stock v6 manualmustang got outrun bya v6 camry... from astop as well asfrom 40 to ~80mph(2nd gear all the way), tried with a buddy a few times butto no avail, the '07268hp/6spd automaticcamry kicks @ss with a good margin:-((
ford needs to putits new3.5LDOHC in the next v6 mustang and keep the price the same!
no intent to start any flames here, just bare facts...

don't forget its bang for buck. how much does that camry sell for compared to the v6 stang? for the price of the camry, it should be compared to the GT in performance. your story doesn't bother me at all. this is what bothers me.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI9UPETlXPo ......what is that little green booger packing under the hood?...or was the driver of the stang high on dope when driving to lose? whats going on!?[&:]

well according to a few sources that camry runs 15+ 1/4's and a 6.7 0-60.. so by my minnesota math calculations you just suck at driving and it should have been very close

well... the way thatcamry was blowing by, I think a GT mightbe in trouble too...or very close.
I mean, getting it up to speedin 2nd gear @4000rpm and then flooring itall the way on a honk signalis about as good as it gets, not much room forbetterdriver skills/etc. at that point.
maybe it's the 6speed transmission with bettergear ratios or something?

yeah the cobra better watch out too right

First off flooring it in second gear at 40 mph in a manual V6 Mustang will only get you to about 65 mph at 6000 rpms. Maybe it was a type when you typed 40- 80 mph. Maybe you ment 40 - 60 mph or maybe you meant in 3rd gear and not 2nd. If in fact you did mean 80 mph in 2nd or even 40 - 80 in 34d then that could be why you got beat. The 4.0L's power maxes out at 5250 rpms with the redline at around 5800 rpms. After that the power drops off considerable so even if your car could rev to the 7500 rpms necessary to reach 80 mph in 2nd it would take you a considerable amount of time, assuming you didn't blow your engine up. Now if you meant 3rd gear all the way, stock the manual V6 is only at 2400 rpms at 40 mph and the peak torque doesn't kick in for another 1000 rpms so until you reach about 60 mph in 3rd you won't be accellerating that quickly. So the simple answer is part of the problem with these cars is that they don't rev very high and it could use better gearing. That's one thing I can say about Japanese cars, their transmissions are geared to take better advantage of the engines power curve than american cars, imoo.

again, I LIKE THE MUSTANGandI am not into any"macho musclecar vs.boring sedan" or "american vs. japanese" B.S. flames- but here is C&D test results for whatever it's worth:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/12404/2007-toyota-camry-v-6.html
2007 Toyota Camry V-6
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 31.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.3 sec @ 99 mph

that'sdisturbingly slose to GT stock figures.

Check out the specs on the different models of the Camery;

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Glance.aspx?year=2007&make=Toyota&model=Camry &trimid=-1

2nd - 40mph at~3500+rpm --> floor to ~5500rpm (60mph or so), then quickshift into 3rdfor 60 to 80mph run.
is there a better way?

Performance
0 - 60 Time 1/4 Mile Time
Toyota Camry XLE - V6 3.5L (268 hp) 6.70 15.05

Toyota Camry LE - I4 2.4L (158 hp) 9.08 17.11

ORIGINAL: tlpvt

again, I LIKE THE MUSTANGandI am not into any"macho musclecar vs.boring sedan" or "american vs. japanese" B.S. flames- but here is C&D test results for whatever it's worth:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/12404/2007-toyota-camry-v-6.html
2007 Toyota Camry V-6
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 31.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.3 sec @ 99 mph

that'sdisturbingly slose to GT stock figures.


What? How is a 14.3 1/4 mile close to a 13.5-13.7??????? A V-6 runs 14.7-15.0, so it's actually closer to the 6er than a GT. I guess a new Camry can outrun a 350Z too, huh?
I think a 14.3 is Toyota's ringer to all the magazines, high 14s to low 15s is a better figure in real life driving.
Learn the power band of your car, then get back to us;)

Rember the other car probabaly had a gearing advantage both in the trans and the axel ratio. How about a dig to 100? What are your mods? If none how about a C&L w/tune and 3.73's & T-Lok. that should change the outcome

Wha'd you expect? The Camry weighs about the same, and pushes 50 more HP. IMO, The v6 needs to be pushin at least 260, with the GT between 350-400

ORIGINAL: 05gtdriver

ORIGINAL: tlpvt

again, I LIKE THE MUSTANGandI am not into any"macho musclecar vs.boring sedan" or "american vs. japanese" B.S. flames- but here is C&D test results for whatever it's worth:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/12404/2007-toyota-camry-v-6.html
2007 Toyota Camry V-6
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 31.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.3 sec @ 99 mph

that'sdisturbingly slose to GT stock figures.


What? How is a 14.3 1/4 mile close to a 13.5-13.7??????? A V-6 runs 14.7-15.0, so it's actually closer to the 6er than a GT. I guess a new Camry can outrun a 350Z too, huh?
I think a 14.3 is Toyota's ringer to all the magazines, high 14s to low 15s is a better figure in real life driving.
Learn the power band of your car, then get back to us;)


Its a 0.8 second difference, that sounds very close to me.

350z? says it has a 14.2 second quarter mile......thats faster then a GT? http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0506_compact_sport_convertibles_comparison/specs_price.html

ORIGINAL: LL88

ORIGINAL: 05gtdriver

ORIGINAL: tlpvt

again, I LIKE THE MUSTANGandI am not into any"macho musclecar vs.boring sedan" or "american vs. japanese" B.S. flames- but here is C&D test results for whatever it's worth:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/12404/2007-toyota-camry-v-6.html
2007 Toyota Camry V-6
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 31.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.3 sec @ 99 mph

that'sdisturbingly slose to GT stock figures.


What? How is a 14.3 1/4 mile close to a 13.5-13.7??????? A V-6 runs 14.7-15.0, so it's actually closer to the 6er than a GT. I guess a new Camry can outrun a 350Z too, huh?
I think a 14.3 is Toyota's ringer to all the magazines, high 14s to low 15s is a better figure in real life driving.
Learn the power band of your car, then get back to us;)


Its a 0.8 second difference, that sounds very close to me.

350z? says it has a 14.2 second quarter mile......thats faster then a GT? http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0506_compact_sport_convertibles_comparison/specs_price.html

Obviously you haven't been to the track, 0.8 seconds is about 7-8 car lengths........................

.8 seconds is a big difference, even bigger if you take into account the aftermarket of the two cars. The Mustang V6 or V8 are sweet off the lot and have plenty of potential, on the other hand Camry is pretty much stuck at that level of performance.

I could care less what the magazine says. At my track one of the regulars at the braket class is a 07 camry v6 auto. Car runs 15.1 all day long, wont even crack 14 ..i run 14.5-14.6 with my auto v6 .

ummmm 80 in second gear? good luck with that. Close this thread it smeels like my dog's asshole.

ORIGINAL: 8cd03gro

Close this thread it smeels like my dog's asshole.



I'm not even going to coment. [:'(]

all that has to be said.
mustang= awesome
camery- toyota, enough said.

TO the OP, advice for you; street racing, stupid: not knowing how to race your car, stupid: racing your mustang without knowing how to drive, stupid: its really all adding up now isn't it?

Clay awesome man, dogs asshole!

ahhhhhhh!


Im quite suprised no one has started the "why dont you just get a powerhouse turbo in your mustang? Then you'd be able to beat that four door sedan!" argument yet.

You can get 80mph in 2nd gear? I don't remember what the the stock gears were like but 80 sounds a little fast. What RPM were you at at that speed?ORIGINAL: tlpvt

stock v6 manualmustang got outrun bya v6 camry... from astop as well asfrom 40 to ~80mph(2nd gear all the way), tried with a buddy a few times butto no avail, the '07268hp/6spd automaticcamry kicks @ss with a good margin:-((
ford needs to putits new3.5LDOHC in the next v6 mustang and keep the price the same!
no intent to start any flames here, just bare facts...

Who cares, it's a boring sedan. You go home with something that has a 40+ year history and will grab the attention and hearts of so many. Honestly, that to me is worth more than getting beat by a sedan. Don't sweat it buddy,you're driving history.=-)

well if my calculations are correct, to do 80 in our second gear, you'd have to be turning out about 6950 rpm's..... good luck with that.

well,this is how 99.9% of "mustang vs. _anycar_"threads end up -with nasty comments about one's driving skillsand messages with a lot of %&$*( etc. characters, this one turned out to be no exception.
By ANY hard numbers (manufacturers or whatever other sources) _stock_ mustang 0-60 and 0-100 isslower than the new v6camry, that's how it is.
Cars like themustang appeal to people, MYSELF INCLUDED, mostlyby the perception/history/legendary carchase scenes in movies like Bullitt - emotional things.
However, ifa miata or eclipseGT easily outrunsa cophemi charger in a street pursuit(check out the recent motortrend cop car story) - I don't think v6 mustang stands a chance there, too. So, image is one thing, but real-life driving performance of today's carsis another.
Let's stop this thread.

How many times have I gone out being worried about being beat by another car? NONE! I don't race on the streets and I have a problem with people who do. So who cares if the Camery V6 is faster.....our Mustangs are gorgeous and will snap a head in a heart beat!
If you are so worried about the performance, slap a S/C in there. http://soundmachine.org/dci/forum/images/smiles/icon_knight.gif

These camry vs mustang stories never end well ive come to find out. [8D]

again, whats the price tag on the V6 camry? pound for pound, bang for buck, mustang still wins........maybe he was racing the NASCAR camry...hehe[8D].......would i get slammed if i said the new Tundras are cool?[&:]

ORIGINAL: Sancho805

again, whats the price tag on the V6 camry? pound for pound, bang for buck, mustang still wins........maybe he was racing the NASCAR camry...hehe[8D].......would i get slammed if i said the new Tundras are cool?[&:]



The new Tundras from the back is a clear example of how Japan is the leader as far as imitators. It looks like a Ford F-150 from the back to me. Why not copy from the best if you don'twant to ride like the rest? :D

I don't race on the street either, that was an isolated incident :-))on an empty 4-laneinterstate with 75mph speed limitand we did not go much over 80. In may state street racing/exhibition of speed= up to 90 days injail!!!

ORIGINAL: 07 Stang

ORIGINAL: Sancho805

again, whats the price tag on the V6 camry? pound for pound, bang for buck, mustang still wins........maybe he was racing the NASCAR camry...hehe[8D].......would i get slammed if i said the new Tundras are cool?[&:]



The new Tundras from the back is a clear example of how Japan is the leader as far as imitators. It looks like a Ford F-150 from the back to me. Why not copy from the best if you don'twant to ride like the rest? :D


TRUE...they're still cool though. at least it keeps ford on their feet about continuing to improve their product. personally, i would love to have a ford turbo diesel to haul around my boat and ATV's.....haha....after i win the lotto of course;)

ORIGINAL: Sancho805

ORIGINAL: 07 Stang

ORIGINAL: Sancho805

again, whats the price tag on the V6 camry? pound for pound, bang for buck, mustang still wins........maybe he was racing the NASCAR camry...hehe[8D].......would i get slammed if i said the new Tundras are cool?[&:]



The new Tundras from the back is a clear example of how Japan is the leader as far as imitators. It looks like a Ford F-150 from the back to me. Why not copy from the best if you don'twant to ride like the rest? :D


TRUE...they're still cool though. at least it keeps ford on their feet about continuing to improve their product. personally, i would love to have a ford turbo diesel to haul around my boat and ATV's.....haha....after i win the lotto of course;)



Yeah the Ford Diesels are nice! A friend who owns a Truck Shop has one with a lift kit on it.....it's sweet! I have an E-350 that we use to pull our 21 ft. boat.

ive got a gt and the only thing that has beaten me is the new c6-z06 ive taken camry's, sti's,civics, rx-8's, eclipses,m3's, lightnings,carrado's,c-5's,maxima's,accords, preludes, cobalt ss, and the jeep srt-8 plus much more its just if you can drive

IMHO the whole dragracing thingis not cool because it simply comes down to who throws more $$$at the car. I mean, unless you are a DIY genius mechanical engineer designing the parts yourself, basically it is about buying a hot marketed product, taking the car to a shop and opening up your wallet... the more toys you put in - the faster it goes off the line, especially with an automatic - just floor it, no brains required.
racing many lapson a twisty track is very different... thet's where the $25-35k$ jap/euro "performance cars shine.
its sorta likepeople going nuts with performance pickup trucks -what's the point of a 6000+pound monster smoking the tires if a civic outruns it after a few sharp turns?

I know I should not even get started but, sometimes speed can be determined by money spent on preformance, but my 94 will still outrun/ outhandle/ get better MPG than plenty of more expensive cars. Simple bolt-ons such as CAI ,tune, gear,exhaust can be added to your car and it will knock off some time of your 1/4 miles. Trucks can be modified to out run/ outhandle/ outhaul and basically outpreform on and off road anything nomatter what it weighs. Do you really think a FWD civic is going to outrun a Lighting, SRT10 Ram in the straights or the curves? Price and country of orgin have nothing to do with preformance when you get down to it. And by the way just because you have an auto doesn't mean you dont have to know how to drive.

will this thread get to 3 pages?......hmmmm, lets see[8D]

My little v6 Mustang beats the **** out of our Mazda 6.

Me smells a troll...



ORIGINAL: tlpvt

IMHO the whole dragracing thingÂ*is not cool because it simply comes down to who throws more $$$Â*at the car. I mean, unless you are a DIY genius mechanical engineer designing the parts yourself, basically it is about buying a hot marketed product, taking the car to a shop and opening up your wallet... the more toys you put in - the faster it goes off the line, especially with an automatic - just floor it, no brains required.
racing many lapsÂ*on a twisty track is very different... thet's where the $25-35k$ jap/euro "performance cars shine.
its sorta likeÂ*people going nuts with performance pickup trucks -Â*what's the point of a 6000+pound monster smoking the tires if a civic outruns it after a few sharp turns?

yeah, whatever... laws of physics, particularly theNewton's F = M x A do not apply to v6 mustangs with stripes and spoilers :-)))

IMHO:
observation#1: stock v6 is slower that '07 v6camry :-))))) on paper and in reality. get over it.
observation#2: all v6 modifiers wish they had a GT anyways.
observation#3: alot ofpeople will be traiding theirmustangs forchallengers/400hpcamaros
observation#4:stripes/chins/spoilers/fake hoods look no better on v6'stangthen theydo on ricer'scivics



ORIGINAL: MrSandman

My little v6 Mustang beats the **** out of our Mazda 6.

Me smells a troll...



ORIGINAL: tlpvt

IMHO the whole dragracing thingis not cool because it simply comes down to who throws more $$$at the car. I mean, unless you are a DIY genius mechanical engineer designing the parts yourself, basically it is about buying a hot marketed product, taking the car to a shop and opening up your wallet... the more toys you put in - the faster it goes off the line, especially with an automatic - just floor it, no brains required.
racing many lapson a twisty track is very different... thet's where the $25-35k$ jap/euro "performance cars shine.
its sorta likepeople going nuts with performance pickup trucks -what's the point of a 6000+pound monster smoking the tires if a civic outruns it after a few sharp turns?

hey guys, i'm new here. from what i have read, i think every one needs to get back to reality. i myself, remember the time when street racing was cool and fun. if it is done safely it is awsome. the problem is that alot of kids buy a new car and think they can drive. racing requires skill if it is done safely. whether it is on the street or on the track, you have to know what you are doing. i normally race on the street. i have been a "motor head' since i was 16. i am now 32 and have alot of experience under my belt. i still love it! whether it is on the track or street, i look forward to my next race. all these rice burners sink tons of money in therir ride. i will do the same. if you think you can take my stang, give it a shot. if you do, good for you. next time may be different. either way, i have fun. isn't that what is all about?

ORIGINAL: 07 Stang

How many times have I gone out being worried about being beat by another car? NONE! I don't race on the streets and I have a problem with people who do. So who cares if the Camery V6 is faster.....our Mustangs are gorgeous and will snap a head in a heart beat!
If you are so worried about the performance, slap a S/C in there. http://soundmachine.org/dci/forum/images/smiles/icon_knight.gif


there it is! yes!

one more thing... i will not trade in my mustang for a bow-tie! i am very proud of my 07 v6 and if i spend the $5600 that is the price difference, my v6 will out run alot of stuff that should not. i also have a shaker scoop/induction on my pony and it looks sweet and it is real! i have the black stripes and gt wheels. plus a hurst shifter! when i drive by , everyone looks. when i punch 3rd, it hauls ass! i, myself, i have standards. i would not own a piece of rice. the only bowtie i have owned could not take the pounding it recieved. it died at the 150,000. the tranny was bad, it just couldn't hang long term. and i was not that hard on it. i personally think that you are a rice lover and a mustang hater. lol just kidding. we are here to have fun and feel good. why try to feel better by hurting someones feelings. if you want to do that, do it in a race!.... and besides, if your car is faster than my pony, i have a 76 trans am with a 455bb and a t-10 4-speed. tangle with my ta and see the outcome. lol it is for sale by the way. lol

ORIGINAL: tlpvt

yeah, whatever... laws of physics, particularly theNewton's F = M x A do not apply to v6 mustangs with stripes and spoilers :-)))

IMHO:
observation#1: stock v6 is slower that '07 v6camry :-))))) on paper and in reality. get over it.
observation#2: all v6 modifiers wish they had a GT anyways.
observation#3: alot ofpeople will be traiding theirmustangs forchallengers/400hpcamaros
observation#4:stripes/chins/spoilers/fake hoods look no better on v6'stangthen theydo on ricer'scivics


Well hey thanks for stopping by...you know what they say about oppinions...
#1 you may be right but I'm not spending $30K on a 4 door with and extra 60 HP
#2 I really don't wish I had/have a gt I'm happy with my Modded V6
#3 you may be right but then you can go troll over on those forums....lol but as of now challangers and camaros aren't being built
#3 ROFLMAO...not really true! Of all the stupid comments you've made I think this takes the cake...bye Troll!

ORIGINAL: tlpvt

yeah, whatever... laws of physics, particularly theNewton's F = M x A do not apply to v6 mustangs with stripes and spoilers :-)))

IMHO:
observation#1: stock v6 is slower that '07 v6camry :-))))) on paper and in reality. get over it.
observation#2: all v6 modifiers wish they had a GT anyways.
observation#3: alot ofpeople will be traiding theirmustangs forchallengers/400hpcamaros
observation#4:stripes/chins/spoilers/fake hoods look no better on v6'stangthen theydo on ricer'scivics




says the guy that thinks he can go 80 in second gear. I don't wish i had a gt. If i did, i would have one, it's that simple. I have absolutely no problem with the top model, considerably more expensive toyota camry being slightly faster than a stock 4.0. I personally would never spend 30k on a camry when i could get an evo for that price, but to each his own. i didn't realize that there was such a thing as a fake hood though, and i didn't think stripes were that ricey if done right on any car. I think you sir are a lying deusch bag. I'd completely beleive a death story stock for stock, because with equal drivers, it should happen, but going 80 in second in a 4.0 with the stock 3.31:1s....well let's just say you'd need 28" rims to do that ****.

ORIGINAL: rmays06

ORIGINAL: tlpvt

yeah, whatever... laws of physics, particularly theNewton's F = M x A do not apply to v6 mustangs with stripes and spoilers :-)))

IMHO:
observation#1: stock v6 is slower that '07 v6camry :-))))) on paper and in reality. get over it.
observation#2: all v6 modifiers wish they had a GT anyways.
observation#3: alot ofpeople will be traiding theirmustangs forchallengers/400hpcamaros
observation#4:stripes/chins/spoilers/fake hoods look no better on v6'stangthen theydo on ricer'scivics


Well hey thanks for stopping by...you know what they say about oppinions...
#1 you may be right but I'm not spending $30K on a 4 door with and extra 60 HP
#2 I really don't wish I had/have a gt I'm happy with my Modded V6
#3 you may be right but then you can go troll over on those forums....lol but as of now challangers and camaros aren't being built
#3 ROFLMAO...not really true! Of all the stupid comments you've made I think this takes the cake...bye Troll!



you know,when a discussion turns into personal attacks it's time to quit.
I quit
and go back to my redv6 deluxe withNO options/upgrades. It's been a long day at the office today...

ORIGINAL: tlpvt

well,Â*this is how 99.9% of "mustang vs. _anycar_"Â*threads end up -Â*with nasty comments about one's driving skillsÂ*and messages with a lot of %&$*( etc. characters, this one turned out to be no exception.
By ANY hard numbers (manufacturers or whatever other sources) _stock_ mustang 0-60 and 0-100 isÂ*slower than the new v6camry, that's how it is.
Cars like theÂ*mustang appeal to people, MYSELF INCLUDED, mostlyÂ*by the perception/history/legendary carchase scenes in movies like Bullitt - emotional things.
However, ifÂ*a miata or eclipseGT easily outrunsÂ*a copÂ*hemi charger in a street pursuitÂ*(check out the recent motortrend cop car story) - I don't think v6 mustang stands a chance there, too. So, image is one thing, but real-life driving performance of today's carsÂ*is another.
Let's stop this thread.


go back and re read that article. cop cars aren't meant to go around turns. the article says on a freeway an eclipse GT or a miata would be caught on the freeways. those cars have some nice acceleration but crap out on top speed.

now when i rev it, i switch gears from 2nd to 3rd at 40 MPH, 40-60 i'm switching to 4th. once i hit 80 i'm at 5th. try that. you get more torque.

and remember how this cars being compared. sure the car has more HP than our mustangs but look at the torque it's basically equal and if the guy has an auto tranny he's losing a lot of it through friction and so forth. this should have been an equal race if not a winning one...the negative comments the guys are making on you're driving use that as a way to improve.

if you have a grudge match with your buddy, switch into 3rd when you hit 40, 4th in 60, 5th in 80. that should be a good gearing swtich.

yeah, learn how to drive. i bet i can smoke you in my 4banger ranger...hahaha.....uuuugh:eek:

ORIGINAL: azstanglover

ORIGINAL: 8cd03gro

Close this thread it smeels like my dog's asshole.



I'm not even going to coment. [:'(]





Oh crap...this is just too hilarious.....watch where you put your nose........

ORIGINAL: LL88

ORIGINAL: 07 Stang

How many times have I gone out being worried about being beat by another car? NONE! I don't race on the streets and I have a problem with people who do. So who cares if the Camery V6 is faster.....our Mustangs are gorgeous and will snap a head in a heart beat!
If you are so worried about the performance, slap a S/C in there. http://soundmachine.org/dci/forum/images/smiles/icon_knight.gif


there it is! yes!


I know....I thought of you when I posted it! :D

I dont understand how most of you dont believe a stock camry can beat the stock 4.0. It can and it will everytime. Now keep in mind that it is the top model camry and compared to the top model mustang it has no chance. Everyone here is right for the price difference they shouldn't even be compared. But people saying that the stock 4.0 will beat the camry with a good driver, your in denial.

ORIGINAL: 07 Stang

ORIGINAL: LL88

ORIGINAL: 07 Stang

How many times have I gone out being worried about being beat by another car? NONE! I don't race on the streets and I have a problem with people who do. So who cares if the Camery V6 is faster.....our Mustangs are gorgeous and will snap a head in a heart beat!
If you are so worried about the performance, slap a S/C in there. http://soundmachine.org/dci/forum/images/smiles/icon_knight.gif


there it is! yes!


I know....I thought of you when I posted it! :D


lol sweet

SO WHAT!!!if a Camry is a little faster than a stock V-6 Mustang, its still just another boring looking little Japanese 4dr. My car STANDS OUT compared to these things! Let the people with no sense of style or beautyhave them.

wow...that is all i have to say about this thread...wow...

the stupidity.

See, even the Lamborghini gets no respect!
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I LIKE CAMRY's .....THEY ARE COOL.......hahaha[8D]................my old 85 camry got me major chicks in high school.....or was it my 82 datsun[>:].....can't remember but they both pulled mad chicks....hahaha....i hope my mustang can top em both[8D]