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ORIGINAL: Soaring
I will be removed as the mod of this section shortly. I have enjoyed conversing with all of you for these many years, but it seems I am no longer useful to this site because of my opinions regarding restomods. You guys take care and keep those Mustangs running.
"Oh my God! They fired Glen!"
"You bastards!!!"
Okay, my South Park reference for the day is up.
That kinda sucks. I kinda enjoyed your opinions on the restomods Glen. I thought they were all downright truthful, most of the time.
Oh well. Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. Tis a shame.
Unfortunately, I know they wouldn't have done this without good reason, so I will say this. I hope Glen sticks around. As much as people didn't like his opinion (if that ain't the understatement of the year, I don't know what is!) on resto-mods, he was EXTREMELY knowledgable when it came to classics.
< Message edited by Clu7ch -- 8/22/2007 5:33:46 PM >
As always, Soaring's knowledge and input are welcome in the Section. He's always quick to help the newbies and support those trying to figure things out.
I hope you will stay and continue to be a contributing member.
If I had an opinion that you kind of "set things up" to meet the end of Glen's removal by the posting of your thread welcoming "Mr. EFI" to the forum, would it be acceptable for me to say so,,, hypothetically of course....
Things were beginning to chill out before that thread........ in case no one noticed......
Funny... I never even thought about putting those two events together. Corky (MrClassicEFI) is a regular on several of the other classic boards and whom I know personally. I was glad to see him join the group and provide more insight into the efi world. We were building our cars about the same time and I learned a lot from him, He did some very slick things to his fastback. The 'take a position on the line' was directed at the ongoing debate over efi's.... not about people.
My final comment on this subject: I hold no ill will against Soaring and I have always respected his position on classic mustangs. What I did not appreciate was his personal attacks on members for their views. Debate is healthy...but ridicule is over the top. But it wasn't even that which forced his Mod position to be revoked. Moderators are referees. They are traffic cops. They are janitors. They are not censors and they do not own the content of the section.
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I, for one, hope Glen stays. I'm a complete newbie and his knowledge, as well response to everyone topic/question I have posed, cannot be replaced. Glen, thank you so much for your help, advice and guidance. DO NOT leave.
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I'm sure its been said over and over, but Glen thanks for everything. I hope you still stay around a member because you really do help a lot of people as well as myself. You're a good guy, so I hope you stick around.
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god i hope i dont get in trouble for posting things said in the mod section, but here goes....
these are parts of posts made recently by glen, in a discussion started by staff asking him to not crap on other moderators in open forums
"I didn/t pick JamesW as my assistant. I do not like the guy and I have seen his car up close. I am also a volunteer. Get the hell out of my face."
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"Come into my world, and I will teach you something, Otherwise, shut the **** up."
that is the attitude the admins here got fed up with dealing with. that is also the way conversations have gone between glen and the staff here for as long as i have been a moderator and have had access to that section.
again, admins please dont bust my balls for posting that stuff but maybe it will help people understand why its happening.
Alright. I finally read thru most of this thread and I wanted to add something here. I've been gone for some time and no longer have my classic stang or any other stang for that matter so I don't care if there are reprecussions for my statement here.
Look at what Glen said right there. Now, go into OT and take a REAL good look around. The **** he said here is tame compared to the **** flying around in OT. Now, don't get me wrong, I am in no way defending the guy or trying to make a case to keep him here. First of all, what is done is done and second of all. I've seen him act very poorly towards members, especially female members and caused a few members with great insight to resign from the forums. I've also had my spats with the guy and think he can take things quite far a lot of the time.
I digress. He was offered the spot as a moderator by the people who started this forum and pay for all the server space and other fees regarding running a forum and upkeep therein. He should never have spoken that way towards these people here who were kind enough to give him such a hugh stake in this forum and such "powers" here.
Personally, I could give a **** less if Gary Colman or Richard Symmons were the mods here, so I'm not gonna lose any sleep over him being "demoted". You all can continue to cry over him leaving, but there was no reason for his attitude, neither in the open forums or in the mod room. He said a lot of **** about resto-modders, but that's not the reason they asked him to leave. He's caused a bit of trouble in this section and more than we'll know behind closed doors. I haven't been here very long, but I learned early, from a few spats I had with other members, that NONE of the mods/admin are out to get anyone. They aren't gonna ban someone just because. ROTM has a laundry list of people he's banned and I've been here for a lot of them. They all got seriously out of line and continued to do **** they were asked not to, so they got the axe.
Grow up and get over it. Complaining about him being removed as a mod is not gonna change a damn thing. I'm sure the new mod is a good caliber guy if the admin here made him a mod, so deal with it.
I'll be the first to admit that Glen got my goat a few times. I just discounted it as being a typical Texan. They can't help it you know, it's in the water down there. The decision's been made and the fat lady has sung. Hopefully Glen will stick around , if he doesn't... that's his call. It won't change how I do things. Dean
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ORIGINAL: 66JameStang I like the way this thread was setup like you moderators actually care.
What makes you think we don't care? I'm extremely disappointed that it had to come to this. It didn't have to, Glen made the choice by refusing to cooperate. He was given the choice to follow the rules to moderate by, or step down. Apparently he can't follow the same rule that 27 other moderators seem to have no problem with.
Keep in mind, Glen has not been banned, he has only had the ability to edit and remove threads and posts disabled. Everything else is the same.
Glen, I would put you up against anybody in the "Mustang Knowledge" department. I have learned alot from you and sincerely hope you stick around to help the rest of us. I would be curious if most of the poters could meet face to face and see how nicer they would be in person! Its easy to talk trash behind a computer screen!
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I have know idea about the inner workings of this site. All I know is that it is an invaluable resource I send a big thanks you to all those adminisators who make it happen and keep it running.
Glen - you are now free to speak your mind unincumered with staff resposbiliblies. I look fowad to your continuing input.
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ORIGINAL: 66JameStang I like the way this thread was setup like you moderators actually care.
What makes you think we don't care? I'm extremely disappointed that it had to come to this. It didn't have to, Glen made the choice by refusing to cooperate. He was given the choice to follow the rules to moderate by, or step down. Apparently he can't follow the same rule that 27 other moderators seem to have no problem with.
Keep in mind, Glen has not been banned, he has only had the ability to edit and remove threads and posts disabled. Everything else is the same.
Chris, you know these guys don't listen or read this stuff. They skim thru and make half assed assumptions and start to rant. Very few people here realize what the admin/mods here are really like. I've gotten a LOT of help from most of the mods/admin here. I respect every decision made by them.
Everyone else sees you guys (and gal) like they see cops. They thing they are always out to get someone. Sure there are asshole cops who do, but in general, they aren't like that.
Everyone here who thinks that the mods and admin did this just because, think again. They could have banned my ass at least 2 dozen times since I came here, but instead they worked things out with me. The mods and admin here are better than the countless other forums I've been a part of over the years.
EDIT: I do believe I still owe you a beer, Chris. LOL!!!
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If the decision was made according to how he treated people, there's a HELL of a lot more housecleaning to do.....
The people with actual knowledge should be given a little more slack. There are guys that are completely clueless that get away with murder, and in so, there is no balance between the positive and negative. So what if a guy is ornery on occasion behind the scenes; for every person that bitched, I'm sure there were 25 he helped....
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ORIGINAL: Magiarn71
If the decision was made according to how he treated people, there's a HELL of a lot more housecleaning to do.....
The people with actual knowledge should be given a little more slack. There are guys that are completely clueless that get away with murder, and in so, there is no balance between the positive and negative. So what if a guy is ornery on occasion behind the scenes; for every person that bitched, I'm sure there were 25 he helped....
And a half a dozen or so he's made leave. Mainly women and at least two guys who were very knowledgable and had great insight. Than factor in the tension when there were big blowups between him and mambers regarding the choices they made and how he more than put them down and was outright disrespectful to members (again, namely the women) and than there was the **** he gave the very people who let him be such an influencing part of the forums (a mod). Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Who is Nanuk (or whatever his name is) and why is he posting here? Clearly a low class petty individual.
Anyway, Soaring I for one have nothing to say but thank you!!!!! You wisdom, insite and willingness to offer a helping hand is commendable. You know what, petty thin skinned people who have no tollerance for opionions that don't match their own are what's wrong with this country today or that are so sensitive they can't the occassion disagreement or harsh tone/language. To all these sensitive types, grow up and be a man/woman.
"It's too bad your opinions and views were so drastic." Sidewayz6.0-Another person I have never seen a post from on this forum-what was drastic about having your own opinion? I have never seen Glen post anything drastic or outlandish, where did you come from?
Amanda-out of all the mods you seem like the most decent. However, although Glen has come off gruff from time to time, I personally have never witnessed anything drastic or abusive. He has almost always posted some input to any of my questions and I have always appreciated his input and never once been offended.
To the other individual (my77stang) who felt he had to post a couple of select quotes to demonstrate what the other mods had to deal with (right after some other mod said it was a private thing between glen and the other mods) let me just say, boo hoo, did the little baby's feelings get hurt. Get over it. Also presenting only half the story is a cowardly thing to do in my opnion.
Glen started this post to say good buy. I don't recall him bashing any of the other mods in his post, yet, all these other mods, most of which I have never seen a post from, felt the need to come here and clarify what a B**tard Glen is. Cheap and cowardly. (yes you Nanuk and my77stang, sorry if I hurt you wittle feelwings)
People have strong opinions and I on occassion did not agree with some of Glens. However, I respect them. He is a voice of reason in this forum when often the first thing some others recomend to a newb is a tunnel ram triple port quad do dad or some other off the wall stuff.
If the mods had issues w/ Glen and you came to an agreement that he would step down, coming on this post to trash him after, when I have never seen a post from the majority of you before is completely classless.
Glen, you are a gentleman in my eyes. You know what, now and again some people need to be told to go F*** themselves. Don't take no S**t from anyone. Again, thank you sir. And, I for one would like to see you stick around. From a New Yorker, I'd just like to say to all the other mods, Don't Mess with Texas!
I quess I will be asked to step down now too.....
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These people you are referring to are long standing mods and admin. They may not come in here often to post cause they have their own respective sections to moderate. Forget the fact that he had "disagreements" with members. This came about because he couldn't follow the rules set out for all the mods and he was disrespectful to the mods who let him be a mod here on the site. This isn't because of his opinion on things!
Jebus, does anyone use their head and read before posting here? WTF!
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well, i know i havent posted much here, but Ive read up on alot of threads- its how i learned most of what i know!
Glen, you seem like you have a ton of knowledge about everything classic, so I hope you stick around somewhat to lend a hand now and then. If not, enjoy life! and dont ya abandon your mustangs now
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Wow, you are a complete tool. These people you are referring to are long standing mods and admin. They may not come in here often to post cause they have their own respective sections to moderate. If you pulled your head out of your ass and actually read what these people are saying you'd understand why this happened. Forget the fact that he had "disagreements" with members. This came about because he couldn't follow the rules set out for all the mods and he was disrespectful to the mods who let him be a mod here on the site. This isn't because of his opinion on things!
Jebus, does anyone use their head and read before posting here? WTF!
people who usually post in here, do read before they post, but its obvious that post whores who wander in and make a thread making fun of Mustang IIs, then make a handful of uninformed comments about the situation clearly do not.
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I don't know what else to say here other than. If this forum was a meat world corporation, would Glen have been given this much slack? I say this because this place IS a business and as such needs to run as smooth as possible. Was Glen knowledgeable about classic Mustangs? Absolutely without a doubt, and that is the reason that he was kept around for as long as he was. In the end he was asked to back off a bit on how he was acting and he chose not to, he knew what the outcome of all this would be and still decided to act the way he did. I would like to to re-iterate that this IS NOT about Glens opinions on resto-mods, but about him not being a team player (or even trying to be). You will see a few new faces in the classic section in the coming weeks while we try and find a replacement for Glen, we are not here to pass judgement or change the way things are run here, just to police the section for spam and to move threads that do not belong etc. We will help out on tech questions if we know the answer, but we really need our classic members to help each other out in that dept. I wish no ill towards Glen and hope that stays on as a member. Thanks for reading this. JD
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