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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/2/2007 9:10:37 PM   
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i gotta get a few things off my chest here.

there has been 1, count em. 1 production based v6 mustang into the 9s.  there have only been a few 10 second ones. (rygen being one of them) and only 1 of those on the stock block (10.99 with a 3.8 @ 17psi)

a gt can handle more than 450rwhp.  there were people pushing 600rwhp + on the stock block, and i believe one guy that went 700rwhp or more.  a gt can do 500rwhp on a good tune no problem.  some guys on modfords have over 1 year, and 20k miles on 500rwhp+ on the stock motor.

saying the v6 can go to 450hp safely is a push too.  sure im doing it, and buckman did it.  his motor popped after only a few runs down the drag strip, and mine could go any day, who knows?  i think 300-350 is "safe" (flywheel hp) for the v6.  anything more than that, it doesnt take much.  look at rygen, gas additive in the tank, kaboom. 

do i think u can make a v6 as fast as a gt for the money difference? sure  and itll be unique.

could i have gotten a gt? of course, would i pay dealer markup, not a chance.  the 6 was fast when i bought it, and its rediculous now.

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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 11:57:50 AM   
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i gotta get a few things off my chest here.

there has been 1, count em. 1 production based v6 mustang into the 9s.  there have only been a few 10 second ones. (rygen being one of them) and only 1 of those on the stock block (10.99 with a 3.8 @ 17psi)

a gt can handle more than 450rwhp.  there were people pushing 600rwhp + on the stock block, and i believe one guy that went 700rwhp or more.  a gt can do 500rwhp on a good tune no problem.  some guys on modfords have over 1 year, and 20k miles on 500rwhp+ on the stock motor.

saying the v6 can go to 450hp safely is a push too.  sure im doing it, and buckman did it.  his motor popped after only a few runs down the drag strip, and mine could go any day, who knows?  i think 300-350 is "safe" (flywheel hp) for the v6.  anything more than that, it doesnt take much.  look at rygen, gas additive in the tank, kaboom. 

do i think u can make a v6 as fast as a gt for the money difference? sure  and itll be unique.

could i have gotten a gt? of course, would i pay dealer markup, not a chance.  the 6 was fast when i bought it, and its rediculous now.


i thought the php car was still on the stock block...?


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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 12:05:20 PM   
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It is, though its a striped down track car.    Its not a daily driver like our cars.    Plus its on slicks.  Here is a post I put up after talking to Paul on the phone after it went 10's.   The car is for sale.   It has the new head unit from Vortech, and notice how tall a gear he is running.  At that power level, with that tall a gear and trap speed, the motor's got to be spinning past 6500, I doubt as a daily driver it would last long.  

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Ok, talked to Paul, great guy. I've talked to them many times, they are a cool bunch of guys. Heres the skinny (some changes from the last time I spoke to him):
  • Stock Block
  • New Vortech SC (will be available April 15th)
  • New custom race transmission (proshift 5 speed)
  • Zex Nitrous @ 75 shot
  • 16lbs of boost
  • 457 RWHP
  • 440 RWTQ
  • On a dynojet
  • Drag shock
  • LCA
  • UCA
  • Ford Racing Racing
  • Drive Shaft
  • PHP Pulley
  • JBA Shorties, H pipe and duals
  • 60lb injectors
  • Dual fuel pumps
  • Axle brace
  • K member and TQ limiters
  • Mosler Axles
  • Eaton Posi
  • 4.56 gears
  • and a good bit more supporting mods

Seats removed and panels like last year, running slicks and skinnies, AC removal, radiator delete kit/support, etc.



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Best 1/8: 6.966@98.38, 1.56 60ft w/4.0 V6 17lbs 75 shot
Best 1/8: 7.55, 1.690 60ft w/5.4 3V 8.5lbs
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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 12:14:31 PM   
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It is, though its a striped down track car.    Its not a daily driver like our cars.    Plus its on slicks.  Here is a post I put up after talking to Paul on the phone after it went 10's.   The car is for sale.   It has the new head unit from Vortech, and notice how tall a gear he is running.  At that power level, with that tall a gear and trap speed, the motor's got to be spinning past 6500, I doubt as a daily driver it would last long.  

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Original=rygen
Ok, talked to Paul, great guy. I've talked to them many times, they are a cool bunch of guys. Heres the skinny (some changes from the last time I spoke to him):
  • Stock Block
  • New Vortech SC (will be available April 15th)
  • New custom race transmission (proshift 5 speed)
  • Zex Nitrous @ 75 shot
  • 16lbs of boost
  • 457 RWHP
  • 440 RWTQ
  • On a dynojet
  • Drag shock
  • LCA
  • UCA
  • Ford Racing Racing
  • Drive Shaft
  • PHP Pulley
  • JBA Shorties, H pipe and duals
  • 60lb injectors
  • Dual fuel pumps
  • Axle brace
  • K member and TQ limiters
  • Mosler Axles
  • Eaton Posi
  • 4.56 gears
  • and a good bit more supporting mods

Seats removed and panels like last year, running slicks and skinnies, AC removal, radiator delete kit/support, etc.




oh ok so we are only talking street cars.  I can't imagine 4.56's, that'd be horrible for daily driving lol.


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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 12:32:13 PM   
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Now that it has been established that the V-6s are staying, does anyone have recommendations for significant HP gains apart from supercharging?  A few horses here and there would be nice.  It would be cool to surprise a few of the GT owners that I know.


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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 6:42:35 PM   
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You're not going to suprise a GT owner with bolt ons.... but if you have not done anything yet, get a CAI and tune and a new muffler.  These two items really change the car for the better.  Much better.  I recommend VMP tuning.

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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 7:26:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 8cd03gro

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ORIGINAL: fazm

i gotta get a few things off my chest here.

there has been 1, count em. 1 production based v6 mustang into the 9s.  there have only been a few 10 second ones. (rygen being one of them) and only 1 of those on the stock block (10.99 with a 3.8 @ 17psi)

a gt can handle more than 450rwhp.  there were people pushing 600rwhp + on the stock block, and i believe one guy that went 700rwhp or more.  a gt can do 500rwhp on a good tune no problem.  some guys on modfords have over 1 year, and 20k miles on 500rwhp+ on the stock motor.

saying the v6 can go to 450hp safely is a push too.  sure im doing it, and buckman did it.  his motor popped after only a few runs down the drag strip, and mine could go any day, who knows?  i think 300-350 is "safe" (flywheel hp) for the v6.  anything more than that, it doesnt take much.  look at rygen, gas additive in the tank, kaboom. 

do i think u can make a v6 as fast as a gt for the money difference? sure  and itll be unique.

could i have gotten a gt? of course, would i pay dealer markup, not a chance.  the 6 was fast when i bought it, and its rediculous now.


i thought the php car was still on the stock block...?



you're right, but i left it out because its a gutted track car.  a/c completely removed, 4.56 rear gears, gutted interior, only drivers seat, etc.  it is trailored to each event.

ive seen a 9 second civic, but it didnt drive to the track, so its a 9 second drag car to me.

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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 8:17:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bushido

Now that it has been established that the V-6s are staying, does anyone have recommendations for significant HP gains apart from supercharging?  A few horses here and there would be nice.  It would be cool to surprise a few of the GT owners that I know.


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Mean looking car ya got there.

Your only real bet to run with the GT's without some sort of forced induction would be to go with a nitrous setup (preferably along with a decent intake and tuning).

My own preference is the X-Charger. 300 or so ponies at the wheels (which is all I really want/need in a street car). With the X, I see zero attraction in trading more or less laterally for a GT.

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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 8:41:56 PM   
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Just remember Torch, the XCharger is MUCH less reliable than the Vortech.... so says some Vortech owners in the know.

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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 8:59:45 PM   
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get over it man.  everything gets turned into an X vs (insert other f/i here) thread when you post in it.

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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 9:12:16 PM   
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Ya precisely.  That's what every thread I post in is about.  Duh.....

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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 9:20:46 PM   
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i gotta say i love the six cylinder, and im like this guy im stuck between paxton v.s. x charger, so yea im interest in what yall have to say


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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 9:22:28 PM   
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What's your goal for your car?  Track?  Mostly street?  Low boost for reliablility?  High boost for max power?

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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 9:28:35 PM   
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TOURQE!!! lol, i dont care how fast it can go i just want to get there quick

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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 9:30:00 PM   
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#'s wise what are you goals.

quarter et's
cars you want to beat
dyno numbers


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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 9:33:50 PM   
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gsx eclipse for one, and my friend has a 72 road runner with a 383, i dont know i want more than a gt, i dont care bout pure horse power, about 350 if its possible

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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 9:42:05 PM   
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If you want 350 at the rear wheels, you'll have to get a centri or turbo.  XCharger will get you 250-300 with very high torque at low boost. 

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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 9:42:39 PM   
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flywheel or wheel horsepower?
an xcharger will get you to about 290rwhp,  which is about 335-340 flywheel horsepower.
a vortech/procharger will get you to around 320rwhp which is like 370ish flywheel horsepower
a turbo will get you around 380rwhp or about 425 flywheel horsepower.

torque output will vary on each unit. 
the X will be around 300rwtq from about 2400rpm until 4500-5000rpm
a centri will make usually about the same torque as it does power.
the turbo on 10psi will net you around 410-425rwtq

all these assuming about 10psi of boost.

a gsx should be cake with just bolt ons, unless ur talkin about a modded to heavily modded gsx.


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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 9:47:49 PM   
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actually i think the xcharger might make like 310-320rwtq on 10psi, im not sure

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RE: 4.0 Engine and the possibilities... - 8/3/2007 9:58:40 PM   
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so turbo would be my best bet? if so can someone give me good site? by the was i like your mustang

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