man, you know a thread is dumb when 47magic and I are both fighting on the same side! p.s. should the people who bought 69 COPO Camaros, and the ls1 f-bodies sue because Chevy sandbagged the hp numbers? You know, they weren't expecting THAT much power and now they're ruined for any other car, etc? jeez... sorry...I'm just edgy today cause my gear install got put off till tomorrow...but I thought everyone on this forum knew that bhp was advertised in commercials, owner's manuals and sales brochures, and rwhp was that number -minus approx 15%...
MTAS That formula is from the 70s, and many improvements have come along which decrease the hp needed to power a trans or a rear end.
rmays06 So you think it's ok for a seller to say they have something and not really have it? A dozen eggs in a carton should be 12 not 11. And just because they say 12 on the carton , sometimes you have to open it and see 12. Yes I believe if Ford says there is 300 flywheel horse power then there should be some documentation that says this and verification for what they say. The US government office of Weights and measures should buy a car from the lot and pull the motor and put it on a dyno. If it's 300 hp, tell the world, if it's 280 hp tell the world and make ford fix them all. If Ford puts 300 hp in there engines then that’s great , but if its less, then they should be exact or use the word "about" in front of 300. I don't think that is to much to ask, to get what they say is there and what you pay for.
Ford does have a 300hp engine! They don't advertise 300bhp. So guess what, you are getting what you pay for. Stock Mustangs usually dyno between 260 and 265bhp. So when you factor in the drivetrain losses, you have a 300hp engine! I believe they did fix a problem when they uped the HP in the 4.6 in one of the SN95 model years, when they found out the 260hp they were advertising was incorrect and they did fix it in all the cars that were affected.
Let me guess...you'd like McDonalds to measure the temperature on each pot of coffee it makes and have the real temperature posted on every cup of coffee they sell? That way someone won't turn around and say, "Well it says Caution Hot, but it doesn't say how hot. Since I wasn't aware of the exact temperature of the coffee, I suffered 2nd degree burns on my tongue and throat when I took a big gulp! So, I think I will see if I can sue them."
Someone is reaching to try and make a quick buck!
< Message edited by briboiblu07 -- 7/22/2007 11:17:12 AM >
THERE IS NOT ONE CAR in the marketplace that will dyno the exact HP amount claimed by the manufacturer. Those are approximate values from test done on a bench dyno (also known as a brake dyno)... there will always be a loss of power through the drivetrain.
You are an idiot and we don't need people like you coming up with bogus lawsuits to make a quick buck or compensate for your insecurities and shortcomings by suing Ford.
Welcome to America buddy, just about EVERYTHING that's advertised nowadays is manipulated that way.
MTAS That formula is from the 70s, and many improvements have come along which decrease the hp needed to power a trans or a rear end.
rmays06 So you think it's ok for a seller to say they have something and not really have it? A dozen eggs in a carton should be 12 not 11. And just because they say 12 on the carton , sometimes you have to open it and see 12. Yes I believe if Ford says there is 300 flywheel horse power then there should be some documentation that says this and verification for what they say. The US government office of Weights and measures should buy a car from the lot and pull the motor and put it on a dyno. If it's 300 hp, tell the world, if it's 280 hp tell the world and make ford fix them all. If Ford puts 300 hp in there engines then that’s great , but if its less, then they should be exact or use the word "about" in front of 300. I don't think that is to much to ask, to get what they say is there and what you pay for.
Ford does have a 300hp engine! They don't advertise 300bhp. So guess what, you are getting what you pay for. Stock Mustangs usually dyno between 260 and 265bhp. So when you factor in the drivetrain losses, you have a 300hp engine! I believe they did fix a problem when they uped the HP in the 4.6 in one of the SN95 model years, when they found out the 260hp they were advertising was incorrect and they did fix it in all the cars that were affected.
Let me guess...you'd like McDonalds to measure the temperature on each pot of coffee it makes and have the real temperature posted on every cup of coffee they sell? That way someone won't turn around and say, "Well it says Caution Hot, but it doesn't say how hot. Since I wasn't aware of the exact temperature of the coffee, I suffered 2nd degree burns on my tongue and throat when I took a big gulp! So, I think I will see if I can sue them."
Someone is reaching to try and make a quick buck!
1. yes ford did that with the early (99 I think)new edge cobras, they recalled them all and hurled a bunch of performance parts and maybe a reflash to bring them up to advertised hp.
MTAS That formula is from the 70s, and many improvements have come along which decrease the hp needed to power a trans or a rear end.
rmays06 So you think it's ok for a seller to say they have something and not really have it? A dozen eggs in a carton should be 12 not 11. And just because they say 12 on the carton , sometimes you have to open it and see 12. Yes I believe if Ford says there is 300 flywheel horse power then there should be some documentation that says this and verification for what they say. The US government office of Weights and measures should buy a car from the lot and pull the motor and put it on a dyno. If it's 300 hp, tell the world, if it's 280 hp tell the world and make ford fix them all. If Ford puts 300 hp in there engines then that’s great , but if its less, then they should be exact or use the word "about" in front of 300. I don't think that is to much to ask, to get what they say is there and what you pay for.
Ford does have a 300hp engine! They don't advertise 300bhp. So guess what, you are getting what you pay for. Stock Mustangs usually dyno between 260 and 265bhp. So when you factor in the drivetrain losses, you have a 300hp engine! I believe they did fix a problem when they uped the HP in the 4.6 in one of the SN95 model years, when they found out the 260hp they were advertising was incorrect and they did fix it in all the cars that were affected.
Let me guess...you'd like McDonalds to measure the temperature on each pot of coffee it makes and have the real temperature posted on every cup of coffee they sell? That way someone won't turn around and say, "Well it says Caution Hot, but it doesn't say how hot. Since I wasn't aware of the exact temperature of the coffee, I suffered 2nd degree burns on my tongue and throat when I took a big gulp! So, I think I will see if I can sue them."
Someone is reaching to try and make a quick buck!
1. yes ford did that with the early (99 I think)new edge cobras, they recalled them all and hurled a bunch of performance parts and maybe a reflash to bring them up to advertised hp.
Suing ford 06GT4RAD Dick That 3 rd grade reading comprehension class was a waste, wasn't it. If you think this thread is a freaking joke , they why are you contributing to it? I didn't say anything about filling our court system with more frivolous lawsuits , I said a Class action lawsuit, that would be ONE (1)
briboiblu07 So you say ford has a 300 hp engine, and ford says it, but wear is the proof. You guys just go blindly off into whatever land it is you go, Da, Da, ta Da, Never stopping to think, Hay, If they say it's 300 maybe someone should check, if it is, yea, if it's not then don't say it is, or maybe that concept , of getting what you pay for means little.
pirrimarin Now up until YOU started calling names this has just been a difference of opinion. You are an idiot and FU . "Welcome to America buddy, just about EVERYTHING that's advertised nowadays is manipulated that way. " what a stupid statement. you just made my argument and your to dumb to even know it.
s197richie What you stated was my point . and Ford already has done it in the past. Like I said 2 or 3 times now, If there hp claim is correct, then tell the world, and if it's not also tell the world and then fix it, just like they did the old cobras.
And to all. I have no desire to make any money whatsoever , I wouldn't take it if offered, The point of the whole thing was holding ford accountable for it's hp claims by an independent agency. if they are true, then what’s the harm in confirming?
I had a 99 cobra that had the recall. Ford extuded the intake, and changed the exhaust to get the hp up to the advertised 320 hp. The whole contoversy was that the cobra didn't meet the advertised flywheel numbers when a certain amount of motors were pulled and checked on a dyno.
Yeah, let's make the goverment do more so our taxes will increase. Forget the fact that you, and everyone else, knows exactly how horsepower ratings work, or the fact you can look it up or just ask easily. Why do you want higher taxes? Seriously?
Are you bored and need a new hobby? I thought taking care of your car should be enough....
Suing ford 06GT4RAD Dick That 3 rd grade reading comprehension class was a waste, wasn't it. If you think this thread is a freaking joke , they why are you contributing to it? I didn't say anything about filling our court system with more frivolous lawsuits , I said a Class action lawsuit, that would be ONE (1)
briboiblu07 So you say ford has a 300 hp engine, and ford says it, but wear is the proof. You guys just go blindly off into whatever land it is you go, Da, Da, ta Da, Never stopping to think, Hay, If they say it's 300 maybe someone should check, if it is, yea, if it's not then don't say it is, or maybe that concept , of getting what you pay for means little.
pirrimarin Now up until YOU started calling names this has just been a difference of opinion. You are an idiot and FU . "Welcome to America buddy, just about EVERYTHING that's advertised nowadays is manipulated that way. " what a stupid statement. you just made my argument and your to dumb to even know it.
s197richie What you stated was my point . and Ford already has done it in the past. Like I said 2 or 3 times now, If there hp claim is correct, then tell the world, and if it's not also tell the world and then fix it, just like they did the old cobras.
And to all. I have no desire to make any money whatsoever , I wouldn't take it if offered, The point of the whole thing was holding ford accountable for it's hp claims by an independent agency. if they are true, then what’s the harm in confirming?
Grammar... learn some, buddy.
Your = denotes possesion of something i.e. "Your car does not have 300hp"
You're = Abbreviation of you and are. i.e. "You're driving a car that doesn't have 300hp"
You also confused "to" with "too".
You have no argument, and your thread is a waste of bandwith.
Suing ford 06GT4RAD Dick That 3 rd grade reading comprehension class was a waste, wasn't it. If you think this thread is a freaking joke , they why are you contributing to it? I didn't say anything about filling our court system with more frivolous lawsuits , I said a Class action lawsuit, that would be ONE (1)
briboiblu07 So you say ford has a 300 hp engine, and ford says it, but wear is the proof. You guys just go blindly off into whatever land it is you go, Da, Da, ta Da, Never stopping to think, Hay, If they say it's 300 maybe someone should check, if it is, yea, if it's not then don't say it is, or maybe that concept , of getting what you pay for means little.
pirrimarin Now up until YOU started calling names this has just been a difference of opinion. You are an idiot and FU . "Welcome to America buddy, just about EVERYTHING that's advertised nowadays is manipulated that way. " what a stupid statement. you just made my argument and your to dumb to even know it.
s197richie What you stated was my point . and Ford already has done it in the past. Like I said 2 or 3 times now, If there hp claim is correct, then tell the world, and if it's not also tell the world and then fix it, just like they did the old cobras.
And to all. I have no desire to make any money whatsoever , I wouldn't take it if offered, The point of the whole thing was holding ford accountable for it's hp claims by an independent agency. if they are true, then what’s the harm in confirming?
Okay, the 99 cobra recall happenned because the cars really weren't putting out the advertised BHP, or RWHP + calulcated drivetrain loss. That's not the case with these cars...and even if Ford was way off, how many mustangs on this forum HAVEN'T been dialed up, or at least have plans to dial them up? Anyone on this forum who says they're leaving it stock, period is either lying to themselves or have willpower that I dare not dream of. And one more thing, since the majority of these cars are made fast with gears and suspension upgrades (besides the big ballers out there with FI or cams+heads) and maybe a total of 50 hp worth of bolt ons (CAI/tune/UDPs etc), why waste time talking about hp?
Yes I know there is a difference between flywheel and rear wheel. But no where does it say flywheel hp rated. There isn't a easy way to check flywheel hp. But even if that is the case , at 260 rear wheel hp on a dyno, I doubt that the trans and rear end use 40 hp. Especially on a stick. Horse power ratings http://www.hardtail.com/techtips/hpexplained.html
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They also never advertise rwhp either. Are you going to file a lawsuit against the companies that claim 10hp with U/D pulleys and when you dyno it you only get 2?
ya lets make some more money for those lawers. then we will end up paying more for our cars over a stupid law suit. lawnmower companys do not rate there motors under five horsepower any more because of a stupid law suit like this. they now use cc's. people are just sue happy these days.
ya lets make some more money for those lawers. then we will end up paying more for our cars over a stupid law suit. lawnmower companys do not rate there motors under five horsepower any more because of a stupid law suit like this. they now use cc's. people are just sue happy these days.
Honestly if someone offended you on the net you could probably file a lawsuit on them. lol this world is gonna fuc|< itself over one day.
Suing ford 06GT4RAD Dick That 3 rd grade reading comprehension class was a waste, wasn't it. If you think this thread is a freaking joke , they why are you contributing to it? I didn't say anything about filling our court system with more frivolous lawsuits , I said a Class action lawsuit, that would be ONE (1)
briboiblu07 So you say ford has a 300 hp engine, and ford says it, but wear is the proof. You guys just go blindly off into whatever land it is you go, Da, Da, ta Da, Never stopping to think, Hay, If they say it's 300 maybe someone should check, if it is, yea, if it's not then don't say it is, or maybe that concept , of getting what you pay for means little.
pirrimarin Now up until YOU started calling names this has just been a difference of opinion. You are an idiot and FU . "Welcome to America buddy, just about EVERYTHING that's advertised nowadays is manipulated that way. " what a stupid statement. you just made my argument and your to dumb to even know it.
s197richie What you stated was my point . and Ford already has done it in the past. Like I said 2 or 3 times now, If there hp claim is correct, then tell the world, and if it's not also tell the world and then fix it, just like they did the old cobras.
And to all. I have no desire to make any money whatsoever , I wouldn't take it if offered, The point of the whole thing was holding ford accountable for it's hp claims by an independent agency. if they are true, then what’s the harm in confirming?
Yeah dude, I have had a baseline dyno done on my car. It put 265hp to the wheels....so guess what, I have a 300hp engine in my car after drivetrain loss is figured in! I know quite a few other people with s197s and they were all within 260 to 265hp. Lets see..this model has been out for about 3 years now, you think if something was wrong it would of been brought to our attention in the news by an angry consumer??? It didn't take long for them to realize it, issue a recall, and correct it at their cost in the past. Why wouldn't they do it now.
pirrimarin Fu again DA. My knife means I will cut your name in to my 10 gage says I'll blow your Fen head off. come see me. stop replying if you don't like the thread, dip Sheeeet And I'm not your buddy either, by the way. = KMA 2-to-too,two
s197richie You said, " That's not the case with these cars." just how do you know that? maybe because Ford said so? But then Ford said the Cobra had 320 hp also. Huuummm. My car is stock. except for wheels. I'm not asking for the world. Like I said. If the numbers are correct , then whats the harm in checking? If you tell me there are a dozen eggs in the carton and I want to look, then the only reason you would object would be if there actually 11 instead of 12. Right?
briboiblu07 paranoid? I think not, I just asked a question about ford hp claim. every one here made it into some big deal.
< Message edited by ZZmustang -- 7/22/2007 1:36:22 PM >
I had a 99 cobra that had the recall. Ford extuded the intake, and changed the exhaust to get the hp up to the advertised 320 hp. The whole contoversy was that the cobra didn't meet the advertised flywheel numbers when a certain amount of motors were pulled and checked on a dyno.
that was on my mind too
the infamous cobra that didnt make full horsepower
ford only did the recall beacuse everyone started complaining, and then didnt make a cobra for 2002 ( was it ?)
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