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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 2:20:54 PM
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MustangMike2001
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It's not like it takes a genious to figure out the GT comes with more power out the box but it does take someone with at least 3rd grade math knowledge (unlike some people here aparently) to realize you can build the V6 to MORE power for less money than owning the GT. Not to mention you can build the V6 past hp levels that would destroy the 4.6.
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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 2:22:28 PM
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It's not like it takes a genious to figure out the GT comes with more power out the box but it does take someone with at least 3rd grade math knowledge (unlike some people here aparently) to realize you can build the V6 to MORE power for less money than owning the GT. Not to mention you can build the V6 past hp levels that would destroy the 4.6.
U can build up a geo metro to destroy a z06 crovette lmao. Its just better to start off with some nice torque
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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 2:27:37 PM
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Point is, unless you want a strickly drag car, go get a cobra. Otherwise its just ****ing stupid to upgrade from a v6 to a GT just because "people say im missing 2 cylinders" or that junk. If you can afford to buy a gt and raise your insurance then by all means do it, but for the same price and less youd be able to have a just as quick sixer. Its my daily driver, it will be taken to the track, and i will mod the hell outa it  lol. And i think if your dedicated to your hobby of modding cars, then you can deffinitally beat down the "oh its only a sixer" saying, and put some power into these things.
Your talking about how much better the handling and torque and breaks and all are better in GT's, well thats all stuff id be replacing with the same parts im getting now, so why bother. And i like how there are few supercharged and turbocharged sixers out there, it makes me want to put my v6 badges back on.
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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 2:28:22 PM
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Xemeth
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No they do not get better gas milage than the V6. It is not drasticly less but these days a little less can be a big difference.
How you figure 260-193=80 is beyond me..
Most of the time V6 owners want to get the GT after they get their first "oh its just a V6" not b/c they honosty just have to have that V8 sound.
5 other models.. Cobra, Mach 1, Bullitt, Saleen, Roush.. duh
Wrong. Have you owned both? Then you have no right saying. I got 17mpg in my 2004 V6, and 23mpg in my 2002 GT. That's city, BTW.
And it's 70hp. Not 50 or 80. I guess 67 if you wanna be a bitch and argue the 3 HP. And 70 HP is a considerable amount.
And there's really two models. The Bullit is basically a GT with better suspension and 5 more HP from another intake. And it was only made 1 year. The Saleen and Roush are special edition models and aren't really made by Ford like the other are. So those don't really count, either.
And to all saying a GT isn't anything special, you're right. It's 260 HP. But 260 is still a hell of a lot more than 190. The GT is a better platform for modding.
Trying to argue that the V6 is better than the GT is rediculous. If the V6 was better, it wouldn't be the base model, now would it?
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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 2:31:36 PM
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MustangMike2001
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You obviously can't comprehend the point which is the V6 is a better starting point regardless of the fact that it drives off the lot with less power than a base model GT. Your list of mods would suggest you have intentions on building your car up for power but apprently you have no intentions to surpass the amazing power of the high 14 second GT since you refuse to accept the fact that you can be faster with what you currently have. My guess is you're just too lazy to put the work into it to get there. You would rather start off with a little more power and have less of a goal to acheive than to start off with less power and have the sky be the limit.
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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 2:32:34 PM
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No they do not get better gas milage than the V6. It is not drasticly less but these days a little less can be a big difference.
How you figure 260-193=80 is beyond me..
Most of the time V6 owners want to get the GT after they get their first "oh its just a V6" not b/c they honosty just have to have that V8 sound.
5 other models.. Cobra, Mach 1, Bullitt, Saleen, Roush.. duh
Wrong. Have you owned both? Then you have no right saying. I got 17mpg in my 2004 V6, and 23mpg in my 2002 GT. That's city, BTW.
And it's 70hp. Not 50 or 80. I guess 67 if you wanna be a bitch and argue the 3 HP. And 70 HP is a considerable amount.
And there's really two models. The Bullit is basically a GT with better suspension and 5 more HP from another intake. And it was only made 1 year. The Saleen and Roush are special edition models and aren't really made by Ford like the other are. So those don't really count, either.
And to all saying a GT isn't anything special, you're right. It's 260 HP. But 260 is still a hell of a lot more than 190. The GT is a better platform for modding.
Trying to argue that the V6 is better than the GT is rediculous. If the V6 was better, it wouldn't be the base model, now would it?
In my opinion a fast v6 is much more impressive then a fast v8. And because its not as common, i find alot more pride in it. I dont think the argument is the v6 is better then a gt, because like you said, its obviously not. The argument was "Is it worth putting money into a v6". And even though the answer is an opinion, in my opinion it totally is
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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 2:42:57 PM
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MustangMike2001
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No they do not get better gas milage than the V6. It is not drasticly less but these days a little less can be a big difference.
How you figure 260-193=80 is beyond me..
Most of the time V6 owners want to get the GT after they get their first "oh its just a V6" not b/c they honosty just have to have that V8 sound.
5 other models.. Cobra, Mach 1, Bullitt, Saleen, Roush.. duh
Wrong. Have you owned both? Then you have no right saying. I got 17mpg in my 2004 V6, and 23mpg in my 2002 GT. That's city, BTW. Aparently there was somthing needing attention on your V6 b/c I'm getiing 27-28 on the regular.
And it's 70hp. Not 50 or 80. I guess 67 if you wanna be a bitch and argue the 3 HP. And 70 HP is a considerable amount. Yeah sure it is. But it's attainable with the V6 for less than the cost difference of the GT.
And there's really two models. The Bullit is basically a GT with better suspension and 5 more HP from another intake. And it was only made 1 year. The Saleen and Roush are special edition models and aren't really made by Ford like the other are. So those don't really count, either. Those models don't count? lol well you be sure to tell that to those guys after they smoke your nice new GT.
And to all saying a GT isn't anything special, you're right. It's 260 HP. But 260 is still a hell of a lot more than 190. The GT is a better platform for modding. The GT can handle about 450 hp before exploding, gimme a break.
Trying to argue that the V6 is better than the GT is rediculous. If the V6 was better, it wouldn't be the base model, now would it? Of course not. B/c in a world of ignorent people who can't grasp the concept of starting off with less to gain more that would just be insane. That would take work and effort and you would much rather finance a GT than to step away from your computer and turn a wrench or two.
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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 2:47:51 PM
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hey guys i need some opinions... i have spent a decent amount of money on my car which is a 2001 black v6,(the money mostly all went to looks of the car, rims, projectors, antenna, stupid stuff) and i'm wondering if its worth it to buy an exhaust, tuner, or intake spacer for my car. i know these will give some horse power but is it worth to spend money on a v6. Should i buy the parts or just start saving for a gt???
well, I have a '98, and I am just trying to keep it runnin. I am looking to buy a new v6, as soon as my wife lets me. I test drove one of those, and the difference between the stock old and stock new v6 is night and day. I wouldn't write-off the new sixers just yet. As far as doing all that spending, well you have to remember that other parts of the car will be depreciating (not in the sense of value, but in the sense of stuff breaking down), so its just a matter of how long you want to keep your present vehicle.
If you're really attached to the 2001 (have you named her?), hang on to her a little longer, appreciate the work you've done so far. You did a lot of appearance stuff on the 2001, so what do you think of its base appearance? What do you think about the latest stang appearance? Will you immediately start modding your new car? As you consider these questions maybe you will start moving to decision one way or the other.
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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 2:58:48 PM
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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 2:59:38 PM
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Why the hostility? I don't get it.
I bought a V6 because it's what I could afford at the time. I didn't want to wait another year or so to have the money to buy a GT, and needed a car then. The only real gripe I have about the car is the suspension. 193hp at the crank is decent enough to drive from stoplight to stoplight in southern california, but who doesn't want more power? I'm tired of seeing these threads degrade into some sort of pecker swinging contest.
Really, though, I don't understand why the gas mileage is better in the same year GT than in my V6 but it is. No, I haven't owned a GT, but I have friends who do.
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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 3:00:25 PM
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MustangMike2001
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No they do not get better gas milage than the V6. It is not drasticly less but these days a little less can be a big difference.
How you figure 260-193=80 is beyond me..
Most of the time V6 owners want to get the GT after they get their first "oh its just a V6" not b/c they honosty just have to have that V8 sound.
5 other models.. Cobra, Mach 1, Bullitt, Saleen, Roush.. duh
Because most v6' are rated at 180 hp thats why I came up with that answer.I just estimaeted.SMART A**. you sound like your a gt hater or something lol. But anyways i threw arguing peace man nothing personal 
It's 190hp for 1999-2000 and 193hp for 2001-2004. There is no 180hp new edge Mustang. I'm not a GT hater. I think the GT is a good model for some people. But for anyone intending to build their car to it's full potential the 4.6 2 valve is a crappy choice.
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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 4:50:31 PM
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i have both and after being barely able to out pull a stock splitport with my 99 GT vert i lost all interest in modding the GT.
for those that don't know Matt Neuharth has a high 9 sec V6 and his car is in the Aug. edition of MM&FF. check it out. it will elighten a few of you.
the 3.8 essex family is well worth modding for power and a tad better than 5.0's as far as handling the power without having to get an aftermarket block and heads.
after owning an 86 turbo T-type buick and realizing ford copied buicks design but made improvements on it there was no turning back. buick guy's could never dream of running the same as the ford 3.8 at the same boost levels with stock cranks and blocks.
it is a waste to mod any car as far as return goes but for power the 3.8 is no slouch and makes very nice torque.
hell a stock for stock 98 auto V6 will run about the same as an 88 305 IROC F-body. not bad really 16 sec cars are no wonder but the potential is there.
how many imports like the 350Z will handle 600hp on stock cranks???
not too many and i doubt too many out there exist.
mod the 3.8 there is no shame in it
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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 8:44:57 PM
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ok... i don't care what the hell it is (6 cyl., 8 cyl., 12 cyl., 4 cyl.), if it has four wheels on it, drive it like hell and with pride if you like it. if you wanna go fast, make it fast. and then drive the hell outta it even more (at a track of course )
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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 8:56:59 PM
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first of all the new generation of mustang is ugly (looking at the design)
I would like to buy a V8 , but for how long I keep the V6 , I will change certain things
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RE: Worth spending $$$ on v6's - 7/23/2007 8:59:20 PM
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Xemeth
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I'm not saying the 3.8 isn't a good platform.
First off, any sixer enthusiast saying the 4.6 2v is a crappy platform can go shove it up their ass. The 3.8 is a 2v, too. It has 12 valves total, making a 2 valve per cylinder engine. So that arguement's out the window.
Secondly, the both respond similarly to mods. A CAI on a 3.8 will net about 2-3 HP. Same on a 4.6. So 190 HP, +2 from a CAI = 192 hp. 260HP +2=262. So saying it's cheaper to make a V6 faster than a V8 for less than the cost of a GT is wrong, unless you find a really expensive GT and really good deal on a supercharger.
Third, you say GT's will blow around 450ish rwhp. True. When will a V6 blow? Well, an 11 psi supercharger is usually considered safe with a good tune. That's about 280-300rwhp on a splitport. The crank may be fine, the block will be in great shape. But what about pistons, and rods? You need them too. Now before anyone says "Justing from VMP is running 400something rwhp on a daily driver, blah blah blah." Well that's one car. You're telling me that you take 100 V6 Mustangs and run 400something HP on a stock bottom end and not one will blow? Good luck.
Now I'm not against modding the 3.8. Honestly the only reason I got a GT is I really wanted a 5 speed, and didn't feel like taking the hassle of converting the V6, so I figured while I could afford it and I'm getting a new car anyways, I'd get a V8. I would have gotten a 4v, but the Mach's are still to expensive, and just the word "Cobra" means $1000 more a year on insurance. I coulda gotten a 96-98 Cobra, but I don't really like that body. So hence, I have my 02 GT.
On a side note, no matter what you do to a V6 it'll never sound like a V8. That's another V8 plus.
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