RE: Ford vs GM vs Others
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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/3/2007 1:22:57 AM
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Redneck97
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oh but wait according to you a family of four will be able to use a vette or a camaro as a family car!
actually you can put 4 people ina camaro.....Ive had 7+me=8 lol. tight squeeze.
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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/3/2007 6:31:52 AM
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spoke2go1
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ok were going on pure performance then?
ford owns jaguar
ford owns mazda
and then ford have the ford racing line
let see...mazda speed series
mazda rx8
the jaguar xk
the mustang in all its forms (ill throw in saleen, roush etc just for the hell of it)
yup, i think ive got you matched for performance in a broader view
the mazdas will eat the cobalt
the jag eats anything caddy could make
and ford is just a tad bit underpowered compared the the vette and the imaginary camaro (you know as well as i do the concept car is nothing like its showroom version)
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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/3/2007 3:50:26 PM
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Clif Brohn
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The GM performance argument blows on asshole because the only things they sell right now that performs is the Corvette and both performance Cadillacs. SS Cobalt is slower than my weak-sauce mustang, even the one without an engine. An S197 V6 mustang will run a S/C'ed Cobalt, the Tahoe/Silverado/SS trucks are all slow and the only reason GM is getting away with it is because they are cheaper than the SRT-10 Rams and Ford hasnt built the new Lightning yet. Monte Carlo SS, any FWD V8 powered car for that fact is just a f*cking waste of time and aluminium. CTS-V is nice but slower than SRT-8, also more expensive. But I dont recall hearing any stories of SRT-8s killing themselves through normal driving practices....Ford sells excellent trucks, not only is the new F150 equipped with the strongest chasis in a half ton truck, Saleen and Roush have their own ass kicking supercharged versions that can be bought through Ford. Ford also sells the truck with the most weight and towing capacity, not to mention the fact that they are just sick. Ford GT was so fast the DOT shut it's production down......don't see whats so glamorous about GM.
The reason i said ignorant is you left out a good deal of Ford's aftermarket performance partners that build and sell FAST mustangs and F150s through Ford with factory warranties. Companies such as Roush, Saleen, Shelby, and Steeda. And for what it's worth, a $60,000 Steeda Q650 mustang is only a few tenths slower than the best recorded ET in a an LS7 powered corvette, and almost pulls as many g's on a skidpad.
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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/3/2007 4:23:49 PM
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yea ford adds s/c
but chevy has a 5.7
imagine if ford dropped in a 5.4 into every v8 mustang
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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/3/2007 4:45:39 PM
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Clif Brohn
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Stallion's gone off his rocker. Not only did he manage to misread a simply constructed sentence(even if you believe the F150 doesnt have the strongest half ton chasis on the market, there ISNT a non-commercial truck that will out-tow, out haul, or out-crush smaller vehicles in comparison to the F450). The reason Ford uses cast iron blocks in their FI cars is because unless the aluminium block is treated to multiple castings, like the Ford GT's all aluminium, 660hp 5.4L SBF; then all of the heat would rise through the block and into the supercharger....exactly where you dont want it. Only reason the Cobra/GT500/Lightnings have iron blocks, because they are stronger for the price of a block and reduce heat sink.
And not exactly to my surprise, the ignorance keeps flowing! An S197 V6 coupe, 5 spd, is a 3200lbs car with options. That aint exactly heavy. Not only that, the only "LS7" type engines you will find from Ford are in Ford's performance catalogs. Ford uses FI so much because it is BETTER. Period. You cant deny this at all. FI takes to mods better, which means it's easier to make an FI faster for less money. Ford wants that. Not only that, using FI makes hp and tq easier and with better powerbands, it does it more effeciently(since you've been throwing this word around so much) in the simple fact that making 500hp on motor requires cubic inches and high compression ratios, whereas using a supercharger or turbo doesnt. Using a supercharger allows for the use of smaller engines that rev easier and utilize lower compression ratios. Lower compression ratios make engines last longer. Supercharging an engine to make hp even makes the cost per unit lower. Sorry Ford builds better performance V8s than Chevrolet. Thats just the way things are. Ford does understand these things that Chevrolet has implemented in three automobiles. They also understand that luxury sells cars as well. Which is the bulk of the GT500's portly weight, all the extra goodies. I find it laughable that you are preaching about Chevrolet's weight, effeciency, and power when it takes GM 5.3L to make 300hp, the majority of the performance cars you are preaching about are large, heavy SUVs and pickups, with a coblt throne in for good measure.
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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/3/2007 6:04:32 PM
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Clif Brohn
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I dont want to tell her anything, thats why i waited until this thread got some people fired up. Thats when I strike. You just need to realise that Ford HAS made 500+hp N/A engines, they just seem to prefer FI. Which isnt bad, in actuallity it's quite unique for today's American sports vehicles. I also suggest you take a peek at Ford's FRPP crate engines if you think the blue oval cant make anything with some jones that doesnt have a supercharger strapped onto it.
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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/3/2007 6:52:15 PM
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spoke2go1
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lol horsepower craze
i thought we were in the hybrid craze and gas was starting to get expensive
but im done
clif, you sir are a god
i hope to know as much as you
but seriously i know some ****
i dont think ford is god, i love ford dearly and ill push my mustang before i drive my friends eclipse but i admit ford could take some lessons from toyota and honda
namely in the resale and mpg department
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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/4/2007 5:41:17 PM
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Clif Brohn
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He's right guys......Chevrolet is actually the Greek word for God.....
What we have here is a fanboy One. that cant admit than an LS2 and some SS badging doesnt make a 6,000lbs vehicle FAST. You dont like forced induction, too bad, just means more for me. Hell, I'm even building a 466ci Fox right now and love pushrods to death. But modular power is where it's at. If Ford ever ventured back into the 400ci+ range like Chevrolet with one of their s/c'ed engines, that SOB would be powering space shuttles, not mustangs and F150s
But, i cant change your mind, you've got it set on some ridiculous vision of GM doing something right short of the three performance cars they have that are actually fast.
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