I cannot believe you are going to whoop Santa Clause. Thats just wrong....
I hope no small children are reading this. He really does look like Santa, i got a good look at him as he was going through the burger king drive-thru. He looked uncomfortable in that car.
You gotta figure Santa would need a fast car since his slay flies at the speed of light.
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Side note- Using the logic from this arguement, a S/C Shelby GT would be cheaper, almost as fast, and a TRUE Shelby, compared to the GT500. Hmmmmm.... What do you guys/gals think about that?
A supercharged mustang GT can be faster than a stock GT500, but the GT500 has way more potential due to forged internals and more displacement, but for the price it's just not worth getting either. Stock mustang GT $26,500, whipple HO supercharger $5,700, install for supercharger $0, do it yourself it's freaking easy, Showing your tail lights to the fat old guy in the stock GT500, priceless!
There is a fat old guy with a GT500 in my little hick town, he looks like santa claus, no ****, but i've yet to line up next to him. Santa Claus if you're reading this (red gt500 with white stripes) prepare yourself for the asswhoopin you are about to receive.
Dude, There is a guy around me that looks EXACTLY like santa clause and drives a RED gt500 with white stripes. Im in FOrt myers and im begginging to think it is the same guy. I alread put about 4 cars on him from a light, followed by a flyby and the finger.
Dude, There is a guy around me that looks EXACTLY like santa clause and drives a RED gt500 with white stripes. Im in FOrt myers and im begginging to think it is the same guy. I alread put about 4 cars on him from a light, followed by a flyby and the finger.
I doubt he's driving back and forth between Ft. Myers and Palatka, Fl, but you never know. I've seen this guy twice in Palatka. There's a black one around here as well. You should not be flipping off Santa Claus, just think of the consequences.
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LOL the hselby forum gets no love so we continue to bash the price gouging right here in the main forum. Woot gotta love it
I havnt SC'd(cant wait the sooner the better) yet and am already faster than the Shelby-GT, but it's not about speed when it comes to a shelby its about the name sticthed on your ass pocket
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See, what A said up top is what made me consider this in the first place. The CS6 is way more unique AND attainable, than any other Shelby badged car. Dash plaque, or not, it is called a Shelby car, so that would mean something in certain circles. I know I could put together a custom car, with all my own parts choices, for less, but if I ever decided to shift gears and sell it, I'm just not sure it would bring as much as even a CS6, nevermind a Shelby GT w/ or w/o FI. Just got back from lunch, so I'll get that price comparison up asap...
See, what A said up top is what made me consider this in the first place. The CS6 is way more unique AND attainable, than any other Shelby badged car. Dash plaque, or not, it is called a Shelby car, so that would mean something in certain circles. I know I could put together a custom car, with all my own parts choices, for less, but if I ever decided to shift gears and sell it, I'm just not sure it would bring as much as even a CS6, nevermind a Shelby GT w/ or w/o FI. Just got back from lunch, so I'll get that price comparison up asap...
There has been talk and continues to be talk about offering a dash plaque with the CS6/CS8 kit but nothing concrete yet. Last heard was if it was it would be available it would only be available if your purchased the full 'Turn1" or "Turn 2" kit but this plaque would also not have a CSM number. My guess is it would either be the same as the one with Caroll's autograph on it from his foundation that you can buy or something similar.
You could also just purchase the appearance stuff from the kit,(Hood, Fascia, Rims, etc. etc.) and put them on a GT. Build your suspension and drivetrain the way you want with the parts you want.
Shelby bs. Just a reworked regular old gt;gears,minimal exterior body add ons, cheap ford racing cai, cheap for tuning, prm. octane upgrade, gtas.Shelby gt won't be a collector's item. All ford did was confuse people. When you tell people you got a new shelby, there gonna be looking for the gt500, not the shelby(regular old gt). Just some old man looking to make some money off his name. Hey you think maybe the roush stage 1 will be a collector's item? Haha. Anyone looking into a shelby gt, just get a regulaer gt, save a lot of money and do some proper mods.Just get a gt and you'll be happy with it.
Shelby bs. Just a reworked regular old gt;gears,minimal exterior body add ons, cheap ford racing cai, cheap for tuning, prm. octane upgrade, gtas.Shelby gt won't be a collector's item. All ford did was confuse people. When you tell people you got a new shelby, there gonna be looking for the gt500, not the shelby(regular old gt). Just some old man looking to make some money off his name. Hey you think maybe the roush stage 1 will be a collector's item? Haha. Anyone looking into a shelby gt, just get a regulaer gt, save a lot of money and do some proper mods.Just get a gt and you'll be happy with it.
The FRPP CAI is the steeda CAI w/o the intake tube so quality is still there, for the most part FRPP parts are good quality parts although sometimes a bit over priced. The Shelby gt DOES go through SAI before being delivered but the GT500 is built at the ford factory and never see's SAI(except for maybe the SS packages but not sure) so go figure. As far as the sgt not being worth it I would say yes it's not worth the ADM but if offered below MSRP I would buy one.
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Either way they are both slow for the amount of money you pay. I vote neither.
I would have to vote the same way. I've thought for a long time that Shelby was just whoring his name out to bring in the cash. Unless collectibility is your thing then the Shelby GT is vastly overpriced for what it is. For the CS6, while it looks good, they are forcing you to put the Paxton SC on it, which personally wouldn't be at the top of my forced induction list. Really it all depends on what you are going for. Personally I would rather take a base model and put the mods on that I want. Costs less, more performance, and I am all about track et's.
This is the best post of that thread so far... Do it yourself from a base car and you'll have a unique Stang. You'll be cheaper than the Roushes,Saleen ,Steeda,Shelbys and all the other bullsh#ters out there selling their name.
If you get a mustang gt and supercharge it, then for some reason you have to sell it just remove the supercharger and sell it seperate. You will definately lose money on the supercharger and possibly have a harder time selling it. You'll be in the same boat with a shelby supercharged v6, it ain't going to sell for what you paid, no where close, but you won't be able to remove that supercharger without problems.
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See, what A said up top is what made me consider this in the first place. The CS6 is way more unique AND attainable, than any other Shelby badged car. Dash plaque, or not, it is called a Shelby car, so that would mean something in certain circles. I know I could put together a custom car, with all my own parts choices, for less, but if I ever decided to shift gears and sell it, I'm just not sure it would bring as much as even a CS6, nevermind a Shelby GT w/ or w/o FI. Just got back from lunch, so I'll get that price comparison up asap...
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the CS6 is way faster/way cooler. dont listen to the guys who buy cars and hope they get all the money back and then some. cars are not investments.
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well I'm getting my SGT (brand new 2008 Coupe) for $29,000. I have drove both a SGT and a regular GT with some performance mods (exhaust, CAI + Tune) and the SGT is 100x better than the regular GT. The SGT comes with your body mods, performance mods, etc. and you dont have to worry about voiding the warranty, and any aftermarket part you want you can have shelby put on and still dont have to worry about a voided warranty.
The GT500 is a real shelby, although its not touched by SAI they do have CSM numbers and a registry.
At 29k I would buy one just not at 40k or 45k. Never said it didnt get a registry # just said it doesnt go to SAI which is BS in my book. If they are gonna charge thousands(30-40K in some cases) over MSRP then it should go thru Shelby and not just ford. Thats just another way to rape people imo.
I believe the shelbies are coming with 3.55 RE ratio vs the stock GT at 3.31 so that is some of what you felt I bet when testing the 2. The suspension is the FRPP handling pack(and psooibly more but not sure) which can be put on any mustang.
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I dunno, sounds like the OP wants the cheapest way to enter Shelby ownership. If you get a base V-6(Deluxe model), you don't get ABS/TCS, IUP, leather seats(sure these are all available, but at an additional cost). I'd wait out until the end of Nov. and see what the '07 Shelby GTs are going for then(I've seen them at $35K for new ones). Are you gonna be satisfied with a 350hp V-6? A $35K Shelby GT with a $4K Paxton will pull around 480-500 crank hp with a proper tune. Of course being a V-8 owner, I'm biased, but look at it in the long run. Will you be happy with a performance model that has a six in it? Not knocking bent-six cars, but when a V-8 can lay down 400+ to the tires with a simple blower install, the V-6 concept looks a bit less interesting IMO. Why not try to get as best of a deal on a '07 GT and convert it to CS8 status? I'm sure a $40K CS8 will be worth more than the extra $5K it costs initially over a CS6 in the future. JMHO, best of luck on whichever route you take.
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Whew, this is a long thread with a lot of emotions (good and bad), assumptions (some correct, some way off), some biases, and some absolute, total BS.
"Anyway, if you add the $12,999 that Shelby is listing the Stage II (CS6) full conversion package at, then you come up with $32,949. Not sure how much the paint and installation would cost, but give it a conservative estimate of an extra $2000." Gtucker4
Unless you do most of the work yourself (and it would be a ton of work not including painting), labor costs are going to run way more than $2000. Not to mention another $700 for stripes (not including labor). Stripes are not included but are supplied after you prove to Shelby that the whole car is finished. So if your decision is based on cost analysis, just go find yourself a SGT and buy it. Now if you add the supercharger to the SGT and have it installed at Shelby, then the cost might be similar.
"CS6 has 350hp, Shelby GT has 320hp." Gtucker4
Based on the Dyno readings my car produces about 320-330 hp at the flywheel with the supplied pulley depending on the actual drivetrain loss ratio. Dropping another step down in pulley size should bring it to about 360-370hp.
"If you can afford the V8, get it, even if it's just a GT and not the ShelbyGT. If you get the V6 you'll probably end up regretting it no matter how fast you make it. (no offence 6ers.) " Revlefty
No, I don't regret not having a V8 for an instant (and I could have bought one easily) and I DO TAKE OFFENSE. I can run circles around an non F/I stock GT. A F/I GT will beat mine in a drag race but then a slightly modified 03/04 Cobra will beat that and a modified GT500 will beat that, which will then be beaten by highly modified .... So what's your point?
"..always thought the true nature of a Shelby, was when it had things you absolutely had to get from them(Besides the dash plaque...)" Gtucker4
The 68 1/2 - 70 Shelby's (along with the current GT500's) were made completely by Ford. I don't see anyone saying that they are not "true" Shelby's.
"Either way they are both slow for the amount of money you pay. I vote neither." Moosestang
If speed was the only criteria, we would all be driving Corvettes, including you.
"I don't see the shelby GT being much of a collectors item. It's just a body kit for crying out loud. The GT500 might be worth something someday, but it's never going to pull in 200 times it's original value like a 1963 shelby cobra." Moosestang
And what were the 68-70 Shelby's? Mostly a body kit with a few suspension tweaks (sound familar). You could get the same engine choices in a Mach-1. And what are the comparable cost of them today, about 4 times as much.
"Shelby GT looks true to form and true to its heritage. Plus, in stock form they are SCCA ready. Polo = Road Course> Drag Strip. CS-6 is a unique car in its own right. Bet its a monster on a road course, too?" PolozLX
Actually my car will out handle a SGT and has better brakes, but that comes at the cost of a much harsher ride.
"Shelby bs. Just a reworked regular old gt;gears,minimal exterior body add ons, cheap ford racing cai, cheap for tuning, prm. octane upgrade, gtas.Shelby gt won't be a collector's item. All ford did was confuse people. When you tell people you got a new shelby, there gonna be looking for the gt500, not the shelby(regular old gt). Just some old man looking to make some money off his name. Hey you think maybe the roush stage 1 will be a collector's item? Haha. Anyone looking into a shelby gt, just get a regulaer gt, save a lot of money and do some proper mods.Just get a gt and you'll be happy with it." Brad281
As I said, some absolute, total BS.
"If you get a mustang gt and supercharge it, then for some reason you have to sell it just remove the supercharger and sell it seperate. You will definately lose money on the supercharger and possibly have a harder time selling it. You'll be in the same bought with a shelby supercharged v6, it ain't going to sell for what you paid, no where close, but you won't be able to remove that supercharger without problems." Moosestang
If I were to sell my car some years down the road, I guarantee I will get a lot more return of my original cost than you will. How many 2005-2008 GTs are on the road? How many CS6's, currently maybe <20. And I would want to remove my supercharger, Why?
"dont listen to the guys who buy cars and hope they get all the money back and then some. cars are not investments." Tungstenstang
Very valid point, the bottom line is what do you want, performance, looks, some combination of the two? And how much do you want to pay? How much time and work do you want to invest? Buying a SGT off a dealer floor is a lot easier and less frustrating than having a CS6/8 built. The CS6/8 is more unique. My recommendation is to make a chart. Put the cars you are considering across the top and the factors (looks, cost, ease of purchase, straight line performance, handling, comfort, ride, driveability, color availability, etc) in purchasing down the side. Factor the importance in the columns for each car and then study the results to help you decide what you want. Had I known back in 2006 that the 2008 SGT's were going to be Vista Blue and Silver, I would have waited and bought one of those simply for the much greater ease of obtaining one. However, now that I have the car, I have no regrets and enjoy driving it (strictly a weekend car). It is not a daily driver and has very low tolerance for bumpy roads and zero tolerance for potholes (something would probably break). It can't be started below 25 degrees F without an engine heater (voids the supercharger warranty). The tires I have are rated 9 for dry handling, 8 for wet and 0 for snow. So if you are looking for a daily commuter you can scratch the CS6/8 right off your list.
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well I'm getting my SGT (brand new 2008 Coupe) for $29,000. I have drove both a SGT and a regular GT with some performance mods (exhaust, CAI + Tune) and the SGT is 100x better than the regular GT. The SGT comes with your body mods, performance mods, etc. and you dont have to worry about voiding the warranty, and any aftermarket part you want you can have shelby put on and still dont have to worry about a voided warranty.
The GT500 is a real shelby, although its not touched by SAI they do have CSM numbers and a registry.
Thoughtful, and informative post Paleoc. Didn't hurt that it's coming from a CS6 owner/operator either... Who else would know, better than someone who has been through it? I've followed your project some, and it seems like you've done a little extra than the "normal" CS6 conversion. Since I posted earlier, I've been at the dealership, fighting to see what the best deal on the Vista V6 will be. We switched gears on them towards the end, and it looks like that will be MY car. She wants a Perf. White A/T w/Pony Package that I found, I'm trying to steer her towards a Torch one I found as well... Now that I have some down time, I'm gonna post the cost comparison here when I finish working on it, and that may help me, as well as others riding the fence, figure out which way I want to go. I'm sure I can put the body kit and wheels on myself, it's just the S/C I'm worried about. Luckily, I work at a school that has automotive technology and collision repair facilities, so labor is free!!! Paid them $100 to knock a dent out of my wife's car, and repaint the whole rear bumper. Not bad, I'd say! I may be able to get all the installation done at no cost, so if I can get the parts at a reasonable price, makes things a lot more interesting, doesn't it? How the heck are you getting your '08 SGT at $29K Dennis?!?!? Shouldn't you be able to pick up an '07 for less than that then? I'd definitely take a black one w/black bullits for that price, or less for an '07. Also, Paleoc may be able to answer this. Are you not allowed to order the Turn I or II kits, if you have any other color but Vista? There used to be a link to a black one, but it doesn't work anymore, and I think that owner changed some things, like you did. Will you get chastised by other Shelby owners if you go with an unconventional color scheme? Torch Red CS6 For-The-Win!!! All you guys'/(gals'?) feedback is always appreciated, and I'm happy to be a part of a thread that conjures up good dialogue.
P.S.- GO YANKS!!!! I'm one of Queens' finest, but grew up a Bomber fan. Born in '78, favorite mug growing up had that team on it. What do you think, Perf. White w/Navy pinstripes FTW...???
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