1977 Camaro LT!

Time to start Project:Stinger

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nice nice,what r the plans for it?

first im gonna sand it down, i have to cut out some small rust areas and re-weld in the new body piece, shouldnt be too hard on this old hog. Then im gonna throw on some yellow paint, black tripes, maybe new leather/pleather upholstery (whatever my grandma can put in for me) and then the rest will come. Plan on doin full exhuast, headers back true dual (no cats!! lol) to Magnaflow glass packs or Flows or hell maybe even cherry bombs! [8D]. After that probably new carb valve covers, clean up the engine bay. new wheels and tires, lower the front end a tad lift the back maybe. before i paint it im getting a cowl hood and a spoiler of course. its got a Tubro Hydra tranny which i guess is like a slap shift or something. the lady said it was manual/auto. Anyway i wanna get a hurst shifter in there, new rear end. SS exhuast tips.. the list exceeds my budget believe me lol. Ill put pics up as i said i would a while back..

I am calling it Project Stinger tho... kuz thats bad ass imo.


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i thought u wanted something fast:eek:

:eek:ehh i guess its alright why did u not anything newer this is going to be a dd be serious

Just cause it has 8 cylinders doesn't make it fast, you know. Well, congrats, and good luck with it. It's a 350, I hope?

The front end is ugly, IMO, but it's a Camaro. That's expected, lol.

ha pwned

Ehhh.... not my cup of tea, but good luck, just be prepaired to drop more money into a car than you could of ever imagined, just don't say we didn't warn ya. Oh, BTW, you're gonna need new heads and a 4 barrel carb to make that baby fast by modern standards.

Oooook..... Thanks for your support guys.. Thought you might be interested in someone actually taking on a challenger around here.. See you all later then if your not interested.. been nice knowing you.. enjoy the 6s.

This is probably who he got it from:

seattle-tacoma craigslist (http://seattle.craigslist.org/) > seattle (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/) > cars & trucks (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/)

"1977 camaro LT, has a 305 v8, Automatic trans, 4 barrel carb, black vinyl top, gray, call (360)661-6884 or (360)856-1420 ask for michael or email at michaelmartin_69@homail.com, trades welcome to a 88-91 camaro. asking $4000.00 OBO"

Awesome. That car a has a lot of potential.

If it does have a 305, then poo. A 305 is a 5.0 but with V6 power. And not new edge V6 power. Like sn95 power.

dam

No... it doesnt have a vinyl top... and screw you guys.. This is a project that i can add horsepower to faster than most of you snotty nosed punks can... Cant believe i considered you guys my "Friends.."

there you go again. if people aren't in 100% support of you, you get pissy. enjoy your lunchbox. you went from an ugly stang to a hedious camaro. you should re-read your posts before calling ANYBODY snotty-nosed punks. ;)

sorry thats ugly but i wish you good luck with your car.........as long a your happy congrats

Am i the only one looking at his plan and thinking...

bummblebee?

ORIGINAL: xX98StallionXx

No... it doesnt have a vinyl top... and screw you guys.. This is a project that i can add horsepower to faster than most of you snotty nosed punks can... Cant believe i considered you guys my "Friends.."


dude i had a modded third gen with a 305, the only reason i ever pulled 2 cars on the split port with 3.73s and FULL exhaust, and a shift kitwas cause my dad sucks at driving the stang, once i was in the stang and my buddy was in thestang no one would pull anywhere, and third gens > second gen, you were getting all pissy and bitching about how slow your stang was why the hell would you buy a SLOWER car?

great plans, you can have plans and build up with any car, if thats what you want, great, good luck with it, but i thought this whole thig was gettin a faster car?

Yes.. Bumblebee. Is that alright with you guys? I mean Its cool enough for you bad asses?

And Nanaki.. I LIKE MEN! You guys enjoy your cars, enjoy your forums... Ill catch you all later.. maybe if infact for some wild reason this lady gets another offer better than mine and i dont get it and i end up getting a LT1 or LS1 Camaro or maybe even an Edge GT then ill be back.... but i wont be hanging around these forums.. the 6 section is a joke these days... anyway... enjoy like i said..

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great plans, you can have plans and build up with any car, if thats what you want, great, good luck with it, but i thought this whole thig was gettin a faster car?


First of all, im not a fan of the 3rd gens.. and 2nd of all i can EASILY add power to this... its not like ill be racing, its got a great sounding/running V8 its got everything i was looking for that my mustang didnt have.. so what if it doesnt go fast STOCK... and like i said theres still a SLIM chance someone offers her more and reguardless, ive realized theres more to a car than speed... you can only speed at the tracks.. as long as it goes up to60mph and gets my from A-B and has a V8... its fine by me...

One last thing before I go... Just so you all know i came here posted this not expecting you to like the car but atleast hoping to get some support for goin into a project like this at 17 years old.. I understand its not the fastest thing out there but that can be changed and whats the point of buying a fast car thats got all the nice goodies and modded out the ass? I got this car so i can say i did something pretty substantial. I would like to thank you all who wished me serious luck and support. But I am not appriciating those of you who had nothing better to say than to bash on me.... And for those of you who made the slow comments. The only reason that these cars lost so much power from the early 70s and late 60s engines is due to the smog equipment but since i dont have to do emissions testing i plan on taking those out and freeing up horses.. adding full exhuast, pullies, carb, intake, heads all that sorta stuff will give me big gains... I will repost my final product to let those who supported my project know how it went.... Again thanks to those who supported me... Mustangman, didnt mean to snap back at you, i know you understand why these cars have potential and i plan on unleashing everything i can.. Ive got over 1000 dollars to put into this car after i buy it and i plan on using as much as i can to make it a STREET machine not a track monster.

i would have kept the V6 mustang...unless the camaro would have had a 350...youre at a disadvantage with with the 305. however, a SBC is the most easily modded engine in the free world.

you know, to the OP, i have to say that the attitude really is uncalled for. youre 17 and talking about how youre going to have a fast car at a young age...i too bought an older, slow V8 car (my white car is an 83 dodge) and i have less than 5 grand in the car, and im in the deep 12s, but i also had my dad to teach me things along the way, and i know what im doing. if you want to learn as you go, i might suggest getting rid of the chip on your shoulder. removing the emissions stuff is only going to do so much, as your car, like mine, came with 140 stock horsepower...when i got rid of the emissions computer and 2bbl carb/intake...the best that i was able to get out of the stock 318 (headers, exhaust, intake, carb)...with a mildly built 727 trans and a new rearend with 391 gears was low 15s. i had the option of building the stock engine, but i lucked into a 340, and my parts are oddly matched, but i make a decent amount of power.

a word of advice..take it or not, i dont care...

talk to people who ACTUALLY WORK ON THEIR OWN CARS, and base your mods from what those who ACTUALLY WORK ON, AND RACE their own cars, and youll learn tons more than "what so and so says". my current setup put my 3700lb car into the low 12s, and the guys on mopar forums who "know what they are talking about" insist that my setup wont get me out of the 13s...read and learn, and make your decisions carefully, since youre working on a budget.

oh, and dont take advice from someone who benefits from giving you advice.

xX98StallionXx Try our www.camaroforums.com (http://www.camaroforums.com/)
Our Admin over there loves Camaro's.

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there you go again. if people aren't in 100% support of you, you get pissy. enjoy your lunchbox. you went from an ugly stang to a hedious camaro. you should re-read your posts before calling ANYBODY snotty-nosed punks. ;)


I gotta agree with Nanaki. You're getting all pissy about what we're saying, but think about it. You had a decent V6 Mustang and then got a slow, ugly ass Camaro. Did you really expect us to be in favor of a Camaro, unless it's a late model LS1 or something?

Xemeth, No i dont expect you guys to like the Camaro kuz ur mustang fans.. ive seen the egos and opinions from both sides... its nasty lol... But I love Nanaki so much and want him in my bed.. Im not getting pissy kuz people didnt support me.. Im getting "pissy" kuz everyone started bad mouthing it from the get go.. I didnt ask people if they thought the car was ugly.. i was just letting everyone kno where i was headed.

I had a decent V6 yes, but it had its problems, like most cars... I loved my V6 and i will always love Mustangs but I want to move on to a project ive been dreaming of doing. Like i said i had looked at a 68 and 69 Mustang coupe but they sold before i could even get out to look at em.

To the mods who posted. Thanks for your advice guys, i appriciate the calm and level headed advice i am actually a member at camaro forums and found some guys who have modded 2nd gens that are in my area. I know that its not the best engine for power in the world but i changed my ways from power toperformance WITH power along the way.. i want it to perform to my wants/needs. I want it to look good (better than it does kuz now its ugly as snot i know but its original 77, no aftermarket parts as of yet.) Its got potential like i said and i am more than willing to do what it take to have it go faster, but im more interested in sound and appearance.. call me a ricer call me what you will but its becoming a classic if it isnt already considered one. I know the smog wont free up much but it will help flow etc im sure. I have a friend with a 77 z28 that had a 350 and a friend with a 79 with a 305 their my local help. the 77 350 friend put over 400 horses in his engine by himself and he wants to help me. Again i thank the mods for their advice and i will let you all know how it goes in the future.

Well Josh, hope you best of luck again, but here is a good bit of advice, and it's the best "ANYBODY" on here will every give you. STOP, where you're at, RIGHT NOW, do not drop a dime and I mean a dime more than you need to into this car to keep it runing. Why you ask? Simple, it's an old car, and old cars can wear down quickly when turned from yard token to daily driver. In other words, save up and buy something, anything, remotely new, that you can use as your real DD so that your Camaro can be your project car. Serriously, you do not drive a project car as yourone and onlyDD, it never works out well, trust me on this one. I'm doing the same thing, I've put all mods for Salena on hault until I can buy me a new DD, which will just so happen to more than likely be a 97 or new Camaro V6, sorry gus, the Camaro V6 is a little better on a few key things I'm looking at than the stang, sad, but true.

In any since, good luck again.

ORIGINAL: xX98StallionXx

Yes.. Bumblebee. Is that alright with you guys? I mean Its cool enough for you bad asses?

And Nanaki.. everytime you say somethign that stupid to me, i lose more and more respect for you.. I know you dont care because ur a godly mod and no one can touch you.. but hey, im out of here.. Its not that people arent in100% support of me its that people are being asses (especially you, the biggest ass of all) about it. But whatever. You guys enjoy your cars, enjoy your forums... Ill catch you all later.. maybe if infact for some wild reason this lady gets another offer better than mine and i dont get it and i end up getting a LT1 or LS1 Camaro or maybe even an Edge GT then ill be back.... but i wont be hanging around these forums.. the 6 section is a joke these days... anyway... enjoy like i said..


Aint that the truth.

You will be missed buddy.

ORIGINAL: xX98StallionXx





1977 Camaro LT!

Time to start Project:Stinger

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Lol that car is so ****in ugly.... I would be embarrassed to drive or be any where near that, and that's true talk take it how you want! I can't begin to imagine your reasoning behind this....

ORIGINAL: Top Gear

Lol that car is so ****in ugly.... I would be embarrassed to drive or be any where near that, and that's true talk take it how you want! I can't begin to imagine your reasoning behind this....



And you are?

Reguardless,Jeremy I hear ya bro. I was thinkin the same thing. Maybe a small Ford escort or something.. alil sporty but not hole in the pocket. I could do what you are doing and look for a V6 Camaro or an old 2.3L Fox (hopefully along the lines of a notchback).

Actually a Ford Probe would be a nice little edition sporty, and all around decent, however, I personally wouldn't buy anything older than 15 years unless it has killer miles and is in excellent condition, simply because of the fact that oldercars are so unpredictable as to what may go out next.

Oh, that's not ugly, the 1979 Thunderbird my dad is looking at buying as my temporary second car as well as his and my moms, that's butt ugly, that Camaro looks like a god send compared to that Thunderbird.

ORIGINAL: jthorn9

Well Josh, hope you best of luck again, but here is a good bit of advice, and it's the best "ANYBODY" on here will every give you. STOP, where you're at, RIGHT NOW, do not drop a dime and I mean a dime more than you need to into this car to keep it runing. Why you ask? Simple, it's an old car, and old cars can wear down quickly when turned from yard token to daily driver. In other words, save up and buy something, anything, remotely new, that you can use as your real DD so that your Camaro can be your project car. Serriously, you do not drive a project car as yourone and onlyDD, it never works out well, trust me on this one. I'm doing the same thing, I've put all mods for Salena on hault until I can buy me a new DD, which will just so happen to more than likely be a 97 or new Camaro V6, sorry gus, the Camaro V6 is a little better on a few key things I'm looking at than the stang, sad, but true.

In any since, good luck again.


he is right that is the best advice you are giong to get. i daily drove a 1966 mustang for 3 years, and i was always working on the car just to keep it running. getting a second car will save you a ton of headaches.

best of luck man. oh and other posters are correct about your attitude, you need to chill a bit, some people on here have very good advice to give and just because it didn't pat you on the back for buying (oh wait you haven't even bought this car yet) the car you want doesn't mean it isn't good advice. anyways good luck with the car you will need it.

ORIGINAL: laserred02

he is right that is the best advice you are giong to get. i daily drove a 1966 mustang for 3 years, and i was always working on the car just to keep it running. getting a second car will save you a ton of headaches.

best of luck man. oh and other posters are correct about your attitude, you need to chill a bit, some people on here have very good advice to give and just because it didn't pat you on the back for buying (oh wait you haven't even bought this car yet) the car you want doesn't mean it isn't good advice. anyways good luck with the car you will need it.



Yeah, I know Jeremys right. The thing is tho that this is a well kept engine and its a chevy.. not saying anything bad about ford engines, chevys just do last longer than most older fords.

As for calming down.. Yeah ive calmed down but im still pissed that people had to open their mouths with negative stuff... I mean understand its a big project and im taking a risk here.. but when i look back i want to say that i had the guts to take this on...

ORIGINAL: xX98StallionXx

ORIGINAL: laserred02

he is right that is the best advice you are giong to get. i daily drove a 1966 mustang for 3 years, and i was always working on the car just to keep it running. getting a second car will save you a ton of headaches.

best of luck man. oh and other posters are correct about your attitude, you need to chill a bit, some people on here have very good advice to give and just because it didn't pat you on the back for buying (oh wait you haven't even bought this car yet) the car you want doesn't mean it isn't good advice. anyways good luck with the car you will need it.



Yeah, I know Jeremys right. The thing is tho that this is a well kept engine and its a chevy.. not saying anything bad about ford engines, chevys just do last longer than most older fords.

As for calming down.. Yeah ive calmed down but im still pissed that people had to open their mouths with negative stuff... I mean understand its a big project and im taking a risk here.. but when i look back i want to say that i had the guts to take this on...


If you're gonna get pissed about people's opinions, then don't post on an online forum. Obviously the internet isn't for you...

sorry but i have to agree with xemeth

Good luck man! I hope that the car works out for you!

ORIGINAL: xX98StallionXx

ORIGINAL: laserred02

he is right that is the best advice you are giong to get. i daily drove a 1966 mustang for 3 years, and i was always working on the car just to keep it running. getting a second car will save you a ton of headaches.

best of luck man. oh and other posters are correct about your attitude, you need to chill a bit, some people on here have very good advice to give and just because it didn't pat you on the back for buying (oh wait you haven't even bought this car yet) the car you want doesn't mean it isn't good advice. anyways good luck with the car you will need it.



Yeah, I know Jeremys right. The thing is tho that this is a well kept engine and its a chevy.. not saying anything bad about ford engines, chevys just do last longer than most older fords.

As for calming down.. Yeah ive calmed down but im still pissed that people had to open their mouths with negative stuff... I mean understand its a big project and im taking a risk here.. but when i look back i want to say that i had the guts to take this on...


That's just it, it isn't the engine or tranny you really need to worry about, it's everything else. Granted, GM makes better trannies and engines than Ford, this is an all too true well know fact, however, GMs are very prone to electrical problems, especially their older cars, and are also very prone to rust, yet again, their older cars. So that's two things right there that you're going to have to worry about. The main things that will go out on you are the small things like break parts, a/c parts, external accessories, sending units, sensors, fuses, vacume lines, hoses, etc. the list goes on and on. Granted, and older car doesn't have as many electrical components and newer cars do, but they do still have a few, and if they go out, you're stuck.

Someone saw transformers, didn't they? lol.

who hasn't?

I havn't.:D

fag:D

DAMNMIT!!!![:@]

Lol. Yeah i work at the theatre, ive seen transformers 6 times now. I am looking at probes stealths... everything for under 1000 bucks haha.

Stallion are you serious? What good is $1,000 going to do on that car? You want to build it up, but just ask Jeremy - he has spent $15,000+ on his car in maintenance and modifications ... You better start finding other sources of income, because my money says that rustbucket won't last long as a DD. You had a perfectly good sixer, but people that live around you have "mommy and daddys V8s" and that makes you want your own? Seriously, try picking up a chick in that car. Yea, didn't think so. That car is god awefully ugly, and it's not because I "Hate Camaro's", it's because the car is painted doo-doo brown, rusty, and looks like its been through WW2 twice. I really hope you paid no more than $1,500 for that car ... You have all of these plans, but you need to realize that all of these plans cost MONEY. Jthorn helped me to realize this. Yes, I have $4500 in my checking account and my car could sell for $7k to $9k depending on who is trying to buy it, but why waste the money? My car runs perfectly fine, it looks 200x better than the car you now have, and it "gets me from A to B and to 60mph" or whatever you said. Seriously, have you not been paying attention to gas prices recently? What does that car get, 10? 11 mpg??? Very boneheaded move Stallion, especially if you plan on paying for your own college. I'll be around $40,000 in debt when I graduate ... And I'm going to a cheap university. I seriously wish you good luck in the future man, but you made an uninformed purchase because it "sounds good" and "has a V8" ... Even though it will require a lot of maintenance and a lot of dollars just to get it to look half decent, not to mention the fact that the car is slower than your sixer was.

Try not to get too pissed.

he's already made his decision, stop trying to change it for him. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. i think it's fugly, but it's not my decision.

02 stang, I dont appriciate that. I also dont need your life lessons, but appriciate the thought... Ive said it before ill say it again... Theres still a slim chance i dont get the car. if i do great if i dont great. I am still looking for a dingerfor a DD before i would turn this into a DD. Done right, i could restore this car and with the inflated prices on muscle cars i could get more out of it. Thats my plan.. I will only have it for a couple of years. Make it look/runnicer etc. Sell it and buy something like a 1998 LS2 Camaro or an Edge GT.

Lol thats gotta probably be the ugliest gen camaro that gm's ever produced.

I was gonna stay away from this thread, but i just cant. Why dont you just go straight for the 98 LS1*? You could find either the edge gt or LS1 for ~ $10k.. If you considering paying $5k for that car, just wait a little longer and get what you want right away. Finance theother $5k if you need to. Payments wouldnt be that high... Good luck on whatever.

paint it yellow
and get a little air freshner with a bee on it that says beeotch
then i think youll probably get laid with megan fox
not 100% on this but i saw transformers and it turned out pretty good for him

ORIGINAL: spoke2go1

paint it yellow
and get a little air freshner with a bee on it that says beeotch
then i think youll probably get laid with megan fox
not 100% on this but i saw transformers and it turned out pretty good for him

hahaha F*CKIN HELL YEA!
i havent read much of this thread but i was about to say paint that thing yellow!!! you can get the beeotch air fresoners online...i dont remember where but osmebody posted a link to one not long ago on another forum im on. the one from the movie sold for thousands. lol. thats my only advice though. other than that good luck w/ the car.

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this guy didnt complain about this car

ORIGINAL: xX98StallionXx

02 stang, I dont appriciate that. I also dont need your life lessons, but appriciate the thought... Ive said it before ill say it again... Theres still a slim chance i dont get the car. if i do great if i dont great. I am still looking for a dingerfor a DD before i would turn this into a DD. Done right, i could restore this car and with the inflated prices on muscle cars i could get more out of it. Thats my plan.. I will only have it for a couple of years. Make it look/runnicer etc. Sell it and buy something like a 1998 LS2 Camaro or an Edge GT.


You don't listen Stallion. I understand that you want a V8, but you're doing exactly what you did for your V6. You're pretty much saying you're settling on this car until you can get a 98 LS1 or something. I could honestly give a crap if you switch from Ford to Chevy, so if you think that's it, it's not. The fact of the matter is, you said you'd have $1,000 to work with and you plan on still modifying the car and buying a beater, correct? Well, what kind of car are you going to get in running condition for $1,000 that will not break down on you and require even more work than the Camaro? Why not wait another few years until you're out of school, THEN take on the project? You pretty much just traded a 1998 Mustang V6 for a 1977 Camaro V8? That's 21 years older. The power in that V8 is equal to the power in your V6. You will get raped by New Edge and S-197 V6's. Sure, it might sound good, but exactly what does that accomplish? You're giving up quite a few MPG's just for a car to "sound good" and "have a V8". In all honesty, I'm considering in 2 - 5 years whether I'm going to be buying a Civic Hybrid or a Dodge Challenger. The Hybrid is winning. Stallion, there is much more to life than a "good sounding V8", and you will unfortunately realize this the hard way. I really hope you do find a cheap Toyota or Honda and it works for you, but it will be in crap condition. Good luck to you, but $1,000 is going to get you nowhere. You would need $2,500 or so just for the paint that you want (Unless you meant the actual faded and rusted paint on bumblebee, I'm sure you can get that for $1,000 or so), and then you have to consider what exactly needs to be replaced in the car just to have it safe. Congrats though, you are the proud owner of a classic. I guess that's a good thing.

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ORIGINAL: xX98StallionXx

02 stang, I dont appriciate that. I also dont need your life lessons, but appriciate the thought... Ive said it before ill say it again... Theres still a slim chance i dont get the car. if i do great if i dont great. I am still looking for a dingerfor a DD before i would turn this into a DD. Done right, i could restore this car and with the inflated prices on muscle cars i could get more out of it. Thats my plan.. I will only have it for a couple of years. Make it look/runnicer etc. Sell it and buy something like a 1998 LS2 Camaro or an Edge GT.


You don't listen Stallion. I understand that you want a V8, but you're doing exactly what you did for your V6. You're pretty much saying you're settling on this car until you can get a 98 LS1 or something. I could honestly give a crap if you switch from Ford to Chevy, so if you think that's it, it's not. The fact of the matter is, you said you'd have $1,000 to work with and you plan on still modifying the car and buying a beater, correct? Well, what kind of car are you going to get in running condition for $1,000 that will not break down on you and require even more work than the Camaro? Why not wait another few years until you're out of school, THEN take on the project? You pretty much just traded a 1998 Mustang V6 for a 1977 Camaro V8? That's 21 years older. The power in that V8 is equal to the power in your V6. You will get raped by New Edge and S-197 V6's. Sure, it might sound good, but exactly what does that accomplish? You're giving up quite a few MPG's just for a car to "sound good" and "have a V8". In all honesty, I'm considering in 2 - 5 years whether I'm going to be buying a Civic Hybrid or a Dodge Challenger. The Hybrid is winning. Stallion, there is much more to life than a "good sounding V8", and you will unfortunately realize this the hard way. I really hope you do find a cheap Toyota or Honda and it works for you, but it will be in crap condition. Good luck to you, but $1,000 is going to get you nowhere. You would need $2,500 or so just for the paint that you want (Unless you meant the actual faded and rusted paint on bumblebee, I'm sure you can get that for $1,000 or so), and then you have to consider what exactly needs to be replaced in the car just to have it safe. Congrats though, you are the proud owner of a classic. I guess that's a good thing.




Well Josh, I didn't want to say it, but Tyler is 100% right, if you havn't bought the car yet, then don't, we can't stress this enough to you. I've been there and done that, I have buddies that's been there and done that, and the fact is, old cars DO NOT LAST. I'm lucky, and I mean dead lucky, that I have a good enough paying job, and my situation is decent enough that I can both go to school and have play money for my car, but only a hand full of people my age are that lucky. Serriously, you havn't given this as much thought as you should. Your main goal right now should be to have a car that runs and gets you from point A to point B, once you have that, then, and only then, do you start saving to get a project car, you don't get the project car then the DD later. That's where I screwed up with my 5.0. I should have never gotten rid of my old V6 Mustang. An example, my EGR sensor just went out, and after a month of head scratching I narrowed the problem down to my EGR, but didn't know how to check it, come to find out it was the sensor, not the EGR itself. Point is, I've been without wheels for a month now and have been relying solely on family to get me around. Trust me this sucks, and just to think, my car is in much better shape than any old classic you're gonna pick up.

Like I said, we're not trying to be mean, or hard on you, but your ambitions are too big for your current situation and encome. Your first goal should be to finish high school, second should be to finish college, third should be to get a great job with that degree, fouth should be to get a house, and last, but not least your last goal should be a nice car. Granted it's nice to have a project car if, and only "IF" you can afford it, but serriously, buy this car and you'll be sorry, very very sorry for doing so later on.

I've learned from my friends and my own mistakes, so heed my words on this. Remember the sign S*IT HAPPENS, well it does, and when it hits the fan, everything tends to go bad.

ok, i understand you all have valid points.. so i decided not to read this thread anymore... because its an uphill battle...as of now my dad is refusing to give me my money and im running out of time.. I cant afford a 98 ls1 or a edge because they cost 10k and i have 3.... so... yeah... i guess ill just see what happens come friday and then go from there.. Id like a fast car like a newer camaro or a notchback fox or edge gt... but ive always wanted a muscle car so... i dunno.. like i said we will see.. you all will be the first to know tho...

You are all making this decision so damn hard lol... ur saying no camaroforums saying yes.. but i cant tell whos the devil on my shoulder and whos the angel lol.

How much is the 'maro?

Well I'll say this much, even a fox body Mustang is a risk. I think you need to be looking more into long term reliability at this point, remember, you can always hit mom and dad up, or grandmaw and grandpaw up after you graduate for a V8.

well, its not like i cant afford the gas or the insurance, i did the math there. like u said, if the engine decides to crap out on me i guess i wont beable to afford that. But it is 2300 and honestly i had a friend of mine give me his opinion and he said it was a great deal for the mileage, year and cost. I am basically just stuck out in the wind for right now.. ill know more later i suppose...

i love this post :Dmake shure to keep us informed stallion

Yet again, that bud doesn't have direct knowledge with old cars on a tight budget now does he. Remember, how you wanted to mod your sixer but you decided against it because of cost? Well this is the same thing just a different situation. Instead of the cost of parts to hp output, you're looking at the cost of keeping the car in running condition. Sure it may have great miles "FOR IT'S AGE" however, what if you buy the car tomorrow and next week you notice a sever squeek forming when you turn then wheel, that's gonna have to be fixed, do you have the cash for that. What if in5 moths the heater starts to go out will you have the cash to fix that. What if you go to get in the car and all you get is a click, can you afford a new starter along with the time it takes to change it out. What about regular carb maintanence, know how to do that, can you afford the needed parts? What if a gasket blows? What if the breaks start to go out due to wear, or leakage, can you afford that.

Now maybe nothing may happen, maybe a few things will happen, but point is, something will eventually happen, and when one thing goes, it's just a matter of time before other things go with it, and it's that chain reaction that breaks the bank and kills moral. It is for this reason why I can not stress enough having a newer reliable car for commuting and then, later on when you can afford more than just the insurance and gas, should you get into a project car.

Lol your gonna make me take a long walk off a short cliff... Well you know what.. fine.. Ill just call her tell her some reason why i cant get it.. wait until im 18 find an edge orother GT or even a 4th gen fbody.. something more reliable i suppose... This is gonna be hard to explain to everyone who i told i was gonna get one... I had everything planned out.. I know if my friend can drive a 79 then i should have no problem with a 77, and his is in worse condition than the 77... more miles and more mods.. plus he makes the same amount of money as i do... but oh well.. back to the cutting block again.. Ill have to settle for a EFI engine and do small mods kuz i cant afford all the electrical ones.

I know a lot of people in High school that daily drive a 5.0

ORIGINAL: xX98StallionXx

Lol your gonna make me take a long walk off a short cliff... Well you know what.. fine.. Ill just call her tell her some reason why i cant get it.. wait until im 18 find an edge orother GT or even a 4th gen fbody.. something more reliable i suppose... This is gonna be hard to explain to everyone who i told i was gonna get one... I had everything planned out.. I know if my friend can drive a 79 then i should have no problem with a 77, and his is in worse condition than the 77... more miles and more mods.. plus he makes the same amount of money as i do... but oh well.. back to the cutting block again.. Ill have to settle for a EFI engine and do small mods kuz i cant afford all the electrical ones.


All you have to do is say you thought it over and you've decided that it wouldn't be an economical decision in the long run, nuff said right there. Now, quit looking at anything older than a 90, and that's even pushing it, and find something newer. Newer doesn't always mean better, but it does have a lot of benifits. Personally I'd try to get your mom and dadto help you buy a brand new car when you graduate, and just get something, semi new for the time being to hold you over for this year.

Now I kinda feel bad for ruining his Bumblebee hopes and dreams ... [&o]

Really Stallion, me and JT aren't trying to bust your balls, and we're not teaming up on you just because we hang out and know each other personally, we're trying to help you out from an economical standpoint. I honestly am considering a Hybrid Honda Civic in my future for gas price reasons. As much as it sucks, it's a very economical decision. I'm not saying you have to or should, just what I'm planning.

yeah 02, i knew you guys were, some of the other guys were just throwin punches for fun tho.. that set me off.. sorry i snapped at you.. im looking at at edges and 4th gen camaro/firebirds now.

ORIGINAL: xX98StallionXx

yeah 02, i knew you guys were, some of the other guys were just throwin punches for fun tho.. that set me off.. sorry i snapped at you.. im looking at at edges and 4th gen camaro/firebirds now.


Do what your budget allows. You don't have to be pinned to Mustangs / Camaro's / Firebirds ... There are plenty of good cars out there. Don't ask some people on this forum because they'll say go Mustang, don't ask the people on the Camaro forums because they'll say go Camaro ... Do what you think is right for you. Take on the project when you have more money. Don't worry about the kids with mommy and daddy's V8's, they'll get theirs when they are released into the world and fall face first to the ground. You'll have experience in your finances, and eventually a much nicer car I'm sure. Just play it smart bro.

you can get a fox in great shape with really decent miles for ~3k. did you check corral?

corral? I know i can afford a late model V8, just nothing super brand new or obviously super old

ORIGINAL: 02 Stang



I honestly am considering a Hybrid Honda Civic in my future for gas price reasons. As much as it sucks, it's a very economical decision.


why? civics are lame enough but then you make it a hybrid and your "FABULOUS!"

get a crotch rocket
faster than most cars
youll get like 60ish mpg if you drive like a normal person but if you haul ass and speed everywhere 45mpg
you cant beat that
and you wont be gay

ORIGINAL: spoke2go1

ORIGINAL: 02 Stang



I honestly am considering a Hybrid Honda Civic in my future for gas price reasons. As much as it sucks, it's a very economical decision.


why? civics are lame enough but then you make it a hybrid and your "FABULOUS!"

get a crotch rocket
faster than most cars
youll get like 60ish mpg if you drive like a normal person but if you haul ass and speed everywhere 45mpg
you cant beat that
and you wont be gay


how old are you?

old enough to know that hybrids are gay...

ORIGINAL: spoke2go1

old enough to know that hybrids are gay...


why because people want to save on gas, or help the environment, or both. it will be awesome when you grow up and have real expenses, like house, utilities, car, insurance, and all the other things that go with being an adult. a hybrid is a responsible decision and i think it's cool to hear people on a mustang forum talking about getting one. I am considering one myself, or at least trading down to a 5-speed four banger that gets 40 mpg on the highway.

02Stang a civic hybrid is a good choice. or most any other hybrid for that matter.

Jthorn, I am glad that you have beaten me to typing about all the things that go wrong with all cars, that is exactly 100% correct, I dd a 66 mustang and I know all about how the car runs good when you pick it up, but stuff breaks all the time. Like for example this car needed

-leaf springs
-carb
-fuel pump
-water pump
-fan
-radiator
-starter
-steering gearbox ($900)

and many many other electrical, body, and mechanical things over the 2 years I drove it. now the motor, transmission, and rear end never had a problem, they were beautiful, but hell everything else i think broke at some point. what really sucked is that the heater never completely turned off, try driving in the summer w/o a/c and bit of warm air wafting over your legs, which are pushing as hard as you can to stop with hydraulic brakes.

end rant.

Why the hell would you waste your money on a hybrid toyota when you could buy a VW diesel(jetta..golf) and get just as good mpg and diesel is cheaper, majority of the time. Not to mention alot more car. Plus you dont have to admit that you own a toyota:D

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3540844/

youd be better off with an eclipse or somthing

i mean a crotch rocket can be a responsible decision
theyre very affordable- you can go and buy a brand new kawasaki ninja 250 for $3000
70 mpg
and its a blast to ride
i mean theyre better alternatives that those goofy lookin hybrids
and then theres the hybrids smug emmisions
http://www.threesources.com/archives/1002_thaaannks.jpg

can you live with that on your conscience?

ORIGINAL: Verado

Why the hell would you waste your money on a hybrid toyota when you could buy a VW diesel(jetta..golf) and get just as good mpg and diesel is cheaper, majority of the time. Not to mention alot more car. Plus you dont have to admit that you own a toyota:D


i actually would like an american manufacturer to produce a small car with a diesel, and I don't want a toyota. i want an american car, and would only purchase such, my comments were in response to the poster who said "old enough to know hybrids are gay". I have no problem with hybrids or people who drive them, i still maintain it is a responsible decision. and in response to him again, a bike doesn't carry people or luggage like a car does, they are not comparable. also the article you posted is from 2004, gas prices have risen significantly since then, making hybrids all the more attractive.

I came in with some high expectations that fell pretty short — about 10-20 miles per gallon short.
Every chance I could, I’d look at the display screen that tracks mileage, pleased when it showed 70 mpg or no gasoline being used at all because it was running solely off the battery.
But over the entire 200 miles I drove the car, the average picture was not as pleasant and I never got close to the 51 mpg highway and 60 mpg city certified by the Environmental Protection Agency (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3540844/#).
Frustrated, I sought answers from Toyota and its Prius guru, Dave Hermance. As soon as I said that my commute and other city driving were short trips, Hermance interrupted. “That’s it right there, that’s the problem,” he said, explaining that mileage suffers during the first five minutes of a cold start because of the way the Prius and similar low-polluting cars curb emissions.
That would also explain that while my combined city/highway mileage was 42 mpg, I got just 31 mpg on my five-mile commute to work.
The mystery solved, I still felt some disappointment that I’d never see 60 mpg with my short commutes. Instead, as Hermance noted, “it’s an ideal car for folks who put on a lot of miles.”


ya know.. my moms toyota camry gets about the same gas mileage, it doesnt look goofy and it costs less!

just get an escape hybrid, theyre not as gay as a prius or a honda


*edit* heres some more goodies for all the prius owners out there

Battery replacement. Toyota warranties the battery powering the electric motor for eight years or 100,000 miles. Replacing that today would cost $3,500 but Toyota hopes the price will come down to $1,000. It also notes that the battery pack has been tested to 150,000 miles without degradation.
Display screen visibility. While it’s not required to operate the car, the display screen that shows mileage performance and radio/temperature controls can be very difficult to see in bright sun.
Traffic visibility. The front window frame is at more of an angle than some cars, creating a wider bar that can obstruct views. The rear window has a bar three-quarters of the way down, which also takes some getting used to.
Backseat vent. It’s not immediately noticeable, but a venton the backseat door frame plays an important role cooling the battery pack tucked under the luggage area. In fact, Toyota warns not to cover that vent because that could case the battery to overheat.

the only way a hybrid, or any car can get it's EPA ratings is in optimal driving conditions. like ~55mph on a flat road highway drive. then sure, you can get 50+mpg. you can also get the crazy estimated city miles too if it's crazy stop and go, like if you lived in DC, NY, LA or NoVA. but who the hell spends 60 miles in extreme stop & go conditions even in those areas.

there's hundred of articles supporting the stuff you just spouted, but there's also hundreds opposing it.

saying a car is "gay" because it's a hybrid is a childish thing to say anyway. i guess the 14 second, 255HP accord hybrid is gay too, even though it could hand you your ass.

again this is an article from 2004. the issues that you speak of have been addressed by toyota, and there are plenty of people who without driving aggressively get the epa rating or exceed it. hate on the prius for being a toyota, a japanese car, whatever but don't hate on it for gas mileage or practicality at 3+ dollars a gallon.

see cleanmpg.com

"saying a car is "gay" because it's a hybrid is a childish thing to say anyway. i guess the 14 second, 255HP accord hybrid is gay too, even though it could hand you your ass."

ya know everyone keeps saying that! i have a 13 year old car, it doesnt take much to beat it
but i doubt its getting good gas mileage doing a 1/4 mile in 14 seconds

i dunno, id rather get a regular 4 cyl than a hybrid
my friends eclipse get 250-300 miles on a tank of gas (which is good considering he hauls ass)
IMHO itd be better to stick with 4 bangers that get good gas mileage rather than running out to get a hybrid

Listen to someone who hasa 305 camaro and aV6 mustang, its not evenclose, my mustang DESTROYS the camaro, not even close.Obviously the camaro sounds badass w/ headers and flows, but its hard to heara car's exhaust when you are3 lengths in front of it........ i like the fox idea.........

Ooook sooo... 1st of all.. crotch rocket is by far the worst idea of them all, id trust a old camaro over a motorcycle anyday... id rather have the car break down then have me fall off and die... I drove a hybrid for about two weeks when a family friend needed someone to run errands for him while he was in europe... Thing may have sounded weak, but it handeled and run beautifully... had alot of horse too. It was a mercury mariner and it wasnt that bad. As far as the Fox if i can find a notchback i will get it because i like em. Im not a fan of the hatches or mid to early mustangs. I saw a 90 notch with a 373 stroker or something and it was beautiful. Now id really like to get a 4th gen Z28. But i wouldnt mind getting a edge GT and if it comes down to it a sn95 gt would be fine as well.

Spoke, what part of a crotch rocket is an economical decision? Yes, it would get solid gas mileage, but what happens when I have to tote around 3 or more people? What happens when I have luggage that I need to put somewhere? I don't understand how that would be a smart move at all. Honestly, I don't know what's wrong with the Civic hybrid ... http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-hybrid/ I think it looks good (other than those rims / caps, whatever they are), and it gets good gas mileage (51 mpg) for a good price ($22,600). That my friend, is a smart decision for someone leaving college being on his own. Buying a big V8 that eats gas like I eat Hooters hot wings is NOT a smart decision. The V8 can come in a few years after the Hybrid has done its work, and even then I'd probably keep it. Again, that Hybrid looks exactly like a regular Civic, and comes with all the goodies such as navigation. I'll take my Hybrid, you take your V6. We'll race, and we'll fill up the tank and see who gets more miles out of their car. Deal?

Never thought I would see the day that someone would be trying to talk someone into buying a Civic on a mustang forum.:(

ORIGINAL: Daytripper540

Never thought I would see the day that someone would be trying to talk someone into buying a Civic on a mustang forum.:(


Lmao, not trying to talk him into it, just saying that that is what I am considering, and defending why I am doing it. Thankfully, the wiser members know my reasoning behind it.

well i have answers to some of your questions
you need to carry 3 people? pick the hottest girl, the two others are either dudes or a fat chick
as for the luggage thing i think youd be **** outta luck...

but heres an idea
buy the crotch rocket and a car
use the crotch rocket when its short little trips that dont needs people to be hauled or stuff to be towed
then when you actually have to do somthing use the car

i mean if you think about it youd use the bike alot more
think about all the driving you do
now think about how many times there people in the car with you or your carrying a bunch of junk

the bikes gonna come in more

but anyway im tired of arguing my point hell by all means get a vespa, ive seen a gang of mexicans ride around on those [>:]

but screw the civic, support america
buy the escape or the mariner

ORIGINAL: spoke2go1

well i have answers to some of your questions
you need to carry 3 people? pick the hottest girl, the two others are either dudes or a fat chick
as for the luggage thing i think youd be **** outta luck...

but heres an idea
buy the crotch rocket and a car
use the crotch rocket when its short little trips that dont needs people to be hauled or stuff to be towed
then when you actually have to do somthing use the car

i mean if you think about it youd use the bike alot more
think about all the driving you do
now think about how many times there people in the car with you or your carrying a bunch of junk

the bikes gonna come in more

but anyway im tired of arguing my point hell by all means get a vespa, ive seen a gang of mexicans ride around on those [>:]

but screw the civic, support america
buy the escape or the mariner


How about I take your advice and buy the bike AND the Civic? Sorry guy, but go look them up. $22,000 for navigation + 51 mpg is good enough for me. That and the crotch rocket? Deal. :D

you need navigation? yeah... your a civic guy alright
its called a ford ranger and a bike
3.0 v6 when people or stuff need to be moved
bike when a fine piece of ass needs to be moved
thats what my friend does anyway

ORIGINAL: spoke2go1

you need navigation? yeah... your a civic guy alright
its called a ford ranger and a bike
3.0 v6 when people or stuff need to be moved
bike when a fine piece of ass needs to be moved
thats what my friend does anyway


Don't need navigation, but it definitely doesn't hurt the car in my eyes. Ford ranger and a bike? Sorry guy, I did the whole '88 Ranger thing as my first truck. Cool paint scheme ... Was 3 colors. Light blue, faded light blue, and rust. I'll never own another ranger in my life. The Civic will last longer than the ranger (Although that little truck was running deep into 2004), and will get MUCH better gas mileage, and also look much better IMO.

Civic > Ranger.

It's not like I'm going to be going out and buying a big wing, lowering it, putting a turbo, and a bunch of stickers ...... Although ...

http://a864.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/105/l_824b54723632085069ad42ebb942a62f.jpg

took me forever to get it uploaded right

but there you go, its a hybrid ricer

I've considered hybrids as well, but their added cost for repairs and what not has kept me away from them.

Im 17.. buying a crotch rocket for short trips and a car for long trips doesnt make sense. My trips are usually short anyway and I live in washington state.. its july and its rained like almost everyday. Im looking for edge GTs and 6s aswell as z28s and 6s (the later model camaro 6s make more power but the edges have more modding options in my opinion, look wise and performance wise... the camaros exhaust design is rediculous tho...)

hahaha. a bike in washington state i imagine would be a complete waste. i visited seattle at my old job for a week and it rained the entire time.

ORIGINAL: jthorn9

Ehhh.... not my cup of tea, but good luck, just be prepaired to drop more money into a car than you could of ever imagined, just don't say we didn't warn ya. Oh, BTW, you're gonna need new heads and a 4 barrel carb to make that baby fast by modern standards.


The 350 with a 4 barrel carb sounds amazing. I ran into my friend Ross with his old car, I dunno wtf it was but it had the 350 with a 4 barrel and it just sounds absolutely perfect.

Here we go, this is what it sounded like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZPycI9jxGs

I know we mostly dislike Chevy's here, but damn.

considering i live in GEORGIA a bike is the perfect vehicle
we dont get rain alot
its usually warm (maybe 3 or 4 months that its cold)
and red clay burnouts are the sh!t

Uh... Georgia has horrible weather dont they? ie.. Hurricanes...

Ok so ive narrowed my search down to a 98 or new V6 Camaro or Firebird or Edge V6... Now that i have a job (where as when i had my mustang i didnt have a set job just a buncha odd jobs) I can mod it.

hurricanes? florida usually takes em, by the time they get to us we get a little rain, maybe some wind
nothing too serious

id go with the edge lol
all those dumbass ford edge commericals keep coming up on tv
the edge is never dull
the edge won a quiet test
the edge needs to shut the hell up

i ment edge mustang.. but ok... Ive got a friend who lived in Peachtree Georgia and he said that when it was hurricane season they had alil bit more than just some rain and wind.. and he came from washington where it rains thru july... [:@]

im more northwest into georgia
bout 25-35 minutes from the A

Woodstock FTMFW

ORIGINAL: jthorn9

I've considered hybrids as well, but their added cost for repairs and what not has kept me away from them.


Hybrids are a pain in the ass to work on. I'm so glad I work for GM and not Toyota. No hybrids for me, especially at a Cadillac and GMC dealer. Nothing there gets better than 19mpg, lol.

Oh, you work for GM? Thats actually pretty good, so can you tell me alil about the 4th genLT1 Camaros? Their the ones im interested in right now, kuz i can afford the asking price initially on most with substantial amount of miles but nothing too bad. i found a 95 Z28 with about 85K for 4300 and its in great shape.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/car/379066790.html

lol try pickin up chicks in a hybrid.



nottttt

yeah... been there.. for two weeks.. try pick up chicks in one with giant orange leaves on the side... (business vehicle)

That Camaro looks like a pretty decent deal. Much better than the '77 you found.

And picking up chicks in a Hybrid Civic is not that bad. I know plenty of people with regular Civics and they get laid just as much ... So I'm sure in a Hybrid it would be ok too. Oh my God it wa a great night.

oh come on! did any of you even look at the hybrid ricer i made? i worked so hard on it
took me like 10 minutes to do in paint

nobody responded to it because it wasn't funny. it's only been done thousands of times

I agree with nanaki... If i were to get a honda (Youd have to force me to get one) Id want a newer prelude... I like the Nissans 240s from 93.. kinda remind me of notchback foxes. Other than that i dont think id want any other type of imports..

damn... i havnt seen one...