I will be removed as the mod of this section shortly.I have enjoyed conversing with all of you for these many years, but it seems I am no longer useful to this site because of my opinions regarding restomods. You guys take care and keep those Mustangs running.

edit - As a RESTOMODDER, I have taken no offense, you have your opinion. You have a lot to offer the group. I don't know what else to say...

I would like to thank glen for his time and efforts here and let him know that he will always be welcome here as a member.

Anyone who would like to discuss this situation with me, you are welcome to PM me and I would be happy to discuss it, but it was a decision based on long discussions between Glen and the administration of the site.

Glen, should you opt to leave the site, good luck with your personal life and thank you for your time here at MF.

Well Glen, I'd like to see you stick around as a member here, as I'm sure most would. [sm=smiley31.gif]

Thanks for your efforts Glen. It's too bad your opinions and views were so drastic. I'm sure your knowledge and insight to the classic community will be missed.

Glen... Thank you for all the time and effort you have put into this site. Although we frequently didn't see eye to eye on certain things, I always appreciated your time spent here and effort involved in creating an outstanding Classic section. We'd like to see you stick around on the forum.

Good luck!!

BTW, Glen was not removed as a section mod because of his opnions, but how he treated others, members and moderators alike,while voicing them.

Amanda

Sorry to hear that, I hope you stay on as a member. In my short membership tenure I have seen many posts by you and all were helpful. I don't see why it matters that you are a restorer v. a resto-modder, but I'm sure I don't know the whole history.

Anyway, I wish you the best!

Edit: I did have a long rant about how somebody shouldn't be punished because of their opinions but I posted that before I got a chance to read one of the administrators' post's above. Anyways
thank youSoaring for all the help you have given to me and others, I hope you remain a member of MF's and continue to help people as much as you do already. Good luck!

WOW ! I'm not sure I ever saw one of your posts that was " drastic". I saw a few that were certainly your opinion, just like everyone elses'. I certainly don't agree with the decision , but....

As for the administrators of the site, it's their site and I guess they can do as they please. I don't have the authority to challenge their decision making process, but I question it. Anything Glen might have written would certainly pale in comparison to the things written in the other sections of this forum.

Good luck and Godspeed if you leave the forums.

JMHO, Dean

Holy cripes Glen. For crying out loud, do not leave the board. You are now liberated and free to express your opinions. ;) Seriously,thanks for the good times. Here's hoping more. [sm=icon_cheers.gif]

[edit] typo

Man...didn't see that one coming.

Well Glen, I really hope you stick around. We never got to meet, and hopefully you'll stay in touch with us here. Especially so next year I can drive down to Austin and go to the MOCA show.

Glen,
When I first encountered you "stile” I didn't like what I saw, but now after getting to know why you are so passionate about these cars in original form I understand it, and because of YOU respect that opinion. I will say this; prior to encountering you I felt that the only reason to not "upgrade" a Mustang to a more modern configuration was a shortage of time or money. You have opened my eyes and for that I am eternally grateful. I hope you stick around so that other like my self, blinded by the glitter of things new and efficient, can see the value and beauty in a complete original car.

I'm with you, gothand.....Stay and feel free to continue to express your opinion. Not once did I view anything Glen shared as abrasive. EVERYONE has a right to their opinion here. Don't we seek people's "opinions" here? I do...and take it all in....and sort through the ones I agree with, and the ones I don't. Where's the harm? Anyway...stick around Glen...I always valued your opinions, whether or not they were what I wanted to hear...

I would like to reiterate that soaring was NOT removed for his views on any specific types of vehicles, but due to some personal issues 'behind the scenes' between himself and a few other moderators. Some may have seen the post in this section prior to it being removed.

For a website of this size to run smoothly, it is important for the moderators to work together, and that had become an issue. I just wanted everyone to understand that glen's opinions on restomods had NOTHING to do with the mutual decision for him to step down as a moderator.

Thank you very much!
Glen, I am sorry to hear that you are stepping down (or being forced). You have put tons of time and knowledge into this site and even straightened a few of out when we needed it. Some people just don't understand. The classic section won't be the same without your moderator skills but, hopefully you will hang out here and if you don't leta few of us know.... the way i see it is I am definately up for some golf next time around (the MOCCA Show I will be ready this time)... There are not many people who will let a bunch of motor heads come over:D.

I really like how you have more post then any other moderator:D

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glen! dont leave! ive learned so much from you!!!

This sucks. I really hope you dont leave, but I guess I cant blame you if you do. Thank you VERY, VERY much for all of the help that you have given me in the short time that I have been a member.

I dont know what the issues were, so I cant pass blame or judgement in any direction, but this site may havejust lost one of its most knowledgeable members, I hope it was worth it.

did I miss the political section? I thought this was a Mustang website.

[&:] wow?

The whole thing is a crock of ****.

Politics suck!!! and it seems as if crybabies :(rule today...... Sad....

I will miss you Glen, and likewise with many other posters I hope you remain as a member....... and give em hell...

(Coup d'état successful,,, nice move....)

As always, Soaring's knowledge and input are welcome in the Section. He's always quick to help the newbies and support those trying to figure things out.

I hope you will stay and continue to be a contributing member.

crusty, opinionated, blunt, passionate, stubborn - i thought all texicans were like that:D

I also want to add my thanks, Glen -for sharing the knowledge and the passion. I have learnt more about Mustangs in a year on this forum than i have in 10 years of ownership. You have contributed enormously to that.

Add me to the list who would prefer you stick around. If you choose not to, I will support your decision too.
cheers
Ben

ORIGINAL: JMD

The whole thing is a crock of ****.

Politics suck!!! and it seems as if crybabies :(rule today...... Sad....

I will miss you Glen, and likewise with many other posters I hope you remain as a member....... and give em hell...

(Coup d'état successful,,, nice move....)


Most certainly is.

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

Thanks for your efforts Glen. It's too bad your opinions and views were so drastic. I'm sure your knowledge and insight to the classic community will be missed.


That is what America is all about today, suppression of "drastic views", don't have any of your own do you?

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

Thanks for your efforts Glen. It's too bad your opinions and views were so drastic. I'm sure your knowledge and insight to the classic community will be missed.


What drastic views, that he likes a classic mustang to be what it is classic. If people are too much of cry babies that they can't take an opinion thenperhaps a no opinion policy should be implemented (complete sarcasm)What do you know about his opinions and views anyways, i don't recall seeing you in here. I thought it was not about opinions and views anyways?

glen, i really hope you stick around dude. like i had stated in the moderator section no matter any differences we may have ever had i have always respected your opinion.

to everyone else, you have to realize that there are always politics involved in every aspect of everything everywhere. glen has had pretty deep rooted clashes with some (pretty much all) of the administration here for quite some time. that is why this is all going down, not because of his resto-mod bashing - although that sore spot has stirred the pot and created some temper flying arguements between glen and the rest of the staff here.

i hope he sticks around, i hope everybody understands why it happened, and most of all i want glen to know i got love for ya no matter what you decide.

ORIGINAL: JMD

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

Thanks for your efforts Glen. It's too bad your opinions and views were so drastic. I'm sure your knowledge and insight to the classic community will be missed.


That is what America is all about today, suppression of "drastic views", don't have any of your own do you?


too bad you never got to see the REAL glenn in the mod room

ORIGINAL: JamesW

As always, Soaring's knowledge and input are welcome in the Section. He's always quick to help the newbies and support those trying to figure things out.

I hope you will stay and continue to be a contributing member.


If I had an opinion that you kind of "set things up" to meet the end of Glen's removal bythe posting ofyour thread welcoming "Mr. EFI" to the forum, would it be acceptable for me to say so,,, hypothetically of course....;)

Things were beginning tochill out before that thread........ in case no one noticed......

you know, you guys act like everybody was out to get the guy. well, actually, nobody was out to get him at all. there are some things that go on in the forum that are not readily viewed by the non-moderators. I've had the hammer dropped on me a couple times by admin and other mods, and nobody ever tried to erase me from the website out of spite, and that's certainly not what happened here. as a member of the moderator team, I can promise you guys that there is absolutely no hostility towards one another (except when acer PM's me pictures of his weenie).

Soaring, I really enjoyed our in-depth discussions about douchebags, I wish you luck in future travels to foreign places, ya old grump. don't take this **** too seriously, it's just the internet. :D

ORIGINAL: nanaki

ORIGINAL: JMD

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

Thanks for your efforts Glen. It's too bad your opinions and views were so drastic. I'm sure your knowledge and insight to the classic community will be missed.


That is what America is all about today, suppression of "drastic views", don't have any of your own do you?


too bad you never got to see the REAL glenn in the mod room

Was that the "real you" I met in the street/strip section? You are right though, none of us have time or patience for an opinionated old man do we....

ORIGINAL: nanaki

ORIGINAL: JMD

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

Thanks for your efforts Glen. It's too bad your opinions and views were so drastic. I'm sure your knowledge and insight to the classic community will be missed.


That is what America is all about today, suppression of "drastic views", don't have any of your own do you?


too bad you never got to see the REAL glenn in the mod room



We got to know him in this section and appreciate him, minus a few ***holes that don't. The real Glen in here is fine by me. this a forum for discussion not for politics... and politics are what this has become.

I like the way this thread was setup like you moderators actually care.

If you should leave MF, good luck. Thanks for all your help and information.
Nic

ORIGINAL: Ride Of The Month

I would like to reiterate that soaring was NOT removed for his views on any specific types of vehicles, but due to some personal issues 'behind the scenes' between himself and a few other moderators. Some may have seen the post in this section prior to it being removed.

For a website of this size to run smoothly, it is important for the moderators to work together, and that had become an issue. I just wanted everyone to understand that glen's opinions on restomods had NOTHING to do with the mutual decision for him to step down as a moderator.

*sighs*

too bad you never got to see the REAL glenn in the mod room


ya know, maybe it would be wise for one of the admins to post a few replys by glen in the mod section so everyone else could see what the staff is talking about

ORIGINAL: JMD

ORIGINAL: nanaki

ORIGINAL: JMD

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

Thanks for your efforts Glen. It's too bad your opinions and views were so drastic. I'm sure your knowledge and insight to the classic community will be missed.


That is what America is all about today, suppression of "drastic views", don't have any of your own do you?


too bad you never got to see the REAL glenn in the mod room

Was that the "real you" I met in the street/strip section? You are right though, none of us have time or patience for an opinionated old man do we....


hahaha! you'll have to be more specific. i'm an asshole to a lot of people. you sound just as old and senile as glenn. you all need to quit taking it like your wife just left you for another man. it's a forum.

seriously, who cares about the staff? Is this forum for you? I realize decisions need to be made but you are going about it in thre wrong manner

ORIGINAL: nanaki

............you all need to quit taking it like your wife just left you for another man. it's a forum.



for the win

I would like to thank you for all the work and help you have provided me and others. I hope to see you stick around as a regular member and continue to provide your input on the boards.

If you do not and move on to another site please provide contact/web info via PM if you wish, it would be good to know where to HIT you up for info, thanks again.

ORIGINAL: 66JameStang

ORIGINAL: nanaki

ORIGINAL: JMD

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

Thanks for your efforts Glen. It's too bad your opinions and views were so drastic. I'm sure your knowledge and insight to the classic community will be missed.


That is what America is all about today, suppression of "drastic views", don't have any of your own do you?


too bad you never got to see the REAL glenn in the mod room



We got to know him in this section and appreciate him, minus a few ***holes that don't. The real Glen in here is fine by me. this a forum for discussion not for politics... and politics are what this has become.

I like the way this thread was setup like you moderators actually care.


glenn started this thread knowing full well his nut swingers would bad mouth and trash talk the mods and admins, and back him up to stay. glenn's going to wake up tomorrow, open his windows, and see there's a whole new world out there.

ORIGINAL: nanaki

ORIGINAL: JMD

ORIGINAL: nanaki

ORIGINAL: JMD

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

Thanks for your efforts Glen. It's too bad your opinions and views were so drastic. I'm sure your knowledge and insight to the classic community will be missed.


That is what America is all about today, suppression of "drastic views", don't have any of your own do you?


too bad you never got to see the REAL glenn in the mod room

Was that the "real you" I met in the street/strip section? You are right though, none of us have time or patience for an opinionated old man do we....


hahaha! you'll have to be more specific. i'm an asshole to a lot of people. you sound just as old and senile as glenn. you all need to quit taking it like your wife just left you for another man. it's a forum.



You got my vote for asshole of the month.

Just so everyone knows where I stand,,, I know this forum is a private enterprise, I think it should be run at the discretion of the owners/management, and whatever is done to make the forum work like management thinks itshouldwork is all part of business,but from my point of view I just think that this decision sucks. Just so I don't get banned, I will say that I have said about everything I want to regarding this subject,,, (unless provoked).. :D

ORIGINAL: 65StangFB

seriously, who cares about the staff? Is this forum for you? I realize decisions need to be made but you are going about it in thre wrong manner


You know maybe you don't care about the staff, but he was more then just a staff member he was a huge contributer... do I care about the staff not really, but if this ends up with glen leaving then you are not just losig a staff member (which most have no interaction in here anyway) we are losing an asset and a friend. Most of them could not possibly know how much he contributes, because all they care about is the crap....

god i hope i dont get in trouble for posting things said in the mod section, but here goes....

these are parts of posts made recently by glen, in a discussion started by staff asking him to not crap on other moderators in open forums

"I didn/t pick JamesW as my assistant. I do not like the guy and I have seen his car up close. I am also a volunteer. Get the hell out of my face."

and

"Come into my world, and I will teach you something, Otherwise, shut the **** up."

that is the attitude the admins here got fed up with dealing with. that is also the way conversations have gone between glen and the staff here for as long as i have been a moderator and have had access to that section.

again, admins please dont bust my balls for posting that stuff but maybe it will help people understand why its happening.

Seems to me that the moderators are taking the low road, why don't you just let people vent?

ORIGINAL: nanaki

ORIGINAL: 66JameStang

ORIGINAL: nanaki

ORIGINAL: JMD

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

Thanks for your efforts Glen. It's too bad your opinions and views were so drastic. I'm sure your knowledge and insight to the classic community will be missed.


That is what America is all about today, suppression of "drastic views", don't have any of your own do you?


too bad you never got to see the REAL glenn in the mod room



We got to know him in this section and appreciate him, minus a few ***holes that don't. The real Glen in here is fine by me. this a forum for discussion not for politics... and politics are what this has become.

I like the way this thread was setup like you moderators actually care.


glenn started this thread knowing full well his nut swingers would bad mouth and trash talk the mods and admins, and back him up to stay. glenn's going to wake up tomorrow, open his windows, and see there's a whole new world out there.



I am sure you all knew about it too being that you would not be in here otherwise.... and oh wait moderators were the first to post which is funny cause i usually only see two in here.... Planned perhaps....

oh and btw,
he was asked if he could just cool down and play ball and he basically said no. that was his decision
he was given the opportunity to make a post stating that he would be resigning and he choose to word it in a way to intentionally stir up trouble.

66 obviously the mods knew about this before any of the regulars on the site, thats how things work (glen was very active in the decision to be removed, as can be seen by some of his qoutes i posted above)

I haven't been here long but have to admit I've made a habit of scrolling past his posts - and it's a shame because I'm sure he does have a wealth of knowledge. Maybe this can be a lesson learned for all - stick to the subject and take the opinions, jabs and sarcasm somewhere else. I'm sure there are many like myself here who are looking for facts and knowledge, and simply don't have the time to scroll through the crap. I tip my hat to those in charge for keeping control of such a fine website.

ORIGINAL: my77stang

god i hope i dont get in trouble for posting things said in the mod section, but here goes....

these are parts of posts made recently by glen, in a discussion started by staff asking him to not crap on other moderators in open forums

"I didn/t pick JamesW as my assistant. I do not like the guy and I have seen his car up close. I am also a volunteer. Get the hell out of my face."

and

"Come into my world, and I will teach you something, Otherwise, shut the **** up."

that is the attitude the admins here got fed up with dealing with. that is also the way conversations have gone between glen and the staff here for as long as i have been a moderator and have had access to that section.

again, admins please dont bust my balls for posting that stuff but maybe it will help people understand why its happening.



I don't recall seeing anything in here like this so that is all your fault for bringing it in here and was uncalled for. I am starting to think this was thought of when another mod was picked... gettting rid of glen that is.....

ORIGINAL: nanaki

hahaha! you'll have to be more specific. i'm an asshole to a lot of people. you sound just as old and senile as glenn. you all need to quit taking it like your wife just left you for another man. it's a forum.



1st Bold = Yep,,,

2nd Bold = So WTF are you posting here about this issue? It must be so un-important to you that you have made the first post I have ever seen in this section..... Duh.............. I hope your foot is clean...... (13,000 posts,,, total,,,, and I have not seen even one in the classic section prior to this thread,, ;) :D:D)

quit it with the conspiracy theories guys
simple fact - Glen sh*t the bed now he has to lie in it. We dont have to like the decision, butGlen can still contribute as a member if he chooses to do so. If he sees the support and chooses not to contribute, that's his loss as much as ours.

james, of course you dont recall seing that posted in here. i pulled that from the discussion with glen and the staff regarding his actions and weather or not he wanted to stay on as a mod and play ball with the people that run this site. it was posted to show you guys the side of glen the staff have had to deal with.

Well no matter what happened behind the scenes this still sucks,

Thanks for all the help you have given to anyone who asked a question . Hope to see you around

ORIGINAL: JMD

ORIGINAL: nanaki

hahaha! you'll have to be more specific. i'm an asshole to a lot of people. you sound just as old and senile as glenn. you all need to quit taking it like your wife just left you for another man. it's a forum.



1st Bold = Yep,,,

2nd Bold = So WTF are you posting here about this issue? It must be so un-important to you that you have made the first post I have ever seen in this section..... Duh.............. I hope your foot is clean......


meh.. not worth my time. we'll just say you win, cause i don't want to get into a pissing contest. you're "out for blood" it seems. :D

Classless, completely classless!!!!!

66, quite the opposite. I was commenting on a moderator. I didnt agree with lot Glen said, but saw the extreme value in aving his opinion. The Auburn Tiger mentioned above about this not being a site for opinions, but look at all the topics, people are wanting opinions and alternatives for completing projects with their mustangs.

ORIGINAL: 65StangFB

66, quite the opposite. I was commenting on a moderator. I didnt agree with lot Glen said, but saw the extreme value in aving his opinion. The Auburn Tiger mentioned above about this not being a site for opinions, but look at all the topics, people are wanting opinions and alternatives for completing projects with their mustangs.

Not entirely true. If it's an opinion thread, it's an opinion thread. But if it's a thread regarding specific details of a restoration, etc. it, in my opinion, should be a thread without opinions or jabs. That's all. It's obvious not everyone here is interested in the 100% to-the-detail restoration and that is fine. I have owned four previous Mustangs that were not, or even close to 100% correct. My current project is one that attention is being paid to as many details as possible, therefore opinions & jabs just waste time when looking for accurate answers.

I want to thank soaring, I think he posted in just about every topic I started.

I think Soaring is a big boy and he knew what he was doing and what would come of it and made his decision. I tip my hat to you sir.

I think the moderators have gone the wrong way about this thread and it should probably be shut down especially with posts from the mod section in here where I don't believe they should be.

If he can be treated fairly as a meber I'd love to see him stay and if not then Thank you again soaring.

Thats it really.

i cant go to dinner with my wife without things turning into pissing matches...:eek:

anyone who has a problem with how things are done, is welcomed, even encourged, to PM me and I will discuss the situation.

Thank you.

Speaking strictly for myself, I'll say that I hope Glen sticks around as a contributing member. His knowledge of classic Mustangs will be sorely missed if he choses to stay away. But understand that Glen behaved badly (I'm putting it nicely), and he refused to apologize for something that EVERYBODY agreed was way over the line of acceptable conduct from a Moderator. Had a regular member done the same thing, they would have been banned. So the only recourse was to remove his Mod powers. Glen knows he is welcome to stay here as a regularmember, and again, I hope he does.

To the conspiracy theorists, there was nothing convoluted involved. JamesW was "hired" a while back to bring a balance to the section for those members who like their classics hotter than factory specs. That balance is now temporarily outa whack.

[sm=patriot.gif]?

enough said.

ORIGINAL: Soaring

I will be removed as the mod of this section shortly.I have enjoyed conversing with all of you for these many years, but it seems I am no longer useful to this site because of my opinions regarding restomods. You guys take care and keep those Mustangs running.


"Oh my God! They fired Glen!"

"You bastards!!!"



Okay, my South Park reference for the day is up.

That kinda sucks. I kinda enjoyed your opinions on the restomods Glen. I thought they were all downright truthful, most of the time.

Oh well. Opinions are like assholes, everyone's gotone.Tis a shame.

Unfortunately, I know they wouldn't have done this without good reason, so I will say this. I hope Glen sticks around. As much as people didn't like his opinion (if that ain't the understatement of the year, I don't know what is!)on resto-mods, he was EXTREMELY knowledgable when it came to classics.

ORIGINAL: JMD

ORIGINAL: JamesW

As always, Soaring's knowledge and input are welcome in the Section. He's always quick to help the newbies and support those trying to figure things out.

I hope you will stay and continue to be a contributing member.


If I had an opinion that you kind of "set things up" to meet the end of Glen's removal bythe posting ofyour thread welcoming "Mr. EFI" to the forum, would it be acceptable for me to say so,,, hypothetically of course....;)

Things were beginning tochill out before that thread........ in case no one noticed......


Funny... I never even thought about putting those two events together. Corky (MrClassicEFI) is a regular on several of the other classic boards and whom I know personally. I was glad to see him join the group and provide more insight into the efi world. We were building our cars about the same time and I learned a lot from him, He did some very slick things to his fastback. The 'take a position on the line' was directed at the ongoing debate over efi's.... not about people.

My final comment on this subject: I hold no ill will against Soaring and I have always respected his position on classic mustangs. What I did not appreciate was his personal attacks on members for their views. Debate is healthy...but ridicule is over the top. But it wasn't even that which forced his Mod position to be revoked. Moderators are referees. They are traffic cops. They are janitors. They are not censors and they do not own the content of the section.

I, for one, hope Glen stays. I'm a complete newbie and his knowledge, as well response to everyone topic/question I have posed, cannot be replaced. Glen, thank you so much for your help, advice and guidance. DO NOT leave.

Hey Glen I just got here, and we havent had a chance to get to know each other. I hope you'll stick around/ come back as a member.

Corky Pittsenberger

I'm sure its been said over and over, but Glen thanks for everything. I hope you still stay around a member because you really do help a lot of people as well as myself. You're a good guy, so I hope you stick around.

Best of luck to you,
David

ORIGINAL: my77stang

god i hope i dont get in trouble for posting things said in the mod section, but here goes....

these are parts of posts made recently by glen, in a discussion started by staff asking him to not crap on other moderators in open forums

"I didn/t pick JamesW as my assistant. I do not like the guy and I have seen his car up close. I am also a volunteer. Get the hell out of my face."

and

"Come into my world, and I will teach you something, Otherwise, shut the **** up."

that is the attitude the admins here got fed up with dealing with. that is also the way conversations have gone between glen and the staff here for as long as i have been a moderator and have had access to that section.

again, admins please dont bust my balls for posting that stuff but maybe it will help people understand why its happening.



Alright. I finally read thru most of this thread and I wanted to add something here. I've been gone for some time and no longer have my classic stang or any other stang for that matter so I don't care if there are reprecussions for my statement here.

Look at what Glen said right there. Now, go into OT and takea REAL good look around. The **** he said here is tame compared to the **** flying around in OT. Now, don't get me wrong, I am in no way defending the guy or trying to make a case to keep him here. First of all, what is done is done and second of all. I've seen him act very poorly towards members, especially female members and caused a few members with great insight to resign from the forums. I've also had my spats with the guy and think he can take things quite far a lot of the time.

I digress. He was offered the spot as a moderator by the people who started this forum and pay for all the server space and other fees regarding running a forum and upkeep therein. He should never have spoken that way towards these people here who were kind enough to give him such a hugh stake in this forum and such "powers" here.

Personally, I could give a **** less if Gary Colman or Richard Symmons were the mods here, so I'm not gonna lose any sleep over him being "demoted". You all can continue to cry over him leaving, but there was no reason for his attitude, neither in the open forums or in the mod room. He said a lot of **** about resto-modders, but that's not the reason they asked him to leave. He's caused a bit of trouble in this section and more than we'll know behind closed doors. I haven't been here very long, but I learned early, from a few spats I had with other members, that NONE of the mods/admin are out to get anyone. They aren't gonna ban someone just because. ROTM has a laundry list of people he's banned and I've been here for a lot of them. They all got seriously out of line and continued to do **** they were asked not to, so they got the axe.

Grow up and get over it. Complaining about him being removed as a mod is not gonna change a damn thing. I'm sure the new mod is a good caliber guy if the admin here made him a mod, so deal with it.

I'll be the first to admit that Glen got my goat a few times. I just discounted it as being a typical Texan. They can't help it you know, it's in the water down there. The decision's been made and the fat lady has sung. Hopefully Glen will stick around , if he doesn't... that's his call. It won't change how I do things. Dean

ORIGINAL: 66JameStang
I like the way this thread was setup like you moderators actually care.

What makes you think we don't care? I'm extremely disappointed that it had to come to this. It didn't have to, Glen made the choice by refusing to cooperate. He was given the choice to follow the rules to moderate by, or step down. Apparently he can't follow the same rule that 27 other moderators seem to have no problem with.

Keep in mind, Glen has not been banned, he has only had the ability to edit and remove threads and posts disabled. Everything else is the same.

Glen, I would put you up against anybody in the "Mustang Knowledge" department. I have learned alot from you and sincerely hope you stick around to help the rest of us. I would be curious if most of the poters could meet face to face and see how nicer they would be in person! Its easy to talk trash behind a computer screen!

gay... gay gay gay

Wow! This is like Disneyland. Below the surface are all these tunnels and pipes anddirty sh*t that no one can see.

I have know idea about the inner workings of this site. All I know is that it is an invaluable resourceI senda big thanks you to all those adminisators who make it happen and keep it running.

Glen - you are now free to speak your mind unincumered with staff resposbiliblies. I look fowad to your continuing input.

ORIGINAL: HotRods_n_Booze

ORIGINAL: 66JameStang
I like the way this thread was setup like you moderators actually care.

What makes you think we don't care? I'm extremely disappointed that it had to come to this. It didn't have to, Glen made the choice by refusing to cooperate. He was given the choice to follow the rules to moderate by, or step down. Apparently he can't follow the same rule that 27 other moderators seem to have no problem with.

Keep in mind, Glen has not been banned, he has only had the ability to edit and remove threads and posts disabled. Everything else is the same.



Chris, you know these guys don't listen or read this stuff. They skim thru and make half assed assumptions and start to rant. Very few people here realize what the admin/mods here are really like. I've gotten a LOT of help from most of the mods/admin here. I respect every decision made by them.

Everyone else sees you guys (and gal) like they see cops. They thing they are always out to get someone. Sure there are asshole cops who do, but in general, they aren't like that.

Everyone here who thinks that the mods and admin did this just because, think again. They could have banned my assat least 2 dozen times since I came here, but instead they worked things out with me. The mods and admin here are better than the countless other forums I've been a part of over the years.

EDIT: I do believe I still owe you a beer, Chris. LOL!!!

If the decision was made according to how he treated people, there's a HELL of a lot more housecleaning to do.....

The people with actual knowledge should be given a little more slack. There areguys that are completely clueless that get away with murder, and in so, there is no balance between the positive and negative. So what if a guy is ornery on occasion behind the scenes; for every person that bitched, I'm sure there were 25 he helped....

ORIGINAL: Magiarn71

If the decision was made according to how he treated people, there's a HELL of a lot more housecleaning to do.....

The people with actual knowledge should be given a little more slack. There areguys that are completely clueless that get away with murder, and in so, there is no balance between the positive and negative. So what if a guy is ornery on occasion behind the scenes; for every person that bitched, I'm sure there were 25 he helped....


And a half a dozen or so he's made leave. Mainly women and at least two guys who were very knowledgable and had great insight. Than factor in the tension when there were big blowups between him and mambers regarding the choices they made and how he more than put them down and was outright disrespectful to members (again, namely the women) and than there was the bull**** he gave the very people who let him be such an influencing part of the forums (a mod). Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Who is Nanuk (or whatever his name is) and why is he posting here? Clearly a low class petty individual.

Anyway, Soaring I for one have nothing to say but thank you!!!!! You wisdom, insite and willingness to offer a helping hand is commendable. You know what, petty thin skinned people who have no tollerance for opionions that don't match their own are what's wrong with this country today or that are so sensitive they can't the occassion disagreement or harsh tone/language. To all these sensitive types, grow up and be a man/woman.

"It's too bad your opinions and views were so drastic." Sidewayz6.0-Another person I have never seen a post from on this forum-what was drastic about having your own opinion? I have never seen Glen post anything drastic or outlandish, where did you come from?

Amanda-out of all the mods you seem like the most decent. However, although Glen has come off gruff from time to time, I personally have never witnessed anything drastic or abusive. He has almost always posted some input to any of my questions and I have always appreciated his input and never once been offended.

To the other individual (my77stang) who felt he had to post a couple of select quotes to demonstrate what the other mods had to deal with (right after some other mod said it was a private thing between glen and the othermods)let me just say, boo hoo, did the little baby's feelings get hurt. Get over it. Also presenting only half the story is a cowardly thing to do in my opnion.

Glen started this post to say good buy. I don't recall him bashing any of the other mods in his post, yet, all these other mods, most of which I have never seen a post from, felt the need to come here and clarify what a B**tard Glen is. Cheap and cowardly. (yes you Nanuk and my77stang, sorry if I hurt you wittle feelwings)

People have strong opinions and I on occassion did not agree with some of Glens. However, I respect them. He is a voice of reason in this forum when often the first thing some others recomend toa newb is a tunnel ram triple port quad do dad or some other off the wall stuff.

If the mods had issues w/ Glen and you came to an agreement that he would step down, coming on this post to trash him after, when I have never seen a post from the majority of you before is completely classless.

Glen, you are a gentleman in my eyes. You know what, now and again some people need to be told to go F*** themselves. Don't take no S**t from anyone. Again, thank you sir. And, I for one would like to see you stick around. From a New Yorker, I'd just like to say to all the other mods, Don't Mess with Texas!

I quess I will be asked to step down now too.....:eek:

i have read this thread and that is all i really know of the situation but i agree with coda618 completely .. nicely said [sm=icon_cheers.gif]

These people you are referring to are long standing mods and admin. They may not come in here often to post cause they have their own respective sections to moderate.Forget the fact that he had "disagreements" with members. This came about because he couldn't follow the rules set out for all the mods and he was disrespectful to the mods who let him be a mod here on the site. This isn't because of his opinion on things!

Jebus, does anyone use their head and read before posting here? WTF!

EDIT: Personal flaming removed - 28HopUp

well, i know i havent posted much here, but Ive read up on alot of threads- its how i learned most of what i know!

Glen, you seem like you have a ton of knowledge about everything classic, so I hope you stick around somewhat to lend a hand now and then. If not, enjoy life! and dont ya abandon your mustangs now

ORIGINAL: Clu7ch

Wow, you are a complete tool. These people you are referring to are long standing mods and admin. They may not come in here often to post cause they have their own respective sections to moderate. If you pulled your head out of your ass and actually read what these people are saying you'd understand why this happened. Forget the fact that he had "disagreements" with members. This came about because he couldn't follow the rules set out for all the mods and he was disrespectful to the mods who let him be a mod here on the site. This isn't because of his opinion on things!

Jebus, does anyone use their head and read before posting here? WTF!


people who usually post in here, do read before they post, but its obvious that post whores who wander in and make a thread making fun of Mustang IIs, then make a handful of uninformed comments about the situation clearly do not.

I don't know what else to say here other than. If this forum was a meat world corporation, would Glen have been given this much slack? I say this because this place IS a business and as such needs to run as smooth as possible. Was Glen knowledgeable about classic Mustangs? Absolutely without a doubt, and that is the reason that he was kept around for as long as he was. In the end he was asked to back off a bit on how he was acting and he chose not to, he knew what the outcome of all this would be and still decided to act the way he did. I would like to to re-iterate that this IS NOT about Glens opinions on resto-mods, but about him not being a team player (or even trying to be). You will see a few new faces in the classic section in the coming weeks while we try and find a replacement for Glen, we are not here to pass judgement or change the way things are run here, just to police the section for spam and to move threads that do not belong etc. We will help out on tech questions if we know the answer, but we really need our classic members to help each other out in that dept. I wish no ill towards Glen and hope that stays on as a member.
Thanks for reading this.
JD

dont leave youve helped me out so much

Too bad. With the exception of JamesW, I learned more here from Glen than every other mod here combined. Actually I've never even heard of some of the mods responding.

What a waste.

Wow, ride of the month, if you are referring to me, I am no post whore-to make that statements ignorant. Have you ever read any of my other posts. I think not. I offer as much help and input as I get. And I did not make fun of Mustag II's. IMO they are classic cars as well.

ORIGINAL: 65Raven65

Too bad. With the exception of JamesW, I learned more here from Glen than every other mod here combined. Actually I've never even heard of some of the mods responding.

What a waste.



that would likely be because the mods here, for the most part, have assigned sections and specialty knowledge. There are likely members in the 4.6 section who arent very familiar with glen.

Some of you may not know who I am, although ive made threads in this section before, although in at least one instance, glen erased my thread because he didnt see how it was pertinant.

coda618 (http://www.mustangforums.com/showProfile.asp?memid=36890), my comment was in no way intended for you. The person who to whom I was speaking knows who he is, and I deleted his thread mocking the Mustang IIs. i dont believe that clu7ch was referring to you either.

ORIGINAL: coda618

Wow, ride of the month, if you are referring to me, I am no post whore-to make that statements ignorant. Have you ever read any of my other posts. I think not. I offer as much help and input as I get. And I did not make fun of Mustag II's. IMO they are classic cars as well.



I know for a fact that Pat was referring to an Off-Topic member who trolled into the classic section recently to cause trouble.

EDIT: Oops - I see that Pat already responded to you in the above post

ORIGINAL: RSRXION

I'll be the first to admit that Glen got my goat a few times. I just discounted it as being a typical Texan. They can't help it you know, it's in the water down there. The decision's been made and the fat lady has sung. Hopefully Glen will stick around , if he doesn't... that's his call. It won't change how I do things. Dean



Brilliant! This from a guy from armpit arkansas. This thread has spiraled from personal attacks, to attacks on a whole region.

ORIGINAL: coda618

Who is Nanuk (or whatever his name is) and why is he posting here? Clearly a low class petty individual.

Anyway, Soaring I for one have nothing to say but thank you!!!!! You wisdom, insite and willingness to offer a helping hand is commendable. You know what, petty thin skinned people who have no tollerance for opionions that don't match their own are what's wrong with this country today or that are so sensitive they can't the occassion disagreement or harsh tone/language. To all these sensitive types, grow up and be a man/woman.

"It's too bad your opinions and views were so drastic." Sidewayz6.0-Another person I have never seen a post from on this forum-what was drastic about having your own opinion? I have never seen Glen post anything drastic or outlandish, where did you come from?

Amanda-out of all the mods you seem like the most decent. However, although Glen has come off gruff from time to time, I personally have never witnessed anything drastic or abusive. He has almost always posted some input to any of my questions and I have always appreciated his input and never once been offended.

To the other individual (my77stang) who felt he had to post a couple of select quotes to demonstrate what the other mods had to deal with (right after some other mod said it was a private thing between glen and the othermods)let me just say, boo hoo, did the little baby's feelings get hurt. Get over it. Also presenting only half the story is a cowardly thing to do in my opnion.

Glen started this post to say good buy. I don't recall him bashing any of the other mods in his post, yet, all these other mods, most of which I have never seen a post from, felt the need to come here and clarify what a B**tard Glen is. Cheap and cowardly. (yes you Nanuk and my77stang, sorry if I hurt you wittle feelwings)

People have strong opinions and I on occassion did not agree with some of Glens. However, I respect them. He is a voice of reason in this forum when often the first thing some others recomend toa newb is a tunnel ram triple port quad do dad or some other off the wall stuff.

If the mods had issues w/ Glen and you came to an agreement that he would step down, coming on this post to trash him after, when I have never seen a post from the majority of you before is completely classless.

Glen, you are a gentleman in my eyes. You know what, now and again some people need to be told to go F*** themselves. Don't take no S**t from anyone. Again, thank you sir. And, I for one would like to see you stick around. From a New Yorker, I'd just like to say to all the other mods, Don't Mess with Texas!

I quess I will be asked to step down now too.....:eek:




First of all, if you had stepped out of the classic forum once in a while, you'd see there is WAY more to this site than just 64-71's or whatever. I've never seen one of your posts anywhere either. Where did you come from? I have a fox body, and have owned a few Mustangs in the past, but never a classic. It's not a car that holds much of my interest, so I generally avoid this section unless there is a need for me to step in.

My point is that I happen to like the guy. I thought he was a little out of line at times, but I busted his balls in the mod room on a regular basis, and he and I ribbed each other frequently. He's been a good sport with me. I never once said anything about him not having his own views. I said they were drastic, and he voiced them that way. "His way or the highway" Isn't a good plan when you're trying to keep 75,000 members with 100 different models of the same car happy.

But of course in your short time as a member here, you've seen everything, and know how it works. Or even have an idea of how much time, and man power it takes to keep a site this size running smoothly. Perhaps you don't know the complete story. Glen is a good guy, I still like him, and I'm sorry to see him go. However, I agree with admin's decision to have Glen become a regular member. Which I truly hope he remains.

You know how the saying goes, if you don't know the whole story...

ORIGINAL: 65Raven65

ORIGINAL: RSRXION

I'll be the first to admit that Glen got my goat a few times. I just discounted it as being a typical Texan. They can't help it you know, it's in the water down there. The decision's been made and the fat lady has sung. Hopefully Glen will stick around , if he doesn't... that's his call. It won't change how I do things. Dean



Brilliant! This from a guy from armpit arkansas. This thread has spiraled from personal attacks, to attacks on a whole region.



right, and if this thread becomes a pissing match about states, ill just remove it.

"These people you are referring to are long standing mods and admin. They may not come in here often to post cause they have their own respective sections to moderate.Forget the fact that he had "disagreements" with members. This came about because he couldn't follow the rules set out for all the mods and he was disrespectful to the mods who let him be a mod here on the site. This isn't because of his opinion on things!

Jebus, does anyone use their head and read before posting here? WTF! "

Clu7ch, clearly you don't. I am sorry that they edited your post where the first thing you do in your response is to call me a tool. Thanks for proving my point about thin skinned people.

Is YOU had carefully read my post, you would realize my point and that I am on the money. Glen started this post to say goodbye. I did not see him bash any of the other mods in this post, did you? Yet, these mods that are,as you say long term mods and admins that may not post here but post frequently in other forums is exactly my point. To show up here all of a sudden to badmouthGlen unprovoked. that is, in my opinion, classless. If they came to an agreement that he would step down, can they not have the decensy to let him say goodbye without piling on.

And, why don't you go back and read the posts. Some of the mods did comment about his opinions. So again, feel free to take you own advice and take your head out of your a** before posting. Clearly analysis and debate is not your forte.

ORIGINAL: coda618

"These people you are referring to are long standing mods and admin. They may not come in here often to post cause they have their own respective sections to moderate.Forget the fact that he had "disagreements" with members. This came about because he couldn't follow the rules set out for all the mods and he was disrespectful to the mods who let him be a mod here on the site. This isn't because of his opinion on things!

Jebus, does anyone use their head and read before posting here? WTF! "

Clu7ch, clearly you don't. I am sorry that they edited your post where the first thing you do in your response is to call me a tool. Thanks for proving my point about thin skinned people.

Is YOU had carefully read my post, you would realize my point and that I am on the money. Glen started this post to say goodbye. I did not see him bash any of the other mods in this post, did you? Yet, these mods that are,as you say long term mods and admins that may not post here but post frequently in other forums is exactly my point. To show up here all of a sudden to badmouthGlen unprovoked. that is, in my opinion, classless. If they came to an agreement that he would step down, can they not have the decensy to let him say goodbye without piling on.

And, why don't you go back and read the posts. Some of the mods did comment about his opinions. So again, feel free to take you own advice and take your head out of your a** before posting. Clearly analysis and debate is not your forte.



Actually, he did. And it was deleted. So here again with the not knowing the whole story. :eek:

actually, he did make a post bashing me, and a few other moderators, but it was removed.

I exchanged MANY PMs with glen today to try to reach a better resolution, and we were unable to do so. The only people who know exactly what was said up to the final decision to remove glen are the admins (myself, HRnB, HC_Crazyhorse, Amanda). Again, if anyone is interested in discussing this decision, Im still waiting for PMs. to the few of you who PMed me, thank you. For the rest of you, bickering at each other doesnt serve any purpose.

again, coda618, clu7ch was speaking about someone else, who in this case, is indeed a tool...

Sideways, I know there are other areas, and like you said, you don't come in here because you have a fox body and are not into early mustangs. Hello, that's why I don't go to the fox body sections. Again my point was not to offend you but to express my opinion that some of the people that are never here cam just to badmouth glen.

And I don't know the whole story, you note that I mention the fact that people are only posting half the story as one of the things I think of as classless. Please read my post again, it is commenting on what is happening in this post. I realize that some may have issues with Glen. I have expressed my experience with him and my opinion on how some of the mods have addressed those issues in this thread.

I certainly don't know the whole story, because some have presented only half the story. where it wasn't even neccessary. Let the guy say goodbye in peace.

double standard at its finest.....as usual with this site. The favorites can troll the forums and post up abusive comments to noobs and very derogitory comments in the off-topic section without reprimand, yet when someone who the mods view as disposable is brash or speaks the truth no matter how harsh it is, they force them out (or ban their account). I saw it in the 4.0 section about a year ago. I am new (to this section), but not new to the power trips the mods of this site get.

ORIGINAL: coda618

Sideways, I know there are other areas, and like you said, you don't come in here because you have a fox body and are not into early mustangs. Hello, that's why I don't go to the fox body sections. Again my point was not to offend you but to express my opinion that some of the people that are never here cam just to badmouth glen.

And I don't know the whole story, you note that I mention the fact that people are only posting half the story as one of the things I think of as classless. Please read my post again, it is commenting on what is happening in this post. I realize that some may have issues with Glen. I have expressed my experience with him and my opinion on how some of the mods have addressed those issues in this thread.

I certainly don't know the whole story, because some have presented only half the story. where it wasn't even neccessary. Let the guy say goodbye in peace.




I agree. I think everyone who wanted to say goodbye should have came into this post and done so, but leave the rest of the **** outside. There really is no reason to discuss what the other details are.

Well then gentlemen, I stand corrected. I was not aware that there were posts removed.Clu7ch, my apologies to you as well, as I took offense to what I thought were comments referring to me.I have said my peace.

Just like any other "club", you hate to see anyone leave, for any reason.
I don't like what Nanuk said about nut &%*&%. That was un called for. What's done is done, no arguing.

ORIGINAL: VintageBlue

double standard at its finest.....as usual with this site. The favorites can troll the forums and post up abusive comments to noobs and very derogitory comments in the off-topic section without reprimand, yet when someone who the mods view as disposable is brash or speaks the truth no matter how harsh it is, they force them out (or ban their account). I saw it in the 4.0 section about a year ago. I am new (to this section), but not new to the power trips the mods of this site get.


i never made any comments about glen being disposable...and neither did any of the other admins. if you have advice as to how to improve the site, feel free to PM me and we will discuss it, but i see FAR too much of people bashing this site with no real advice or input, other than "i dont like how its run". there is no way to have the site run exactly to the liking of 75,000+ people.

All i know .. is glen was a good figure in these forums and i hope he sticks around ..

Seeing as he helped "Raise" some of the younger members on this forum with knowledge.

I personally dont see how Opinions can be regulateed considering that is why it is known as an opinion.

But ehh what can ya do really ? , WE WANT GLEN! WE WANT GLEN!!! ... hahha lol ..

-Ariel

ORIGINAL: takeoutexodus

All i know .. is glen was a good figure in these forums and i hope he sticks around ..

Seeing as he helped "Raise" some of the younger members on this forum with knowledge.

I personally dont see how Opinions can be regulateed considering that is why it is known as an opinion.

But ehh what can ya do really ? , WE WANT GLEN! WE WANT GLEN!!! ... hahha lol ..

-Ariel



again, his opinions had nothing to do with the admins decision to remove his moderator powers.

ORIGINAL: takeoutexodus

All i know .. is glen was a good figure in these forums and i hope he sticks around ..

Seeing as he helped "Raise" some of the younger members on this forum with knowledge.

I personally dont see how Opinions can be regulateed considering that is why it is known as an opinion.

But ehh what can ya do really ? , WE WANT GLEN! WE WANT GLEN!!! ... hahha lol ..

-Ariel


Again, this is not about his opinions on resto-mods. If you guys/gals want to that way, fine but it not the real reason for all this.

Glen dont leave! your opions are your opions! i never seen them right or wrong! You do help others alot!!!!! but if you must move on......enjoy the ride where it takes you!

ORIGINAL: HotRods_n_Booze

ORIGINAL: 66JameStang
I like the way this thread was setup like you moderators actually care.

What makes you think we don't care? I'm extremely disappointed that it had to come to this. It didn't have to, Glen made the choice by refusing to cooperate. He was given the choice to follow the rules to moderate by, or step down. Apparently he can't follow the same rule that 27 other moderators seem to have no problem with.

Keep in mind, Glen has not been banned, he has only had the ability to edit and remove threads and posts disabled. Everything else is the same.



I should not have rolled all the mods into one statement because that makes it false there are just a few i can't stand.... but that is just me.... hey i am sure some people can't stand me:D

Glen, I do not give you permission to leave. There, problem solved, now he must stay :D

Seriously, you really need to stick around here.

Hmm Alrighty ,

Well , Glen should stay..

Thats my 2 cents. ha .. ive always wanted to say that.

i apologize to our new mods , I just got caught up in the moment.

-Ariel

ORIGINAL: Ride Of The Month

ORIGINAL: takeoutexodus

All i know .. is glen was a good figure in these forums and i hope he sticks around ..

Seeing as he helped "Raise" some of the younger members on this forum with knowledge.

I personally dont see how Opinions can be regulateed considering that is why it is known as an opinion.

But ehh what can ya do really ? , WE WANT GLEN! WE WANT GLEN!!! ... hahha lol ..

-Ariel



again, his opinions had nothing to do with the admins decision to remove his moderator powers.


so what you are saying is that Glen is worse than this:

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_3746066/tm.htm

Like I said, double standard at its finest. Redass will go on and on about someone being a cock rag or somethign or other, but because he is a moderator and one of the favorites, it will get over looked.

I do agree with you that Glen's opinions probably had nothing to do with all of this, but too bad the opinions of all the other moderators did.

ORIGINAL: VintageBlue

ORIGINAL: Ride Of The Month

ORIGINAL: takeoutexodus

All i know .. is glen was a good figure in these forums and i hope he sticks around ..

Seeing as he helped "Raise" some of the younger members on this forum with knowledge.

I personally dont see how Opinions can be regulateed considering that is why it is known as an opinion.

But ehh what can ya do really ? , WE WANT GLEN! WE WANT GLEN!!! ... hahha lol ..

-Ariel



again, his opinions had nothing to do with the admins decision to remove his moderator powers.


so what you are saying is that Glen is worse than this:

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_3746066/tm.htm

Like I said, double standard at its finest. Redass will go on and on about someone being a cock rag or somethign or other, but because he is a moderator and one of the favorites, it will get over looked.

I do agree with you that Glen's opinions probably had nothing to do with all of this, but too bad the opinions of all the other moderators did.



Someone started a thread called "why redass is a dick". if someone started a thread like that about any moderator, or any member for that matter, I wouldnt care one bit what that person said. I dont feel that particular example applies here. We arent talking about people calling out glen and him defending himself, we are talking about glen making inappropriate comments about moderators on the open forums, then the comments getting even worse in PMs and the mod room.

Glen stay for your fans....they respect you and sorry I as a mod never got to know you! J

This is embarrassing. This forum is done. Glen, Gothand, Jim (66), JMD, JamesStang, Nick, and a few others I can't immediately think of- Thanks for your information and constant help. I'll try to keep up with you guys through email or PM or something.
Signing out
greg

ORIGINAL: Ride Of The Month

ORIGINAL: VintageBlue

ORIGINAL: Ride Of The Month

ORIGINAL: takeoutexodus

All i know .. is glen was a good figure in these forums and i hope he sticks around ..

Seeing as he helped "Raise" some of the younger members on this forum with knowledge.

I personally dont see how Opinions can be regulateed considering that is why it is known as an opinion.

But ehh what can ya do really ? , WE WANT GLEN! WE WANT GLEN!!! ... hahha lol ..

-Ariel



again, his opinions had nothing to do with the admins decision to remove his moderator powers.


so what you are saying is that Glen is worse than this:

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_3746066/tm.htm

Like I said, double standard at its finest. Redass will go on and on about someone being a cock rag or somethign or other, but because he is a moderator and one of the favorites, it will get over looked.

I do agree with you that Glen's opinions probably had nothing to do with all of this, but too bad the opinions of all the other moderators did.



Someone started a thread called "why redass is a dick". if someone started a thread like that about any moderator, or any member for that matter, I wouldnt care one bit what that person said. I dont feel that particular example applies here. We arent talking about people calling out glen and him defending himself, we are talking about glen making inappropriate comments about moderators on the open forums, then the comments getting even worse in PMs and the mod room.


you are right, redass NEVER makes inappropriate comments about other forum members:eek:. I might appear to be new sir, but I have been around for quite some time. I have witnessed it and been a victim of it.

You said this is not about Glen's opinions, but it is. You see, his comments, whatever they were, were his opinions on other memebers/moderators of the forums. We all have them. Some people are given the right to air those opinions, other are banned from the web site.

I am still trying to figure out why I was banned because I questioned someones Avitar that showed a smiley masturbating and then having an orgasm.....oh yea, that is right, I do know the answer....favorites.

believe me, not all of the moderators get along. there are regular "fights" in the moderators room. However, to keep a site of this size running smoothly as a whole, we need to work together at some level, and glen refused to do so.

redass has the miserable task of moderating the off topic section, and when he crosses the line, he is spoken to about it. when he is told that he has crossed the line, he then avoids said line, but when glen was spoken to about crossing the line, he would continue to push the issue.

also, if you were banned, im sure that it wasnt for something as simple as complaining about someones avatar. if you were banned several times, you were obviously breaking a rule, if not more than one. if you feel that you were wrongly banned, Im willing to hear your side of the story. there are many members who have been removed, who are currently here operating under new usernames, and so long as they abide by the rules, they will stay here.

I don't know what else to say here other than. If this forum was a meat world corporation, would Glen have been given this much slack? I say this because this place IS a business and as such needs to run as smooth as possible. Was Glen knowledgeable about classic Mustangs? Absolutely without a doubt, and that is the reason that he was kept around for as long as he was. In the end he was asked to back off a bit on how he was acting and he chose not to, he knew what the outcome of all this would be and still decided to act the way he did. I would like to to re-iterate that this IS NOT about Glens opinions on resto-mods,but about him not being a team player (or even trying to be). You will see a few new faces in the classic section in the coming weeks while we try and find a replacement for Glen, we are not here to pass judgement or change the way things are run here, just to police the section for spam and to move threads that do not belong etc. We will help out on tech questions if we know the answer, but we really need our classic members to help each other out in that dept. I wish no ill towards Glen and hope that stays on as a member.
Thanks for reading this.
JD

maybe that needed to be clarified AGAIN?

someone should lock this thing up. What's been said has been said - people are fighting, and it's not going to stop. People can speculate all day about what happened, and why he was removed (heck, the mods have told us 20 times, just read) but it doesn't change the fact.


Glen, if you're still here reading this, you'll see that most of the people here really appreciate your incredible knowledge of these cars. We would like if you would stay.

I want to apologize for any derogatory statements, or accusationsthat I have made about anyone in this thread. I was totally out of line in doing this.

I am still disappointed about Glen leaving, however this in no way gave me reason or cause to say many of the things I said...

In specific I owe apologies to James W. and most of the administrators and moderators who have posted on this thread.

I have not come to the point where I am ready to apologize to Nanaki yet because,,, well anyway,,, I will post on street/strip later,, that will make JMD = 3 Nanniaki = 0... :D

In any case, I offer my sincere apologies to anyone (else)who I may have offended in this thread.

a few people have made the comment here, and via PM, and I wanted to explain to everyone why this thread has remained open.

the point of this thread was for glen to announce that he was leaving the site, and sadly it turned into a great deal of bickering.

however, i do not want to seem like i am doing away with, or locking to censor the views of the members, however, with the way that it is heading, i am getting complaints about it, and it will only remain open while people are civil...

thank you.

i leave for one week and this happens? sheesh, i cant leave you kiddies to play nice in the sand box can i? Glen, as to what you choose to do thats up to you, but you have an enormous amount of knowledge that we can all learn from. I say dont go, but thats a personal choice.

ORIGINAL: Ride Of The Month

believe me, not all of the moderators get along. there are regular "fights" in the moderators room. However, to keep a site of this size running smoothly as a whole, we need to work together at some level, and glen refused to do so.

redass has the miserable task of moderating the off topic section, and when he crosses the line, he is spoken to about it. when he is told that he has crossed the line, he then avoids said line, but when glen was spoken to about crossing the line, he would continue to push the issue.

also, if you were banned, im sure that it wasnt for something as simple as complaining about someones avatar. if you were banned several times, you were obviously breaking a rule, if not more than one. if you feel that you were wrongly banned, Im willing to hear your side of the story. there are many members who have been removed, who are currently here operating under new usernames, and so long as they abide by the rules, they will stay here.


I am over it. I have my opinion about this site and it will not change. Coming and posting on this site is basically a last resort for me. Like I said, I have been around for a while and just got back around to getting a new screen name, and you can see how often I post with it. I don't enjoy perusing this site because of stuff like this. This is the same thing that happened in the 4.0 section, wither you see it that way or not. You mods might think you are doing this for the site, but in reality, you are not. These forums are a ways and means for people to obtain technical knowledge and share their own knowledge and experiences with those that share a common interest or problem. Who cares about the way that knowlege is conveyed. Too many people with their panties in a wad these days. If you are put off by someone, ignore their comments...others might like that person and think they are helpfull. Sounds like in this case, this forum just lost a very valuable resource.

Im not disputing that we lost an incredibly knowledgable member, but no matter what forum you go to, anywhere..no matter what vehicle or vehicles it pertains to, if you have one mod who spends his time telling the rest of the mods that they are worthless pieces of trash, hes not going to be a mod for very long.

Also, I would like to point out that he wasnt banned, he was removed as a moderator, and thats all. Being a "regular member" doesnt make him any less capable of sharing his knowledge, but he decided that he would not continue to share his information unless he was a moderator, and that was out of the question with the recent activites.

ORIGINAL: Ride Of The Month

Im not disputing that we lost an incredibly knowledgable member, but no matter what forum you go to, anywhere..no matter what vehicle or vehicles it pertains to, if you have one mod who spends his time telling the rest of the mods that they are worthless pieces of trash, hes not going to be a mod for very long.

Also, I would like to point out that he wasnt banned, he was removed as a moderator, and thats all. Being a "regular member" doesnt make him any less capable of sharing his knowledge, but he decided that he would not continue to share his information unless he was a moderator, and that was out of the question with the recent activites.


no offense to you sir because I don't really think I had a run in with you (if I did, I don't remember), but who is to say that he isn't right? I think I know a few people that would concur with his sentiments.

and of course, those are just opinions, to which you say none of this is about. So he was either removed for his opinions, or what he said is true.

*bangs head against the wall* :eek:

see my super huge red bolt post above :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

his opinions on cars is one thing, but like i said, if you go to any other forum, or the forum which i suspect you spend most of your time, even their admins will agree that if one moderator spends so much effort in talking down to other moderators, he wont be on the staff for long.

again, we cannot make everyone happy, all of the time, and at times, we are forced to make decisions that we know will better the forum in the long run, although some people will disagree. many of our 75,000+ members would say that the staffhere does a fine job of keeping this forum fairly civil, and i appreciate those who have PMed me with the compliments tonight. On the other hand, you dont care for how this forum is run, and you dont care for the staff, and i apologize for that, but there isnt much else I can do about it. I do know that this forum is much smoother, much more informative, and much friendlier than it was before I became heavily involved, thanks to our many helpful members, and thanks to the dedicated staff, who typically keeps their personal issues with each other behind closed doors.

i like glen i hope he dont get mad and leave us. he knows alot and always willing to help no matter how small or stupid the question is.i thought i knew alot about early mustangs tell i came on here and met glen james and a few others they know the size of every nut and bolt in the car.he made a faq to help from having a post a day about the samething.

ORIGINAL: Ride Of The Month

his opinions on cars is one thing, but like i said, if you go to any other forum, or the forum which i suspect you spend most of your time, even their admins will agree that if one moderator spends so much effort in talking down to other moderators, he wont be on the staff for long.

again, we cannot make everyone happy, all of the time, and at times, we are forced to make decisions that we know will better the forum in the long run, although some people will disagree. many of our 75,000+ members would say that the staffhere does a fine job of keeping this forum fairly civil, and i appreciate those who have PMed me with the compliments tonight. On the other hand, you dont care for how this forum is run, and you dont care for the staff, and i apologize for that, but there isnt much else I can do about it. I do know that this forum is much smoother, much more informative, and much friendlier than it was before I became heavily involved, thanks to our many helpful members, and thanks to the dedicated staff, who typically keeps their personal issues with each other behind closed doors.


I can see why you have that point of view. Most groups that have power have a common mentality (I am sure there is disagreements on subjects, but overall, you guys have the power so you must be right) and when one person strays or gets out of line, everyone stands with the group, wither the group is right or wrong. Like I have said, maybe Glen has been right all along, and you guys just can't see it.

matt,

maybe i can say who the next president of the US should be, even though everyone else wouldnt agree with me...but when a group works as well together as the mod group here does, when one person is CONSTANTLY getting into "fights" with other moderators, something has to be done about it.

again, he wasnt banned, just removed from the mod group. he could have just as easily answered questions as a member.

ORIGINAL: Ride Of The Month

Also, I would like to point out that he wasnt banned, he was removed as a moderator, and thats all. Being a "regular member" doesnt make him any less capable of sharing his knowledge, but he decided that he would not continue to share his information unless he was a moderator, and that was out of the question with the recent activites.



hey my77stang - can you make the above quote font size 50?

for the love of all things mustang - pay attention. So he got his "powers" removed, why would he or anyone else care? What friggin' difference does that make? NONE - if he wants to keep posting, HE CAN KEEP POSTING.... but he lost his mod "powers" and now he has self exiled - sad thats the reaction. Yes, he was extremely knowledgeable - but to what effect if that knowledge seemed always to come w/ a jab attached?

A moderator doesnt even have to know a damn thing about the topics - as JamesW (or someone 72 pages ago) posted - mod's are just street cops, and as a street cop they are held to a higher standard. They watch out for spamming, personal attacks, threads in the wrong section, etc. In fact it'd be better to not have the most knowledgeable members as the mods ... why take away from their expertise by having them referee the internet gangs?

let it go....... you'd think he'd be happy to be a 'civilian' again, able to post whatever the he*l he wanted to. its just the internet, its all just tubes anyway........

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_466155/tm.htm
ORIGINAL: Soaring
14. We ask that members keep in mind membership is a privilege, NOT a right, and as a private forum, the administration and moderators have total say as to which members are, and are not allowed. The same rule applies for single posts and threads, and anything deemed to be inappropriate by any member of the staff will be removed. Members who continue to ignore this rule will be removed with no possibility of return.
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These can be amended over time without notice.

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some of you must work in places far more democratic than where I work. what goes for the public/customers, doesn't go for those of us on the job. you want to speak your mind, quit, then feel free ...

ORIGINAL: VintageBlue

I can see why you have that point of view. Most groups that have power have a common mentality (I am sure there is disagreements on subjects, but overall, you guys have the power so you must be right) and when one person strays or gets out of line, everyone stands with the group, wither the group is right or wrong. Like I have said, maybe Glen has been right all along, and you guys just can't see it.


Matt, the flaw in your logic is that Glen WAS part of our group.

I started to type out a comment on Glen, but I don't wanna badmouth him. He no longer has Mod powers - that's it. He could still be a contributing member here if he choses to do so...

Well,, Glen, I appreciate all of what you have put into this section of the forum. You've helped me out numerous times, and I have learned to live with your views on keeping mustangs original (mainly because I didnt care, it was your oppinion).. Anyway, I really hope you stick around this forum, the board may not be the same without.. Thanks.

Soaring, Glen, Papa of ol Yeller - please continue to chime in on issues. Your knowledge base is awesome - please continue to share it with those of us in earnest search for classic mustang answers.

I detested your respect for Rush Limbaugh... but respect YOUR opinion to like him and respected you mustang opinions immensely. And that is what makes us American - the freedom to express our opinions whether others like them or not. Some of us have learned a lot from you and really appreciate it.

That does not mean we dislike the restomodders. It just means we liked and learned from you and do not want you to leave us.

I always liked Soaring, but if he leaves over the fact that he can't/won't be a moderator, then I won't miss him.

I mean if he was here because he loved mustangs (which is what I really think is the case) then he should be happy to stay with us whether he is a mod or not. But if he was just here for the power/control/ect then I could care less if hedecides to throw a fit and goelsewhere.

SOARING, i hope you stay. good luck& remember 2 things,may the sunbe at your back & never pee with the wind in your face.

-Glen

I want to let you know you never pissed me off. I always felt it was one of those situations where we agreed to disagree. What makes these forums so valuable is the different opinions generated by a diverse crowd. This insures all the pros and cons of the issue are fully explored.

You help me with many problems and I am very grateful for your expertise I sincerely hope you stay with us as a member. I never felt any animosity towards your opinions as they often led to constructive debate over the issue (what more could the person asking the question want)

best of luck

Nick

ORIGINAL: nanaki

ORIGINAL: 66JameStang

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ORIGINAL: JMD

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

Thanks for your efforts Glen. It's too bad your opinions and views were so drastic. I'm sure your knowledge and insight to the classic community will be missed.


That is what America is all about today, suppression of "drastic views", don't have any of your own do you?


too bad you never got to see the REAL glenn in the mod room



We got to know him in this section and appreciate him, minus a few ***holes that don't. The real Glen in here is fine by me. this a forum for discussion not for politics... and politics are what this has become.

I like the way this thread was setup like you moderators actually care.


glenn started this thread knowing full well his nut swingers would bad mouth and trash talk the mods and admins, and back him up to stay. glenn's going to wake up tomorrow, open his windows, and see there's a whole new world out there.



Dude, stop taking yourself too seriously, lol, this is a bloody internet site.

Glenn will wake up tomorrow, brush his teeth, take a dump, wipe himself, flush the toilet, wash his hands, have some fried eggs and bacon with black coffee, read his newspaper, and give two flying F's about you or anybody else in here, lol.

:D

Glenn, I already miss you buddy, just come back as a regular poster, no more headaches from childish fellow moderators like this dude.

[8D]

Im actually gonna step out and say thank you for removing his mod abilities.I do respect all his knowled adn hope he visits the site but he said things inappropiate and deleted threads if HE didnt like them so im gonna say THANKS to the administration.

ORIGINAL: Ride Of The Month

ORIGINAL: VintageBlue

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ORIGINAL: takeoutexodus

All i know .. is glen was a good figure in these forums and i hope he sticks around ..

Seeing as he helped "Raise" some of the younger members on this forum with knowledge.

I personally dont see how Opinions can be regulateed considering that is why it is known as an opinion.

But ehh what can ya do really ? , WE WANT GLEN! WE WANT GLEN!!! ... hahha lol ..

-Ariel



again, his opinions had nothing to do with the admins decision to remove his moderator powers.


so what you are saying is that Glen is worse than this:

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_3746066/tm.htm

Like I said, double standard at its finest. Redass will go on and on about someone being a cock rag or somethign or other, but because he is a moderator and one of the favorites, it will get over looked.

I do agree with you that Glen's opinions probably had nothing to do with all of this, but too bad the opinions of all the other moderators did.



Someone started a thread called "why redass is a dick". if someone started a thread like that about any moderator, or any member for that matter, I wouldnt care one bit what that person said. I dont feel that particular example applies here. We arent talking about people calling out glen and him defending himself, we are talking about glen making inappropriate comments about moderators on the open forums, then the comments getting even worse in PMs and the mod room.


Why don't you edit some of nano nano, nuke, nagasaki, nanaki, or whatever he's username is...for his colorful comments?

Man, that dude is too volatile to be moderating in here.

:)

Glen read my sig, thanks for your help, advice and effort you put in.

Love your sig paddy....:D

I just wanted to say thanks Glen for all your help, I appreciate it immensely.

I have read EVERY post in this thread...

Glen I don't knowif you are following along here are not, buteven thoughyou and Ididn't see eye to eye on some topics, you were willing to share you knowledge to us. And for that Thanks
Even though it has been said this is not about your opinions about 'restro Mustangs' you and I had a few PM regarding how I felt you should have 'eased up a bit' or what ever when talking about someones car that didn't meet your 'status' of a classic.

I too hope you will be willing to turn the other cheek and be a 'bigger' man and continue to show us your passion to our cars. Besides I still want to send you a personal pic of my 69 Mustang sitting on my 79 Blazer frame w/ the name SOARING on itwhen it is done.I haven't decided if I want to paint it BOSS theme or Camaro ralley stripe! lol (just trying to lighten the mood... no hate mail please)

When you cool off, hopefully you mayrealize that in the big motion picture of life.... this is but a single frame!

And with that, for the love of God, can we close this topic.
Its now completely up to Glen what he does. He can go hang out at vintage mustang forums, any other forum or here. At the end of the day, he will do what he wants as he always had so please lets just get on with mustanging.

Fair enough. I'll make this short.

The thought of losing a staunch defender of maintaining a greater amount of originality rather than less is disappointing. Less balance in the col lective response to any given question is not necessarily a good thing. What the general membership will likely see is that the cost of the forum being less confrontational for some is that it will likely be less informative for others. So I hope that Glen drops by from time to time after the dust settles a bit. That I place far fewer limits on the acceptability of any given modification than Glenhas everything to do with it.

Just as an observation, but public comments like
hahaha! you'll have to be more specific. i'm an asshole to a lot of people. you sound just as old and senile as glenn. you all need to quit taking it like your wife just left you for another man. it's a forum.
are as out of line as the remarks that Glen is alleged to have made in the mod room, which would have been made to a very limited audience. Makes it easy to think that some of Glen's comments might have been provoked. I wonder if Glen was more abrasive than that or less back about, say,. . . 1970?


Norm

wondering why the word . . . c o l l e c t i v e . . . . doesn't pass the censor???

Of course I have no knowledge of what has happened in the mod room, but making those private sort of conversations known to the entire world was certainly a wrong thing to do. Ride of the Month made several statements that were threatening in nature about shutting down this thread. Those sort of power strokes are not appreciated by an audience that comes here voluntarily. Except for the comment about JamesW, I have not read any other comment directed against any other mod or administrator. If I remember correctly, JamesW was chosen by the admin to help Glen mod the classic section, and was not chosen by Glen. If that is correct, then I would feel the same as Glen regarding the appointment of JamesW. If that is why he was demoted, then it was not publicy known that he called all the other mods worthless.
Glen, I will miss you not only because you have a wealth of knowledge about classic Mustangs, but because you have a real personality, not one that is pasted on. You are your own man, and one whom I can respect. God bless.

Ok, so glen is gone. May I suggest that the powers that be try and find another mod who is well versed in relatively un-modded classics? While I can understand that highly modded mustangs appeal to many, it doesnt to me. I can appreciate peole putting EFI in a mustang and even put wings on it if they want, but to keep the faction of us who doesnt want a highly modded car, its tough to be a part of this site unless we have someone with the knowledge base of keeping it original and frequently posting,

Let,s move on, folks. It sucks if you liked glen, but its his choice to post or not post anymore. I wish he would post, but in the meantime, we need someone who represents classics. No offense to the current mod, who i think is doing a good job, but we just don't have much in common when it comes to our cars. We be nice to have a good balance in classics between restomods and non-restomods.

So are you saying you want another moderator, or just another member to "step up" and fill Glen's shoes as a restoration guru, while James W holds down the restomod side of things? Its going to be hard to replace the knowledge Glen has if he does decide that he does not want to post here anymore, but there are other members that are knowledgeable when it comes to "stock" parts on our classics, just ask questions and you will, more often than not, get answers.

you guys miss the point that a moderator doesnt have to have any specific feelings towards these cars. they are moderators to patrol the section, to keep things running smoothly (moving spam or flaming posts, etc).

it kinda irks me that i made myself sound like i was bashing glen in the process of me defending the staffs decision on this matter - that was not my goal. i did NOT want to see glen removed, i really didnt. also, maybe i shouldnt have brought down a few posts from the mod section, but i did to show the people that didnt want to believe glen wasnt being a "team player" so to speak.

in the end, i am sad to see glen is not a mod. i will be even more upset by this whole thing if he chooses to leave the group entirely....... because as someone else has already said, the love of the cars is whats supposed to keep you around, not the power of being a mod.

I agree that Soaring may not be the best moderator, and I respect the decision of the other mods. The mods are being compared to police, the police tell me to slow down or to wear my seatbelt not that they don't like the car that I drive. For that reason I think he should step down.

I don't know the rest of the story, and don't care to.

I DOhope that Soaring stays here to share his knowledge. It would be a shame to lose him.

Glen, stay for your love of the Mustang. You don't need to be a moderator to be a big help to the forum.

ORIGINAL: my77stang

you guys miss the point that a moderator doesnt have to have any specific feelings towards these cars. they are moderators to patrol the section, to keep things running smoothly (moving spam or flaming posts, etc).

I'm not sure that it's possible to moderate without introducing some of your own slant to things. And just like in a newspaper or magazine editorial, how something is said is frequently at least as important as what is said. Or what isn't said at all. Since none of us are machines or work by pure cold logic alone, an effect to the overall character that a forum takes on is inevitable. There is some concern that this forum could end up leaning a little too far in the pro-modify direction.


Norm

norm,

i believe everyone here could be considered "big boys" (well, almost everyone here:D), and as such can form their own opinions on what their plans are for their cars..... we are all old enough to know what we want.

i also believe that if there is any "leaning" towards a certain direction as to restoration, it will be due to the group as a whole and not because of one or two moderators.

personally, if i had a "special" classic i would want to keep it original. something like a BOSS 302, BOSS 429, Shelby, maybe even a mach 1 - but if it were a "regular" classic i would not feel as bad about doing certain mods. on a more personal level my II was a sixxer and when im done will be kinda sorta a cobra clone - but eventually i would like to find a 78 king cobra t-top car and i would restore that to being original because of what it is.

anyways, theres my take on the whole resto-mod thing - which again, was not why soaring left as a mod.

so norm, youre concerned that JamesW, or whoever else joins the MF staff to moderate this section will begin insulting members who decide to keep the stock seats, wheels, or engine components? i would be surprised, to say the least, although that had become common from glen. Again, we arent looking for moderators who dont have opinions, but more so, we are looking for moderators who are willing to work a part of a team, and who can voice their opinion with some tact.

hornblower, im sorry that my attempts to keep this thread civil arent to your liking, but i have left it open (even when asked to close it by several members) specifically for the purpose of continuing the discussion. my "threats" were an attempt to keep the discussion calm.

As this site has grown, many of our more active sections have gotten more than one moderator, as we (the admin) cannot possibly expect volunteers to be here every waking moment, so we like to have multiple moderators in place so that there is a better chance of having one online all of the time. Glen chose to view adding a moderator to his section as an insult, even though our cause for doing so was some personal issues in glens life which caused him to disappear fora few days, months ago. We then began looking for additional mode