Everybody who has been a member on here for any time at all knows that I think a classic mustang with an EFI engine is just wrong. You may as well put a Toyota engine in it as far as I am concerned. It's the same thing. You are putting an engine into a classic that was not designed for a classic Mustang. I like Motorcraft carbs.
I respect your opinion and I like Carbs too. I have a Holley on my 67 but I'm not sure how putting EFI on a classic car is the same as putting a Toyota engine in a Mustang. From the purist point of view I entirely respect the carb, but Ford makes EFI for 5.0's that is so easy to adapt and would be ALL Ford parts. Even an aftermarket system is no different than changing gears, wheels, exhaust, cams, etc., etc. Anyway to each his own. Craig
There were no EFI engines, or 5.0 engines in the 1965-73 classic cars. Why do you guys constantly want to put them into a car that was not designed for those engines? Buy a Fox body and do anything with it that you want. An EFI in a classic is no more different than a Toyota or any other engine in a classic because the engine was not designed for a classic car. The next thing out of your mouth will be to put a 350 bow tie in a classic Mustang because it is an American made engine. I draw the line in the sand. If the engine was not designed for the classic car, then it does not belong in there. Find yourself another hobby.
Check this out. There is a universal EFI computer being sold that has no real limitations as you dial it in. This gives you complete control over fire as well as fuel. It is sold as a "learning tool", probably so no one can come back on them and claim the company destroyed an engine. Here it is...
A person would have to learn how advance affected things. You'd have to know about types of FI. But it would allow you to collect just about any parts for cheap and have them work. Fun or futility?
Megasquirt and Pro-Flow are both excellant adaptations to using EFI on an existing motor. I personally liked using the OEM setup because I felt it was, quite frankly....as simple, and less expensive.
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Ahhh..it's good to be back off vacation and back to the stream of consternation.
Glen, Please stop telling board members to go find another hobby because they disagree with you.
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Another hobby would be to get a Fox body Mustang and build all the 5.0 EFI engine you wish to pursue, but leave our classic carburated engines alone in our classic bodied Mustangs, designed in the mid 60's for mid 60's performance and comfort. It is inherent that we will reach a disagreement on this forum because we have a 40 something year old car that screams to be road worthy. Some of us are wishing to keep our 40 year old cars as they came from the factory with adjustments to parts in order to keep them on the road as a daily driver, whereas there are others who heavily modify their perfectly good classic Mustang into a car that it was never meant to be, and then there are those who just want to keep them running to drive to school.
I agree with you that some want to keep it original, I'm okay with that. As far as Ford not intending them to have EFI, it is not a reason we can't update them today. Cars that are rare or close to original would be a shame to modify a lot but putting EFI doesn't change them anymore than adding other things like chrome valve covers or dual exhaust. It can easily be put back. I am just not big on the looks of a FOX or I would modify one of those. I like the style of the classic and even if I modify the look a little it still doen't look like a FOX body. Again, I respect anyone who wants to keep it original but modifing a classic is not wrong because some people don't like it. I know we won't agree but don't send us away please. Craig
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(IMO) EFI is an excellent fuel system *upgrade* for a classic Mustang engine (or any other classic that is not a concours correct car). It can be done with no permanent modifications. EFI also improves driveability, torque over the rpm range, and fuel mileage. In reading and seeing what people are doing to install these systems, the biggest downfall I see is some of the fuel systems being built. Some are just poorly designed. Others are downright scary. While the electronics are cheap, the real cost is in a properly designed fuel system. This can add upwards of $1,000.00 (or more for the real trick stuff) to the price of the swap. You may want to keep that in mind before making a commitment if you want to do it right.
Geez guys...we've been down this trail a bazillion times. Modifying Mustangs started April 18th 1964 and people have been doing it ever since. Back then we 'jacked them up', 'souped them up', and "tricked them out".
Somewhere down the line, the hobby took the cars back to original. They became "Classics". Somewhere else down the line, the hobby has continued the modifications.
Some people like their cars homemade vanilla, some like them Peaches & Cream. The point is... we all like them. It's like arguing over which BlueBell flavor is best. They're all good.
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Everybody who has been a member on here for any time at all knows that I think a classic mustang with an EFI engine is just wrong. You may as well put a Toyota engine in it as far as I am concerned. It's the same thing. You are putting an engine into a classic that was not designed for a classic Mustang. I like Motorcraft carbs.
I respect your opinion and I like Carbs too. I have a Holley on my 67 but I'm not sure how putting EFI on a classic car is the same as putting a Toyota engine in a Mustang. From the purist point of view I entirely respect the carb, but Ford makes EFI for 5.0's that is so easy to adapt and would be ALL Ford parts. Even an aftermarket system is no different than changing gears, wheels, exhaust, cams, etc., etc. Anyway to each his own. Craig
There were no EFI engines, or 5.0 engines in the 1965-73 classic cars. Why do you guys constantly want to put them into a car that was not designed for those engines? Buy a Fox body and do anything with it that you want. An EFI in a classic is no more different than a Toyota or any other engine in a classic because the engine was not designed for a classic car. The next thing out of your mouth will be to put a 350 bow tie in a classic Mustang because it is an American made engine. I draw the line in the sand. If the engine was not designed for the classic car, then it does not belong in there. Find yourself another hobby.
You know Glen there is room in this hobby for everyone, if you don't care for a new modern engine in a great looking classic ride that's your right, but how do you get off telling people what they should or should not do with THEIR car. Not everyone wants a classic Stang that can't beat a Honda Civic and handles like a Model T. Original is great for some of the more rare cars but who cares if some guy wants to moderize his 6 cylinder 66 coupe.
Everybody who has been a member on here for any time at all knows that I think a classic mustang with an EFI engine is just wrong. You may as well put a Toyota engine in it as far as I am concerned. It's the same thing. You are putting an engine into a classic that was not designed for a classic Mustang. I like Motorcraft carbs.
I respect your opinion and I like Carbs too. I have a Holley on my 67 but I'm not sure how putting EFI on a classic car is the same as putting a Toyota engine in a Mustang. From the purist point of view I entirely respect the carb, but Ford makes EFI for 5.0's that is so easy to adapt and would be ALL Ford parts. Even an aftermarket system is no different than changing gears, wheels, exhaust, cams, etc., etc. Anyway to each his own. Craig
There were no EFI engines, or 5.0 engines in the 1965-73 classic cars. Why do you guys constantly want to put them into a car that was not designed for those engines? Buy a Fox body and do anything with it that you want. An EFI in a classic is no more different than a Toyota or any other engine in a classic because the engine was not designed for a classic car. The next thing out of your mouth will be to put a 350 bow tie in a classic Mustang because it is an American made engine. I draw the line in the sand. If the engine was not designed for the classic car, then it does not belong in there. Find yourself another hobby.
You know Glen there is room in this hobby for everyone, if you don't care for a new modern engine in a great looking classic ride that's your right, but how do you get off telling people what they should or should not do with THEIR car. Not everyone wants a classic Stang that can't beat a Honda Civic and handles like a Model T. Original is great for some of the more rare cars but who cares if some guy wants to moderize his 6 cylinder 66 coupe.
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Trust me, I can more than stand the heat. I wasn't always into the modern cars. You want controversy try modding a 60's era Mopar and see what the "purists think". The numbers matching Mopar bunch are the worst about this kinda thing. Don't even dare utter the word "clone" around them.
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Glen you fizz up over this like mentos in a pepsi bottle actually Toyota make some good quad cam v8s with plenty of potential Ol Yeller would smack the pants of his little brother then.
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Not sure your position Jim, are you saying the kitchen (this section) is for original unmodified mustangs?
I think there was a poll on this subject for this portion of the 'mustang forums' called 'classic mustangs' and the results were to keep it combined. There is no reference to modified, restomod or pure stock in the title or anywhere, it's - 'classic'. So I can't help laughing when Glen or myself, get critical of the modified. I've done strip, track, off-road and now restorations, and it's still a learning process for me. I note that someone with a 750 cfm carb decision, problem or recomendation, or my 'wheels don't fit', the modified guys jump all over it with wild, unusual and strange things to say. But when somebody has a 'generic' problem with a gauge or wiring, the mod guys avoid that poster as if they had leprosy. Jim
So the "kitchen"...is the classics, whether it be unrestored, restored, strip, track, off road, modified, or whatever the case may be...it's all about helping each other achieve what ever it is they are trying to achieve...right?
I've noticed how you usually answer posts... you chime in when you have a helpful fact or opinion and otherwise don't belittle others for their preferences. All I wish is that others would do the same.
If I know the answer on wire gage or original part condition I will chime in... but sadly my car was so originally butchered that I woudn't know right from wrong.
BTW... I have had that calendar shot of your white GT in my garage for years.
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Thanks. I'll tell the photographer. In that session, he kept asking me about the car and what did I do to it, mods and such. I told him none, well very few. When that particular shot was made, I was concerned about the lights wearing down the old battery and neither of us had jumpers. I held the reflector to get more light to the front of the car. If you want to see some nice photos of a great variety of cars, go to http://www.ronkimballstock.com/ Jim
I cannot for the life of me figure out why you are so passionate about something that seems so individual and, well... unimportant to me. As my engine sits, the only thing Ford designed is the block. Everything Ford designed and built had completely crapped out. I wasn't up for a big block... although it would have been a blast, too much engine bay reinvention for me. I wanted the sassiest little 289/302 I could get without pissing my wife off with the bills. I pushed it, but she still loves me. Name a part and I've gone better than what was designed as stock. Discs front and back, Granada, Jeep. Frame stiffening, brakes, wheels, fuel tank, Gauge cluster, suspension, steering... on and on with the upgrades. If I could pick up my body and slide an '07 Corvette soul under it, it would be done. I'm not capable. I thought original sucked. I don't morn for any of those original parts. There's really nothing wrong with the way my Carter carb is functioning. If you have this Megasquirt, the world is your dyno. You can adjust certain things and see results in real time. It seems to me, a luxury.
I'm befuddled not by the opinion of someone who likes the nostalgia of originality, but by the passion with which they hate the restomod movement. I was already aware of Glen's opinion; not particurly threatened by it. Many here tend to want to confront him. I'd just like to know WHY he and others have such energy behind that opinion. I think of all the homes in the US that were built before central air. Air conditioning is soooooooo cooooool! (pardon the pun). The upgrade to central air and an EFI upgrade are parallel in my mind, but not in everyone's mind. If any of you "originalators" would take the time to help me understand what specifically sparks such emotion regarding originality, there'd probably be a lot less confrontation here. Anyone care to give us the "why" behind these passionate opinions? A favorite memory? Treatened by change? Cause we should all like the same things the same way? What? I'd really like to know.
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