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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 6/30/2007 10:36:33 PM   
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I just had my car tuned and dyno'd today.  I am sitting at 412 rwhp.  Adding the pully would mostlikely put me at around 430 to 440 rwhp.  I think that I am going to go ahead with the pully.  From what I hear it shouldn't be that much of a risk since i am not going to far with the HP.

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/3/2007 12:18:40 PM   
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As long as you have a GOOD solid tune, you should be fine at that level. The tune is the key. Check out mod fords forum - plenty of folks running Saleens at 8/10 psi in everyday drivers. 

I have the 3.6 inch pulley and dynoed at 440rwhp/421trq so I am happy. (and even if I wanted to go further, I would have to upgrade my fuel system first)

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/3/2007 2:56:04 PM   
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As long as you have a GOOD solid tune, you should be fine at that level. The tune is the key. Check out mod fords forum - plenty of folks running Saleens at 8/10 psi in everyday drivers. 

I have the 3.6 inch pulley and dynoed at 440rwhp/421trq so I am happy. (and even if I wanted to go further, I would have to upgrade my fuel system first)


Those are some good #s !!!!  AND I see why.....VMP. When you have some time, I would like to talk with you.
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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/4/2007 1:18:45 AM   
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I would say thats a good stopping point. Plus burke0011 brings up a good point regarding the fuel system. I would think anything higher than 450RWHP you would want to strat considering a dual fuel pump setup.

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/4/2007 4:17:47 AM   
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I was told that they will be installing a kenne bell boost-a-pump and different plugs when the pully goes on.

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/4/2007 3:33:31 PM   
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See I have all that stuff already that Saleen340 is talkin about but you guys have me worried now if I ran 10 psi and about 475 rwhp... It's a daily driver as well

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/4/2007 8:20:41 PM   
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I have heard both great stories and iffy things about the KB boost-a-pumps....

My stock pump is fine but I am right at that line, as at about 6,300 rpms, it is done

Saleen05797, I wouldn't worry. at the TOP of my run I was making 9.5+ lbs of boost and you can see where my numbers are - again, it is all the tune. There are many guys running 10psi on Whipples on Mod Fords forum with no problems.

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/5/2007 3:06:57 PM   
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I am NOT recommending anything (just so we're clear) but I will answer your question...

The Saleen blower can go to 15 psi. After that, the IAT's get too hot and the blower falls flat. A couple big shops have tested the Saleen to it's potential and both discovered 15 to be the limit. At 16, it's out of steam.

Now, For The Record, I wouldn't go nowhere near that on the stock bottom end. The rods are the real crapshoot and it has been proven that all rods are not created equal. Some let go at 450 - others at 550 - but it is a crapshoot after 450 and that's a FACT. You can add a Cobra crank pulley and make 2 psi more on the same pulley you have now. Play around with your current combo and try to dial in about 450 rwhp is my advice.



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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/5/2007 3:12:12 PM   
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I would say thats a good stopping point. Plus burke0011 brings up a good point regarding the fuel system. I would think anything higher than 450RWHP you would want to strat considering a dual fuel pump setup.


It is a fact that not a single person has had an issue with the BAP under 550 rwhp.

The Dual pump set-ups are overkill for anything under 550 rwhp - plain and simple.

If you are under 550 rwhp - the BAP is the best option and over 550 you need to look at a dual set-up. I personally like the GT500 set-up purely because of the extra DM and new harness. I have not heard of the GT supercar pumps failing yet, but if one did, I for one want that extra DM to keep things flowing.

The dual set-ups are good for around 650 and with a dual 40 amp BAP, you can take them to about 750 but after that - it's time for a return system.

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/5/2007 11:52:06 PM   
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Hmmm, would one run at about 480rwhp be safe or would they give out if they were bad rods even on one run? Reason being, I might have it tuned at 450 rwhp but try and get to around 486 rwhp on the dyno just for bragging rights, and if I ever wanted to up it some from the 450...?

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/6/2007 12:02:30 AM   
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Dude - WTF

run it at a higher boost just for a single run for 'bragging rights' and then run it at a lower level where its safe?





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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/6/2007 3:00:58 AM   
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Hmmm, would one run at about 480rwhp be safe or would they give out if they were bad rods even on one run? Reason being, I might have it tuned at 450 rwhp but try and get to around 486 rwhp on the dyno just for bragging rights, and if I ever wanted to up it some from the 450...?

Do you really think that 30rwhp less is going to keep your rods in the safety zone?? There is no real safety zone its all different with different cars. Your rods could break at 415rwhp or at 500rwhp depending on soo many different variables. Do yourself and your car a favor and spend a little more and upgrade your internals, its worth it not to have something break!

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/8/2007 11:13:59 AM   
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Any idea how much it would cost to upgrade internals? How much rwhp could i create with a simple pully change on forged internals?




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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/8/2007 12:55:26 PM   
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1800-2000 for the parts, +install cost.

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/9/2007 10:35:14 AM   
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See, that's why I'm not trying to upgrade the internals, at least not yet. I just want the most I can get for what I paid for. I'm already at 414 rwhp with 5psi, so I know my engine can handle that much

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/10/2007 2:22:47 PM   
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I am getting 412 with 8psi (stock 07 with a custom tune)...

what mods have you done on yours so far to get to 415rwhp @ 5psi?

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/10/2007 7:20:25 PM   
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I am getting 412 with 8psi (stock 07 with a custom tune)...
what mods have you done on yours so far to get to 415rwhp @ 5psi?


Don't look into the numbers too hard.  Saleen advertised the stock pulley as a "4lb pulley".  So technically, I've dyno'd at 420rwhp on a Mustang Dyno with a 4lb pulley.

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/10/2007 9:56:35 PM   
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I am getting 412 with 8psi (stock 07 with a custom tune)...

what mods have you done on yours so far to get to 415rwhp @ 5psi?


I bought an N/A Saleen so I had more routes to go with the SC. I put a Kenne Bell on there so thats the main diff. I have 60lb injectores, a Boost A Pump, and its intercooled.

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/14/2007 11:34:58 PM   
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Fordfanboy are you talking about the VI Saleen blower? Its a 2.3L blower and from my understanding she can keep on climbing to about 22-23 psi. JSM uses the VI series in there car and there above 15 psi.

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RE: How much boost can an 07 SC take? - 7/15/2007 9:03:58 AM   
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JDM claims to have over 600 4.6L 3V running the Saleen Blower with zero engine failures. Most are running 3.6 with stock fuel system and 3.4-3.0 with Upgraded Fuel System. 

JDM was running 14 psi (3.0) in the race car last I heard.

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