours, loud as yours. I still get laid at the end of the day.
LOL! At least there are some people out there that get it, I mean "get it" as in understand. LOL
Thanks GPS. I was pricing before I passed out this morning, and saw that the only part of the CS6 that's overpriced to me, is the front end. The fascia's a little expensive when compared with others, but that's really about it. Well, maybe the hood too, just a little bit. PLEASE tell me why companies make all these non functional products... It looks like after all the hardware in the Turn 1 kit, you're paying about $1700 for decals, so that's kind of steep too, although you would figure the Shelby name alone would command a premium. Guess I'm still on the fence about that one... When I get back from my son's football game, I'll post what I stayed up all night working out, and see what the court of public opinion thinks.
P.S.- Oh no! We're in the Shelby section now, this thread is doomed!!!!
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on the SGT or anyother car for that matter. 
It looks like after all the hardware in the Turn 1 kit, you're paying about $1700 for decals, so that's kind of steep too, although you would figure the Shelby name alone would command a premium. Guess I'm still on the fence about that one... When I get back from my son's football game, I'll post what I stayed up all night working out, and see what the court of public opinion thinks. 
