RE: Aluminum Driveshaft?
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RE: Aluminum Driveshaft? - 8/20/2007 4:22:04 PM
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pperin
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The Shaftmaster DS comes to you as a direct bolt on with you only having to put the four bolts on each end in place. No adapter plates or any of that nonsense. No indexing involved. You'll have to raise the car and place your jackstands so that four stands support the body and two additional stands are available to support the rear axle, you can also use a floor jack if you want. You have to be able to rotate the driveshaft itself so you can get to the bolts to tighten them. You can torge 'em if you want, but my mechanic said just crank them as tight as you can get them. Yes, use PLENTY of loctite! Rick my mechanic said invest in a new set of bolts from your Ford dealership because the bolts come with a special loctite already on them, and this stuff holds like hell. Good luck, Jack.
Hey Jl thanks alot your post really informed. Now can you tell me if the DS will make some real noticable diffence in the power being transfered to the wheels?
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RE: Aluminum Driveshaft? - 8/20/2007 6:18:17 PM
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jwilhelm
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Hi Phil (pperin), yes you will notice a major difference in the "feel" of the power going to the rear wheels. After driving mine now for a while, and really getting into it on a couple of occassions (left some really nice dual tire tracks out of my subdivision, and this is a V6 mind you), you can feel the difference in the sensation of less rotating mass along the drive line. It's hard to put this into words, but take my word for it, once you put the aluminum shaft in you'll be asking yourself why didn't I do that sooner (cost maybe?). You'll also strengthen your sense of confidence in the more secure feeling you'll get from knowing you got a stronger shaft in the driveline plus the super duty u-joints that come with these shafts. I seriously doubt if any of us will be breaking u-joints considering how strong these items are. And don' t forget another big plus with the aluminum shaft, you'll instantly drop 32 pounds form the car's weight and same amount of weight from the rotational mass in the driveline - bottom line - more horsepower gets to the rear wheels. Take care, Jack.
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RE: Aluminum Driveshaft? - 8/20/2007 6:34:27 PM
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rygenstormlocke
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The Shaftmaster DS is a top notch unit! Well worth the money! I see NO difference between it and the PH shaft other than price...
my full review is at: http://www.v6john.com/Main/Performance/Driveshaft/mistress_gets_the_shaft.htm
No offense John, I'm all for saving costs. But you don't have any track data to back your claim, your drive shaft saw no track time before you parted with the mistress. Also, visual inspection is not an objective analysis between the Shaftmasters piece and the PH piece.
Now given that, Shaftmasters has a very good reputation. My point is if you are going to do a cross compassion, have something more than a pic and no track time to back it up.
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RE: Aluminum Driveshaft? - 8/21/2007 1:54:46 PM
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scrming
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ORIGINAL: scrming
The Shaftmaster DS is a top notch unit! Well worth the money! I see NO difference between it and the PH shaft other than price...
my full review is at: http://www.v6john.com/Main/Performance/Driveshaft/mistress_gets_the_shaft.htm
No offense John, I'm all for saving costs. But you don't have any track data to back your claim, your drive shaft saw no track time before you parted with the mistress. Also, visual inspection is not an objective analysis between the Shaftmasters piece and the PH piece.
Now given that, Shaftmasters has a very good reputation. My point is if you are going to do a cross compassion, have something more than a pic and no track time to back it up.
What claim? My claim was I see no difference... And I don't... Look at the specs of the two driveshafts.. they are identical!! I'm not simply looking at them, i'm comparing specs! I would call that objective enough to say they are the same... To be objective at the track you would have to make mutliple runs with all 3 driveshafts (stock, ph and sm). I don't think anyone here is going to do that... Sorry but I don't see anything in the PH that makes it worth an extra $133.
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RE: Aluminum Driveshaft? - 8/21/2007 2:16:09 PM
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rygenstormlocke
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Thats fair enough man, but your post didn't indicate that the specs were the same, or you compared the specs. You simply posted "I see NO difference" and a pic. I too am very curious as to the difference between these units, because there has to be a reason for the cost difference. You are right, its not really realistic to test them both on the same car. Both companies have very good reputations, but my point is still..
1. We don't know for sure, the difference between the units
Here are the specs I could find from the PH site:
PowerHouse Automotive, LLC Aluminum Driveshaft. Weighs 14 pounds, decreasing rotational mass. 100% Bolt in, no need to replace pinion flange and recheck rear gear setup
# 4 inch diameter
# 3.0 inch 23 spline coupler, with nearly 3.5 inches of spline engagement.
# Includes Dustcover to protect the splined section from dirt and debris.
# Includes all hardware, and necessary adapters.
# Installation requires only common hand tools and can be done in less than 1 hour
Here are the specs I can find from the Shaftmasters site:
Direct Replacement for your Factory Steel Driveshaft
* Fits vehicles with automatic transmission
* Reduce weight and Rotational Mass
* Manufactured using ****er components including 1330 series solid u-joints
* 4 inch diameter
* 3 inch 23 spline coupler with almost 4 inches of spline engagement
* Includes dust cover to protect spline area from dirt and debris
* Installation requires only hand tools and can be done in less 1 hour
Installation Notes:
*Mustangs with Stock Ride Height - Direct bolt-in installation, no modification required.
*Mustangs that are Lowered 1-2 Inches - Emergency Brake Cable Bracket must be relocated 1 1/2 inches away from driveshaft tunnel to give additional clearance for driveshaft. This is a simple job of re-drilling bracket bolt hole.
*Mustangs that are lowered 2 Inches or more - Emergency Brake Cable Bracket must be relocated (as explained above), and two small flanges of metal that are part of the floorpan must be bent flat against the bottom of the tunnel. This is an easy 10 minute operation that will not effect the structural integrity of your Mustang.
From what I hear, Shaftmasters is top notch stuff. The descriptions of the products are very simular, but I would like to know 100% if there are differences. If there are not any major differences, than fair enough and go for the price savings.
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Best 1/4: 10.97@122.09, 1.56 60ft w/4.0 V6
Best 1/4: 11.67@115.45, 1.64 60ft w/5.4 3V
Best 1/8: 7.401@92.77, 1.65 60ft w/5.4 3V
www.rygen.net/stang
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RE: Aluminum Driveshaft? - 8/21/2007 6:36:25 PM
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scrming
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ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke
Thats fair enough man, but your post didn't indicate that the specs were the same, or you compared the specs. You simply posted "I see NO difference" and a pic. I too am very curious as to the difference between these units, because there has to be a reason for the cost difference. You are right, its not really realistic to test them both on the same car. Both companies have very good reputations, but my point is still..
1. We don't know for sure, the difference between the units
Here are the specs I could find from the PH site:
PowerHouse Automotive, LLC Aluminum Driveshaft. Weighs 14 pounds, decreasing rotational mass. 100% Bolt in, no need to replace pinion flange and recheck rear gear setup
# 4 inch diameter
# 3.0 inch 23 spline coupler, with nearly 3.5 inches of spline engagement.
# Includes Dustcover to protect the splined section from dirt and debris.
# Includes all hardware, and necessary adapters.
# Installation requires only common hand tools and can be done in less than 1 hour
Here are the specs I can find from the Shaftmasters site:
Direct Replacement for your Factory Steel Driveshaft
* Fits vehicles with automatic transmission
* Reduce weight and Rotational Mass
* Manufactured using ****er components including 1330 series solid u-joints
* 4 inch diameter
* 3 inch 23 spline coupler with almost 4 inches of spline engagement
* Includes dust cover to protect spline area from dirt and debris
* Installation requires only hand tools and can be done in less 1 hour
Installation Notes:
*Mustangs with Stock Ride Height - Direct bolt-in installation, no modification required.
*Mustangs that are Lowered 1-2 Inches - Emergency Brake Cable Bracket must be relocated 1 1/2 inches away from driveshaft tunnel to give additional clearance for driveshaft. This is a simple job of re-drilling bracket bolt hole.
*Mustangs that are lowered 2 Inches or more - Emergency Brake Cable Bracket must be relocated (as explained above), and two small flanges of metal that are part of the floorpan must be bent flat against the bottom of the tunnel. This is an easy 10 minute operation that will not effect the structural integrity of your Mustang.
From what I hear, Shaftmasters is top notch stuff. The descriptions of the products are very simular, but I would like to know 100% if there are differences. If there are not any major differences, than fair enough and go for the price savings.
My bad... yes, I should have clarified that I had compared specs....
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RE: Aluminum Driveshaft? - 8/21/2007 7:37:53 PM
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rygenstormlocke
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No sweat John, we've been at this for a long time...and its rare when you and I engage in debate. Though we always manage to come out of it in a friendly manner. You are right, I jumped the gun on track testing, impossible to do back to back in a privately owned car.
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Best 1/4: 11.67@115.45, 1.64 60ft w/5.4 3V
Best 1/8: 7.401@92.77, 1.65 60ft w/5.4 3V
www.rygen.net/stang
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RE: Aluminum Driveshaft? - 8/22/2007 3:12:06 AM
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Kriger
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I put one in that I had custom made at a rear axle & driveshaft shop. Top notch! It weighs alot less, maybe only a 1/3rd of the weight. It's very smooth... I can feel it in the peddle... it will allow a few extra horses to the rearwheels... nothing to get that excited about however when combined with other mods the overall package muffler/cai/tune/driveshaft is a rather nice experience and really brings the v6 to life.
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RE: Aluminum Driveshaft? - 8/22/2007 3:23:51 AM
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scrming
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ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke
No sweat John, we've been at this for a long time...and its rare when you and I engage in debate. Though we always manage to come out of it in a friendly manner. You are right, I jumped the gun on track testing, impossible to do back to back in a privately owned car.
LOL! Yeah, don't think there's anything that would cause us to start calling each other bad names...
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RE: Aluminum Driveshaft? - 8/22/2007 3:26:02 AM
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scrming
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Hey John, You got rid of the mistress?????Sold it or just put it in the garage?
She's gone... sad but true... a very tough decision... but it was the right one...
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RE: Aluminum Driveshaft? - 8/22/2007 6:21:26 AM
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banka87
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What the hell made that decision come about!?
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RE: Aluminum Driveshaft? - 8/22/2007 6:28:30 AM
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scrming
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What the hell made that decision come about!?
change in priorities...
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RE: Aluminum Driveshaft? - 8/22/2007 10:53:28 AM
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Trmachuno
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With mods on ur car like CAI, 93 Tune, and Hi-flow Muffler, how many rwhp gains could u expect from this mod? Is 5-10 reasonable? and any other benefits, rev quicker? no vibration at 100mph? How much less weight exactly? Install is approximately how long? from the way everyone's talking, I guess a half hour tops.
Thanx for the info!!!
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RE: Aluminum Driveshaft? - 8/29/2007 9:00:19 AM
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Dwisforme05
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john whos got the car now?!
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