Here is a guy that is on the forum that just had his done where I am getting mine done. Click on the Mustang GT when on the link and he had some vids that may help ya! http://www.mkeeler.com/
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2006 Mustang GT with Cervinis Kit Whipple H.O S/C 465 RWHP and 440RWTQ
I have done tons of research on the net and reading through the forums and I have finally came to the FRPP whipple non-int. Looks like the easiest to install yourself which I plan on doing.
It is for a daily driver that I dont want to have to replace anything else. An extra 75-100 horse is good enough for me....for now. Later it can grow with your needs.
Yeah from what I have read they send you a tuner in the mail once you register it. I figure they do it so that ford knows to void your warranty.
I also plan on having mine tuned by VMP. If you choose the Whipple intercooled or non and want some help with the install, (as I assume you live in the Orlando area), let me know I might be available, and would love the practice . Even if I cant make the install I might want a ride, just to reinforce my decision.
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I'm with ya moosetang, have come so close to pulling the trigger on the Paxton several times but after attending Mustang week and few weeks ago in Myrtle Beach and seeing how clean the Whipple install is compared to a Centri I'm really leaning toward the Whipple. Then again it's a lot more money, but then again I really would like to go with Brenspeed tunes so then again Saleen makes a nice clean install too, so then again maybe a Saleen then..... SHEEEESH! One thing is for sure though, in my research for a supercharger over the past few months I've talked to several people including alot of you guys in here and regardless whether it's a Paxton, Vortech, Saleen, Whipple, or KB, I've yet to find anybody that regrets it or dislikes their setup.
Hammeron, I noticed you put in a plug for a "non" intercooled Whipple. Which leads me to a thought or question, I'd like to defer the cost of the cooler but isnt it much easier on "parts" to have the cooler?? especially for a daily driver where reliability and durability is concerned. If I understand correctly, when you compress air like the blower does, the temperature really skyrockets. Just a thought to continue a good thread for the tight wads and indecisive.
I know you didnt direct the question to me, but.....
You are correct the compression of the air by the blower causes heat. The heat rises with increases in boost, ie higher boost, higher temps. Hot air doesnt have as much oxygen but then again you are cramming air down the engines throat with the blower anyway. At low boost pressure like 6 pounds as seen with the base non-intercoooled whipple an intercooler is not mandatory.
Ford built this kit as a conservative set up and will even warranty the drivetrain, which means they are sure it is safe. As long as you dont try to up the boost or go with a real aggressive tune all is well. It also doesnt produce as high power numbers which is easier on the hardware, engine, trans etc.
Ford and whipple sell a kit to upgrade the non-intercooled kit to the HO intercooled kit which pumps out 500 hp.
As you said any kind of FI is better than none.
Just as a note MM&FF installed the non-intercooled kit on stock GT automatic and ran a 12.6 on street tires. Not too shabby for about $4200.
all good points you make, no doubt. i only suggested the whipple non-intercooled, because it is close in price to what moose is willing to spend right now.
6psi will not harm the engine in any way, that is what Jared @ Lethal says and I believe him. everyone should use theie own good judgement, when strapping an air compressor to their baby
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Hammeron, I noticed you put in a plug for a "non" intercooled Whipple. Which leads me to a thought or question, I'd like to defer the cost of the cooler but isnt it much easier on "parts" to have the cooler?? especially for a daily driver where reliability and durability is concerned. If I understand correctly, when you compress air like the blower does, the temperature really skyrockets. Just a thought to continue a good thread for the tight wads and indecisive.
Hmmmmm, so $5300 for the saleen and a little more power or $4200 for a little less power, but probably less hassle when i need to change my clutch.
I took another look at the whipple and I was thinking of the kenne I guess. The whipples air cleaner is in the stock location. I was thinking it went over to the passenger side and down. D'Agostino racing sells a tune for the whipple that's supposed to be pretty good from what i've read, but I'll probably just get it tuned at VMP.
I live 1 1/2 hours north of Deland, not exactly Orlando.
Brent said to go with the saleen if I can afford it.
Hammeron, hows the whipple during cruising? Do you know it's there or does it only scream like a banshee at WOT? I listened to a few sound clips and it does sound mean at full throttle.
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all good points you make, no doubt. i only suggested the whipple non-intercooled, because it is close in price to what moose is willing to spend right now.
6psi will not harm the engine in any way, that is what Jared @ Lethal says and I believe him. everyone should use theie own good judgement, when strapping an air compressor to their baby
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Hammeron, I noticed you put in a plug for a "non" intercooled Whipple. Which leads me to a thought or question, I'd like to defer the cost of the cooler but isnt it much easier on "parts" to have the cooler?? especially for a daily driver where reliability and durability is concerned. If I understand correctly, when you compress air like the blower does, the temperature really skyrockets. Just a thought to continue a good thread for the tight wads and indecisive.
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whipple HO SC,FRPP springs, Pypes mid mufflers, Che adj. LCA, hurst, 4.10's, 1 piece DS, spec stg 2 clutch. Accel coils 12.52@117.6mph so far with a 2.01 60 ft time(pre shaft, coils, clutch).
I just realized that I will have to get a custom tune for the whipple. My speedo will be way off with the 4.10 gears! Otherwise my car is basically stock as far as the engine is concerned. I'm going to see how much a mail order tune is from D'Agostino racing, I don't want to have to drive almost 2 hours to the dyno with the speedo being off by 15mph.
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whipple HO SC,FRPP springs, Pypes mid mufflers, Che adj. LCA, hurst, 4.10's, 1 piece DS, spec stg 2 clutch. Accel coils 12.52@117.6mph so far with a 2.01 60 ft time(pre shaft, coils, clutch).
I was talking about warranty work on the supercharger or even repairing it out of warranty. I don't remembering reading about relocating the alternator in the paxton instructions. I haven't found the vortech instructions online, if anyone knows where they are please shoot me a link.
I can see how many pages mine came with and if possible scan them for you.
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I can see how many pages mine came with and if possible scan them for you.
No need, i found them on the vortech website.
Has anyone actually purchased the non intercooled whipple from www.blueovalperformance.net? Their price of $4274 is about $600 cheaper than everyone else.
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whipple HO SC,FRPP springs, Pypes mid mufflers, Che adj. LCA, hurst, 4.10's, 1 piece DS, spec stg 2 clutch. Accel coils 12.52@117.6mph so far with a 2.01 60 ft time(pre shaft, coils, clutch).
hey moose, cruising you don't even know it's there. when you mash the go pedal, it creates a beautiful sound that will make you smile, no matter how your day is going
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Hammeron, hows the whipple during cruising? Do you know it's there or does it only scream like a banshee at WOT? I listened to a few sound clips and it does sound mean at full throttle.
Anyone know how much the cooler is seperate? Say I just want to add the cooler later and not change anything else, how much am I looking at?
Thanks.
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all good points you make, no doubt. i only suggested the whipple non-intercooled, because it is close in price to what moose is willing to spend right now.
6psi will not harm the engine in any way, that is what Jared @ Lethal says and I believe him. everyone should use theie own good judgement, when strapping an air compressor to their baby
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ORIGINAL: aclass
Hammeron, I noticed you put in a plug for a "non" intercooled Whipple. Which leads me to a thought or question, I'd like to defer the cost of the cooler but isnt it much easier on "parts" to have the cooler?? especially for a daily driver where reliability and durability is concerned. If I understand correctly, when you compress air like the blower does, the temperature really skyrockets. Just a thought to continue a good thread for the tight wads and indecisive.
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whipple HO SC,FRPP springs, Pypes mid mufflers, Che adj. LCA, hurst, 4.10's, 1 piece DS, spec stg 2 clutch. Accel coils 12.52@117.6mph so far with a 2.01 60 ft time(pre shaft, coils, clutch).
whipple lists the intercooler upgrade kit at around $2050, so figure about 15 - 20% less perhaps, at an authorized distributor
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Anyone know how much the cooler is seperate? Say I just want to add the cooler later and not change anything else, how much am I looking at?
Thanks.
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ORIGINAL: hammeron
all good points you make, no doubt. i only suggested the whipple non-intercooled, because it is close in price to what moose is willing to spend right now.
6psi will not harm the engine in any way, that is what Jared @ Lethal says and I believe him. everyone should use theie own good judgement, when strapping an air compressor to their baby
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ORIGINAL: aclass
Hammeron, I noticed you put in a plug for a "non" intercooled Whipple. Which leads me to a thought or question, I'd like to defer the cost of the cooler but isnt it much easier on "parts" to have the cooler?? especially for a daily driver where reliability and durability is concerned. If I understand correctly, when you compress air like the blower does, the temperature really skyrockets. Just a thought to continue a good thread for the tight wads and indecisive.
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With the Whipple, is it one tune and one tune only that you get with the Ford tune tool?? Also, when you do flash your PCM with their tool, it would still be possible for you to use the SCT2 if a known tuner were to create them in that format wouldnt it??
ok, i must also add.....this is what i believe and NOT necessarily fact.....
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With the Whipple, is it one tune and one tune only that you get with the Ford tune tool??
yes, just one tune
Also, when you do flash your PCM with their tool, it would still be possible for you to use the SCT2 if a known tuner were to create them in that format wouldnt it??
i believe that if you wanted to load a custom tune, the sct would simply save the frpp tune as "the stock" tune.
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I would concur with that assumption. Sucks that the whipple tuner doesn't atleast allow you to change gear ratios and such, but I want it on a dyno anyway so no biggie.
The whipple is in the lead right now if I can get it for $4,274. It will be nice if it dynoed at 415rwhp like they claim.
Hammeron, i saw a picture of everything that's included in the basic kit and it looked like there was a new coolant crossover tube. Can you verify that?
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good questions
ok, i must also add.....this is what i believe and NOT necessarily fact.....
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ORIGINAL: aclass
With the Whipple, is it one tune and one tune only that you get with the Ford tune tool??
yes, just one tune
Also, when you do flash your PCM with their tool, it would still be possible for you to use the SCT2 if a known tuner were to create them in that format wouldnt it??
i believe that if you wanted to load a custom tune, the sct would simply save the frpp tune as "the stock" tune.
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whipple HO SC,FRPP springs, Pypes mid mufflers, Che adj. LCA, hurst, 4.10's, 1 piece DS, spec stg 2 clutch. Accel coils 12.52@117.6mph so far with a 2.01 60 ft time(pre shaft, coils, clutch).
Right on both parts as I am getting the SCT with mine and custom dyno tunes for the other tunes next week!
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good questions
ok, i must also add.....this is what i believe and NOT necessarily fact.....
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ORIGINAL: aclass
With the Whipple, is it one tune and one tune only that you get with the Ford tune tool??
yes, just one tune
Also, when you do flash your PCM with their tool, it would still be possible for you to use the SCT2 if a known tuner were to create them in that format wouldnt it??
i believe that if you wanted to load a custom tune, the sct would simply save the frpp tune as "the stock" tune.
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2006 Mustang GT with Cervinis Kit Whipple H.O S/C 465 RWHP and 440RWTQ
It will be nice if it dynoed at 415rwhp like they claim.
With the frpp tune, i think it's gonna dyno around 400rwhp
Hammeron, i saw a picture of everything that's included in the basic kit and it looked like there was a new coolant crossover tube. Can you verify that?
yes, a new coolant crossover is part of the new setup
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ORIGINAL: hammeron
good questions
ok, i must also add.....this is what i believe and NOT necessarily fact.....
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ORIGINAL: aclass
With the Whipple, is it one tune and one tune only that you get with the Ford tune tool??
yes, just one tune
Also, when you do flash your PCM with their tool, it would still be possible for you to use the SCT2 if a known tuner were to create them in that format wouldnt it??
i believe that if you wanted to load a custom tune, the sct would simply save the frpp tune as "the stock" tune.
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mygt500, You're ordering your Whipple and NOT getting the Ford Tune Tool but a SCT2 tune??? OR are you having your Whipple dyno'd and custom tuned using a SCT2? Sorry for the confusion, just interested b/c I hadnt seen a S/C dealer that sold the Whipple that way. If so, you know you have to share your sources....... inlcuding price.
Thanks
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Right on both parts as I am getting the SCT with mine and custom dyno tunes for the other tunes next week!
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ORIGINAL: hammeron
good questions
ok, i must also add.....this is what i believe and NOT necessarily fact.....
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ORIGINAL: aclass
With the Whipple, is it one tune and one tune only that you get with the Ford tune tool??
yes, just one tune
Also, when you do flash your PCM with their tool, it would still be possible for you to use the SCT2 if a known tuner were to create them in that format wouldnt it??
i believe that if you wanted to load a custom tune, the sct would simply save the frpp tune as "the stock" tune.
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I'm pretty sure it was either VMP or lethal peformance that offered cutom tunes via an SCT tuner for the Whipple. This way we could change gear ratios if necessary.
I'm pretty sure it was either VMP or lethal peformance that offered cutom tunes via an SCT tuner for the Whipple. This way we could change gear ratios if necessary.
I got a reponsed from whipple about gears, horsepower claims, etc.
The kit comes with a voucher that you will use to register for the flash tool from FRPP. You will need these other mod's (i.e. gears, tires) done before you register so that the speedo and computer are calibrated correctly. The NON IC kit is 400HP at the fly (about 350 at the tires). 350 at the wheels would be a huge dissappointment for $4k. I'm guessing that you can fill out the voucher and put that you have 4.10 gears, etc.
Here is my email response from blueovalperformance.net about their $4,274 price for the non intercooled whipple kit
Some pricing has changed, please call us I will try to make it worth your wild360-993-1745 thank yourefer to this email, thank you
Sound like a bunch of ****ing crooks to me. I won't be buying sh!t from anyone who can't keep their pricing correct.
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whipple HO SC,FRPP springs, Pypes mid mufflers, Che adj. LCA, hurst, 4.10's, 1 piece DS, spec stg 2 clutch. Accel coils 12.52@117.6mph so far with a 2.01 60 ft time(pre shaft, coils, clutch).
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. Even if I cant make the install I might want a ride, just to reinforce my decision.
