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yes the boost will bleed. the computer sensed that i was running too much partial throttle boost so it will bleed it. from what i have been told i justhjave to reset the computer and drive it for about 200 miles and my boost will return. i will find out about that today. thats why people get the stage 1. its a whole new remapped computer that doesnt have the autolearn and other things the stock computer tries to limit.
[QUOTE=mvdaldosta]15 pound of boost! Hell give a stock stang 15lbs of boost and forged internals for it and you'll see 500+ hp at the wheels![/QUOTE]
Thats a great comparison! a blown v-8 vs a turbo 2.4 our aftermarket is very small. our cars have barely been out for a year. our fastest guy is only in the low 12's on stock internals. wait until we get some turbo swaps and forged internals then you will see how we run.
[QUOTE=mdvaldosta] They had tons of quality problems in the past and that will be hard to overcome until time passes and you guys get some miles racked up. Every manufacturer has their demons, and with neons it was the poor quality body and chassis, as well as headgasket problems.[/QUOTE]
thats the one reason why i bought his car. Because there are not many parts on this car that are the same as the other neons. do some homework and find out for yourself.
[QUOTE=mdvaldosta]Yes its impressive that you can get a 15# turbo with forged internals in a car for that price, but you gotta think for a second... at what cost? What is Dodge skimping on to get you that kind of stuff and still sell it for that price?[/QUOTE]
actually people have been running about 19-20psi on the stock turbo before it doesnt make any more power. thats probably the turbos limit. actually dodge cut alot of corners on this car. if you look in the interior you will notice. we have viper inspired seats, but they are mostly cloth and partial leather. they are still quite comfortable. there are no rear power windows. there is no cruise control. the interior plastic feels really cheap.(probably a cheaper material) stereo system has a component set in there, but it still sounds like crap. the trebel is great, but the bass, well there is no bass really. thats just to name a few. to me it seems like it would be hard to cut corners on the drivetrain when this is what the car is all about. since you know that this car will be in a salvage yard i guess i will take your word for it. its funny how you would know since these have been out for a little over a year. i think maybe you should do some more homework, and then try to come up with some legitamite information. when i bought this car i knew what i was getting. i know i wasnt getting a great interior, or a car with alot of features. if i wanted that i would have bought an evo, or a wrx. i wanted a car that can hand many v-8 their ass on a platter for a small price. for about a grand i could be seeing 12's without nitrous. so thank you for all thos egreat points. i look foward to your reply
Who would want to take the time to let it warm up, and then let it cool down? I am sure its the correct way, but man, that would slow down my day to day life... Dodge neon will always be a neon to me, and I am not the only person that realizes a turbo 4 banger on average will be in the junk yard way quicker than my 03 GT. You can reply with whatever, just don't assume you can beat everything on the road with a v8. lol!! The neon is just another ricer, srt-4 or not... Thanks for reading, and good luck with the 4banger bro!
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No disrespect was meant towards you or your car. You told me to do some research on the car before I talk about it, so I did. You want my reply, so here it is.
Neons are pieces of sh!t. Your Neon is no different from any other Neon other than the drivetrain and the suspension and some cosmetic improvements. Same body and same chassis. Your car is no faster than a stock Mustang GT of the same year (I checked 3 sites and they all list the SRT-4 at 14.2). The price is only 2k - 3k cheaper for a Neon SRT-4. For 2k I think I'll stay with my V8. Im glad you like your Neon, and yes they are very fast cars especially for the price.
Now your gonna tell me how they are getting those Neons to high 13's stock, well guess what, so are Mustang GT owners. The trap times are the same as a Mustang as well, so there goes your "on a roll I'll beat you" theory. And just listen to yourself, you talk as though an SRT-4 isn't even a Neon. Well, I hate to break it to you, its just a modified Neon, better suspension and drivetrain and looks. It still has the same "oh no my interior pieces are falling off" problems as all the other Neons. Why? How do I know they're still new? Well because they are no different than any other Neon in that category. Oh yea, their drivers are arrogant too.
They're nothing wrong with loving the car you drive, we all want to believe our cars are the best ever made. I will leave you with this thought:
If you want to compare cost vs speed, Lets take a brand spanking new 2003 V6 mustang for $15,500.00 then throw a supercharger, springs, and rear gears on it. Now we have 19,000 in it (less than your SRT-4), and also a low 13 second car (faster than your srt-4).
Nice piece of "comeback" dude, I totally agree. Good job on your "research project". I give you an A+! lol... I have said it before, just because its a new edition of an older car doesn't make it the baddest car in the world. I think they have neon forums too..(hint)
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"Neons are pieces of sh!t. Your Neon is no different from any other Neon other than the drivetrain and the suspension and some cosmetic improvements. Same body and same chassis."
Post-97 ones are pretty decent, and they are dodge's version of the cavileir or focus. Deal with it. The reason that the neon's got bad reps is mostly because of a design flaw that basically lead to a head gasket that turned to s**t pretty fast. Dodge fixed it somewhere around 97. His chassis and all body panels but 3 (if I'm counting correctly) are the same as the base neon for a reason. They're there, which means it will cut down price of manufacturing them and putting more R&D into the power plant.
"Now your gonna tell me how they are getting those Neons to high 13's stock, well guess what, so are Mustang GT owners. The trap times are the same as a Mustang as well, so there goes your "on a roll I'll beat you" theory."
Tire, tires, tires, tires. The high 13's I gerantee aren't on stock tires, and the driver is pretty damned good. It isn't the norm (most are pulling very low 14's depending on altitude), but it does happen. Trap times are a reflection of traction, and the trap speed is a function of power/weight ratios.
There goes YOUR theory.
"Well, I hate to break it to you, its just a modified Neon, better suspension and drivetrain and looks."
Where has he said anything but that? Better suspension and an amazing power plant. Go to hotrod.com and look around, they tore down the motor off a PT GT (smae motor, different intake manifold). Very impressive stuff and inginuative design by Dodge, by anyone's mind.
"Oh yea, their drivers are arrogant too."
And you mustang owners are different how? Listen to yourself. You can't seem to break the fact that he paid an immense amount less and hangs with your modular Ford 4.6. In a FWD vehicle with 1/2 the cylinders. Maybe YOU should look in the mirror more often.
"If you want to compare cost vs speed, Lets take a brand spanking new 2003 V6 mustang for $15,500.00 then throw a supercharger, springs, and rear gears on it. Now we have 19,000 in it (less than your SRT-4), and also a low 13 second car (faster than your srt-4)."
Stock vs. stock, a turbocharged DOHC 2.4L neon hangs with your precious V8. How's that for a reality check? I can go buy an early 90's Shadow for dirt cheap, rebuild and boost the s**t out of it with premo parts for less than either of your parts or the SRT4. Besides, you didn't mention the labor for installing the gears in your price, nor taxes and shipping handling. Realize that no matter how much of a better bang for buck your idea MAY seem, his has MUCH more potential.
I sir, look forward to YOUR reply.
He didn't come on here to start a f**kin war or anything, just give an insight to the SRT4, which is an utterly amazing machine. It's a speed junkie's car, through and through, with hardly any of the frills that you pay extra for in most cars (I'd tear out the stereo, rear seat, and the cheap plastic panels though. Save some weight and enjoy the music of the motor)
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[QUOTE=Spinnerbate]Dan, do you know everything? The srt-4 can't "wax" me from a roll. If you say it may beat me with a roll, thats more like it, but don't try to put "two car lengths" in everyones mind, cause it won't happen. Just because its a new edition doesn't mean it can beat everything on the road. Just ask 350 Z owners! lol... If you start from the green light, it would be no problem because you gotta wind that car up first, I drove one,... remember?? I understand it can get to 60 in the mid 5's , but I could do that the day I drove mine home stock> I feel better now, time for bed. C-ya[/QUOTE]
Do you mind pointing out where I say I know everything? Also do you mind pointing out where I said you would get beat by 2 car lengths? When did I stress anything about a 'new edition beating everything on the road'?
Also, what the hell does the reference to 350Z owners have ANYTHING to do with this?
Wait, what the hell are you arguing about again?
MY POINT WAS, GT's, stock to NEAR STOCK, are not top-end CARS. Turbo...dang! TURBO IS A TOP-END GOD.
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He didn't come on here to start a f**kin war or anything, just give an insight to the SRT4, which is an utterly amazing machine. It's a speed junkie's car, through and through, with hardly any of the frills that you pay extra for in most cars (I'd tear out the stereo, rear seat, and the cheap plastic panels though. Save some weight and enjoy the music of the motor)
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EXACTLY. if you people would do more research, like i keep saying, you'd know that dodge designed a 6 speaker stereo system with built in amp for the SRT-4. they dropped it due to 1. it would increase the target MSRP of 19995, and 2. it would ad over 30 lbs to the vehicles weight. so they dropped it. you guys need to dig up more info on these cars before you start bashing them. the SRT-4 IS HERE TO STAY, DEAL WITH IT!!!
although production is limited, there are now some 10,000 of them running around, or soon to be. and its gonna take a while for them to go away.
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ya i see your point kinda...not saying its cheaper, but if you do mod it (like dodge did except they do it BEFORE they sell it to you) a gt will be better. SRT-4=bang for the buck, yes, but in the longrun it just doesnt have the potential a modular V8 (which i still dont get why jeep is seemingly putting down) has.
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Listen Jeep, re-read this thread, except this time without your seemingly never ending negative attitude. The guy was talking out his ass, claiming his car is 4k cheaper than a stang among other things. Im not gonna waste time explaining what happened to you, just learn to read.
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A. I can read. I can not stand someone knocking such an amazing peice of machinery that's so freaking cheap. Much like you did.
As for my negative attitude, I'm a pessimist, and probably will be for a long while. It may seem kinda s**tty, but looking at the negative side of cause/effect more than the positive side keeps you from getting reamed up the ass most of the time.
Now, The 4 banger in the SRT4 does not have the potential of a motor that's nearly twice as big in displacement, and has double the cylinders. It just doesn't. However, for the things that people are doing for nothing to them is amazing. For example: A peice of pipe turned down to the ground, right after the cat, negating the stock cat-back entirely. Spools up faster and pumps more boost, and is apparently a wicked modification.
The SRT4 does not have mufflers, but also sounds NOTHING like a fart from a civic. Trust me, I recently had the chance to drive one and hear it drive by, cruising and full throttle....and believe me, it's nothing like a ricemobile, and not as loud as people might think since it doesn't have a muffler (the turbo quiets the engine a lot). It may sound funny, but a motor that sounds that good, regardless of the number of cylinders, especially with that sting, is nothing to laugh at.
As for modified from dodge......kinda, in a sense. Mopar did the same recpie back in the day with the GLH and other vairous turbo mopars of the time. Stuff the biggest motor you can in the engine bay, and boost it to hell and back. The 2.5/2.2L motor from the late 80's, early 90's calls 20 psi of boost low, and so does the race SRT4's.
Want another good cheap mod for them that helps logevity as well? Remove the dual balance shafts, reduces the rotating mass the motor has to move and makes room for 2 quarts of additional oil......which means a cooler running turbo for a longer amount of time. Hell, mopar even put oil jets under the pistons to help cool the skirt to keep detonation at bay at high power levels. I've only seen that in Supras and high end sports cars, nothing this cheap.
Hell, they even come with a torque sensing diff from the production line made by Quafie for crying out loud. Modified from the factory? Yes. Plenty of room for improvement, with Mopar parts and others? Hell yeah. s**t, Stage 3 and Stage 3R will spit out over 300 horsepower, but will loose the smog-legal title. And those are factory endorsed parts, imagine aftermarket stuff.
So, in short: MDV and all of the other SRT4 haters and anti-Mopars: open your eyes or else you won't know what just bit your ass. I'll give you a hint though, a 4 banger sedan.
The SRT-4 is a decent car. However, after looking at one, I decited not to get it.
While it might look great now, wait till you have to work on it. The turbo is by the fire wall. Good luck changing that out. It had a 16g turbo and a fmic and 15psi. Sure it is going to be fun. However, from the cheap plastic and low end styling, I'm going to go wth a Stang.
Just because you can hang with a Stang, doesn't mean the car is better. You will have more work down the road.
Not to slam a turbo car. I have one and love it to death. A stang will be my daily driver. Any moded turbo car is going to take work. If you drive it hard, prepare for work. Only time will tell if Mopar is up to the challange of being a leader in turbo 4cyl cars. Untill they prove themselves, don't brag about what your car can do. It might not last without plent of repairs and wrenching. After reading about the problems with the omni glh, I am not sure the SRT-4 is going to be a strong runner once the high miles hit.
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our aftermarket is very small. our cars have barely been out for a year. our fastest guy is only in the low 12's on stock internals. wait until we get some turbo swaps and forged internals then you will see how we run.
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