I hope the new camaro can't beat the mustang in any areas, i just can't stand chevy with amny good cars. for chevy one good car is one too many
lol have you seen the projected numbers? Stock for stock Mustangs are owned (im not talking specialty ex. GT500 w/e.) Im talking the average Joe GT and the Average V8 Camaro.
lol have you seen the projected numbers? Stock for stock Mustangs are owned (im not talking specialty ex. GT500 w/e.) Im talking the average Joe GT and the Average V8 Camaro.
Yea, cuz..........specialty performance Mustangs don't count, right? 03/04 Cobras?........never happened, right? GT500?.......what's that??? If the top end Camaro comes out with 500hp and the new top end Mustang has 540hp.........well, that Mustang doesn't count. Is that right? Then if the baseline V8 Mustang (the GT) hits the market with, say 350hp, and the baseline V8 5th gen Camaro come out with 400hp........but costs 3-5k more than the GT.......well, then money doesn't matter, the Camaro is faster. But if you ask a GM diehard to weigh in on the new GT500, they say that the Shelby doesn't count cuz it's more expensive and you can get a new lower model V8 Camaro for cheaper.
I'll put it another way: the money I have tied up in my GT right now is probably close to what a 400ish hp 5th gen Camaro will go for when they hit the lots in a year or two. And with that investment my GT will manhandle said Camaro. So, my question is.........what will be your argument against my slow, cheap GT? Stock for stock comparisons between the upcoming Mustangs and upcoming Camaros will be close to impossible......cuz one will be cheaper and one will be faster stock for stock. IMO, that evens the playing field across the board. And if that turns out to be the case, then arguing stock for stock in terms of bang for buck will be a fools errand. But no doubt, many will do it anyways.
I can tolerate these sorts of hipocritical arguments from stang guys around here cuz so many are disallusioned. But a GM fanboy visiting outside the confines of the Street/strip section needs to keep their arguments more straight and narrow.
In short...........ALL factory production models count when you compare these two cars. Ford doesn't build the GT to compete with anything performance wise. It's built to fill V8 demanding sales volumes. They build specialty model Mustangs to compete with other cars in the performance arena. Don't exclude the Cobra or GT500 just cuz its an inconvenient exception to your world.
I think if chevy put the ls3 in it without detuning and it had 420-430 hp, they would definitely have a slam dunk with the camaro. Especially against the challenger. The challenger is supposed to be a semi low production car and I figure as the most expensive out of the 3 muscle cars. When the camaro comes out with the ls3 is beating dodges hemi and will probably be cheaper. The only thing I don't like about every gen of new cars is they keep getting heavier with new safety regulations its bulls#!t. I keep hearing the new camaro will weigh around 4000! I'm seriously thinking of jumping ships to the land of sports cars and maybe gettin a c6 vette or viper.
lol have you seen the projected numbers? Stock for stock Mustangs are owned (im not talking specialty ex. GT500 w/e.) Im talking the average Joe GT and the Average V8 Camaro.
Yea, cuz..........specialty performance Mustangs don't count, right? 03/04 Cobras?........never happened, right? GT500?.......what's that??? If the top end Camaro comes out with 500hp and the new top end Mustang has 540hp.........well, that Mustang doesn't count. Is that right? Then if the baseline V8 Mustang (the GT) hits the market with, say 350hp, and the baseline V8 5th gen Camaro come out with 400hp........but costs 3-5k more than the GT.......well, then money doesn't matter, the Camaro is faster. But if you ask a GM diehard to weigh in on the new GT500, they say that the Shelby doesn't count cuz it's more expensive and you can get a new lower model V8 Camaro for cheaper.
Well for sake of argument I was talking base vs base model....but if you wana throw in specialty cars well what about the ZL-1's?.......I was just compareing apples to apples....And yea there the MUSTANGS competion....and are priced so. So yea I would say that. 400+hp vs 300ish lol....
i had a 93 z28. probably the worse car i've ever owned maintenance wise. every couple of months something was going on it, even when the mileage was still fairly low. traded it in for my 93 5.0. much more pleased with that, and my 03 mach 1. camaro's are overrated.
And yea there the MUSTANGS competion....and are priced so. So yea I would say that. 400+hp vs 300ish lol....
I don't see any 400hp factory Camaro on the dealership lots right now. Do you? And even if there is a 400hp Camaro out in a year or two, and the Mustang GT is still at 300hp..........I can promise you the Camaro won't MSRP within 5K of the GT. If it does, I wouldn't buy it. Why? Cuz GM will have to have the crappiest, most low grade interior and trim options imaginable to be able to shave down the extra cost of that LS3 motor and IRS. Don't argue with me on the economics of contemporary car performance vs. dollar value. We're here to talk about the now and soon to come pony/musclecars........not what happened during the LT1/SN95 years.
I have a strong feeling that chevy will at least attempt a nice interior with the new camaro. Thats like the number one complaint for anything GM. I even heard they are making minor upgrades for the 08 vette. As I have had a 98 ws6 and currently a 00 SS, trust me I hate riding in my buddies 93 cutlass and looking at basically the same interior in my camaro. One thing I hate especially with foreign car drivers who always make fun of me for driving a domestic is the quality/reliabilty. Maybe I just got lucky but I drove my ws6 from 10 to 100k miles with absolutely no problem. I've had my SS for 30k with no problems. I think the 80s thru early 90s really hurt domestics but nowadays I think there just as reliable as any couch-on-wheels toyota or honda.
I have a strong feeling that chevy will at least attempt a nice interior with the new camaro. Thats like the number one complaint for anything GM. I even heard they are making minor upgrades for the 08 vette. As I have had a 98 ws6 and currently a 00 SS, trust me I hate riding in my buddies 93 cutlass and looking at basically the same interior in my camaro. One thing I hate especially with foreign car drivers who always make fun of me for driving a domestic is the quality/reliabilty. Maybe I just got lucky but I drove my ws6 from 10 to 100k miles with absolutely no problem. I've had my SS for 30k with no problems. I think the 80s thru early 90s really hurt domestics but nowadays I think there just as reliable as any couch-on-wheels toyota or honda.
I have a strong feeling that chevy will at least attempt a nice interior with the new camaro. Thats like the number one complaint for anything GM. I even heard they are making minor upgrades for the 08 vette. As I have had a 98 ws6 and currently a 00 SS, trust me I hate riding in my buddies 93 cutlass and looking at basically the same interior in my camaro. One thing I hate especially with foreign car drivers who always make fun of me for driving a domestic is the quality/reliabilty. Maybe I just got lucky but I drove my ws6 from 10 to 100k miles with absolutely no problem. I've had my SS for 30k with no problems. I think the 80s thru early 90s really hurt domestics but nowadays I think there just as reliable as any couch-on-wheels toyota or honda.
I agree. My poor little 98 V6 Mustang has gone well over 100K miles without a single mechanical or electrical failure.........hell, even the factory battery lasted 7 years. The hood has only been up on that car for oil changes and regular maintenance. It's so funny how we catch flak from import fans who think a domestic vehicle in this day and age can't go 60K miles without falling apart. It's all about a residual image that the Detroit 3's products have........not the current lack of quality/reliability.
GM, Ford, and Chrysler have come a long way since the days where their cars were laughable. Unfortunately, those ppl who moved onto foreign makes, like Toyota, refuse to believe anything has changed. Honestly, the joke's on them. My neighbor bought a brand new Altima about 4 months ago, and he's been back to the dealership with that thing more than my 05 GT has the entire 2 years that I've owned it. Hell, I haven't HAD to bring my GT back to the dealership yet. Don't worry, ppl will start to wake up and smell the roses when Toyota starts making all the same mistakes the Detroit 3 did back in the day.
lol me and you Thisblood may disagree on the whole mustang/camaro thing but I do agree with you on this the build quality on ALL domestics has improved since the mid to late 90's....and the imports are going through the same build quility the big 3 did back in the 80's to mid 90's......history repeats it self.
Well I heard saleen is working on some camaro models. If he does I might get one supercharged. Chevy also admitted they are already working on the almighty ls7 camaro. But it seems if they supercharge the ls2 or ls3, whatever they put in it, that should make over or right at 500hp. I'll be the first one with the ls7, whenever I hear one of these in a z06 I have to go change my underwear. Hopefully it won't be more than 55k.
Even if MSRP is around that price, the "gotta have factor" along with the limited production of the vehicle will push it beyond that. Look at the GT500 and Ford GT, both went for nearly double their MSRP and are still typcially selling above the MSRP. Even the GTO's were like that. So $55K + dealer greed + demand = $75-100K? for the Saleen version first time around??
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On a different forum, theres already people who are calling around to diff. chevy dealerships and asking if they are going to hike the price up. Hes said it was like 50/50, some dealers said don't be surprised for a surcharge, others told him they would honor the MSRP. This is make or break for the camaro and I really hope they don't scare off any potential buyers. If chevy wants a slam dunk they really need to crack down on overcharging, some people who wait for the camaro will see 5-10k over will just go get a mustang or a challenger. I know there wont be any saleen or supercharged versions until 2010, maybe the hype will die a little, and also give me time to schmooz my local dealer into MSRP.
Would rather drive the new challanger then the camero. I'm sure both of those rides will be more costley then the GT. I bet the srt challanger will cost over 40k and it isn't worth that, but it does look really sweet. It will be interesting to see if the camero runs on premium only as well. With crazy gas prices lately I can't see much demand for a car with that gas mileage and having to run premium on top of it. Regular gas was a big seller for me to get the mustang over the gto.
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I don't think camaro will even have a model to go against the gt. I have heard there will be a 300hp V6 option, that would be the closest competitor to the gt, price wise. I'm pretty sure the base z28 model will have 430hp, and an IRS, there is no way that will be close to the gt. It may need premium but it will also have Displacement On Demand. I would expect around 30mpg on the highway, I'm not really worried about gas prices. For gas to start bothering me they would have to get around 6or 7 bucks. Personally I don't want that DOD in my new camaro, I paid for a V8 and thats what I want to hear all the time, and hope its controlled by a computer so it can be hacked and turned off. I think the challenger looks to close to the old one, yea it looks good but I'd rather have a real 70s challenger.
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I like Ford I like Chevy...I have no allegiance to a Motor Company. I have had 9 Mustangs and 1 Camaro and 3 Novas....I don't do the rivalry thing. I probably won't test drive a Camaro anytime soon.
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The hood has only been up on that car for oil changes and regular maintenance. It's so funny how we catch flak from import fans who think a domestic vehicle in this day and age can't go 60K miles without falling apart. It's all about a residual image that the Detroit 3's products have........not the current lack of quality/reliability. 
