Damon I agree! The way people talk about their brand loyalty, you would think Ford has them on the payroll! I love my Mustang, but I love a lot of other cars too. I hope the Camaro comes out and impresses everyone. Don't you guys realize that is what pushes other companies to keep improving. It's called competition, and capitalism. Without it Mustangs would not be what they are today. If you're a true auto enthusiast, you have to have interest in the new Camaro. If you only love Mustangs, and nothing else, that's a shame because you are missing out on a lot of nice cars! Don't hate, appreciate!
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If I'm in the market for a new car as it's actually hitting the showroom floor, sure. Same goes for the Challenger and, of course, a GT-level Mustang. None of the mfrs ever gets it 100% right, or 100% wrong either, so there will be some things I like and dislike about each. Some things are absolute musts, like a V8 and a real, clutch-required-all-the-time manual transmission. A few things would be deal-breakers all by themselves. And others will fall into a "will tolerate, if just barely" category. Not directly related to the cars themselves, but relevant to me with regard to the Challenger is that the dust has to settle on the DaimlerChrysler divorce.
Not trying to sell any GM products here, but . . .
I have had the opportunity to drive a 4th gen Firebird at autocross with no limits as to how hard. A completely streetable ESP car, with a decent ride considering the suspension mods, and easy to drive hard (I got within a little over a second or so of the car owner's time out of 41, and I hadn't driven an F-body for maybe 30 years since the last time at that point - and that's saying a lot). I was warned about it having a severe case of brake hop if I got too crazy with that middle pedal, and I wouldn't want to work on the engine.
If the new one solves those 4th gen issues without giving up the performance or adding weight, it'll be very serious competition. And you know what they say about competition and improving the breed.
Hi all. I know I'm a n00b here, but I felt compelled to make this my first post. The way I see it...Chevy has NO Camaros to test drive right now. They probably won't have any available in 2008 although there's rumor that they will be out in Q4 2008, we will see. I'm kind of doubting it, honestly. There's been so much hype over the years about a new Camaro, but still, we haven't seen any.
Anyhow, with what's available now, when they do come out we could see
Base model w/3.9L V6 250hp starting at $25,000 5.3L V8 300hp starting at $30,000 RS model 6.0L V8 400hp starting at $36,000 SS model 7.0L V8 450hp starting at $42,000
I just tossed up $ amounts that seemed realistic to me. I'm doubting that they would offer the LS2 with the same HP as a Vette or even find the Camaro worthy of a 500+hp LS7. Would Chevy dare hurt their sales on Vette's by offering the same powered V8?
I'm only speculating engines available and prices. I believe that dollar for dollar, Mustangs will still be the better offer. If you want to race the two vehicles then it's a crap shoot in comparing. If you want the 400+hp Camaro, you'll probably walk out of the dealership paying what you could for a Roush 427 (400+hp). You want to beat a stock V8 Camaro, pour the money you saved buying the Mustang, install a twin turbo and laugh while watching him in your rearview mirror.
Doh, and to answer the question....NO, I won't be test driving one. The only chance I'll test drive one is if a friend buys one. The only Chevy I ever wanted to sit in is a Vette.
Sure, I would love to test drive the new Camaro & Challenger. It won’t change my love for the Mustang. It looks like the muscle car wars are back! We should all be more than grateful to see this happen, especially when you consider the economy of things these days…
What I have always loved about the Mustang is that for the most part they are lighter, more nimble, and more reasonably price compared to the competition. A 400 horse Camaro is going to be closer to 40k, and that is way out of my range. I’m about one year out from buying a new car and I will either go for the 08 Stang w/dealer discounts, or spend the extra buck for the slightly enhanced 09 Stang, which will probably have around 350 horse – that should me more than enough to get my 37 year old butt around town, don’t ya think?
Chevy discontinued the ls2, so expect the ls3 in the new Camaro. Which means 430 hp Z28. Now me personally, I want chevy to offer the SS with a supercharged ls3. Just because the forged internals. Believe me with the GT500 and now rumors of a 500hp challenger model coming soon, chevy will have something up their sleeve. I just read in my Automobile Mag. that the C7 vette is changing to a mid-engined car. Now I don't know if its true, but it was what they were reporting. Which would price it well out of the range of any camaro. If it is true they could put a 800hp motor in the Camaro and still be cheaper than a mid-engined corvette. Chevy's not stupid the corvette is a world class handling car. They also now if they put a 500hp motor in the new Camaro (approx 3800lbs) and in the new vette (3200lbs). Common everybody on the planet knows who would win that race.
I'm pretty sure that they'll rate the Camaro's power down just a few ponies form that of the Corvette in order to keep the bragging rights in the correct order for the Corvette. 10, maybe as many as 20, and it'll be blamed on something like slightly different intake and exhaust packaging.
Chevy, Ford, or Dodge it doesn't matter to me. I'll test drive them all! I learned to drive in the Muscle Car Era and was sad to see it go. Here comes the new Muscle Car Era My Son is going to buy a Camaro, V8 of course.
Current rides: 65 Mustang Conv (1st Car - been sitting in the garage most of the last 30 years), 74 Camaro (550+hp 454 - year long project almost done), 90 Camaro (V8 150K miles), 98 Firebird (V6 175K miles), 99 Suburban 4x4 (5.7L w/mods 220K miles), 06 Pony Mustang (V6 20K miles).
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2006 Pony Mustang Auto 4.10 T-Lok C&L Intake Helix Throttle Body Spacer Diablo Predator Tuner Full dual exhaust system with x pipe + GT Takeoffs GT rear bumper/side skirts Hoodscoop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUW0NcFvjZI
The new crapero's come out in 09 correct? In 2010 there is a rumor that mustang v6's will be putting out 260 horses 300 torque and the V8's will be putting out 350 horses380 torque. That would be fun if it is true: )
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My Son is going to buy a Camaro, V8 of course. 