[QUOTE=silversrt4]yeah srt4gurls car is fast. alot of companies are using her car to use their protoype parts on it. i did find out some more info about our clutches. They are rated at about 280-300 tq. theres quite a few people who are above that who have not replaced their clutch. i was saying that alot of people are running slicks on the stock clutch (the original) i will continue to do so until mine goes. I also fopund out our internals are good for around 450-500 hp. we have a company www.apgturbo.com who is building a turbo upgrade kit for our cars that will support over 400hp. i believe they will be using a gtseries garrett turbo. I think it was the gt30 or something like that. they never offivially told but thats what were guessing. so our aftermarket is growing everyday so hopefully we can finally break into the 11's and 10's. most likely on stock internals. as for is how my car runs. i dont know. i went to the track last week but i threw a code so i never got the chance to race. i will be going this wednesday though. if i can get the launching down right i could very easily hit a 13.5 and maybe even lower. people hit a 13.7 stock so with my mods it shouldnt be a problem. Knowing me i will probably choke and make myself look bad. i guess ill just have to find out wednesday.[/QUOTE]
There, not that's a much better post. You don't sound like a winny bitch
Upgrading the turbo untill is blows is a wast of money(untill it goes out). That turbo will run in to the 11s for sure.
If you don't need to stay street legal, gut all your cats! The car would be at least a 13.5 car from the factory, but it has 3 cats on the bitch. At least gut the pre turbo cat.
Instead of racing drag slicks, try DOT street drags. You won't fry the clutch warming up racing drag slicks.
[QUOTE=Jugador]ya and you can call em reliable all you want, but anything running a turbo loses reliability in my book[/QUOTE]
Why do you say that? A turbo is a wonderfull invention. Not sure what you mean by reliability. I traded in my Talon TSi at damn near 200K miles. I did a compression test and a 4 were is great shape.
I still have one more turbo car and I love it. I wouldn't trade it for anything. Even the stang came with a turbo for a short run.
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[QUOTE=Jugador]ya and you can call em reliable all you want, but anything running a turbo loses reliability in my book[/QUOTE]
Why do you say that? A turbo is a wonderfull invention. Not sure what you mean by reliability. I traded in my Talon TSi at damn near 200K miles. I did a compression test and a 4 were is great shape.
I still have one more turbo car and I love it. I wouldn't trade it for anything. Even the stang came with a turbo for a short run.
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its just one more thing that can and in most cases will screw up. how many times did you rebuild or get a new turbo in those 200k miles?
[QUOTE=Jugador]ya and you can call em reliable all you want, but anything running a turbo loses reliability in my book[/QUOTE]
Why do you say that? A turbo is a wonderfull invention. Not sure what you mean by reliability. I traded in my Talon TSi at damn near 200K miles. I did a compression test and a 4 were is great shape.
I still have one more turbo car and I love it. I wouldn't trade it for anything. Even the stang came with a turbo for a short run.
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its just one more thing that can and in most cases will screw up. how many times did you rebuild or get a new turbo in those 200k miles?
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Acually I got the car at 140K from a older lady. I guess she never drove it hard cause it was the original. I never had to replace it. The seals leaks, but it held full boost. On my current car, I am on my 2nd turbo. I had the original one rebuilt under warranty, and then I upgraded to a bigger turbo. I'm not sure what happend with the first turbo. I know the first owner only drove the car in the winter and it sat all summer. It prolly just had too many dry starts or something. Treated right, a turbo can last well over 100K miles. Replacing them isn't that bad and it is usually time to upgrade anyway.
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Its a well known fact that Dodge usually produces some nice looking, unique pieces of sh!t. Look at the trucks for example, way better looking than Ford or Chevy, but they have more problems than Ford and Chevy combined!
For starters I never said the "srt-4's" had reliability problems per se, just that the Neon has a reputation worse than a Hyundai (its true its true), and given Dodges overall track record... it just doesnt look good for the ol srt-4...
Defend it all you want with the holy viper, but in general you can't deny it. Besides, how many people daily drive a Viper or rack miles up on it? Not to mention that car costs a hella lot more than a Neon.
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Yup, Dodge trucks look awesome.
Both my brother and sister owned 4 different Ram's, and all 4 had a disgusting amount of issues, and I really don't believe coincidence is to blame.
There is no excuse for rear-end's breaking & power steering breaking at 10,000 miles. Especially with a MOM driver (she has kids, don't get confused you sicko's haha).
[QUOTE=Jugador]bah, it still can get messed up somewhat easily[/QUOTE]
You just fear the turbo. They don't just magicly break. Also they don't get messed up easily. Unless maybe it is on a SRT-4
The great thing about a turbo is it gets energy from exhaust that would have just gone out the tail pipe unused.
Changing a turbo out takes half a day when you know what you are doing. Unless maybe it is on a SRT-4. What were they thinking? I ran away when I saw the turbo was by the firewall. It's like a lot of new cars where the intake is in front and the exhaust is in the rear (for a FWD car), so the exhaust manifold is by the firewall with a turbo crammed in too. It looks like it would be a PITA to work on. I know I wouldn't want to touch it.
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you wouldnt want to work on it? boo hoo cry me a river. everybody can put down dodge all they want. the only cars i like from them is the viper and the srt-4. you can say all you want about reliability issues, but the truth is that you guys dont know about the srt-4. Talk all the smack you want, just be careful when you run into an srt-4 at the light. well im done with this post. ive proved my points. some of you know some s**t, but most of you couldnt tell the difference between a supercharger and a turbo*cough* mdvaldosta, spennerbait, jugador, jugador, jugador, jugador, redneck101 *cough* geez i should get that cough checked out. well good luck with the mustangs. hopefully ill see some of you at the track.
[QUOTE=silversrt4]you wouldnt want to work on it? boo hoo cry me a river. everybody can put down dodge all they want. the only cars i like from them is the viper and the srt-4. you can say all you want about reliability issues, but the truth is that you guys dont know about the srt-4. Talk all the smack you want, just be careful when you run into an srt-4 at the light. well im done with this post. ive proved my points. some of you know some s**t, but most of you couldnt tell the difference between a supercharger and a turbo*cough* mdvaldosta, spennerbait, jugador, jugador, jugador, jugador, redneck101 *cough* geez i should get that cough checked out. well good luck with the mustangs. hopefully ill see some of you at the track.[/QUOTE]
You're going to be crying a river when you A, pay a mechanic to do it for you, or B you do it yourself. You will be cussing up a storm and throwing tools all over the garage. Dude, it's in the back of the engine!!!! Good luck getting the all the oil and coolant lines, taking off the exhaust manifold from the block, ect.
I'm not saying that Mopar is s**t. I don't think the SRT-4 has been out long enough to say that it is. However, I think we can look at the facts. It's a cheap car. You get what you pay for. They had to cut corners some place to be able to sell such a cheap car.
Why don't you wait a few years and see how they hold up before you go raving about your new car.
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Or about talking smack about me. You have alot to learn, best of luck to you and as long as your happy with your car thats all that matters. I have spoke nothing but the truth, you should learn to take it for what it is.
I think everyone realizes that dodge is junk in the long run, and for the most part, in the short run. My Mother always had a damned dodge caravan, and it stayed broke,or in the shop, and it started smoking at 7,000miles, before warranty had to replace the junk 3.0 engine. Good luck Dodgers...
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Jugadar: Using your theory, the only engine to ever be put in any car should be a rotary. After all, it only has 3 moving parts, it's just less to break.
You have no clue what that motor is capable of, as far as longevity and power potential, so, untill you do some research, quit bashing Mopar's reputation. You Ford guys don't exactly have a good rep for it either. Hell, I could bring up the Pinto and apply it to all Fords, which is what you people are basically doing to Mopar.
Any car will last, provided it is taken care of correctly.
MDV: It is a well known fact that a reputation of a disposable car should not be applied to a current vehicle that shares none of the same parts except for the name. I don't defend with a Viper, that's a rich man's toy.
I alsow would hate to have to swap out a turbo on an SRT4, not to mention the exhaust manifold.....but you know what, there's a downside to everything, and with the SRT-4, you get cheap speed, at the cost of a turbo sitting against the fire-wall. I wouldn't bitch, as I don't see myself replacing a turbo from one if I got one, 300 ft lbs and horses is plenty for a FWD STREETABLE DAILY.
Spinnerbate: There are always lemons made from every manufacturer, GM, Ford, Honda, Toyota, Mopar, BMW, hell, even Lambo's. You got one and now think that the exception is the rule based on your single experiance. If I went off of that, I wouldn't touch a Ford with a 30 foot cow prod.
You mustang owners.....always looking down on everything EXCEPT mustangs.......now I know why everyone thinks anyone driving a mustang is stuck with a mullet or is in their mid-life crisis. Grow up and face the facts, you've got competition from a FWD pocket rocket that's made by Mopar.
hey it's me. the guy who started this whole thread. I don't think silversrt4 is goinng to be back. we are both going to milan dragway today, if anyone here is from the detroit area, today is the last good day to run a test and tune. Drop by our pit and say hi.
I will post our times when I get back tonight, or tomorrow morning. does anyone know the best shift points for the modular 4.6? or could anyone with realtive mods show me a dyno graph ( steeda g-trac stage 1, bbk CAI, diablo chip, dynomax hi flow mufflers)
in the past, I could tell when I started to loose power at the end of each gear by watching the hood rise and fall, but with the tightend suspension, the car does not rock or sway or anything. so I find myself hitting 6 grand before I shift. I don't know if I am shifting too late. or what.
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On a stock mustang (looking at dyno graphs and overall fastest way to accelerate), its best to take it to 6k in 1st, 2nd, and shift from 3rd to 4th at 5800. Peak power comes in at 5000 or so I believe stock, but holds steady up to 5500. With your mods you will have more top end power, but the peak power will only rise by a hundred rpms or so IMO, so maybe 5900 in 3rd. Here is a stock dyno for a 2000 5 speed, its a mustang dyno so it will be a good 10% lower than a standard dynojet, but the rpm curves are whats imortant here:
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