Ok, so glen is gone. May I suggest that the powers that be try and find another mod who is well versed in relatively un-modded classics? While I can understand that highly modded mustangs appeal to many, it doesnt to me. I can appreciate peole putting EFI in a mustang and even put wings on it if they want, but to keep the faction of us who doesnt want a highly modded car, its tough to be a part of this site unless we have someone with the knowledge base of keeping it original and frequently posting,
Let,s move on, folks. It sucks if you liked glen, but its his choice to post or not post anymore. I wish he would post, but in the meantime, we need someone who represents classics. No offense to the current mod, who i think is doing a good job, but we just don't have much in common when it comes to our cars. We be nice to have a good balance in classics between restomods and non-restomods.
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So are you saying you want another moderator, or just another member to "step up" and fill Glen's shoes as a restoration guru, while James W holds down the restomod side of things? Its going to be hard to replace the knowledge Glen has if he does decide that he does not want to post here anymore, but there are other members that are knowledgeable when it comes to "stock" parts on our classics, just ask questions and you will, more often than not, get answers.
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you guys miss the point that a moderator doesnt have to have any specific feelings towards these cars. they are moderators to patrol the section, to keep things running smoothly (moving spam or flaming posts, etc).
it kinda irks me that i made myself sound like i was bashing glen in the process of me defending the staffs decision on this matter - that was not my goal. i did NOT want to see glen removed, i really didnt. also, maybe i shouldnt have brought down a few posts from the mod section, but i did to show the people that didnt want to believe glen wasnt being a "team player" so to speak.
in the end, i am sad to see glen is not a mod. i will be even more upset by this whole thing if he chooses to leave the group entirely....... because as someone else has already said, the love of the cars is whats supposed to keep you around, not the power of being a mod.
I agree that Soaring may not be the best moderator, and I respect the decision of the other mods. The mods are being compared to police, the police tell me to slow down or to wear my seatbelt not that they don't like the car that I drive. For that reason I think he should step down.
I don't know the rest of the story, and don't care to.
I DO hope that Soaring stays here to share his knowledge. It would be a shame to lose him.
Glen, stay for your love of the Mustang. You don't need to be a moderator to be a big help to the forum.
you guys miss the point that a moderator doesnt have to have any specific feelings towards these cars. they are moderators to patrol the section, to keep things running smoothly (moving spam or flaming posts, etc).
I'm not sure that it's possible to moderate without introducing some of your own slant to things. And just like in a newspaper or magazine editorial, how something is said is frequently at least as important as what is said. Or what isn't said at all. Since none of us are machines or work by pure cold logic alone, an effect to the overall character that a forum takes on is inevitable. There is some concern that this forum could end up leaning a little too far in the pro-modify direction.
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norm,
i believe everyone here could be considered "big boys" (well, almost everyone here ), and as such can form their own opinions on what their plans are for their cars..... we are all old enough to know what we want.
i also believe that if there is any "leaning" towards a certain direction as to restoration, it will be due to the group as a whole and not because of one or two moderators.
personally, if i had a "special" classic i would want to keep it original. something like a BOSS 302, BOSS 429, Shelby, maybe even a mach 1 - but if it were a "regular" classic i would not feel as bad about doing certain mods. on a more personal level my II was a sixxer and when im done will be kinda sorta a cobra clone - but eventually i would like to find a 78 king cobra t-top car and i would restore that to being original because of what it is.
anyways, theres my take on the whole resto-mod thing - which again, was not why soaring left as a mod.
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so norm, youre concerned that JamesW, or whoever else joins the MF staff to moderate this section will begin insulting members who decide to keep the stock seats, wheels, or engine components? i would be surprised, to say the least, although that had become common from glen. Again, we arent looking for moderators who dont have opinions, but more so, we are looking for moderators who are willing to work a part of a team, and who can voice their opinion with some tact.
hornblower, im sorry that my attempts to keep this thread civil arent to your liking, but i have left it open (even when asked to close it by several members) specifically for the purpose of continuing the discussion. my "threats" were an attempt to keep the discussion calm.
As this site has grown, many of our more active sections have gotten more than one moderator, as we (the admin) cannot possibly expect volunteers to be here every waking moment, so we like to have multiple moderators in place so that there is a better chance of having one online all of the time. Glen chose to view adding a moderator to his section as an insult, even though our cause for doing so was some personal issues in glens life which caused him to disappear for a few days, months ago. We then began looking for additional moderators for this section, and JamesW was chosen partially because he is a restomod guy. Soaring was not at all a fan of that style of mustang, so having James on board would allow for a "voice" for the restomod guys. Lately, we were continuing to consider additional moderators for this section, with which glen was helping.
There are still several people being considered, some of which were with glen's recommendations, and with his decision to leave, there will obviously be someone added in the coming weeks.
My inbox is still open, for anyone who wants to discuss this further.
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I'm a newbie on this site but I don't have a problem saying that I won't particularly miss him if he's gone. Didn't exactly get a warm welcome from him, more attitude than anything else and that tends to lead to less posting by members who may feel intimidated by it. Sometimes it's good to take a break and get some perspective.
I'm not sure that it's possible to moderate without introducing some of your own slant to things.
I totally disagree. The forum has rules, the moderator makes sure those rules are followed. Period.
If they also want to be a contributing member, then that's great. But every other comment (not related to keep order and inforcing the rules) that a mod makes should weigh no more than anything any other member says. Thus, they're "slant on things" is no more important that any other member's slant.
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you guys miss the point that a moderator doesnt have to have any specific feelings towards these cars. they are moderators to patrol the section, to keep things running smoothly (moving spam or flaming posts, etc).
I'm not sure that it's possible to moderate without introducing some of your own slant to things. And just like in a newspaper or magazine editorial, how something is said is frequently at least as important as what is said. Or what isn't said at all. Since none of us are machines or work by pure cold logic alone, an effect to the overall character that a forum takes on is inevitable. There is some concern that this forum could end up leaning a little too far in the pro-modify direction.
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I understand what you are saying Norm. Last year in the S197 V6 section, an uproar arose because there was only one Moderator (Professor Wizard) for the entire S197 section, and he drives a GT. The 4.0L V6 members wanted balance by having one of their own on staff. That happened when SOLDSHORT (who has a black S197 V6 Stang) & I were asked to become Section Moderators. Since then, the three of us have been running our section fairly cleanly (knocking on wood as I type). Having three Mods has been a great situation, cuz we go online at different times, and it spreads the workload. The Admins recently "hired" another GT-owning member to become a S197 Section Mod cuz Prf Wiz has been tending to personal matters.
My point is that changes happen here with the staff. I'm sure that another Classic Section Moderator (or two) will be "hired" to spread the workload in terms of managing the section (removing SPAM, stopping conflicts, etc). But it might be best to let things settle before the Admins look over members' resumes. Finding a replacement (or two) for "Glen the Moderator" will not be difficult - he/they will be chosen from the Classic ranks. Hopefully, "Glen the Tech" will hang around so the rest of the members are not forced to fill those shoes in his absence.
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They might as well just delete this whole god damn pissing match of a thread. He wasn't nice to his "bosses" or to other "employees" and he got "fired". The same would happen at a regular job. There's nothing we can do about it and apparently Soaring doesn't want to have anything to do with it, so let the topic die.
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wondering why the word . . . c o l l e c t i v e . . . . doesn't pass the censor???
btw, norm, what happened is that some good guys opened a new, competing mustang site, but some of their childish members took it upon themselves to come to this site causing problems, spamming on the behalf of that site...so it was filtered. some people just dont have anything better to do with their time than be trolls. it must be nice.
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so norm, youre concerned that JamesW, or whoever else joins the MF staff to moderate this section will begin insulting members who decide to keep the stock seats, wheels, or engine components? i would be surprised, to say the least, although that had become common from glen.
I don't expect that at all. What I'm looking at is the more subtle change that could come from a smaller influence from a knowledgeable keep-it-original point of view. Just your choice or words when you answer something even when sticking 100% to topic can convey an unwritten personal opinion. As can a reluctance to respond to certain topics even though they're outside your own experience and realm of expertise and you don't feel qualified to comment. And since moderators represent forum management, their attitudes whether spoken or not do tend to carry more weight than do, say, mine. Not officially of course, but it's there. Kind of like sitting in the jury box during voir dire and responding to the query as to whether you give greater weight to law enforcement personnel testimony (to hang onto the same analogy). Most people say they don't, but everybody knows it's almost always a different story when it comes right down to it. It's human nature.
This certainly isn't intended as poking a stick at JamesW or anybody else. And unless I've quietly gone senile over the last couple of months, JamesW shouldn't think I would either.
6T8 - "taking a break" - that's what I was getting at by "letting the dust settle". All around might be a good idea.
This is taking a while, and I know there have been a few posts in the meantime. So I'll hit 'submit' now and see where this has gone . . .
wondering why the word . . . c o l l e c t i v e . . . . doesn't pass the censor???
btw, norm, what happened is that some good guys opened a new, competing mustang site, but some of their childish members took it upon themselves to come to this site causing problems, spamming on the behalf of that site...so it was filtered. some people just dont have anything better to do with their time than be trolls. it must be nice.
hahahaha...what a suprise. Can't say I am shocked.
oh yea, and, no, this is not about what you said, it is about what I said. Nice to see nothing has changed.
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So, although most the members of the classic section were able to accept Glen's brash style because we valued his knowledge and passion for older mustangs, the other staff/moderators (most of which don't even seem to own a mustang, let alone a classic) were not able to. It's said this forum is a business, so looks like ol' Glen just didn't fit into that mold anymore. Personally I viewed the hiring of James as a fair way to represent the restomod croud, but without Glen & his passion for stock/original cars, there goes the balance. I guess it's tougher to sell many of the sponsorers products if owner's are keeping things stock.
Last comment. Pretty freaking lame of all the mods to post on Soaring's "goodbye" thread to tell everone their reasons for firing him, especially those who had some dirt to share. Maybe one of you could have stated anyone who wants to know more could pm you and leave it at that. Or start another thread after the dust settles. Not too cool.
This forum just lost a key component. It will not be the same.
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while I CAN'T say anything good about glen..I'm not going to bash him.....what I am going to say is if a new mod is selected they need to have either a mustang or a big interest in them..we don't need another camaro mod as it has and does cause flair ups... we don't need a mod aka school teacher type..like before. A mod should also contribute to the ford family..just my 2 cents
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So, although most the members of the classic section were able to accept Glen's brash style because we valued his knowledge and passion for older mustangs, the other staff/moderators (most of which don't even seem to own a mustang, let alone a classic) were not able to. It's said this forum is a business, so looks like ol' Glen just didn't fit into that mold anymore. Personally I viewed the hiring of James as a fair way to represent the restomod croud, but without Glen & his passion for stock/original cars, there goes the balance. I guess it's tougher to sell many of the sponsorers products if owner's are keeping things stock.
Last comment. Pretty freaking lame of all the mods to post on Soaring's "goodbye" thread to tell everone their reasons for firing him, especially those who had some dirt to share. Maybe one of you could have stated anyone who wants to know more could pm you and leave it at that. Or start another thread after the dust settles. Not too cool.
This forum just lost a key component. It will not be the same.
i think that ive said that in this thread now, 13 or 14 times...and ive not gotten a single PM from anyone, except for people thanking me for removing glens powers.
also, i am the only non-mustang owning member of the staff right now, with the exceptin of jd1969 who just sold his.
so, i have to ask, as there have been continued requests to close this thread...since people dont seem to care for my obviously strict means of doing things, ill leave it upto the group...is there a second to lock this thread?
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), and as such can form their own opinions on what their plans are for their cars..... we are all old enough to know what we want. 
