Team MF Member #5002 Posts: 5068
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Ok.. I have pretty much figured out that I am doing a straight axle... 1200-1400 to install, plus I figure I can sell my IRS for a few hundred... but I am doing 1 more power adder and i'll be done with it. I had my sights set on a 100 shot and was going to leave it alone after that... however.... I have been toying around with the 2.6KB again....... which brand new is around 3600 w/ a flip chip or 3300 without the flip chip... which really isn't bad and I could run close to 700/700 with a decent tune on modest boost.. so for the KB it would probably cost me around $4000-$4100 tuned, installed and out the door... with new injectors also. THen I could sell my stage 3 port for around 600... costing me around 3400 in the end, if i don't find a used one for cheaper....
Or, I could buy a 100 shot nitrous kit w/warmer, switch etc. (800-1000), installed for a couple hundred, tuned for another few hundred + flip chip - figuring around 2,000 for everything. (This type things I wouldn't do myself) then get back a note or 2 for my xcal2... figure around 1700-1800 and run 600-620rwhp/dunno how much torque...
my first question is this... flip chips on a non nitrous car that will be basically running a race tune in any weather except torrential rain, I dont think it's worth it... what do you guys think? I already have my Xcal2 which I could use....
My second question is.. Do I really need all that KB power?? For the guys out there that have had to make this decisions... what helped you in making it? I won't be doing either of these things for a lil bit now... but tryin to get all my ducks in a row now so to speak...
What do you guys think? And please, give me actual opinions... not the "GET THE NITROUS!" or "GO KB MAN!"... I want to hear actual thoughts and reasons why. This is a decision I have been tearing my hair out for, lol...
i would highly look into a whipple over a kb. my buddy just put a whipple on his 03 and it is so nice. he is pushing 17psi and when he gets meth put on he will be at 25psi. whipples are a lil bit cheaper than kb and i think look 10000x better than that shoebox. but im just telling you his experience and how it turned out. all i can say is 2nd gear makes you feel like your in a airplane ready to take off.
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See I was thinking whipple when I first got my Cobra, but 3 big tuners in my area, all that sell whipple and KB... said to go KB because of the casting with the whipples... they all agreed for the same reasons that KB's were just made better...Besides, I don't need the 3.4 Whipple and the 2.3 Whipple doesnt perform nearly as well as the 2.6H KB... from what i've seen. When there's a difference of $200.00 for the blower...
Ok your definately not going to make 700/700 on modest boost with the KB 2.6. And as far as getting the KB or nitrous get the KB. Alot easier on the motor and its there all the time. You could get a nitrous kit install cheaper than what you posted. Alot of ppl are going with the dynotune dry nitrous kits which are $280. Get it tuned. Keep your sct xcal tuner. Either way I would keep your xcal and get the car dyno tuned. Sambandit has a 302 stroker with the 2.8 KB and he didnt even make those numbers on 19psi.
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Team MF Member #5002 Posts: 5068
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Ya know i've noticed a lot of people with 2.6 KB Cobras either run low 600's on high 600s to the wheel.. I have known a few of them locally that do with minimal mods... I might just pony up and get the 2.8H, or maybe i will get a 2.3 whipple - should be able to get them cheap with the new 3.4L out now... i dunno... but there's just something about nitrous that makes it more fun, lol... my goal is over 600+, but i want the most for my money of course.. so we'll see....
Btw.. I posted the amounts based on the things I would want with the setups... I have specific things in mind and specific prices for somethings... That's all....
Your already good fuel wise, now you just need to decide what you want to do. Nitrous is cheaper and definately would be fun. Theres a guy on svt thats got a ported eaton spray car and not much can stick with it. Hes using a 150 shot. Nitrous is no joke. The killer setup would be twin screw+nitrous:) Its all about whats in your budget. I prob would have got some nitrous to but I ran out of green.
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I was kinda playing with the idea of like a 2.3 whipple + 50 shot, but how much is overkill? lol that's the real question. For the money i'll spend on that i could just go with a 2.8KB or a 3.4Whipple and have the 700rwhp or be inches from it, lol... ahhh decisions, decisions.....
i would suggest going with the blower upgrade, either kb or whipple it all comes down to your personal preferences. The one benefit to the blower is that the power is always there without opening a bottle or constant refilling. what happens if your runnig down the road/track and the one car you really want to kill pulls up and you have an empty bottle?
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Whipple makes the 3.4L blower, but i think you need a hood modification to make it fit... if im wrong someone please correct me. I could get a 2.8H KB cheaper then that possibly... if money is the same 3.4>2.8, but if i could save 500 or so by staying witha 2.8 then it's the obvious choice....
atleast its not a bad choice to have to make - can't really go to wrong with either decision...
i think the 3.4 and the 2.8 go for a very similar price being around 3899 or so, the whipple 3.4 does need a slight hood modification, i thing you have to cut away a portion of the dropped part that runs down the middle of the hood so that the top of the blower does not contact it. honestly though with out a built motor you wan't really use the full potential of that blower. and jared at Lethal performance will be the first to tell you that is the case. I believe he made a post about it on svtp.
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Well the KB 2.8 is 4200 but i dont need the BAP or flip chip which saves me 550 bucks from the price of the 4200, so it's a bit cheaper.. 3650 for the blower... or 3200 or so for the 2.6.. thats a good bit of money, lol
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This is definitely a tough decision. But IMO, go with the upgraded blower. The Ported blower/Nitrous combo is one hell of a combo, and nothing to take lightly at all. But personally, I'm not a big fan of nitrous and that's the main reason I say go with the upgraded blower. You can never run out of boost. Like said above, you might run into someone and need the nitrous, and the bottle could be low or empty. Thinking about a refill/bottle pressure and all that **** is just too much to worry about IMO.
I have a friend who's installing a nitrous kit on his LS1 right now and he's running into all kinds of problems while doing it. And just the thought of something being installed wrong or failing while he's spraying is scary. You won't have to worry about that stuff just by going with the twin screw. As long as your tune is good and supporting mods are in check, you should be fine.
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You have already put money into your blower by porting it and such... why not keep that blower? You might not be quite at 500 but I know you are very close.
Granted... it would be nice to have a 100-200 hp upgrade from just swapping blowers... I would keep the stock blower... but if your convinced on having more power... Then I would stay away from nitrous... I would go with the blower all the way... You can choose between the whipple and the KB because I have no experience with them... I do have experience with freinds cobra's and them spraying them... Neither of the 2 had good turnouts with nitrous. Granted... they were not very conservative... they have melted more then a couple of pistons.
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BTW Kaz, I'll be installing my ported blower this weekend. And I told myself If I ever wanted more power, I'd go KB for sure. ... Well, until I saw this thread.
If I do decide I want more power, I highly doubt I'll be getting a KB after reading this. Customer Service goes a loooong way. And I'm not posting this to knock KB or anything like that. Just giving you a little heads up while you still have options available. Customer service means a lot to me, as it should anyone.
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Team MF Member #5002 Posts: 5068
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as it does to me... well the whole ported blower thing.. I spent 600 on it, got 400 for my stock one, and could get 500 atleast for the sale of it once I sell it... so that takes care of itself...
Like I said im still kinda far away time wise... I would love it if they came out with the eaton they've been talkin about....
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lol blown we're just kinda spoiled... I am hoping the weight loss from the straight axle will appease me for a little while, then see what i want to afford... lol
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on svtperf they're talking abotu some hybrid eaton that supposedly outflows the Whipples and KBs... I forget what they called it, but there is a HUGE post about it...
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100 shot vs KB... going crazy. - 
