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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/25/2007 5:12:09 PM
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MrRogers
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I guess it all depends on how you look at it. Everyone likes vettes. not everyone likes stangs, I think they are more unique looking. I see 25 vettes a day, no bs. I see half the amount of stangs. Simple reason, vettes are typically better. Plus, I don't like the near 1K a month for that kind of car. I can easily put some more inexpensive mods in my car, and it would be fast then a stock C6. I put a supercharger in it and it will be just as fast as a ZO6. In the top end, I can modify my engine to get up in the really high speeds. Overall, vettes are bad ass, but, I prefer my stang. Question for the C6 Z06 owners, do vettes really get 25 MPG like Chevy claims they do? I find it hard to believe, seeing as they have 200 more HP then a stang gt, and a bigger engine, and get better gas mileage
1) Before I moved to Pasadena, I lived down the Street from Cormier Chevrolet. They are the Largest Corette dealer on this side of the Mississippi river...they also have a great service department have have broken Corvette monthly sales records...having that said..I still didn't see 25 Vettes a day, ever....your exaggeration is a futile attempt make it appear as if Corvettes are more common than Mustangs but simple prodcution #s can defuse that that bomb.
2) Do you really want to compare a modified Mustang to a stock C6? Whats the point? You act as if Corvettes don't have an aftermarket? Lets not even get into what the LSX engines do with a couple of bolt ons. Stangs and Vettes can both be made fast on a budget.
3) After my mods and tuning, I still average 26mpg..which is amazing considering the Rwhp I'm pushing. The pushrod engines are ridiculously efficient..
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/25/2007 5:19:16 PM
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I guess it all depends on how you look at it. Everyone likes vettes. not everyone likes stangs, I think they are more unique looking. I see 25 vettes a day, no bs. I see half the amount of stangs. Simple reason, vettes are typically better. Plus, I don't like the near 1K a month for that kind of car. I can easily put some more inexpensive mods in my car, and it would be fast then a stock C6. I put a supercharger in it and it will be just as fast as a ZO6. In the top end, I can modify my engine to get up in the really high speeds. Overall, vettes are bad ass, but, I prefer my stang. Question for the C6 Z06 owners, do vettes really get 25 MPG like Chevy claims they do? I find it hard to believe, seeing as they have 200 more HP then a stang gt, and a bigger engine, and get better gas mileage
1) Before I moved to Pasadena, I lived down the Street from Cormier Chevrolet. They are the Largest Corette dealer on this side of the Mississippi river...they also have a great service department have have broken Corvette monthly sales records...having that said..I still didn't 25 Vettes a day, ever....your exaggeration is a futile attempt make it appear as if Corvettes are more common than Mustangs but simple prodcution #s can defuse that that bomb.
2) Do you really want to compare a modified Mustang to a stock C6? Whats the point? You act as if Corvettes don't have an aftermarket? Lets not even get into what the LSX engines do with a couple of bolt ons. Stangs and Vettes can both be made fast on a budget.
3) After my mods and tuning, I still average 26mpg..which is amazing considering the Rwhp I'm pushing. The pushrod engines are ridiculously efficient..
not only that, but corvettes can accully handle well.... Go ahead & put a S/C on your car, and a bunch of other goodies. Take it out on a real track aginst a bone stock Z06 and watch the Z06 run laps around it all day. And if your only into drag racing thats fine, but like he said. Corvettes have a great aftermarket too.
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/25/2007 5:30:03 PM
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2) Do you really want to compare a modified Mustang to a stock C6? Whats the point? You act as if Corvettes don't have an aftermarket? Lets not even get into what the LSX engines do with a couple of bolt ons. Stangs and Vettes can both be made fast on a budget.
In fairness to the point that Grabber was making (I don't think he was trying to piss on the Corvette owners' parade), it's no different than a few guys in here who have made their opinion known on the topic of the Ford GT............how much faster they could make their Corvette than the GT given the difference in price. The counter to that will always be......."Well, yea.......but put some mods on the GT and see what happens." Alot of ppl don't like to hear that kind of point of view, but it has plenty of truth to it. No different than guys who go buy junk cars and put together piles of used parts to build super fast track machines for a fraction of the cost of a brand new stock car.
Now, let's face it.....there's a difference to be had there. A person could dump all the money in the world into a Mustang and it still won't anything more prestigious than a Mustang.......but some ppl have a preference to a certain type of car, and modifying it to compete with another car's performance level is what this hobby is all about. It's the reason I went with my GT over a new GTO. For what I would have put money wise into acquiring a GTO (which, at the time would have been almost 35K)......I have a much faster Mustang. Sure, it still doesn't have an LS2 motor or that nice interior......but I'm perfectly happy with my results.
Com'on Rog, don't tell me you don't find a great deal of satisfaction in putting a whoopin on those Euro exotics that costs several times what your Z did.  That's the feeling alot of lower end guys (like Mustang owners) get from being able to get their car running on the same level as, say....a Vette. It's not meant to take anything away from the prestige of such a car, it's just a benchmark that says they've got a strong running car. I'd give the same props to some guy who could get his Civic to run toe to toe with my car.
Just a little perspective balancing........
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/25/2007 5:57:22 PM
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2) Do you really want to compare a modified Mustang to a stock C6? Whats the point? You act as if Corvettes don't have an aftermarket? Lets not even get into what the LSX engines do with a couple of bolt ons. Stangs and Vettes can both be made fast on a budget.
In fairness to the point that Grabber was making (I don't think he was trying to piss on the Corvette owners' parade), it's no different than a few guys in here who have made their opinion known on the topic of the Ford GT............how much faster they could make their Corvette than the GT given the difference in price. The counter to that will always be......."Well, yea.......but put some mods on the GT and see what happens." Alot of ppl don't like to hear that kind of point of view, but it has plenty of truth to it. No different than guys who go buy junk cars and put together piles of used parts to build super fast track machines for a fraction of the cost of a brand new stock car.
Now, let's face it.....there's a difference to be had there. A person could dump all the money in the world into a Mustang and it still won't anything more prestigious than a Mustang.......but some ppl have a preference to a certain type of car, and modifying it to compete with another car's performance level is what this hobby is all about. It's the reason I went with my GT over a new GTO. For what I would have put money wise into acquiring a GTO (which, at the time would have been almost 35K)......I have a much faster Mustang. Sure, it still doesn't have an LS2 motor or that nice interior......but I'm perfectly happy with my results.
Com'on Rog, don't tell me you don't find a great deal of satisfaction in putting a whoopin on those Euro exotics that costs several times what your Z did. That's the feeling alot of lower end guys (like Mustang owners) get from being able to get their car running on the same level as, say....a Vette. It's not meant to take anything away from the prestige of such a car, it's just a benchmark that says they've got a strong running car. I'd give the same props to some guy who could get his Civic to run toe to toe with my car.
Just a little perspective balancing........
ThisBlood, as usual, you make alot of great points. I wasn't upset at his comments, I was just presenting the argument from another perspective. Back a few months ago when I did beat on that Ferrari, I was completely stock. Surely I was justified form getting satisfaction from that. But now that I am not stock, even though I only have bolt-ons, I have not since compared my car to anything $$$ wise. It wouldn't make sense to. I have altered the Vehicles performance. It seems that Vehicle cost nowadays is right at a 65% Prestige 35% performance ratio...Meaning performance is not the major contributing factor to vehicle cost. Once a person modifies their car, the ratio is altered. the modified Vehicle will not have the same appreciation that a identical stock Vehicle has. Because the prestige has been altered. Modified Corvettes are Cheaper than stock ones...Buyer trust is what depreciates the vehicle...people are more comfortable buying a stock car. Having that said, I find no point in comparing a stock car to a modified car in any application. If they ever make a stock Mustang faster than a Stock Vette, that is well worthy of Kudos. The 2003-2004 Cobras ate up the stock C5 Vettes. That's an achievement to me...that's something special. The SVT Cobra will always be respected for that. Now if you go supercharge a GT that can go beat that same C5 Vette, it still won't get as much respect as the Cobra. But that's just my worthless opinion..
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/25/2007 6:22:43 PM
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2) Do you really want to compare a modified Mustang to a stock C6? Whats the point? You act as if Corvettes don't have an aftermarket? Lets not even get into what the LSX engines do with a couple of bolt ons. Stangs and Vettes can both be made fast on a budget.
In fairness to the point that Grabber was making (I don't think he was trying to piss on the Corvette owners' parade), it's no different than a few guys in here who have made their opinion known on the topic of the Ford GT............how much faster they could make their Corvette than the GT given the difference in price. The counter to that will always be......."Well, yea.......but put some mods on the GT and see what happens." Alot of ppl don't like to hear that kind of point of view, but it has plenty of truth to it. No different than guys who go buy junk cars and put together piles of used parts to build super fast track machines for a fraction of the cost of a brand new stock car.
Now, let's face it.....there's a difference to be had there. A person could dump all the money in the world into a Mustang and it still won't anything more prestigious than a Mustang.......but some ppl have a preference to a certain type of car, and modifying it to compete with another car's performance level is what this hobby is all about. It's the reason I went with my GT over a new GTO. For what I would have put money wise into acquiring a GTO (which, at the time would have been almost 35K)......I have a much faster Mustang. Sure, it still doesn't have an LS2 motor or that nice interior......but I'm perfectly happy with my results.
Com'on Rog, don't tell me you don't find a great deal of satisfaction in putting a whoopin on those Euro exotics that costs several times what your Z did. That's the feeling alot of lower end guys (like Mustang owners) get from being able to get their car running on the same level as, say....a Vette. It's not meant to take anything away from the prestige of such a car, it's just a benchmark that says they've got a strong running car. I'd give the same props to some guy who could get his Civic to run toe to toe with my car.
Just a little perspective balancing........
ThisBlood, as usual, you make alot of great points. I wasn't upset at his comments, I was just presenting the argument from another perspective. Back a few months ago when I did beat on that Ferrari, I was completely stock. Surely I was justified form getting satisfaction from that. But now that I am not stock, even though I only have bolt-ons, I have not since compared my car to anything $$$ wise. It wouldn't make sense to. I have altered the Vehicles performance. It seems that Vehicle cost nowadays is right at a 65% Prestige 35% performance ratio...Meaning performance is not the major contributing factor to vehicle cost. Once a person modifies their car, the ratio is altered. the modified Vehicle will not have the same appreciation that a identical stock Vehicle has. Because the prestige has been altered. Modified Corvettes are Cheaper than stock ones...Buyer trust is what depreciates the vehicle...people are more comfortable buying a stock car. Having that said, I find no point in comparing a stock car to a modified car in any application. If they ever make a stock Mustang faster than a Stock Vette, that is well worthy of Kudos. The 2003-2004 Cobras ate up the stock C5 Vettes. That's an achievement to me...that's something special. The SVT Cobra will always be respected for that. Now if you go supercharge a GT that can go beat that same C5 Vette, it still won't get as much respect as the Cobra. But that's just my worthless opinion..
ahhh the good ol days
they should bring the termie back to kill new ´vettes.
no offense mr.rogers
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/25/2007 6:36:06 PM
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Point taken Rog. I wasn't trying to take sides really, both sides of that argument are valid. But sometimes ppl in here use one side of this argument when it suits them, and the other when the shoe switches foot. I know, I've done it myself.
I think the more we're able to see both sides of a particular argument, the better a discussion forum this place will be............
More info.............less flames
And for the record, I have no problems with the Mustang being behind the Vette in performance stock for stock.........thats how it should be. I think America's two automotive icons can co-exist just fine.
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/25/2007 6:42:02 PM
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Point taken Rog. I wasn't trying to take sides really, both sides of that argument are valid. But sometimes ppl in here use one side of this argument when it suits them, and the other when the shoe switches foot. I know, I've done it myself.
I think the more we're able to see both sides of a particular argument, the better a discussion forum this place will be............
More info.............less flames
And for the record, I have no problems with the Mustang being behind the Vette in performance stock for stock.........thats how it should be. I think America's two automotive icons can co-exist just fine.
They seem to be getting along just fine in my garage..lol Both are great for different reasons.
I see where your coming from and you see where I'm coming from...
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/25/2007 6:51:51 PM
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I guess it all depends on how you look at it. Everyone likes vettes. not everyone likes stangs, I think they are more unique looking. I see 25 vettes a day, no bs. I see half the amount of stangs. Simple reason, vettes are typically better. Plus, I don't like the near 1K a month for that kind of car. I can easily put some more inexpensive mods in my car, and it would be fast then a stock C6. I put a supercharger in it and it will be just as fast as a ZO6. In the top end, I can modify my engine to get up in the really high speeds. Overall, vettes are bad ass, but, I prefer my stang. Question for the C6 Z06 owners, do vettes really get 25 MPG like Chevy claims they do? I find it hard to believe, seeing as they have 200 more HP then a stang gt, and a bigger engine, and get better gas mileage
1) Before I moved to Pasadena, I lived down the Street from Cormier Chevrolet. They are the Largest Corette dealer on this side of the Mississippi river...they also have a great service department have have broken Corvette monthly sales records...having that said..I still didn't 25 Vettes a day, ever....your exaggeration is a futile attempt make it appear as if Corvettes are more common than Mustangs but simple prodcution #s can defuse that that bomb.
2) Do you really want to compare a modified Mustang to a stock C6? Whats the point? You act as if Corvettes don't have an aftermarket? Lets not even get into what the LSX engines do with a couple of bolt ons. Stangs and Vettes can both be made fast on a budget.
3) After my mods and tuning, I still average 26mpg..which is amazing considering the Rwhp I'm pushing. The pushrod engines are ridiculously efficient..
not only that, but corvettes can accully handle well.... Go ahead & put a S/C on your car, and a bunch of other goodies. Take it out on a real track aginst a bone stock Z06 and watch the Z06 run laps around it all day. And if your only into drag racing thats fine, but like he said. Corvettes have a great aftermarket too.
I see way more Vettes and Mustangs than I do Camaro SS's or WS6's. Around here S197's (both 6'ers and GT's) are litterally around every corner, Vettes are bit more rare, but not much. One day I was out driving and I decided to count how many Vettes I saw in 10 minutes, it was like 7 or 8, I was the only SS.
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/25/2007 6:52:12 PM
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roll from 45 to 100 per his request
I would deduct 8 hetero points and slap him in the face.
Seriously, that's a really gay race. Just run from a stop up to the 1/4 mile point.
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I got a call last night. My friend knows a guy with a stock C6 that wants to race me for fun. The kicker is that my buddy and the other guy's buddy want to put $500 down on the race, each protesting that their friend is faster.
The race will be from a dig, up to about 100mph. Too bad my car is in the shop right now. 
If he is completely factory stock then you have a very good shot at this one.
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/25/2007 7:06:13 PM
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I see way more Vettes and Mustangs than I do Camaro SS's or WS6's. Around here S197's (both 6'ers and GT's) are litterally around every corner, Vettes are bit more rare, but not much. One day I was out driving and I decided to count how many Vettes I saw in 10 minutes, it was like 7 or 8, I was the only SS.
Here's how it breaks down in my area (as far as most commonly sited)...
most common being no. 1:
1. New Edge V6s
2. SN95 V6s
3. New Edge GT's
4. S197 V6s
5. C5 Vettes
6. 4th gen Camaro V6's
7. S197 GTs
8. C6 Vettes
Honestly.......Mach 1s, LS1 F-bodies, New Edge Cobras, and C6 Z06s are extremely rare sights in this area. I can't really even put them up on the list.
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/25/2007 7:48:54 PM
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There are still lots of LS1/LT1's here, but Vettes are everywhere. I bet I saw 20 S197's today, and that's just going from my house to work, and I have to drive through a lower income (read ghettoish) area to get to work.
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/25/2007 7:55:08 PM
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I really dont see that many New Edge GT's,,,, tons of 99-05+ 4.0's..
Not many V8 F-Bodies of any form...
Not many 94-98 GT's or cobras,
actually, more corvettes than I do 94-98 GT's.. those are probaby the least common around here
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/25/2007 8:53:57 PM
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Yea, I agree.........the 94-98 GTs are very scarce around here too. It's weird.......like they became extinct overnight or something. There's no shortage of S197 V6ers......but surprisingly the GT's still aren't that common. The only GT500 in our area belongs to our sheriff.
I do see more LT1 F-bodies than LS1s......but most of the mid 90s body 4th gens that I do see are V6s. I do see more LT1 T/As than I see LT1 Camaros. Of the LS1s, the Camaro SS and WS6 are the most rare around here.....though I have seen slightly more WS6's than SS's. There are a few GTOs around, you see mostly the same ones over and over. Theres a couple of 04s, and 2 or 3 LS2s that I see from time to time.
One observation though........the 3rd gen F-bodies (especially the IROCs) are starting to make a comeback around here seems like. And I did forget to put the Foxes on my list......they are about as common as S197 GTs right now I'd say.
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/26/2007 12:10:29 AM
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A rare sight around here are the 1994-1995 Cobras......Since I drive for a living (county transit) I'm always on the road and I see an average of 2-3 C6's per day....
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/26/2007 5:37:28 AM
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Rog, my apologies if I my statement came off as an insult. I was merely stating that I would rather have a stang, and I prefer the look over them over a Vette. I know stock for stock, even modified a vette will 9/10 times beat a stang. I also know that if both cars were taken on a track, the vette would run circles around a stang anyday. I drove my uncles C5 with like 650HP, not sure what he had done, but, it would not only give you serious whiplash, but it also felt like it was on rails. I also found it surprising that such a powerful machine can get better gas mileage almost as much as a honda civic. That is insane, not saying I do not believe it, just meant that it is odd. For the record, I'm not hating. In Chicago, there are so many corvettes here it is not even funny. I guess the population likes vettes. Not saying that I do not see a lot of stangs, I see so many of them. Both cars are very attractive and very much favored within the populace. Personally, I think your car is one bad mutha, and if it helps any, your car is something to brag about....If you know my mean...So, again, my apologies, no harm no foul...
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/26/2007 6:59:34 AM
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Rog, my apologies if I my statement came off as an insult. I was merely stating that I would rather have a stang, and I prefer the look over them over a Vette. I know stock for stock, even modified a vette will 9/10 times beat a stang. I also know that if both cars were taken on a track, the vette would run circles around a stang anyday. I drove my uncles C5 with like 650HP, not sure what he had done, but, it would not only give you serious whiplash, but it also felt like it was on rails. I also found it surprising that such a powerful machine can get better gas mileage almost as much as a honda civic. That is insane, not saying I do not believe it, just meant that it is odd. For the record, I'm not hating. In Chicago, there are so many corvettes here it is not even funny. I guess the population likes vettes. Not saying that I do not see a lot of stangs, I see so many of them. Both cars are very attractive and very much favored within the populace. Personally, I think your car is one bad mutha, and if it helps any, your car is something to brag about....If you know my mean...So, again, my apologies, no harm no foul...
Dude your cool with me. No need for apologies, I was not offended. However, I thought I would shed some light on a few things in your post. You have every right to say what you feel. So don't take it personal if I disagree with your statement. If you were offended, I apologize for that. My motto is "when the thread dies, so should the argument"
Again no hard feelings.
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/26/2007 7:07:37 AM
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straight.....Glad to hear that.....I heard they are coming out with a new C6 before Chevy starts the C7. Something like 600-700 HP, a monster of a vette. Anyone hear about this?
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RE: Street/Strip bench racing thread - 7/26/2007 7:41:46 AM
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The only thing I've read about the C6 is it's supposed to get the new LS3 with between 430 & 450 HP. The bluedevil or whatever it's going to be called will be in the 650 range from what i've read and will a 6 figure Vette. The 08 Viper will be 600 this year and pricing is also supposed to break 6 figures.
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