Alright I know everyone here is partial to Fords so I decided this would be this best place for help.
First off let me tell you what I'm doing. I need to give a persuasive speech for on of my college class and I thought what better idea then to do cars and the whole lot, hence "Ford vs GM vs Others".
The thing is I don't wnat this to be just another Ford is better and that's it kinda thing. I need some info! So I was wondering what your guys thoughts were on this, and any info appericiated!
< Message edited by Kenyon07 -- 7/29/2007 2:32:28 PM >
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2 problems here. 1. You posted this in the wrong section. Maybe if you said a v6 comaro v/s a v6 mustang, but you didn't. 2. You posted this in the v6 section, of all sections, witch is mostly teenagers wondering what brand of cia they should get to make thier mustnag faster.
Alright then where should I have posted? the reason why i posted here is cause i have a v6 stang and I thought i'd keep it in here where I actually look.
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GM - Pros - transmissions are top quality and loose less power from the flywheel to the rear wheels than others, great engine power in class and well built to handel lots of power, higher mpg standards in the V8 and V6 class Cons - higher initial price, frames are prone to rust, paint corrodes quicker than others as it's cheaper quality, eletrical problems, high price for OEM replacement parts, paint colors vary with year while codes stay the same, some engine lines are extremely hard to work on
Ford - Pros - long lasting engines, long lasting autos, above average electrical systems, solid frames, higher crash test ratings in all classes, cheaper initial cost, OEM replacement parts are fairly affordable, great paint quality with little to no paint color to code letter problems, mostly easy access to engine compartment and parts Cons - some sensors are prone to faillure, automattic transmissions loose a lot of power to the wheels, older manual transmissions are not built to take much more power than stock
Well i have an auto. and it's a good car. but loss of power. Yea but not that much.. I have a little auto lag . but as far as performance its good.
You generally have a 20% drivetrain loss through an auto. So you have 190 flywheel HP, take 20% of that, subtract it from 190, and you have an estimated rwhp.
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I have never heard of a non-brand name car....would that be like a Fred's Fun Wagon?
I think there's plenty of threads that discuss auto loss guys Thanks for the help though.. anybody else have their opinions?
Well here's mine. w/out gettin into car verse cars I think that Ford has the all around edge towards GM.
Both GM and Ford have partnerships; GM is w/ Saab, Fiat, Fuji/Subaru, Isuzu, Suzuki. And Ford bein w/ Jaguar, Aston Martin, Mazda, Volvo, Land Rover.
According to other sources though, makers of Toyota and such have the advantage over both Ford an GM. Here's a litte thing found from a website: At a private dinner on Wednesday, Ford CEO Alan Mulally told journalists that the recent visit he and Mark Fields made to Toyota's headquarters was born out of a desire to understand more about the Japanese automaker's manufacturing and product development processes, which Mulally holds in very high esteem. He went so far as to refer to Toyota as "the finest machine in the world, the finest production system in the world," adding that "we (Mulally and Fields) went to study with the master."
"Ford Motor Company is currently one of the oldest surviving automakers, and it has lived a thriving life until now. With gas prices rising, Ford's high profit pickups and SUVs aren't selling as well as they used to and their passenger car lineup is in dire need of updating to compete with the imports (except maybe the new Fusion). But Ford does have one thing on their side, product diversity. Both GM and Ford own or have a controlling stake in an exorbitant number of companies. But Ford has been able to acquire automakers who offer cars dissimilar to those they already sell. Ford/Lincoln/Mercury are the bargain classic American cars whereas Volvo has its Swedish charm, Aston Martin, Jaguar and Land Rover have their British quirks, and Mazda (Ford holds 25% stake) has its Zoom-Zoom attitude. Each company offers a unique character by which their lineup attunes to. Some are fast supercars (Aston), some are great GT's (Jag) some are renowned for their off-roading capability (LR), and some have staked their claim on safety (Volvo). So, even though Fo. Mo. Co. is not looking great right now, it seems to me they have the better product line to compete.
Now, GM...What is going to happen? GM was once the hallmark for graceful design and exceptional power. Now they are well represented primarily in rental car lots. GM also owns many different car brands yet their diversity cannot compare to Ford's. Sure they attempt to put attitudes to each brand (Pontiac=sporty, Chevy=entry level, Buick=luxury) but in reality, each is just a copy of the next but with different skin. GM, over the last few years, has poured its money into badge engineering (using the same platform, interior, etc. but with slightly different sheetmetal) and it is too evident. It seems GM only cares about Cadillac these days. Caddy seems to be the only GM brand that has potential. GM has put the money in to create expressive designs and powerful engines. If only they could do that for the rest of the company, they could be successful. It seems GM is finally catching on. There are plans to change Pontiac's entire line to RWD platforms developed in Australia (Holden) and Chevy's new trucks show a huge improvement in interior quality, panel gaps, and overall design. Hopefully this is the beginning of the American automakers Renaissance." -GM vs Ford
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Ford - Pros - long lasting engines, cheaper initial cost, OEM replacement parts are fairly affordable,
The engines last long if you baby em or take care of em to a dime.. Weve got a 1994 4cyl Ranger work truck that we dont really beat the hell out of we just take garbage to the dump etc. and its on its last leg.... but its manual tranny is strong.. We had a Ford Aerovan or w/e back in the day before it finally just fell to **** on us and it was ALWAYS in the shop and it was our daily driver pick the kids up from school vehicle. We also currently have a 1993 4.0L V6 Explorer and its tranny is shot to hell, im thinking it skips 1st gear from a stop and rockets you right to 15 mph after a short stutter before accelerating among other things.. mainly electrical (like broken gas gauge, its stuck on full.. the intelligent man at autozone who was giving me fuses for the dash light said "At least you will always have a full tank".. which kinda pissed me off kuz its kinda bad to not know how much gas you have. Also blinkers/blinker switches are prone to problems the explorers dont blink they just get brighter and stay solid yellow and im my mustang the switch had to be replaced... My Mustang ran great engine wise, but i give ford kudos for using such a strong block in it.. but its components (thermostat, radiator, o2 sensors) were always goin haywire.. everytime my check engine light came on and id have it scanned it was a different problem... We went from the Ford Aerostar or van or w/e the hell its called. to a 1995 Chevy Suburban that we bought from a farm out east and it was beaten but had fair miles and ran just like a song. So we bought a 2003 Suburban which we havent had problems with yet. It only saw one other owner for about 2 years.
in my opinion addressing the cheap "affordable" prices on parts and cars... Thats because Ford doesnt build cars for much quality as much as they do to please the customer... They spend more time on stylizing rather than quality. The parts inturn are cheap because they know they will need to be replaced so they just make a **** load of em... something i like to call supply and demand. Now the reason Chevys are so damn expensive is because they were built rock solid. However in the instance of Camaros, in 98 when they developed the 1st 3.8L V6 it had 200hp, while 98 V6 Mustangs had 150? Inturn the 1998 4.6L GT was underpowered compared to a same year 98 LS1 Camaro... Even a 1995 LT1 V8 was pushing 275hp. Proving, while Ford can put cars together fast and keep prices down by not putting alot into the engines, Chevy usually follows Ford in the production of their vehicles but Chevy usually beats Ford in power... but those bigger engines that are well put together and have more power cost more... Leading to the reason why the Camaro died, they had tons of power but they were asking a ton for the car.. Someone could have just bought a Corvette of a slightly earlier year and have almost the same car... and chevy couldnt sell a brick version of the Corvette so the Camaro ran out of production along with the Trans Am.. Now, with the high demand for performance and Ford developing crazy fast GT-500s etc. that have tons of power... Gm is ready to reintroduce the Camaro which is rumored to have a LS3 engine that will put out more power than the GT-500 WITHOUT forced induction. That had got to say something about the difference between Ford and Chevy... Now you can take that as you will, but ive hard arguments from bothsides ive done my research and i would rather buy a 1995 Camaro Z28 with 275hp than a Mustang GT thats almost 10 years older and costs about at least 5k more (1999 w/ 260hp) and have nearly 10 horses less stock. In turn the 2009 Concept, which is currently powered only by a LS2 is dropping 400 horses while the 2007 Shelby GT had 300hp PLUS factory modifications from the stock GTs....
Yeah, thats why the discontinued the Camaro, at one point for the cost and the power it had the same numbers as Corvette, only im thinkin the corvette is lighter.
ive noticed that when ford makes a supercar they compete with alot higher competition the new zo6 or viper comes out and they compete with eachother and with whatever cobra is out but in the instance of the ford gt it was put up against the ferraris, lambos, porsches etc
another thing ive noticed is that ford is more "worldly" example best selling car in britain? ford mondeo (its in casino royale) its got a huge market share in europe, in america we have vtec as our import tuner in europe they have cosworth the escort cosworth would keep up pretty well with the civic type r personally i think ford should start bringin some of those cars over here heres the uks lineup http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/all_cars/-/-/-/-/-/-
namely the focus convertible, the mondeo, the ranger 4 door, and maybe the fusion
Ford may be thriving over in Europe but thats only because they are able to put cars together inexpensively, quickly and at the same time to a poor effect, to sell as many as possible. Chevy im sure has its own slice of european pie but their market is bigger here in America. They sell powerful Trucks and reliable family cars. While at the same time creating one great sports coupe, while Ford produces many.
Full-year sales results released by both GM and Ford last month showed Chevrolet was the best selling brand in 2005 with about 2.6 million vehicles sold, about 21,100 more than Ford. Ford is currently thinking about competing beyond GM because GM is just the tip of the iceberg. Toyota etc. outsell them all. Ford Americas president Mark Fields said there will be 300 nameplates in the U.S. market by the end of the decade, up from 215 in 2002. Showing that Ford isnt competing for reliability they are competing for numbers. GM has also lowered their pricing as of January 2006 as a restructuring plan. The plan also would create more jobs.
Its pretty impressive that even with the sale of the new Mustang, GM is still leading. If you think about it, Ford has several major vehicles. (correct me if im wrong) Mustang, F-150, Explorer/Expedition, Focus. Thats all I can think of.. along with several lines of Minivans and crossovers. GM Chevy has the Corvette, Silverado, Suburban, Tahoe, soon the Camaro, and other vehicles through its seven subcompanies. These are all vehicles that compete with eachother and still GM has come out on top. Ford at one point asked Chevy to stop saying they were the number one american auto maker because it was bad for their business.. Obviously they refused and still use that line in their ads.
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ive noticed that when ford makes a supercar they compete with alot higher competition the new zo6 or viper comes out and they compete with eachother and with whatever cobra is out but in the instance of the ford gt it was put up against the ferraris, lambos, porsches etc
really? so ford competes with 80k+ cars with a 40k car?
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Thanks for the help though.. anybody else have their opinions? 
(j/k I actually love camaros) 
