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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 7/31/2007 6:38:15 AM

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Ford GT is a nice super car, but after its release, i havent seen or heard anything about it...

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 7/31/2007 7:18:40 AM

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do you expect to be seeing ford GTs everywhere? Ive seen one once, but its only because a guy who comes to a show thats 1/4 mile form my house is also a super car collector, so i also got to see his S7. I dont think most people on here go around seeing ford GTs very much

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 7/31/2007 1:39:08 PM

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Thats not what i ment.. They dont get any media... I see Shelby GT-500s on the street though... But I see alot more Camaros especially SS models and Corvettes, and according to a previous post the GT-500 is supposedly a car thats to compete with Corvettes and Vipers... i see those but GTs i do not.

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 7/31/2007 3:59:09 PM

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Thats not what i ment.. They dont get any media... I see Shelby GT-500s on the street though... But I see alot more Camaros especially SS models and Corvettes, and according to a previous post the GT-500 is supposedly a car thats to compete with Corvettes and Vipers... i see those but GTs i do not.

take that with a huge grain of salt. 40k vs 80k+

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 7/31/2007 5:08:11 PM

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Wow this thread is really kickin off, cool! Yeah everything that i've looked into when comparing any kind of the newer mustangs and corvettes (like v6, gt, shelby, and what not) ford competes with the corvette very well with there being a big difference in $$$

On another point. Did you guys know that the Ford Motor Co. lost 12.6 billion in 2006, while G.M. only lost about 4.6 billion? Even though both companies are amongst a "turnaround" in their companies... thats a big difference beteen the 2!

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 7/31/2007 9:58:02 PM

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I've seen 3 ford GTs, on red w/ white stripes, one silver with blue stripes and one black with white stripes (I think thos are the combos) and those things are ****ing loud as hell.

don't they cost like 150 grand? someone told me that, but I can't see ford selling too many 100grand+ cars.

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/1/2007 12:50:54 AM

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ford competes with the corvette very well with there being a big difference in $$$

Ford cant compete with Chevys Corvette. Maybe as far as price goes, but in the performance department they dont stand a chance.. The Z06 Makes 505hp out of a STOCK 7L LS7 Aluminum block, while the Ford Mustang GT500 makes 500hp out a 5.4L Iron block, Roots Eaton supercharger and air to water intercooler and Aluminum heads. BUT even with all those fancy modifications its still cheaper than a 2008 Z06... Why? Because of how they are built I would imagine it costs a pretty penny to create the body/engine for a corvette than it does a Mustang.

Ford cannot build a car thats faster than a Chevy car of similar stature (ie. Camaro Z28 vs Mustang GT, LS2 Corvette vs Mustang GT and especially Shelby GT-500 Vs Z06.) without supercharging it. And im not talking early models either, im talking late models, cars that are up and coming and are new to the streets that have better more modern technologies than the old boats of the 60s 70s and early 80s.

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/1/2007 8:55:21 AM

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Well I wasn't saying that Ford was actually better then Chevey Corvettes in the power aspect or head to head... I was only saying that consedering the price difference they do ok

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/1/2007 9:18:24 PM

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I've seen 3 ford GTs, on red w/ white stripes, one silver with blue stripes and one black with white stripes (I think thos are the combos) and those things are ****ing loud as hell.

don't they cost like 150 grand? someone told me that, but I can't see ford selling too many 100grand+ cars.

lol they werent plannin on makin too many
it was a limited edition car made to celebrate fords 100th bday

and for god sakes the mustang was never supposed to compete with the corvette, people always get it twisted that way
the thunderbird was supposed to go up against the vette but it failed miserably and went from a 2 seater to a 4 seater coupe
the vette has 2 seats while the stang has 4 (even though we all know the back seats are useless for people)

and i agree with you ford cannot build a car to compete with chevy, because ford doesnt charge that damn much lol

and this may piss some people off but i hate the gt500, how many horses is it putting to the wheels? how many horses was the terminator cobra putting to the wheels? i was expecting a hell of alot more from a 5.4

and for my final rebuttle of the night
ford turned a profit this year
something gm and its many dying brands have yet to do
the only brands/people gm seems to care about is chevy, cadillac and rappers
i mean you can only push that tired old trailblazer platform for so long until it becomes outdated and old

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/1/2007 10:25:35 PM

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and for my final rebuttle of the night
ford turned a profit this year
something gm and its many dying brands have yet to do
the only brands/people gm seems to care about is chevy, cadillac and rappers
i mean you can only push that tired old trailblazer platform for so long until it becomes outdated and old

made a profit, where you gettin that info?

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/2/2007 6:50:30 AM

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Yeah? Ford loses money on all their sales basically. GM is the one pumping out new model vehicles left and right... Tahoe, Suburban Silverado SS, soon the Camaro, Monte Carlo redesign, Malibu Maxx Trans Am/Firebird GTO... I think Fords in for a rough time until they redesign the Thunderbird again... then were screwed...

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/2/2007 7:03:37 AM

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I've seen 3 ford GTs, on red w/ white stripes, one silver with blue stripes and one black with white stripes (I think thos are the combos) and those things are ****ing loud as hell.

don't they cost like 150 grand? someone told me that, but I can't see ford selling too many 100grand+ cars.

lol they werent plannin on makin too many
it was a limited edition car made to celebrate fords 100th bday

and for god sakes the mustang was never supposed to compete with the corvette, people always get it twisted that way
the thunderbird was supposed to go up against the vette but it failed miserably and went from a 2 seater to a 4 seater coupe
the vette has 2 seats while the stang has 4 (even though we all know the back seats are useless for people)

and i agree with you ford cannot build a car to compete with chevy, because ford doesnt charge that damn much lol

and this may piss some people off but i hate the gt500, how many horses is it putting to the wheels? how many horses was the terminator cobra putting to the wheels? i was expecting a hell of alot more from a 5.4

that's because the terminator was severely underrated from the factory. the GT500 dynos at exactly where it should for having 500BHP. alls it takes is a pulley swap, intake and tune to put you right around the 500RWHP mark. even though ford made a pulley swap more of a pain.

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/2/2007 9:00:54 AM

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and for my final rebuttle of the night
ford turned a profit this year
something gm and its many dying brands have yet to do
the only brands/people gm seems to care about is chevy, cadillac and rappers
i mean you can only push that tired old trailblazer platform for so long until it becomes outdated and old

made a profit, where you gettin that info?

the news, http://www.rttnews.com/sp/todaystop.asp?date=07/26/2007&item=42&vid=0
you should watch it some time

and how is gm pumping out new vehicle design left and right?
is chevy left and cadillac right?
because from what ive seen oldsmobile is as good as dead, buick is barely surviving with their new lacrosse and pontiacs are just rebadges chevys now and i wont mention the toyota matrix clone also known as the vibe

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/2/2007 4:11:48 PM

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Ok... so you found a news letter saying they gained "alittle" profit... after losing so much due to the sale of Astin Martin..

Think of it this way. GM is introducing new cars left and right. The Camaro, Monte Carlo, they just came out with the Silverado SS. The GTO is scheduled for a facelift and finally the Trans Am/Firebird. What does Ford have to offer? The Mustang, a Mustang with fancy decals and yes.... another mustang... They had it made earlier because no one else had a real retro car on the market... other than VW, The T-Bird and the Charger.. all of which werent apeasing to many consumers... well the Charger was but thats just kuz its a powerful sedan. GM is coming in and taking over.. Ford can sell all the family cars it wants, but it wont sell as many family cars as GM and it definatly wont sell more mustangs than Camaros/Monte Carlos, Corvettes, GTOs or Solstices or.. well the list goes on... Ford doesnt have chance in the future.. The only possible trick they could have up their sleeve would be a desperate one.. and thats a reintro of the Cougar... aka.. a redesigned Mustang with some cosmetic alterations.

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/2/2007 5:08:57 PM

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a newsletter? try the evening news
am i the only one who watches the news? this is the first time in two years fords been able to turn a profit
hell gm just got its internal affairs in order such as their employee pension plans etc and are expected to get a profit next year
and how is $750 million a little profit?

none of those cars is gonna help gm
do you want to know the cars that have single handedly beaten the american auto industry into a less than 50% market ?
camry
accord
altima

performance is a luxury thing for a car company not a money maker
when nissan almost went under they revamped their whole line up and once they had climbed out of their death spiral they unveiled the 350z

gm needs to revamp ALL the brands and then release the camaro, not just caddy and chevy

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/2/2007 6:11:02 PM

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Dude... That was a newsletter saying how ford barely turned a profit.. GM is still above ford and why are you brining asian automakers into an arguement about Ford Vs Chevy (i know its vs others too but they were pretty much taken out awhile back) Think about it chief, The mustang is a dime a dozen and they came out 2 years ago.... They are just as common on the road today as any Camry or Accord.... People will get tired of em and look for whats next in the horsepower craze and GM will bring them what they want. Saying GM needs to revamp is rediculous compared to what Ford needs to do. They need to build their performance group with more than just the Mustang and some SVT Focuses and a rare and rather slow "Supercar" (500 horses for a supercar is borderline slow with modern tech.. especially with forced induction. Hell the Corvette Z06 is faster without forced induction..) Ford has been offering the same old tired cars for ever... Yeah they introduced some new crossovers and compact SUVs and some sedans through their lines but they havent brought anything (other than the mustang) into the performance world thats been noteable... Chevys got its entire Corvette Racing line, its SS line and on top of that its got the Cadillac series and Hummer series... They have nothing to fear from Ford...... Im pretty sure no one does. Argue all you want but ford is goin down hill fast... because they have nothing new that appeals to the consumers like corvette, camaro and soon its line of high powered trucks.

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/2/2007 6:16:09 PM

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ford gt has 550 hp and will eat the vette in a line and on a course

your still ignoring the rest of gm
name somthing buicks doin
how bout oldsmobile?
maybe a new 442?
or is gm just gonna let those two die?

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/2/2007 6:26:22 PM

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lol i also like how youve reduced gm to hummer chevy and cadillac

and you also seem to know nothing about how much buisness gm does or how low its profit margin is
in case you havnt heard gm shouldnt fear ford they should fear this guy
http://www.toyota.com/about/operations/manufacturing/texas/photogallery.html
president of toyota, hes beating ford and gm sales and is steadily growing

and btw performance isnt everything
you have nothing for the family
oh but wait according to you a family of four will be able to use a vette or a camaro as a family car!

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/3/2007 12:23:21 AM

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I like how you brought Toyota into a conversation obviously about Ford Vs GM.. I dont give a **** about toyota.. i know they will rule the world one day...

Also, GM has more successful cars through out their companies than Ford does.. Yeah Merc has the Expedition and the Mariner and the Escape.. but who doesnt have SUV and compact SUVs.. Same with Sedans.... See Ford can put out as many new and stylish sedans as they want... and IF.. for some odd reason they happen to sell more.. its because all the GM sedans out there are lasting sooo long people dont have to go out and buy new cars.

You can argue about family cars all day.. I dont care... I dont feel like arguing about family cars.. because i dont care about em... GM has more sedans through out their lines than Ford does or will have...

All i care about is performance... to be honest.. Chevys got alot more than Ford... you cant aruge with that.. As for the GT40.. it pushes out 500+ horsepower WITH performance upgrades, mainly forced induction.. a Corvette Z06 puts 500 on the engine.. if you were to throw a supercharger on a Z06 with the same compression... the GT40 would be eating dirt all day long. If all it takes is 500 horses to make a car a "super" car... then there must be alot of supercars out there.. What kind of domestic made car pushes out more horsepower than torque anyway.. the GTs have no push..

So finally, lets agree to disagree, obviously your a die hard Ford guy kuz your being ignorant of basically all the main points ive made and your only going for the smaller points. I cant change your opinion and your not gonna listen to me if you dont want to so arguing with you is pointless... I know what the real story is.. but you can believe whatever you want.. it is after all America and not Asia.. yet..

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RE: Ford vs GM vs Others - 8/3/2007 1:08:12 AM

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