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I haven't figured out why the greenies don't stick to the argument that cleaner air is healthier. That certainly seems to be irrefutable, although arguably less sexy.
BTW, if reducing greenhouse gases is truly that important, why don't we start building nuclear energy plants again?
Because the greenies are more afraid of nuclear engergy than they are of spewing tons of HC and CO and CO2 and other crap into the air because around 70% or more of our electricity comes from fossil fuels. Look at France, they're almost entirely nuclear, and they have clean air, and none of their children are born with 3 eyes or not finding it necessary to turn the lights on at night to go pee.
They just need a cause to pioneer apperantly. Just like Al Gore, if he's so concerned about the environment why does his big mansion have an electric bill that's like $15k a month? And why does he fly around in his private jet rather than using the public airline system?
As far as why we don't actually build nuclear energy, is because it's gotten more expensive to get the permitting for one(thanks to the environmental lobby) than it is to build one. That and every time a permit is issued, then greenies file an injunction against it while they litigate in court until the permit expires, so everything has to be repermitted several times before construction ever begins. No private power company, which is a business, will bother to build a plant because it takes them eons just to recover the cost of building the thing, which is completely cost ineffective.
And as far as nuclear's effectiveness, it's something like 8% of power plants in America are nuclear, yet provide more than 20% of America's electricity. And they don't burn crap and throw combustion byproducts into the atmosphere
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You guys are going to have to help me with this. How does a model year car that predates the 1976 cut off even make it to a smog check regrdless of engine age? I have been reading the DMV site and the list of exemptions and there is NOTHING that states anything about engine age negating the exemption.
It doesn't, and that's the loophole. A newer engine in a pre smog car is supposed to have all the newer engine smog equipment, but, since it's never inspected, if you never have the smog equipment, they never know.
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Best run 13.23 at 106.97mph with a 2.183 60' Times from before tune and driver mod.
When I lived in CA (San Diego), I had some DMV 'tard tell me that I had to get the full smog set-up for my car. I argued that my car wasn't made with smog equipment...and her reply was, "that's the reason you need it now." She conveniently had the shop that I was required to go to (probably her husband or brother-in-law). I decided to let my tags expire. I got a temporary and took my car home to Washington.
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You third statement is totally incorrect. 'Global Warming' was the 'mantra' of these so-called climate scientists for the past thirty years, right after they predicted 'Global Cooling'.Jim
It seems like no one remembers when everyone was crying about the "global cooling" of the late 70s.... All the snow,,, all the cold,,, very uncharacteristic weather. Now we have people comparing todays weather with the weather of the late 70s, saying wow, it was a lot colder 25 or 30 years ago,,,,
The irony of it all......
IMO human induced global warming is just as much BS as the concensus of scientists who advocated global cooling 30 years ago... Fool me once,,,,
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I had the unfortunate experience of living in the bowels of Idaho for a few years. East indeed.
I live close to Coeur d'Alene, pretty sweet area. Constantly being named one of the top 10 place to; live, raise a family, retire, vacation, ect. Did it occur to you Idaho might have more than one town? btw I lived in Denver. Nothing to write home about.
As a matter of fact, I've seen most of Idaho. I know that it has more than one town because I've been to both of them.
J/K. The Idaho panhandle is a nice place. Ever been down to Mountain Home? If so, you'll know what I meant by "bowels". If not, then you should learn more about your great state before you get all butt-hurt over a little ribbing.
IMHO, if you are so concerned about reducing emissions... ride your bike to work/school/crazy survivalist militia camp/whatever. Then you won't feel so guilty about your Mustang's emissions and all the drowning polar bears.
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Thx JMD, Norm, jlg2002 & rest for the input and sharing your experiences. I was under the impression I could run to Midas and get some cats installed that would cut down on the bad gasses, and that it would be that simple.
Didn't consider the heat they would generate, lack of space under the car for them, or that they wouldn't be very effective without additional smog stuff.
Now that I have a kid, my thinking has changed a bit about, well lots of stuff lol, but including pollution. Hell, I just started recycling beer bottles ( I can fill a trash can with them in 6 days).
I personally believe global warming is happening and human are a huge factor. I can't recite bunch of scientific facts or mumbo-jumbo, but my common sense tells me things are getting worse, not better (as they relate to the environment), as each year passes. Not exactly an ideal subject for a classic car forum LOL. Anyways, I appreciate the replies.
Amazing isint it....... I can see "global warming" people reading this today and passing the "global cooling" theorys as "out of the mainstream" and "fringe science". I was young, but I remember that scientists, the media, and other people alike took "global cooling" as seriously as many people embrace "global warming" today.....
It was a big deal at the time.......
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Now that I have a kid, my thinking has changed a bit about, well lots of stuff lol, but including pollution. Hell, I just started recycling beer bottles ( I can fill a trash can with them in 6 days).
If you are fillind a trash can with beer bottles every 6 days, you are poluting more that your Mustang,,,,, Farts have methane, and methane is for sure a "greenhouse gas"... I hope you don't recycle lots of eggshells too.
If you want to help the enviornment, plant a tree, it will do far more good for the air than you and your Mustang combined can do bad for the air.....
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I had the unfortunate experience of living in the bowels of Idaho for a few years. East indeed.
I live close to Coeur d'Alene, pretty sweet area. Constantly being named one of the top 10 place to; live, raise a family, retire, vacation, ect. Did it occur to you Idaho might have more than one town? btw I lived in Denver. Nothing to write home about.
As a matter of fact, I've seen most of Idaho. I know that it has more than one town because I've been to both of them.
J/K. The Idaho panhandle is a nice place. Ever been down to Mountain Home? If so, you'll know what I meant by "bowels". If not, then you should learn more about your great state before you get all butt-hurt over a little ribbing.
IMHO, if you are so concerned about reducing emissions... ride your bike to work/school/crazy survivalist militia camp/whatever. Then you won't feel so guilty about your Mustang's emissions and all the drowning polar bears.
Yep, I grew up in Pocatello Idaho. Talk about the arm pit of the state. My butt is just fine, I just got a bit bent because I was looking for info and only found insult.
As for your humble opinion, don't think much of it. I don't think it has to be one extreme or the other.
btw I think the Denver area is pretty nice. A bit crowded, but nice.
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Now that I have a kid, my thinking has changed a bit about, well lots of stuff lol, but including pollution. Hell, I just started recycling beer bottles ( I can fill a trash can with them in 6 days).
If you are fillind a trash can with beer bottles every 6 days, you are poluting more that your Mustang,,,,, Farts have methane, and methane is for sure a "greenhouse gas"... I hope you don't recycle lots of eggshells too.
If you want to help the enviornment, plant a tree, it will do far more good for the air than you and your Mustang combined can do bad for the air.....
lmao. I am currently in the market for a keg-er-rator. That will take care of all the glass, but not the farts lol. It NEVER occured to me that beer causes farts. Don't tell my wife or she'll cut me off ( I tell her my gas is a result of her cooking).
As for trees, I have planted 41 (only 2 died) on my property in the last 2 years. More for privacy then anything else. Perhaps i'll just call it good with the trees and forget about the cats.
I personally believe global warming is happening and human are a huge factor. I can't recite bunch of scientific facts or mumbo-jumbo, but my common sense tells me things are getting worse, not better (as they relate to the environment), as each year passes. Not exactly an ideal subject for a classic car forum LOL. Anyways, I appreciate the replies.
If you can tell me why the ice caps are melting - on Mars, and why the storms have increased - on Jupiter, and why there was a warming period without SUV's around to do the nasty deed 1000 years ago, you might have a point about human activity being responsible. I repeat, we live around a variable star. Jim
When I lived in CA (San Diego), I had some DMV 'tard tell me that I had to get the full smog set-up for my car. I argued that my car wasn't made with smog equipment...and her reply was, "that's the reason you need it now." She conveniently had the shop that I was required to go to (probably her husband or brother-in-law). I decided to let my tags expire. I got a temporary and took my car home to Washington.
It must not have been a 25 + year old car, because those are exempt from any smog checks. My 64 gets no inspections of any kind whatsoever in California.
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The sun has the greatest impact on global weather. It's a nuclear furnace that provides the heat energy necessary for weather to even occur on this planet. And higher solar activity also increases the hole in the ozone layer, which is caused by ionized solar particles impacting gasses in the upper atmosphere and generating chemical reactions(also known as the Aurora Borealis and Aurora Australius).
Isn't it the SAME group of scientists in the 70's that screamed about global cooling that are now screaming about global warming? I'm guessing in 10 years time they'll be proven 0 for 2
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If I cared alot about doing my part to help the already screwed environment I probably wouldn't be a pyromaniac
Speaking of pyromania,,,, what do you think the air quality and the enviornment would be like if everyone cooked and heated with wood? HMMM
You see, for the really hard core enviornmentalists,,,, the problem is not the fuel that is burned,,,, the problem is the people who do the burning,,, think about it....
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RE: cats on a classic? - 
who advocated global cooling 30 years ago... Fool me once,,,, 
