The Saleen is a more efficient SC due to the airflow path. This is how the saleen gives more for less, so to say. The rock polisher sound happens to me when the engine is cold. It's called "rotor slap" and occurs when the unit is cold. It effects nothing and has zero detrimental effect. I did have the SC-firewall clearance issue but that is an easy fix. I also have a dime-sized spot that is rubbed into my hood liner.
The only thing I don't like about the Saleen is that it's quiet. I expected a lowder blower whine but it's just not there very much. The good news is that other stangs think they might have a chance next to me. I have a stock exhaust and I've stayed with a somewhat sleeper look and I know other stang drivers are in awe when we "get on it" and I leave them behind.
The Saleen is a more efficient SC due to the airflow path. This is how the saleen gives more for less, so to say.
I'm not here to start any problems but only to help others understand things better. I feel that the statements made by you do mislead some and just wanted to clerify so that we all can have a better idea what we're speaking about. In regards to the statement above on the Saleen being more efficient due to it's airflow path I believe that's really not a truthful statement and I think if you did some more research you'll see why. Look at the intake on the saleen. The throttle body is above the blower. In order for the air to be fed into the actual compressor it goes through a major bend (almost a 180 degree bend) in the intake before it actually reaches the rotors. Then look at the pulley ratios for the Whipple compared to the Saleen. It takes the Saleen a 3.20" pulley to make 11.5psi and the Whipple makes 13 psi with the same pulley combo. Saleen actually tested Whipple's rotors in their case for the 05-08 GT Kit and the blower with the Whipple rotors in it created 1.5lbs more boost at the same pulley combo then the Saleen blower made with the Saleen rotors. This is just another example of efficiency. This means that it takes the Saleen a more RPM's to reach the same boost level the Whipple does at a lower RPM range. We all know as well that spinning a blower harder creates more heat and higher IAT temps. With that said wouldn't you say a blower that takes less to spin to create more boost with lower IAT temps would be more efficient then a blower that in essence needs to be overspun to create the same level of boost with higher IAT temps?
The Saleens intercooler is also something to take a look at when speaking of efficiency. The saleen uses a wider intercooler then Whipple however it's considerably thinner. This means the air coming out of the Saleen passing over the intercooler has less area to pass over for cooling. The Whipple intercooler is thicker allowing more time for the discharged air to pass over the fins and allow better cooling.
Lastly, The Saleen blower isn't really capable of producing high boost levels. There's really no one out there running 14+ Psi and thats due to the the efficiency of the blower being reached at that point. The w140ax 2.3L Whipple used on the 05+ H.O kit is the same compressor used on the 03-04 Cobra and 99-04 lightning kit which can be run at 25psi all day long. To me that's efficient.
I do think the Saleen is a great blower though and there's a lot of guys out there who run them with great results. I'll never put it down but only wanted to bring light to the statement you made of the Saleen being more efficient than the Whipple.
Thanks, Jared
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The Saleen is a more efficient SC due to the airflow path. This is how the saleen gives more for less, so to say.
I'm not here to start any problems but only to help others understand things better. I feel that the statements made by you do mislead some and just wanted to clerify so that we all can have a better idea what we're speaking about. In regards to the statement above on the Saleen being more efficient due to it's airflow path I believe that's really not a truthful statement and I think if you did some more research you'll see why. Look at the intake on the saleen. The throttle body is above the blower. In order for the air to be fed into the actual compressor it goes through a major bend (almost a 180 degree bend) in the intake before it actually reaches the rotors. Then look at the pulley ratios for the Whipple compared to the Saleen. It takes the Saleen a 3.20" pulley to make 11.5psi and the Whipple makes 13 psi with the same pulley combo. Saleen actually tested Whipple's rotors in their case for the 05-08 GT Kit and the blower with the Whipple rotors in it created 1.5lbs more boost at the same pulley combo then the Saleen blower made with the Saleen rotors. This is just another example of efficiency. This means that it takes the Saleen a more RPM's to reach the same boost level the Whipple does at a lower RPM range. We all know as well that spinning a blower harder creates more heat and higher IAT temps. With that said wouldn't you say a blower that takes less to spin to create more boost with lower IAT temps would be more efficient then a blower that in essence needs to be overspun to create the same level of boost with higher IAT temps?
The Saleens intercooler is also something to take a look at when speaking of efficiency. The saleen uses a wider intercooler then Whipple however it's considerable thinner. This means the air coming out of the Saleen passing over the intercooler has less area to pass over for cooling. The Whipple intercooler is thicker allowing more time for the discharged air to pass over the fins and allow better cooling.
Lastly, The Saleen blower isn't really capable of producing high boost levels. There's really no one out there running 14+ Psi and thats due to the the efficiency of the blower being reached at that point. The w140ax 2.3L Whipple used on the 05+ H.O kit is the same compressor used on the 03-04 Cobra and 99-04 lightning kit which can be run at 25psi all day long. To me that's efficient.
I do think the Saleen is a great blower though and there's a lot of guys out there who like them a lot as well. I'll never put it down but only wanted to bring light to the statement you made of the Saleen being more efficient than the Whipple.
Run the Whipple at 8 psi and I'm sure you are pretty damn safe on the stock internals. Its more in the tune then the boost. Its said that detonation increases cyl pressures 10x the normal max.
+1 Whipple at 8psi. That is my plan and that is what Moosestang is running. When I retire to car to recreational use I will up the boost and when something lets go, oh well break out the CC.
8psi = 8psi doesnt matter if it is coming out of a Saleen or Whipple. Its all the same.
As stated above safety is in the tune. As long as you are ok leaving a few hp on the table you will be plenty safe.
I think the start of this rumor about the saleen being better is that it makes 400 crank hp at a claimed 4psi while the non-intercooled whipple claims 6psi for 400 crank hp. To me this is a function of the intercooler of the saleen allowing less fuel and more timing while remaining safe. The whipple to be safe probably runs richer and less timing making the difference in power.
The whipple HO with an 8 psi pulley should be good for about 420 rear wheel hp which is an improvement of about 150 hp at the wheels. Sounds good to me.
I really like the Saleen kit and if I lived closer to Brenspeed I would buy one and have them install it for $650. But I plan on installing it myself and the potential for firewall clearance issues, hood clearance issues, need for motor mounts, and what appears to be a slightly more complex install have steered me to the whipple.
You will be happy whichever one you choose.
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The whipple HO with an 8 psi pulley should be good for about 420 rear wheel hp which is an improvement of about 150 hp at the wheels. Sounds good to me.
Keep in mind those are whipples estimated numbers, it could be more or less and probably more if you get a dyno tune. If it would ever stop raining here I might take it into gainesville for a dyno run or atleast a run down the 1/4! Rain, rain go the **** away!
By the way, no clearance issues with the whipple, but I did remove my hood liner. Lots of room between the firewall and blower as well.
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Oh hey Jared I was the guy named Alex who just asked for that shipping quote to Fort McMurray Canada, so gimme a deal!
Hey Alex,
I'll be able to quote you tomorrow as my Fed Ex rep isn't available until then.
In regards to the kits here's the difference between the high output complete kit and and the high output tuner kit.
The High Output complete kit includes everything.. Blower, Intercooler, Injectors, GT500 Fuel System,Spark Plugs, Tune and everything else.
The Tuner kit is in essence the same but without the Injectors, GT500 Fuel System, Spark Plugs and Tune.
I suggest for you Alex to go with the High Output complete kit. Then add the VMP Custom Whipple tune with Xcal2 or 3. You'll actually receive a credit for deleting the Ford Racing/Whipple tune so it only comes to about $300 for adding the Xcal and VMP tune to the deal.
This way you get everything you need, a custom tune and tuning support to get your car dialed in. If you went the tuner kit route you'd still need a fuel system, injectors and plugs and when pricing that stuff out separately it's going to cost you more than just buying it in the kit.
We just had a Whipple car of ours in Kuwait put down 557rwhp on 14psi!! WOWSERS!!!! LOL Those guys are awesome over there. My Kuwait customers have no fear for their stock blocks and if at anytime it goes pop they already purchased pistons, rods and hardware to rebuild..
Anyways, I'll shoot you a price quote tomorrow so please let me know if there's anything else I can do for you in the meantime here. Thanks, Jared
Yeah I definitely want the HO kit. What if I already have a Xcal2 tuner, how would I get the tune. and is the Xcal2 included in that kit?
If you already have an Xcal then you'll have to purchase the VMP tune separately. Not sure about your next question but the Whipple kit when purchased as the complete kit it comes with a Ford Racing Programmer that you register for on FordRacing.com and they mail it to you. It's a flash tool and that's it. No adjustability so if you up the boost. change gears or go with bigger tires you won't be able to make changes to the Ford Racing tune. That's why the VMP option is so popular. It gives you not only a tune from one of the best modular tuners in the industry but all of the user adjustability that the SCT programmer normally offers as well.
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Yeah it does. I am just worried about Duty on that kit. It cost me almost $100 on my Intake Tune from Brenspeed. That was totally unexpected. Thanks for all your help too.
Yeah it does. I am just worried about Duty on that kit. It cost me almost $100 on my Intake Tune from Brenspeed. That was totally unexpected. Thanks for all your help too.
That's definitely high for just an intake but regardless you're going to get hit with duties. It's just a part of you living up there. I'll give you an estimate on the duties tomorrow as well. Thanks, Jared
Hey Explict, First and for most get what makes you happy! Whether it be a Whipple, Saleen, or KB. Personally I think the Whipple looks the best, but I went with a Saleen because I feel that it is the best SC on the market, but I am sure others feel differnetly and thats fine. But no matter what you go with there will be some if not several unplanned costs, trust me I know. Budget about 2k above the install cost of the SC and you should be fine. Not to trash LETHAL PERFORMANCE, INC. but I think it is a little cheap on their part to steer you to what they are selling. With that said I have NEVER heard anything bad about them, but it looks like they are hunting for customers on this forum, LETHAL PERFORMANCE, INC. I am not trying to trash you guys and I think your input is great, but I don't think you should push anyone to a product let them make thier own choice, and again I have nothing against the whipple.
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Yeah I know there will be costs, thats why I am going to collect stuff throughout the winter! I like the Whipple, The Saleen usually costs like at least $1000 more.
Yeah I know there will be costs, thats why I am going to collect stuff throughout the winter! I like the Whipple, The Saleen usually costs like at least $1000 more.
The part I liked about the Saleen is you keep the (over 300 dealer network) 3/36K if you have an authorized Saleen dealer install it. Drivetrain warranty is completely lost after you install the whipple. Ford backs Saleen and there 300 + dealers, not whipple. However in defense of the whipple I have not heard of any people blow there motors yet on that setup. The Key is good install, and good "safe" tune.
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