EFI 5.0L Swap
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RE: EFI 5.0L Swap - 7/24/2007 5:22:34 AM
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67 evil eleanor
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Look for "James W" on here, he will be able to help with any specific questions. What kind of ECM you be using? Thats usually the big hang up with an EFI, getting them to run. But once they do, you will be spoiled.
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RE: EFI 5.0L Swap - 7/24/2007 10:05:28 AM
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jcomp
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Yeah, I've read JamesW's site and quite a few others. There's a lot of information out there on this swap which is one of the reasons I'm doing it. I also like how I can just buy some of the conversion parts instead of having to build them.
I'll be using the ecm from the donor car, I haven't looked at it closely to see which specific program code I have. I think the wiring will be the most tedious part of the build, but more time consuming than difficult. I was trained in the military to work on electronics and I spent 8 years calibrating, troubleshooting, and repairing electronic test equipment. I'm hoping I will be able to figure out how to wire this car. I guess we'll see...
Anyway, I've broken my basic plan of attack down to three main areas. The mechanical, plumbing, and electrical. Step one will be to get the engine mounted in the car and handle the driveshaft, throttle, mounts, etc. Step two will be to do the fuel system, cooling system, power steering. Step three will be to wire it all in. It's not a rigid plan, but it's a good way to break this large project into a series of smaller ones.
I'm looking forward to being spoiled. 
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RE: EFI 5.0L Swap - 7/24/2007 11:41:29 AM
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OutLaw66stang
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Yes, im doing the same with my 66 and i like the idea of moving the dip stick how and were did u learn that and do u have to
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RE: EFI 5.0L Swap - 7/24/2007 12:24:22 PM
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gothand
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Yes, im doing the same with my 66 and i like the idea of moving the dip stick how and were did u learn that and do u have to
It is pretty obvious where to drill once you get in there. You can see my dipstick peeking out behind my alternator.
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RE: EFI 5.0L Swap - 7/24/2007 12:30:45 PM
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66GTKFB
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Do you always write notes to yourself - 'ATF Type F'? Have you considered 'Post-it' notes? And can you see the ground thru all that plumbing, belts and other junk? At least it's clean.
Jim
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RE: EFI 5.0L Swap - 7/24/2007 1:24:36 PM
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jcomp
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Yes, im doing the same with my 66 and i like the idea of moving the dip stick how and were did u learn that and do u have to
Here's JamesW's page on the subject: http://www.midnightdsigns.com/Mustang/Engine.htm
Here's another one: http://www.mustangandfords.com/howto/16159_engine_aod_transmission_swap/
If the drilling is not something you want to do, Jegs has a kit to take care of the conversion. New oil pan, timing cover, dipstick, etc.
The dipstick should be moved because it needs to go down into the oil pan sump.
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RE: EFI 5.0L Swap - 7/24/2007 3:14:31 PM
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OutLaw66stang
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OK i see now thanks.
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RE: EFI 5.0L Swap - 7/24/2007 3:44:08 PM
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JamesW
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You'll like being spoiled. I drove mine 250 miles last weekend..... average 22.7 mpg.
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RE: EFI 5.0L Swap - 7/24/2007 4:10:27 PM
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Do you always write notes to yourself - 'ATF Type F'? Have you considered 'Post-it' notes? And can you see the ground thru all that plumbing, belts and other junk? At least it's clean.
Jim
That Type F white letters was the first thing my eyes went to when I opened it. Ya' know when you are getting old when you have CRS disease and have to write notes to yourself in your engine bay. Just teasing Jeff. Keep on truckin' brutha.
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RE: EFI 5.0L Swap - 7/24/2007 4:56:47 PM
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gothand
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Do you always write notes to yourself - 'ATF Type F'? Have you considered 'Post-it' notes? And can you see the ground thru all that plumbing, belts and other junk? At least it's clean.
Jim
Ha ha, that will be coming off! The front drive accessories, including the power steering pump, were originally from an '85 GT vert that my father and I built up in the late 80's. It was his bright idea to write that on there, but being that it was really hidden in the engine bay of an '85, it didn't seem that big of a deal at the time.
Here is as short of an explanation of my current build as quickly and best as I can describe it:
- Took a nice, almost new '85 GT vert (loved that car) and swapped in a built 351W, WC T5 tranny, subframes, 8.8" rear, 245 gatorback tires, Kaufmann prepped suspension (does anybody else remember that name from the early Fox body days?)
- About 1992, happened upon a straight, partially disassembled '65 A-code fastback for $3000 in need of paint and a driveline and bought it as a project (already had a '65 GT coupe driver).
- '85 was getting more and more difficult to smog and body was showing lots of wear so I pulled the engine and tranny and set off to build a performance prepped fastback (I was only 23 or 24 at the time, single and fresh out of college).
- Added a new Currie 9" and a Global West suspension, swapped in 351W and T5, had custom headers and exhaust built and reupholstered the seats.
- The economy, specifically home development, hit its worst, most prolonged recession in the L.A. area ... put project on the shelf.
- Economy picks back up, get bit by the Jeep bug, park '65 GT in storage next to the fastback.
- Marriage, kids ...
- Sold storage facility so the Mustangs have to find new place to hibernate ... my home garage.
- Five cars are too many to store at my house so one has to go ... bye bye GT coupe.
- Staring at the fastback gets the juices flowing again so the project resumes (last October).
- Engine did not age well in 10 years of storage so out it comes for a 302 which fits better in the engine bay.
- Bought crate motor and swapped it in and out several times due to a rear main seal leak, ultimately returning it because the builder's fix didn't work. (engine shown in previous pic)
- Bought Ford Racing crate motor like I should've in the first place. (no pic)
- Motor in, dynotuned, runs like a clock and is very streetable.
- Nearly every part purchased, restored and/or polished and ready for install.
- Car blasted, primed, sanded, prepped
- Review color spray sample tomorrow (7/25) in anticipation of spray next week.
- Get car back, paint and reassemble interior and assemble exterior.
- Pour a cold Guiness, forget about the thousands of dollars spent, blood (seven stitches above the eyebrow), sweat and tears (more than I'd care to admit ) and the 15 years it took to finish ... and think about the 'vert I'd like to have.
This has been an interesting project to say the least. The finished product will reflect how much a person can change in 15 years and four kids. What started out as a performance build finishes as an attempt to retain as stock appearance as reasonably possible (exterior looks 100% stock except for slightly lower stance) given the parts that are already in place (suspension, driveline). Mark my words, if and when I get a 65/66 vert, it will be planned and completed in a more timely, organize manner. Better yet, I may just purchase one already completed and save some money. 
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RE: EFI 5.0L Swap - 7/24/2007 5:56:15 PM
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67 evil eleanor
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My plan of attack would be to do all the mounting first. I think you will have to fab the engine mounts though, not sure if they have anything out for that. I pretty much built my whole car, then disassembled it for paint. Are you going to loose the shock towers in favor of a Mustang II front? As far as the wiring, if you can read schematics, it should be a breeze. I prompted for an aftermarket ECM. At first, I was very intimidated by the program, but once I learned to turn the screws and twist the distributor on the keyboard, it became fun to mess with. Tune the car without raising the hood. Good luck and have fun. Oh, I did start a file and notebook on the build, just to keep my head on straight.
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RE: EFI 5.0L Swap - 7/24/2007 8:41:42 PM
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jcomp
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You'll like being spoiled. I drove mine 250 miles last weekend..... average 22.7 mpg.
I think I'll like that quite a bit.
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My plan of attack would be to do all the mounting first. I think you will have to fab the engine mounts though, not sure if they have anything out for that. I pretty much built my whole car, then disassembled it for paint. Are you going to loose the shock towers in favor of a Mustang II front? As far as the wiring, if you can read schematics, it should be a breeze. I prompted for an aftermarket ECM. At first, I was very intimidated by the program, but once I learned to turn the screws and twist the distributor on the keyboard, it became fun to mess with. Tune the car without raising the hood. Good luck and have fun. Oh, I did start a file and notebook on the build, just to keep my head on straight.
I went ahead and bought the Ron Morris AOD crossmember so, in theory, the engine/trans should bolt in with the stock isolators. I came VERY close to ordering a Heidt's Mustang II front suspension for the car but decided not to. I'm not too concerned with the prevailing opinion of "experts" that it isn't an optimum suspension, I think it would be fine in my daily driver. The reason I'm holding off is because I don't want to make the project too big. I'd like to be driving the car next month. It's still on the table, though. I do plan on installing a set of Heidt's subframe connectors before this is all over.
It would be great to be able to tune the engine with a computer. I happen to write software for a living (have a degree in Mathematics/Computer Science) and the fusion of my job and my hobby would be pretty cool. But I want this project to be mostly off-the-shelf parts. When I get around to putting turbos and fuel injection on my Pontiac... It will be exciting. Gotta build a good reliable driver first, though.
I've been taking a lot of pictures as I go, I might build a website detailing my project. I think I'm going to do a few things differently than some of the other sites I've seen.
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Today's Progress - 7/24/2007 8:57:22 PM
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jcomp
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Here's another pic of the dipstick on the 5.0:
It's got some extra curve in it from being too enthusiastic about tapping it down with the hammer.  But it functions properly, so I'm not going to redo it.
I got the old 351 and trans pulled out today. What a mess. I also pulled off most of the front of the engine. Found a bad connector going to the alternator, broken bolt on the water pump, bad harmonic balancer, rust colored antifreeze, the lower radiator hose spring was entirely rusted and broken in places. The thing was so dirty I stopped halfway through and pressure washed the newly exposed portions of the engine compartment.
Anyway, I drove it this afternoon one last time and here's what it looked like when I started:
And here's what it looks like now:
Time for a shower and maybe a run to get some beer. 
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