right, well i guess im a total restomoder. then again you dont see me put 18inch rims on my car or a fuel injected motor. i change what i want but i keep it looking classic.
you have modified ie exhaust, 15 inch wheels, kelsey hayes style discs, basically if its pretty period correct its just a modded stang. if you go and put an mp3 player, 19's, force 10 discs, and a 347 fi stroker thats restomod.
period correct = ok restomod=laughable at best but will probably make me throw up, I order a white dash pad from mustangs plus and now they send me catalogs and news letters with all those horrid cars of theirs in there...newer does not = better that is why krperf got pwned
its cool knuckless, i think its kind of dumb how restomodders now consider everything restomod, people were modifying mustangs with cragars and ar wheels long before restomods heck my dad has a picture of him with a friends 68 shelby from around 69-70 and he had ar wheels that were similar to cragar nomad II's on that car so its not like its a sin
why dont you ask me if i put the wheels on, then insult me
1st - the wheels came with the car when i bought it 2nd - i dont even know what kind of wheels they are 3rd - those wheels seem to be time period correct, ive seen a couple other 68's with them, so dont make it seem like im making my car a restomod 4th - never said i hated restomods, i just dont like them and there not my style 5th - we each have our own likes and dislike, i never insulted anyone who made a restomod, i just said there not my style
Your absolutley right, I lowballed ya and I apologize.
I love the technology that the Eleanor craze brought to the market. As a direct result of that stupid movie, they have started reproducing the 67 fastback. Now, I ask you, does it get any better than that???
The suspension pieces built for that car have caused an explosion of superior handling kits compared to what was on the market before.
That being said, I'd do a GT500 clone complete with an FE and late model, rack and pinion setup with the killer suspension.
Yeah. Thats the ticket.
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why dont you ask me if i put the wheels on, then insult me
1st - the wheels came with the car when i bought it 2nd - i dont even know what kind of wheels they are 3rd - those wheels seem to be time period correct, ive seen a couple other 68's with them, so dont make it seem like im making my car a restomod 4th - never said i hated restomods, i just dont like them and there not my style 5th - we each have our own likes and dislike, i never insulted anyone who made a restomod, i just said there not my style
Your absolutley right, I lowballed ya and I apologize.
its alright, ive done it before to people and i know ill end up doing it again
I'm fine with Eleanors. Build as many as you want, cuz they look and drive good. But quit cutting up original Fastbacks to do it, and never destroy a Shelby. I'd like to build my own variation of one someday, but if I do it will be off one of these bodies, not harming a part of history...
well in that sense your taking away the essence and experience of a 67 mustang. And as far as IRS im discussing in a sedan style car ie mustang new or classic any fendered road race car for that matter that is a front motor rwd car. A 1500 buck coleman floater 9 inch rear end and a watts link w/some proper springs will be just as effective as any irs on the market heck substitute a panhard rod for the watts and its pretty much a nascar rear end.
IRS is an awesome concept but unless you have f1 money and a 2500 or less lb car you have alot of setup problems and still suffer from the toe out, positive camber gain problems that a 9 inch has under hard braking causing wheel hop and its a heck of alot easier to fix on a live axle than irs . also on a front engine car or car that is not heavily rear weight biased you have virtually no anti-squat on an irs which takes away alot of power to ground potential and among other things an irs does not have a consistent contact patch which can lead to premature tire wear at the race track. like i said unless you have f1 money good idea but its probly not happening. In the long run the atleast 8000 dollar difference just doesnt make alot of sense.
as far as the front, an unequal a arm coil over setup with penske or koni coil overs would be much better. strut suspensions are used for cost effectiveness and most lowering springs are just a pain. they also lose their vertical load effectiveness base on positioning, have positive camber gain problems and you have to increase the tire scrub radius the bigger the tires and wheels are. even though a strut has good roll center characteristics if done right that is negated by the other factors.
bottom line ive ridden in 03 cobras with everything under the sun done to the irs and front suspension and ive ridden in a 289 66 with progressive coil springs, a cobra automotive traction link, 200lb leaf springs, new bushings and bilstein shocks from cobra automotive that drove much better imo. maybe its driving style but I consider myself a good racer and i know what i want out of a car and the biggest thing I know about a good chassis or suspension is that less is always more.
Easttenmotors, seriously man, you've gottta get out more. There is so much more in the automotive world than "built to a price domestics" Ever ridden in a newish BMW Merc, Porsche, Audi, hell, even an Aussie 4 door falcon. All have IRS systems that will put a domestic live axle to shame. A live axle is 1920s technology. It does what is required, but is not, by any strech of the imagination, superior to a well designed IRS. OK, flame away.
GT 500 = timeless classic Eleanor = flavor of the decade
I think people should build what THEY want. I mean, cars are rarely good investments. So I think it's most important to do whatever is most fun for the person doing the work, or owning the car.
My personal oppinion is that a restomod is way more work because "current" is always changing. The guy who thinks adding EFI is a good idea now, will be adding "hybrid parts" to that EFI in 10-20yrs from now. Eventually they'll be adding things that haven't even been invented yet. I think it's way easier to just buy one as it was and leave it forever. I'd rather only parts when they break rather than replace parts when they become out of style.
Why do "classic" Mustang owners always bash modified Mustangs. Call 'em restomods or whatever, there are almost no unmodified Mustangs anymore. If you change anything it's modified. You guys are so close minded. It's my car and I'll make it they way I want. Eleanor coupe with 18" wheels and EFI with a 5 speed sounds good to me! As for a your question, IF I had a Shelby GT500 I'd sell it for a couple million and build about 40 Mustangs I could actually drive. Don't get me wrong, a GT500 is awesome, in a museum. I'm gonna drive my car and anything that makes it safer and more fun to drive is a plus.
Why do "classic" Mustang owners always bash modified Mustangs. Call 'em restomods or whatever, there are almost no unmodified Mustangs anymore. If you change anything it's modified. You guys are so close minded. It's my car and I'll make it they way I want. Eleanor coupe with 18" wheels and EFI with a 5 speed sounds good to me! As for a your question, IF I had a Shelby GT500 I'd sell it for a couple million and build about 40 Mustangs I could actually drive. Don't get me wrong, a GT500 is awesome, in a museum. I'm gonna drive my car and anything that makes it safer and more fun to drive is a plus.
like said in the begining, im not insulting anyone whos building anything. ive seen the progress on your car think it looks great but its just not my style. a 67 coupe with an eleanor body kit and painted red? doesnt match up to me, but all i know is when your done that will be one nice car. but i wouldnt have built it if i had the money. yeah your right every car is modified these days. my opinion is anything with 17inch or bigger wheels, efi, and some kind of body kit, its a restomod that i dont agree with.
ps a gt 500 would look better speeding by you on the highway than in a museum never to be driven again, thats just a waste
I'm so new to this forum thing, I don't even know what pwned means. But, I'm glad there is someone else on here that supports the IRS view. I've driven enough of both, stock and modified, and I would take an IRS all day everyday.
As far as mods go, I don't even know why everyone gets hung up on the term "restomod." It's just a stupid term that the owner and a buddy at Mustangs Plus coined years ago. I say, modify them at will. Make them your car. And yes, there are a lot of things newer, that are in fact better. Even better for some of you purists, they make parts that can improve the driveability, comfort, and safety of the car without making it look horribly modified. Remember the MIB (Mustang In Black) car in Mustang Monthly. This is a good example of the kind of cars that I like to build.
well in that sense your taking away the essence and experience of a 67 mustang. And as far as IRS im discussing in a sedan style car ie mustang new or classic any fendered road race car for that matter that is a front motor rwd car. A 1500 buck coleman floater 9 inch rear end and a watts link w/some proper springs will be just as effective as any irs on the market heck substitute a panhard rod for the watts and its pretty much a nascar rear end.
IRS is an awesome concept but unless you have f1 money and a 2500 or less lb car you have alot of setup problems and still suffer from the toe out, positive camber gain problems that a 9 inch has under hard braking causing wheel hop and its a heck of alot easier to fix on a live axle than irs . also on a front engine car or car that is not heavily rear weight biased you have virtually no anti-squat on an irs which takes away alot of power to ground potential and among other things an irs does not have a consistent contact patch which can lead to premature tire wear at the race track. like i said unless you have f1 money good idea but its probly not happening. In the long run the atleast 8000 dollar difference just doesnt make alot of sense.
as far as the front, an unequal a arm coil over setup with penske or koni coil overs would be much better. strut suspensions are used for cost effectiveness and most lowering springs are just a pain. they also lose their vertical load effectiveness base on positioning, have positive camber gain problems and you have to increase the tire scrub radius the bigger the tires and wheels are. even though a strut has good roll center characteristics if done right that is negated by the other factors.
bottom line ive ridden in 03 cobras with everything under the sun done to the irs and front suspension and ive ridden in a 289 66 with progressive coil springs, a cobra automotive traction link, 200lb leaf springs, new bushings and bilstein shocks from cobra automotive that drove much better imo. maybe its driving style but I consider myself a good racer and i know what i want out of a car and the biggest thing I know about a good chassis or suspension is that less is always more.
Easttenmotors, seriously man, you've gottta get out more. There is so much more in the automotive world than "built to a price domestics" Ever ridden in a newish BMW Merc, Porsche, Audi, hell, even an Aussie 4 door falcon. All have IRS systems that will put a domestic live axle to shame. A live axle is 1920s technology. It does what is required, but is not, by any strech of the imagination, superior to a well designed IRS. OK, flame away.
I stick to what i said, unless you are driving a hipo mid/rear engine car or a formula style race car give me a live axle any day because the benefits so so so outway the fact taht a live axle is not new technology. I am saying that besides the examles i have stated mid engine gt40 replicar and various scca formula cars. that i have never driven an irs that feels nearly as good to me as a live axle. I have always prefered the feeling you get its like manual steering vs power, some like it some dont. I know some people who wont race without power assist but i love the crisp feel of manual steering and brakes for that matter you just feel the car better.
ps a gt 500 would look better speeding by you on the highway than in a museum never to be driven again, thats just a waste
I'm not saying I wouldn't want a GT500 but when was the last time you saw one period. It was probably on a trailer, or worse yet inside a trailer (so you didn't even see it). At best it was a car show and not speeding down the highway. Who's gonna drive a rare car worth a couple hundred grand down the highway. And an original GT500 wouldn't be able to "speed" past me anyway. My car will out accelerate, out corner and out brake an original GT500 at a fraction of the cost and I won't cry near as long when my car gets a door ding or somebody steels my wheels. I'm not insulted, I did'nt build my car so you would like it or even care but I'm not posting on here how much I don't like what you did (or didn't do) to your car, that's all.
eattenmotors, don't get me wrong, I like the feel from time to time of a classic Mustang. Sometimes it is tough to beat the feel of pushing a classic Mustang to its handling limits. I will agree with you though, it is a whole different feel. The best situation is to be lucky enough to have multiple Mustangs, both classic and late model. So, when you get used to, or heaven forbid, bored, with one, just jump in the other one and take it for a ride.
tarafield your right a shelby is nice but pricey and you can build alot better mustang now a days.you can ask any mustang purist you put anything on the car that it didnt come from the factory with its a restomod.
ive never seen a true gt-500 except the 2007 gt 500 and my god that thing throws you back in the seats.
your car most likely is better cuz its 40 years newer and obviously not on a budget build, ford could have put a 427 sohc in the gt 500 and smoked any stock car with its 618hp, but then again a cammer back in the day cost as much as most cars, $2,500.
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