my first car was a 72 mach 1 w/ a 2v 351 cleveland..... i let my friend drive it and it was totalled....( needless to say he's no longer my friend) haha... anyway the engine and internals are still good..... my dad asked me what i had planned for it... so i got to thinking about rebuilding it and maybe droping it into my 69. but as i have serched on this forum. it seems like there isnt a great aftermarket for the cleveland. ive looked on jegs and summit ect... and all i found were manifold and carbs and hooker headers. no heads or even piston kits, is this not worth my time due to the lack of aftermarket for them... right now this is just an itch im just kinda scratching the surface.... and would like to get some of the experts ideas around here... you guys have always be alot of help and i appreciate it.. thanks
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just because its not in a summit catalog doesnt mean it doesnt exist. im pretty sure edelbrock makes heads, and CHI makes wicked sweet heads and intakes. je will give you any pistons you want, and speedpro/sealed power/trw/federal mogul has been making pistons for the C motors since the day ford started producing them
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haha theres no need for despair theres tons of aftermarket parts check out this site www.ausfordparts.com and theres no need for a huge aftermarket since the stock heads are so good to begin with needing just a little port work to make them street killers
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well the engine only has 177 hp and 284 ft lbs if it has such good heads whats so bad on that engine to make it so that it only has those stats. the heads i have are 2v's. could it be the low compression.. 8.6:1???
isnt there alot more potential to be gained out of the cleveland?? then the windor i have now?
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Stock 2V or for that matter 4V heads suck, and yeah, with a paultry 8.6:1 static compression, you're not exactly a powerhouse. As far as Summit/Jegs....they have a LOT of stuff that's not listed in their catalog/site. If you find a part number for a manufacturer they carry, put it in and I almost garuntee the part will come up on their site, even if it's not listed in the general stuff you search for....that's how I get a lot of my stuff from them, even though they don't list it under the headings
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Who cares how much horsepower it has, all that matters is how fast it goes!
Best run 13.23 at 106.97mph with a 2.183 60' Times from before tune and driver mod.
well first off i think ur opinion is a little buyest... but i could be wrong.. haha so the cleveland is not for forced induction cuz that was a thought in my mind???
The Cleveland is a small block, even the 400....technically. The Cleveland is rather an odd bird, and the M's are considered morphidites(no, that's not what the M means actually). And there is about as much potential in each one, but it's harder to do in a Cleveland because there isn't the performance parts support like there is for Windsors. The only company I know of that makes a Cleveland head worth a crap(there's prolly more than just 1 I'd imagine though) is CHI, and even then, companies like AFR, Canfield, Dart etc all make heads that can compete easily with CHI heads.
And consider this, GM's new LS engine family uses the same head configuration as the Windsor Fords....single cam-in-block, inline overhead valve, 2 valves per cylinder. I seriously doubt there are more than a handful of cars in this forum that can keep up with an LS-anything, let alone an LS3 or LS7. Clevelands had canted valves with big ports, GM's new LS has inline valves and modest ports....now do you honestly think you can build a 351cid Cleveland using production 2V or 4V heads that can put out 430hp like the LS3 that's 376cid, and still have it just as streetable? Cleveland heads aren't all they're cracked up to be, otherwise don't you think GM would have used something like them in the LS family? Instead they chose to use the old tried and true and are making amazing power with them, because the heads are well developed, something that Cleveland heads are not(except in CHI's heads).
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Best run 13.23 at 106.97mph with a 2.183 60' Times from before tune and driver mod.
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Clevelands were always more popular here and used to be much easier to get performance parts for them. After 1970 or so and up till bout 85, even our 302's were Cleve's (same block destroked).
Now its easier to get windsor performance parts but the Cleve is making another resurgence as our local GT Falcon values head into the stratosphere. The most sought after model (XY) used D block Cleves out of Canada. If any of you have an old D block you dont want, some clown here will pay big for it.
I say go with the Cleve.
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A 2007 study found on average Australians walk 900 miles a year. We drink 26 gallons of beer. That means, on average, Australians get about 34 miles per gallon. Not bad hey!
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had no choice back then...now everyone makes heads (some better than others). way it is at the moment, its cheaper for me to buy AFR's out of the US than use local stuff
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so true. but once you start chasing anything remotely serious you go nuts if you keep count of the $. scary what i have spent in the last month
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The utter lack of anything even remotely resembling a fact regarding costs in this thread makes me want to puke. It is always cheapest to build what you own. If you don't own either and have to buy all new, buy what you want/like.
I will of course back this up with facts that it took me less than 5 minutes of research to assemble here in a nice nifty visual aid. I of course assumed you would want to make a stroker either way with relatively good parts, with the pistons on the arms, have it all balance, get a new balancer, flexplate...that kind of stuff:
Feel free to call me anything you think I may have missed.
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i dont care which way you cut it, a canted valve head is inherently a better design. GM's LS motors were dragged into this, I can tell you if that exact motor was designed to be a canted valve head, it would make more power (but would also be a slightly wider head, which is not good when space is a premium in the new cars)
the only reason that cleveland was cheaper, he didnt buy new heads for the cleve... that would run you about another 1k... are the 2v heads i have now good enough or would i be better off getting the 4??
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