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You dont need to email me, post it here. It'll be crazy... - 7/31/2007 11:00:41 PM
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seight311
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hot wheels from Mustang Forums <egb34me@yahoo.com> wrote:
the only reason i posted was because i know how the kicker performs. not for bitching about/at hiss. any nationally known brand that comes to question you guys put down for the sake of some virtully unknown brand. if people can afford to have a name tag in their trunk and are not looking at bottom rock prices leave them and their choices alone and quit pushing your crap on people. thanks again, hotwheels, with, god dare i say, kicker and jl audio in my vehicles?.
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You cant say I push any brand more than you do. The only posts I ever see you make in the A/V section are right after Hisss says something, never any other time. Thats why I said that. No we dont put down any nationally known brand just for no reason. There are plenty of nationally known brands we talk about all the time. They are just far beyond 95% of the people in the A/V forum including you. McIntosh, Focal, Brax, Audison, Morel if you have heard of any of those it's from the MF A/V forum. Those are all national brands. They are just so pricey that no Best Buy or little local shop could sell because they cant make any money when they would only sell 20 amps a year. Alot of people can afford to be suckers, I mean afford big name stuff, your right. And I salute you for that if it wasn't for you buying and putting equipment like that in your car, mine wouldn't look and sound so good now would it. And finally it's not mine as far as me owning or being employeed by any car audio manufacturer or retailer, and it's not crap, just because you have never owned any of it let alone heard it doesn't give you the right to knock it. Now Hisss, PReal, ttocs and myself have heard, used and owned many different pieces of equipment and can actually compare it to something outside of Alpine, Kicker, JL and RF crap thats in every corner audio store in the country.
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RE: You dont need to email me, post it here. It'll be c... - 8/1/2007 11:40:03 AM
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ttocs
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what the F did I miss?
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RE: You dont need to email me, post it here. It'll be c... - 8/1/2007 12:41:51 PM
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Add JButlerJr to the list as well. We had a discussion in another one of the topics, and he is another one of the few. I jsut assumed he was another ignorant kid, didn;t expalin myself, and then came out looking like a idiot. he actually has run McIntosh amps in his own vehicle, along with a number of other very nice pieces of equipment.
Ttocs, you didn't miss anything. Its the just the same old crap where someone posts that their best buy or JL equipment is the best out there, and if someone disagrees they get thier panties in a bunch. I try to stay away from the "your stuff is garbage" comments, but there are a number of members with little to no experience in ar audio making recommendations and it really hurts trying to help people. I will state that JL makes some nice equipment and that back in the day stillwater designs kicked some butt, but I will never recommend those brands for the money. The fact we don't tell everyone to buy JL, Kicker, RF, etc. really hurts some people's feelings.
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RE: You dont need to email me, post it here. It'll be c... - 8/1/2007 12:52:11 PM
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what the F did I miss?
You didn't mean to miss this, it was just an email sent to me that I thought I would share. I have no reason to say anything through email I wouldn't say on here, so I thought I would share.
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RE: You dont need to email me, post it here. It'll be c... - 8/1/2007 3:02:50 PM
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LOL! need your buddies to help gang up? whatever. still say ya'll push junk. but hey, that's why we live in America, to each there own.
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RE: You dont need to email me, post it here. It'll be c... - 8/1/2007 5:56:31 PM
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LOL! need your buddies to help gang up? whatever. still say ya'll push junk. but hey, that's why we live in America, to each there own.
Why do you refer to the brands we recommend as junk?
I have never referred to JL as junk, it is just overpriced.
Kicker just sounds like garbage, but it is solid equipment for the most part.
Memphis makes a descent product, but I've never heard one of thier comps I was in love with.
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RE: You dont need to email me, post it here. It'll be c... - 8/1/2007 7:20:20 PM
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LOL! need your buddies to help gang up? whatever. still say ya'll push junk. but hey, that's why we live in America, to each there own.
How old are you - 13? Stop lolly gagging around on the forums and sending emails to people you don't know over a brand of audio equipment. If you don't like something or you think these other brands are indeed "junk", then how about you put some reasoning behind it? And if you haven't heard it then you really have no right to comment on it. It may just be me, but I'd prefer to see people like you simply not participate in conversations that require the functioning of your brain, because that is obviously a problem for you.
Seight, Preal, TTocs, and Hiss all have helped me setup some stuff and I see them give out excellent recommendations to people everyday.
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RE: You dont need to email me, post it here. It'll be c... - 8/1/2007 8:35:33 PM
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LOL! need your buddies to help gang up? whatever. still say ya'll push junk. but hey, that's why we live in America, to each there own.
No, I dont need anyone to help me out. I just want the people that you make suggestions to people to know what an immature childish person you are, then maybe they will take your suggestions less seriously. I sent the same message back to you, hence the copy and paste from my email. And you didn't even send a PM, you went out of your way to send me a personal email.
Say we push junk all you want, you obviously have no experience whatsoever in car audio aside from what your brainwashing local JL and Kicker saleperson tells you. Actually I have an email from JL's president about me questioning him as to why I should buy a W7 over a 13Av2. He sent me nothing back stating anything about why, he simply talked about why the W7 was great and that it is one of the better drivers on the market, absolutly nothing about which is the true better driver, nor any spec or reason or rhyme why I should spend double the amount of money for the W7, simply because there isn't one. I sent him one a month ago about why I should choose a W7 over an MTX 9500 in preperation for the 13Av2 email and all he talked was specs and every possible reason the W7 is a better driver (which it is). But not the same story when replying to the 13Av2 email.
I then question why his company is so persistent about taking legal action against a "worthless, hole-in-the-wall" company and I am yet to recieve a response on that one, the first email took less than 3 hours. The one about the suing eD was sent early last week.
He also ragged on eD saying they dont use a state of the art assembly process, all they use is glue and some clamps to put their woofers together etc. etc. saying how they were using such ancient techniques. But then again they wanted to take them to court for copyright infringement on a basket design... Yeah JL is a real great company. He also didn't answer why the state of the art assembly process was so great that it could only give a 1 year warranty, and eD's glue and clamp process can allow them to give a 5 year warranty.
Only the best from the President of the biggest name in car audio!
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RE: You dont need to email me, post it here. It'll be c... - 8/1/2007 8:40:22 PM
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Thats pretty damn funny. Your damned clever Seight 
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RE: You dont need to email me, post it here. It'll be c... - 8/1/2007 8:57:26 PM
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I love to humor myself what can I say.
And it's good for occasions like this when someone wants to talk up JL saying that it really is worth the money. I would have respected him so much more for being upfront and saying "The 13Av2 is a better driver than the W7." I may have actually went out and bought something JL, like wiring maybe, maybe an amp, just for being cool enough to admit that.
I have asked eD questions about several products from other companies, I asked why I should buy a 13Av2 over an Adire Tumult, he said honestly the Tumult is a driver that sounds amazing and is loud as all hell in the right enclosure. They have the all mighty XBL^2 technology in them. Thats one of the best drivers on the market, easily in the top 5, possibly in the top 3, you cant say its the best because it's all subjective and everything. I would love to see you with an eD driver in your car, but the Tumult is a driver than can be confidently said to be a better driver than the 13Av2, do I agree? No because 1. I work for eD, and 2. Sound is subjective so I can think whatever I want. But then he said, "Not to say you dont know anything, but being who I am, I have access to a little more information on the market than you and I have to tell you, if that driver fails out (this was back in March mind you) Adire very well likely wont be around to cover any warranty work, and for that reason alone I wouldn't be spending $500 that your worked for on a driver that has nothing to back it up" And I must admit, if Ford was going out of business and wasnt handing over their warranty work to anyone, I sure as hell wouldn't be buying a new Mustang, you know. And wouldn't you know it, early July Adire shut it's doors, they are done, it's possible DW and some of the other main people from Adire may start a new company with some other people, but Adire is history.
Basically im saying eD is honest and that goes far with people, especially me. I cant tell you how many people came in and asked me about stuff sold in a different store back when I worked at a place that did sell JL, those people came back to me and thanked me for being honest with them and bought atleast one thing to say thanks for being upfront with them, I caught quite a bit of heat from the boss when he got wind of it, but I just cant strait up lie to someone so my employer makes $15 on a certain headunit. Especially not when a guy comes in and hands us his keys and says put the best of everything my car, call me when it's done and the boss says double his labor cause he wont notice the difference in price.
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RE: You dont need to email me, post it here. It'll be c... - 8/2/2007 5:39:56 AM
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Those are some great posts Seight.
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RE: You dont need to email me, post it here. It'll be c... - 8/2/2007 8:37:30 AM
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I LOVE JL......... The shop that I do side work at throws them in all day long and as installer I LOVE them. I can set up a system that will sound killer, and send it out the door knowing that I will not see them until they upgrade or pull the system for a new car. They are a rock solid product that I honestly believe is worth every penny(with except the W7). I am not going to write the company that makes a product and ask a silly question like that to be honest, what kind of answer did you expect? Do you go to a cheby person and ask them why they are better? GM makes some good stuff, and some bad stuff just like JL and every other company. If I want an honest opinion of a product I will not ask somebody associated with it, certianly not financially tied to it and expect a good answer.
I am also privvy to an industry only forum that has ALL of the big names in audio in it. I wish you could see the posts of them honestly discussing their products vs thier competitors in a open an proffesional forum. They get over my head when they get into some of the numbers but those guys are smart enough to know that what sounds good to them, may sound bad to me......... its all relative fellas...
I am currently knee deep in finishing my own stereo with overpriced, beautifull sounding and great looking equipment that would be considered overpriced by some but will rock everyones ass off... My deck is an alpine 9856(I think thats it). There certainly is cheaper and there are probably a few other decks that are a better bang for the buck. My amps I am currently torn between alpine PDX(WAY overprice but solid and efficient and DAMN good lookin) and JL(we will move past this on) but hope to make a decision and purchase hopefully this weekend. My subs are 4 MB Quart 8", and I decided to use diamond audio HEX 3 way componants for my front stand and probably a 4" hex componant for the rears. Diamond is also WAY overprice by some peoples standards but most of those people have not heard of them, let alone heard the speaker....... And then somebody else will probably chime in and say how stupid the rear fill is, especially rear fill that costs that much. Great, thanks for your opinion, sit and listen and then tell me what you think, don't touch a damn thing since it is absolutely perfect IMO and WAY too good for you(another way to say overpriced sometimes).
In reality I work in the industry and have collected some of this stuff at discount over the years(the subs were free!) and hope to get the rest on accomodations from the company so I am not paying what you think I am, and of course the labor is free. But I would probably buy the same stuff even if I did not work in the industry. My first amp was a super small and cheap MTX amp powering a bazooka, I later upgraded to a jensen amp and later to a pioneer when I was a big spender. I started with crap and I replaced it pretty quickly. I like to pay to get some good shtuff, put it in, make it look perty and then listen to it for another 10 yrs before I have to mess with it again..... If you want to pay for some crap, waste some time to put it in and not be happy only to waste more time to pull it out, pay more money for something else, waste more time to put it in only to not be happy and wast more time to pull it out, pay more money for something else, and repeat...........
whos wasting time/money?
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RE: You dont need to email me, post it here. It'll be c... - 8/2/2007 8:53:38 AM
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Preal, ttocs, and think the guy or kid watches Unique Whips to much since for the most part the only equipment they use is JL. I have recently noticed they are using more JBL.
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