hey jeep i would like to thank you for clarifying some of the close minded people. saying my car doesnt have potential. OUR CARS HAVE BEEN OUT FOR A YEAR. WE HAVE A SMALL AFTERMARKET.  WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR AND SEE OUR TIMES AT THE TRACK. STAGE 2 ISNT EVEN OUT YET! 14.2 STOCK?? READ THIS JACK@$$ http://srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17142 THE BEST I SAW A 13.7 STOCK!! gee why is our interior so cheap?? could it be to keep the cost down?? i think so. like your interior is great.  look at the seats! very uncomfortable and ugly. so maybe you should do some more researxc and then get back. btw those 13.7's and 13.8's are with stock tires. ok so you can put a supercharger on a v-6 stang and springs. well i can put on stage 2 with the mopar exhaust and run 12's all day long. total price on that is only about $1400 dollars. thats with no nitrous! show me how you can do that on your stang and i will be impressed.

letting my car cool down and warm up? thats what a remote start and a turbo timer is for.. so not really a problem there.actually you dont really need to let it warm up. the computer restricts the boost so you cant run it too high when its cold. i dont assume i can beat anything. i could get my ass handed to me by an ls1 right now. im not very far behind but i would still lose if the guy knows how to drive. lt1's on the other hand might be a different story. how will a turbo 4 be in the junkyard faster than your 03? you state things but dont throw any proof behind them. your calling me a ricer? do you know what a ricer is? the srt-4 is a domestic car. wow it has a body kit, bigger rims and a big spoiler. did you forget the turbo to back everything up? i dont think you can call a fast car a ricer. a stock srt-4 is not a ricer. If thats the case a saleen and a roush is a ricer. body kit, big spoiler and bigger rims. nice try though, lol

my on the roll theory. stock for stock, mustang gt and an srt-4 off a roll. the mustang will be beaten. my car vs a modified mustang (chip, exhaust, intake; g-trac suspension) i pulled on his ass like there was no tomorrow. i have 300 bucks worth of mods. best bang for the buck is stock for stock comparing a mdified car vs a stock one. great point lol see how long the warranty on your supercharged v-6 mustang will last.  oh spinnerbait, my comeback? you havent made a valid point at all. a newer edition of an older car? wtf do you think a mustang is? lx,gt,saleen,s281,s281e,roush stage1,2,& 3,steeda, and the other 50 other mustangs. you just ate your own words. that was probably the worst point ive heard out of all of this. you are what gives mustang owners bad names. yes there are cocky srt owners but there are cocyk owners in every car group.

our cars sound like ricers? bullsh*t. maybe you should hear one in person. its sounds nothing like a v-tec with a fart can on it.  the reason for being no mufflers is to have less back pressure to spool the turbo faster! somebody else needs to do their homework.  well its been fun. i cant wait to hear some of your responses. please, for my sake, and everybody elses sake. please come up with something smart. im tired of having to reply to all the brainless posts. do your homework and then talk. btw thanks everybody who is not close minded. its great that there are some educated people on this board. 

I'll start with Jeep, did you not see me specifically say that SRT-4's are very vast cars, especially for the price?  Yes I said Neon's are pieces of sh!t, even your holier than thou SRT-4.  It is nothing more than a modded Neon.  And as far as comparing a 4cyl to a V8, that was in defense of what your boy said.  I don't care what you say, you can NOT sit here and expect a car running 15lbs of boost with an already sh!ttier than all sh!t reputation (I think Hyundai has a better reputation than the Neon now by the way) to last longer than a tried and true Ford Mustang.  Period.  I suppose now you want to tell me how the Neon is more bang for the buck too?  No doubt they are cheap cars and are GREAT performers, but in no way can you say that you get more when you buy an SRT-4.  In no way can you say you have a more reliable car, more bang for the buck, a higher resale value, better quality, etc.  Get off your high horse and accept the fact that your "pessimistic" attitude has you launching a personal attack against anyone who disagrees with you.  I am going to lay off any further comments about you and this thread before it gets dirty.

As for silversrt4, as I have said over and over again, rice isnt simply an import car, hell no import car comes stock as "rice".  Its the drivers that make it rice.  Generally looks, yes.  I did not call your car rice, I called YOU a ricer.  Why?  Because you have that ricer mentality that thinks their car is the Holy Grail of all cars.  Face it, I became aggressive because you said you car was worth more bang for the buck.  That is the absolute most rediculous thing I have ever heard.  When you said that you werent talking about comparing to a mustang with 4 cylinders, you were comparing it to a GT, as Jeep neglected to read.

I'm going to summarize everything that I have said in this entire thread:

*SRT-4 is a great value for the price

*SRT-4 is a very fast car, especially for the type of car

*SRT-4 is NOT a better bang for the buck compared to a Mustang GT

*SRT-4 will NOT last longer than a Mustang, or a Hyundai for that matter

*Jeep is an a$$hole

*silversrt4 has a ricer mentality

*Oh, and I'm good in the sack and I still smell Dan's fart!

So because you have nice seats, the whole inside of the car is nice?  I wasn't bashing your car, just stating that the cheap plastic look was a huge turn off for me.  The same reason I don't like the new EVO.  The whole thing is made out of plastic.  Throwing nice seats in the car and a momo steering wheel doesn't change the fact that the rest of the car is made out of plastic.  Yup, the Viper style seats are nice, but that's about it. 

Who's interior are you suggesting is not as nice?

Hey, if you like your car so much, why do you care what others think?  I'm just posting my thoughts about the car.  I looked at it, it was at the top of the list as daily drivers.  In the end, I wasn't impressed.  There is one thing you will always have no matter how much you mod it or what you do to it.  FWD.  You will get tired of it over the years.  I had a fast FWD and it got to the point it was only usefull from a roll.  It was very hard to launch it without breaking the tires free in to a useless spin.  When I raced V8 RWD cars, I would always loose on the take off.  I could only pull at about 80MPH or more.

Do you have a Mustang or are you here just to argue?  I don't have a Mustang, but maybe this weekend.  I found a 04 I want, but it has a lot of options.  I might try and find another one that isn't so loaded so I can get the price lower.  I really like the dark grey thought with leather.   The one I am looking at has about everything I want, but I don't want to pay extra for the interior upgrade package.  It also has ABS and traction control and I would kinda like to have that.  I am not a expert to the high torque RWD car.  I would like to have that traction control for rainy days. 

Now, I'm going to give you a little advice.  You can either take the knowlage I have learned over the years and grow on it, or you can bash me to death and tell me I don't know s**t about what I am talking about. It is all up to you.

There are only two types of true racing drivetrains.  RWD, and AWD.  The sooner you learn this, the better off you will be.  Enjoy your car for what it is, but don't go picking fights about how great it is.  You are stuck with FWD and you will always have a disadvantage because of that.  You will never be able to take off as well, and you will never have the fun of taking a RWD or AWD car around a corner.  Unless you are a top speed HWY racing whore, you will get tired of your FWD fast.  When you take it to the track, you are going to be chasing a lot of cars down the 1/4.  You might catch them by the end if you are lucky. 

damn dan!! i'm going to request that taco bell limit the number of bean burritos sold per customer on each visit.

bottom line. SRT-4 is an awesome car. but it's not aimed at mustangs. its intention is to compete with the sport compact crowd. its two main competitors, (brand new) are the mazde protege (turbo model) WRX and the SVT focus.all of wich cost more, and offer lackluster performance in comparison (the WRX is pretty damn close but costs 5 G's more. but does have AWD advantage,)  it's a kick ass sport compact, but you cant compare who's better because it's a different type of car.

Jugador has a point in potential. slap a nice 15 PSI turbo on a stang, and she'll be a dyno queen. the kenne bell kit at 15 psi produced 520 rwhp on a stock late model GT. although the motor won't last without forged internals, dispacement has its advantages.

anyone care to comment? 

I never really cared for anyone using the analogy that if I had 15psi.....  Well if you also gave the 4 cyl, 4 more cyl and 2500 more ccs, then I guess it would make everyone even.

Race what you got or don't race.  Just don't complain about it when you race something different.

I guess I shouldn't be surprized that everyone tries to claim they got the fastest car.  Well, who has the better skill.  I don't race unless it is a friendly race.  Unless you are racing someone with the same class car, then it isn't really a race, it is more like, who has more money to make or buy a faster car.

Woah, that one was WET.

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maybe im mistaken but i thought those were for automatics only.

WORD, but I dont think that the SRT 4 can be compared to most neons.  Though the reputation of neons is for POS mexican transporters, I think that comparing the SRT 4 to other neons is like comparing paper airplanes to fighter jets.  I am very much a skeptic myself and having not driven one as of yet, my knowledge is somewhat limited. However, I do read in my Car and Driver and Motortrend that the car has literally nothing to do with the neon.  A whole new design, built with the highest quality parts possible, as well as a with a frugal mindset.  Can it be compared to the quality and longevity of Mustangs? Hell no.  Can its bang for the buck be compared?  That depends.  Depends on preference, as well as what year Stang you own, and what your going to do to either car.  As far as liniage goes, the Mustang has an impressive reputation, where as there isn't really anything to back the SRT 4 up, except for, of course the car made by Dodge that most closely resembes the SRT 4, the neon.  Im not contradicting myself here, I do think that it is apart from neons, nevertheless the neon is the only thing people can compare it to at this time.

ok lets start off. i never said the interior is the best on my car. i only said our dseats are better. your interior isnt great either. your seats are terrible. the panels are garbage. they are better than ours but believe me yours are nothing to brag about. as for owning a fwd vs a rwd. i have owned rwd. they suck. thats my preference. they are useless in the snow. i live in michigan. what happens between november and march? snow. we usually get snow alot. so that means my great rwd is pretty much useless in the winter so i have to buy another car. or i can take my fwd out and drive it in some pretty deep snow. im jnot saying the srt-4 is awesome in the snow, but its much better than a mustang.

as foir calling me a ricer? i said how much i liked the st81e saleen with the lizstick red paint. so i think my car is the holy grail? listen to yourself talk. theres plenty of cars i like. what do i like better, a mustang gt, or my srt-4. Of course i like the srt-4 better. it fits me better. i paid less money, and got a more comfortable interior, a quicker car, better braking, better handling, better looks (imo) and a car that you dont see every where you go. go and drive down the road. how many mustangs do you see? how many srt-4's do you see? so by you saying that your car has better resale. our cars are much rarer than yours. the build quality is still questionable. we havent been aropund long enough to see how it really is. pvo has been using top quality parts on our cars. in order for you to get top quality parts you have to spend 70,000 grand on the st81e. with forged internalsonly time will tell i guess. for you too say that our cars oare junk. you are an idiot for even stating that. your trying to compare us to a car we barely are. its completely rredsigned. so back that claim up with some proof and then you can talk.

as for you guys who know nothing about cars buand believe the is no replacement for displacennt need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that their is plenty of cars who cost less or even the same that will outperform you. is my car the best. ?f course not. its built for power at a cheap price.  so they had to cut corners. just like ford cut corners on the gt. sohc, unpainted moirrors, plastic horse on the front, cheap interior panels, crappy sound system, even the mach audio one sucks. im sure there are plenty more.

to gvr4ever: you think a front wheel drive car cant be a real drag racer?your obviosly stupid. i guess you never see a honda with slicks and tubbed out in the front pull under 10 second quarter mile times? maybe you should get out of your cave, open your eyes, and clean your eras because there is alot your missing. your saying you cant take turns in a fwd. i thought that is what lsd is for? (limited slip differential) will it be as good as awd? nope, but if your good with customizing suspension and know how to drive it will be damn good.  if you always lose off a takeoff the you need to learn how to drive. you want me to take your knowledge? yeah thats some great kknowledge you learned. lol no thanks, i think ill keep my knowledge. you really didnt state any knowledge, it was just opinions.

to spinnerbate: why dont i ball up into a corber? no thanks. ill let you do that. you have yet to hold a good arguemnt and post any real knowledge. you just let everybody else argue and you say stupid crap like that. way to go man. i see that you will succeed in life. neons suck? you have no experience with the srt-4. so do some research and then argue. or you can just hide behind everybody else and keep doing your queer little remarks.

to bcisme: well i hope that if you ran 15psi on a turbo kit with a mustang it would be pushing that much power. ok so i could forge the interals on mine, run a standalone fuel system, run a bigger turbo. i could push 25= psi and still run your 510 hp stang. you can modify any car here. im comparing a stock srt-4 vs a stock mustang gt. thats all. everybody can modify the hell out of our motors but thats not what i was argueing. so please put the bifocals back and reread the posts.

to jugador: you can put a remote start on a manual. its just a little more wiring. you can even wire it so it will only start with the ebrake pulled up.

i believe the srt-4 is a better bang for the buck. i have stated the reasons why. really think about it. it all depends where you live too. you cant really drive a rwd car in the winter here. i tried it with my formula and it was terrible.

anyone else care to comment??

We all have our perferences and opinions.  Lets not turn this into a personal war.  Its just opinions and if everyone agreed their wouldn't be anything to talk about.  Arguing is fun, I love the blow to blow keystrokin but I also don't want to result to insults.  Im sorry if anyone took anything I said as an insult. 

For jeep, I think your as strong about your opinions as I am, I can't fault you for that.  Try to put on a smiley face when your typing though, its not alway what you say... its how you say it.

For silversrt4, welcome to the forums and glad to have you around.  You may not be a mustang owner but then again their alot of non mustang owners here.  Also their isn't anything wrong with having pride in your car.  If I owned an srt-4 I would be saying the same thing you are.  Hey after all, you know what opinions are like, and that everyone has one.  If your ever in the Middle or South GA area let me know, I would be glad to run ya... but you better bring some cash.

OIC, you are going to use slicks?  You failed to mention that.  Ya, I am aware of what a honda can do when built up, but why are you comparing your car to them?  Is your car a 9 second car?

So, you are going to use slicks?  Have you priced out a extra set of rims and slicks?  I guess you are going to use the stock clutch with the slicks as well.  Are you going to drop the tranny yourself or pay to have that done after smoking your clutch running slicks?  How much are rims, drag tires, tranny drop, and a stonger clutch going to run you?  Don't even tell me your stock clutch will hold drag slicks!

Well, now your car isn't really stock any more.  So, are you going to compare your car to any other car that can be modded?

Where are you going with this?  I thought we were talking about what your car was, not what it could be.

*Answering all in a single post for s**ts and giggles*

mdvaldosta

"*SRT-4 is a great value for the price

*SRT-4 is a very fast car, especially for the type of car

*SRT-4 is NOT a better bang for the buck compared to a Mustang GT

*SRT-4 will NOT last longer than a Mustang, or a Hyundai for that matter

*Jeep is an a$$hole

*silversrt4 has a ricer mentality

*Oh, and I'm good in the sack and I still smell Dan's fart!"

I agree with you in every aspect but 3 of them.

1.  Better bang for buck:  When compared to insurance, gas prices, and winter driving capability (along with idiot proof driving), new car vs. new car, I personally see the SRT4 as being a better bang for buck financially.  Used....different story, and no comparison.

2.  Not lasting longer:  How can you possibly say that about them?  Based on an old engine that is no longer used?  A new chassis?  Interior?  Where is your basis for it?  It's plain ignorant to think you can put the reputation that the first gen neons had on any of the new dodge products.

3.  Ricer mentality:  He's just defending his ride from a bunch of people who have no clue about anything about the car.

"For jeep, I think your as strong about your opinions as I am, I can't fault you for that.  Try to put on a smiley face when your typing though, its not alway what you say... its how you say it."

I am extremely opinionated, and rarely wrong.  If you find my posts to be assholish or something, touch crap.  They ain't changin.  I feircely defend most things I believe in, and I thinkt he SRT4 is going to be the new Omni GLH's...or the turbo DSM's if you've never heard of a GLH for some f**ked up reason.  Sitting there and trying to call them peices for the quality, ect.., doesn't fly when you're not informed about them.

Jugadar:

"maybe im mistaken but i thought those were for automatics only."

You are mistaken.  It is very easy to disable the clutch sensor to put a remote start effectively in a manual vehicle, but you'd better leave it in nuetral when you leave.  Not the smartest thing in my book, I'd just drive it easy for a bit.  I'd rather have the extra insurance of 2 methods of keeping the car from moving.

"why the retarded emphasis on slicks?"

Slicks are extremely important for great 60' times and as such good time slips.  However, the person in question is a complete moron, and his remarks should be disregarded.

gvr4ever(translation=un-informed idiot)

"So, you are going to use slicks?  Have you priced out a extra set of rims and slicks?  I guess you are going to use the stock clutch with the slicks as well.  Are you going to drop the tranny yourself or pay to have that done after smoking your clutch running slicks?  How much are rims, drag tires, tranny drop, and a stonger clutch going to run you?  Don't even tell me your stock clutch will hold drag slicks!"

Hmm.....have you ever thought that new OEM clutches work awsome?  Or the fact that the SRT4 comes with a heavy duty clutch?  Or the fact that the 04+ come with a Quaffie differential.....the best out there.

Don't talk to me about a clutch holding the slicks, I'd rather toast a clutch than a tranny.  It's always better to have a weaker clutch and a good tranny than a strong ass clutch and good tranny, it puts too much stress on the internals.  I went through 2 transmissions in 1 month drag racing......on street tires.

Point is  you have no clue about the specifics of the drivetrain (and neither do I as far as this technicality goes), so call PVO and ask your questions there.  I know people running freaking stock Hyndai tranny/clutch combos with slicks......and they're still together (granted they only run twice a week, but still).

Now, who wants a Nati light?  Or a Bud light?  It's water, college water.

"maybe im mistaken but i thought those were for automatics only."

You are mistaken.  It is very easy to disable the clutch sensor to put a remote start effectively in a manual vehicle, but you'd better leave it in nuetral when you leave.  Not the smartest thing in my book, I'd just drive it easy for a bit.  I'd rather have the extra insurance of 2 methods of keeping the car from moving.

"why the retarded emphasis on slicks?"

Slicks are extremely important for great 60' times and as such good time slips.  However, the person in question is a complete moron, and his remarks should be disregarded.

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ahh i was basing the remote start thing off something i saw on tech tv months ago.  i wouldnt want to leave it in neutral when parked either. 

and the slick thing, i know they're important, but what the hell was he talking about?! [edit: IE: why was he getting his panties all in a bunch over slicks and clutches when that wasnt even related to the topic at hand]