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Mr. Classic EFI -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (11/17/2007 6:36:30 PM)

My header tank is plumbed like jcomp's, return feeds into the header tank, with a dedicated return to the main tank. I dident trust the "T" to return enough fuel to keep the header tank full.


  

jcomp -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (11/17/2007 7:55:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mr. Classic EFI

My header tank is plumbed like jcomp's, return feeds into the header tank, with a dedicated return to the main tank. I dident trust the "T" to return enough fuel to keep the header tank full.


I agree. I know there are a lot of them out there like that and they run great but I wanted a more positive control of the fuel flow. Plus, this way there isn't another hose going from the T fitting down to the filter assembly.

I had also considered building the surge tank out of AN hose. A three foot section of 3/4" ID hose would hold approximately a quart of fuel. The lower end of the hose would have been feeding the high pressure pump and there would have been a couple of T fittings at the top for the return, etc. It would have been very durable but also VERY expensive. -12AN hose itself isn't too bad but the $60 fittings (each) really drive the bill sky high. [:)]


gothand -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (11/18/2007 10:29:19 AM)

Anybody ever run an EFI setup without a surge tank, and if so, what were the results?  I know that the RMP setup doesn't use one and the Mustang's Plus writeup didn't mention one IIRC.  FWIW, my Jeep doesn't have much of a sump in the tank (I've had it apart) and I've put it through some pretty severe offcamber and climbing situations and have never had a problem with starvation.

The reason I ask is that the fuel system is the last order of business for me to resolve before starting my swap.

Jeff


cxr -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (3/10/2008 2:56:59 PM)

Just bumpin this for an update on progress[:D]


gothand -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (3/10/2008 9:43:00 PM)

It's not my thread, but my EFI swap is done and working like a champ!  I'm not using a surge tank, and so far, I have not encountered any problems.  I don't think I've had the tank below 1/4 full, but I do have a 20 gallon tank.


cxr -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (5/8/2008 2:44:14 PM)

just wondering if this was ever finished and running???


tarafied1 -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (5/8/2008 4:45:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cxr

just wondering if this was ever finished and running???

me too!


hutchamatic -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (5/14/2008 6:24:40 PM)

I am doing an EEC-IV EFI swap in my 67. I have a 95 5.0.Am Using an Explorer Upper and lower intake. AODE. I guess I cheated a little. I bought the RMP complete fuel system, Painless 5.0 wiring. I work on autos all day for a living and wanted to make it a quicker swap once I get started. I am also using a Bauhman Trans controller. I like the AODE by not having to work with a TV cable. Plus I can control the shift quality and timing with a laptop. 


JamesW -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (5/14/2008 6:47:00 PM)

Need some advice on installing an AOD behind a 5.0.  I just bought a 91 AOD that's been sitting for 5 months.  How do I service the torque convertor before installing the trans?  pull it off and fill it?  how much?


gcroix -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (6/18/2008 10:48:45 AM)

It''s taken 9+ years, but my ''66 Mustang coupe is FINALLY back on the road. Tired old 289 removed, 5.0L fuel injected engine put in. Got rid of the 40 year old C4 and put in a modern AOD transmission too.
It started in 1997, in North Carolina. Two weeks away from getting married, driving past a Chevrolet used car lot, I spotted a white 66 coupe. I had owned 65 Mustangs before, two of them. Test drove it, loved it. I said I''d buy it if they financed it. Didn''t think they would, but they did. (I wouldn''t do that part of the deal again, though!

Some of the things I had to figure out/come with way to make it work:

I used an external fuel pump, simple set up, no surge tank, or low pressure pump/high pressure combination.

Water pump…some pumps are clockwise rotation, some are counterclockwise. I had to think about my setup and get the right pump.

Wiring…I found a company that said they would make a harness for me. I had to send them a wiring harness from an early 1990’s Mustang and send it to them. So I had to get that off eBay (harness #1). Got it off eBay and sent the harness to the company. Never got part, so I was out that money. I decided that I would try to make the harness myself. I got harness #2 from eBay. Received it. After 3 months of messing with it, I finally determined that the wiring harness was from a Ford car, but not a Mustang. So I went to a local Mustang junkyard and got harness #3 from a 1992 Mustang. Bought a book, Ford Fuel Injection & Electronic Engine Control that helped a lot with figuring out what was what.


Fuel pump…had to figure out where I was going to mount it. I decided to mount it just above the rear end gear housing. Then I had to run fuel lines to the front of the car.

Transmission…bought a 1990 Mercury Grand Marquis just for the AOD transmission. After I took the transmission out, I sold the car to a junkyard. Stupid me though…if I had done just a little bit of work/thought, I would have realized that I could have used a lot of parts off the Merc, and wouldn’t have gotten rid of it so soon.

Transmission mount…had to get a special bracket that would let me put a 1990’s transmission into the Mustang. The newer transmission is bigger than the 1966 one, and the special bracket makes more room.

Radiator…bought a new radiator, because the one in the Mustang, I had no idea how old it was.

Oil pan..had to use the 1966 oil pan on the 1993 engine because of the shape of the body of the Mustang itself.

Timing chain cover…didn’t have to, but I used the 1966 timing chain cover on the 1993 engine.

Interior…had to cut a hole in the firewall and figure out where to mount the computer inside the car behind the dashboard. ‘Measure twice, cut once.’

Transmission oil cooler…added a transmission cooler to the car and mounted it in front of the radiator.

Wiring…several things:

First and most important, I found a guy on the internet that tirelessly answered all my questions. Him, and several websites such as ****.com and AllFordMustangs.com were tremendous help with this project.

-The computer needs a good source of 12v power, so I added a relay what would send 12v to the computer when I turned the key.

-This relay that turns the computer on, also powers a relay to turn the fuel pump on. I did not want to do it that way, so I added a separate relay to turn the fuel pump on.

-The 1992 harness only had to connect to the 1966 harness in about 4 or 5 places. When you turn the key to ‘on,’ the computer has to get power, the fuel pump has to get power, the 1992 coil gets power, and the distributor gets power. Then, when you turn the key to ‘start,’ the distributor has to know that you are trying to start the car. If the distributor does not get another, separate source of 12v when ‘cranking,’ the engine will not start. However, stick shift cars can start without this extra 12v source of power. So I had to add a wire that told the distributor that the car was trying to start.

-At this point, I could turn the key, and the fuel pump would come on. The actual turning of the starter was accomplished with the 1966 original wiring.

-The car would not start. I was not sure that the plugs were firing, so I bought a spark tester, and found out that the plugs were firing intermittently. With the help of the net, I found out that the plugs will not fire properly if the computer does not know that the fuel pump is on. So I put in a wire to tell the computer that the fuel pump was running.

-Spark plugs would still not fire correctly, still intermittent operation. Found a different schematic for my wiring, found out there were three grounds for my harness, where I had thought there was only one. I grounded the other wires.

-Engine would crank, fuel pump is on, spark plugs sparking, engine would not start. I would crank the engine while rotating the distributor, hoping that my timing was off, and that’s why my Mustang wouldn’t start. Wrong.

-After a few days of this, I did some more reading, I found out that I had put my distributor in the engine incorrectly. In older cars, you could rotate the distributor and eventually the timing would be correct and the engine would run; you could continue to rotate the distributor and the engine would smooth out. In newer autos, the distributor had to be put in more accurately, one tooth off and the engine will not start. That’s what I had done, put the distributor in one tooth off. On March 26th, 2:15 pm, I pulled the distributor, moved it one tooth over, and put it back in. What do you know, the engine started.


That’s about it. I had to buy a special cable to make the shifter work, and a special cable to make the gas pedal work.
Update: Drove it to work finally, last Thursday. Master cylinder gave out on the way home...about the only part in the driveline that hasn''t been replaced. That''s okay...new kit to convert front drums to discs is being ordered this week!

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JamesW -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (6/18/2008 7:23:28 PM)

great story


vineman -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (6/18/2008 10:52:45 PM)

ok so Im doing the EFI swap and I have a ton of questions I''ll be asking i know but the one that really concerns me right now that no one has ever posted on the internet that i can find is How do you connect the computer and harness of the EFI to the gauges of the stang so it will read correctly? I know how to get the speed-o to work but what about gas, oil, alt, water temp, tach, etc.?  How do you get it to connect so it will illuminate the gauges? Do you use the stock harness for mostly stuff not engine related such as the lights, a/c, and heat?


gcroix -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (6/19/2008 7:33:19 AM)

Hey Vine.  On my 66, I used the original 66 wiring and gauges.  The gas gauge used the 66 wiring, as does the oil pressure.  I put a 130 amp alternator in, and bought a wiring adaptor from Ron Morris specifically for this, so the original alt gauge remains the same.  I know there are cheaper ways to put a modern alt on your car, but that''s what I did.  The water temp, I spliced the 66 water temp gauge to the EFI water temp wire, so the temp sensor in the intake manifold feeds both the EFI computer, and the dash gauge.  As far as the tach, there is a wire in my 1992 harness that feeds the tach, and I use that wire when I want to know RPM, and I plan to get a tach eventually.  In other words, most of the gauges on my dash continue to use the 66 wiring, and the EFI has it''s own sensors/wiring, with the exception of water temp, I spliced those together.


JamesW -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (6/19/2008 8:34:46 PM)

Exactly....it''s never posted because you use the original wiring from the vehicle.


vineman -> RE: EFI 5.0L Swap (6/21/2008 2:23:18 PM)

ok, well that helps, thanks.  i know I''ll have more ques as i dive into this little undertaking.  i have an engine and trans lined up but i haven''t picked it up yet but plan to soon.


  

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