oh man you 2 are funny im laughing at it all, so much stuff. makes no sense. that thing sounds like my 87 toy pu sounded when it was running on 3 cyls and my muff clogged blew up. sounds like shiznit.
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Not sure I want to get this back started, but here we go anyways.
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Yeah... I seen that to but there was no sense in keeping an arguement going that is never going to end. I figured he would have said "you said P&P, not a chnge of heads" LOL So I just left it alone.
well technically cams and heads are bolt ons.
DO what??? Then what exacty isnt a bolt on???? The only thing left is the bottom end, what difference is there in swapping that out compared to heads/cams????
I guess the only thing that isnt a bolt on is a engine swap eh? Well technically I guess you do "Bolt it on". So the only things that arnt bolt ons must be stuff glued to the car with crazy glue????
Seriously dude, your saying a car with thousands of dollars of work and SLICKS which makes the car TOTALLY unstreetable (ever try to drive a FWD car on slicks on the street? Can you even make a turn at a stoplight?) running a 13.41 is IMPRESSIVE??
ROFL.
Then you compare it to one of JDs times (not nearly his best) when he is running a car with bolt ons only (and acutally not even full bolt ons, he has no inlet pipe or upper plenum, and I beileve no gears at the time of the run) running on DRAG RADIALS.
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why mod a V8?
Okay when you drive a v8, and then you stomp the gas, watching people turn around and seeing the look on their faces like death is coming, is what its all about.
I have people stop and look at me as it is right now... I've had numerous compliments on the sound and many a thumbsup from pedestrians. whats your point?
Yes people stop and look... and wonder why in gods name you would want your car to sound like a bumblebee. I will bet 100 bucks as of now that the only people that give you a "thumbs up" are the guys in the other lane with the other civic.
Seriously, I have NEVER been standing on a street corner, or at a local hangout (ricer or not) and heard someone say "Man that car sounds badass" when some ricer with a 3 inch fartpipe goes blasting by. If I had, I would be in jail for tazering their ass.
pretty quick? more like a pretty good way to waste money...IMO.
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DO what??? Then what exacty isnt a bolt on???? The only thing left is the bottom end, what difference is there in swapping that out compared to heads/cams????
I guess the only thing that isnt a bolt on is a engine swap eh? Well technically I guess you do "Bolt it on". So the only things that arnt bolt ons must be stuff glued to the car with crazy glue????
Seriously dude, your saying a car with thousands of dollars of work and SLICKS which makes the car TOTALLY unstreetable (ever try to drive a FWD car on slicks on the street? Can you even make a turn at a stoplight?) running a 13.41 is IMPRESSIVE??
ROFL.
Then you compare it to one of JDs times (not nearly his best) when he is running a car with bolt ons only (and acutally not even full bolt ons, he has no inlet pipe or upper plenum, and I beileve no gears at the time of the run) running on DRAG RADIALS.
what exactly isn't a bolt on? internals aren't.
I can pull the head off my car and bolt another one right back on with ARP head bolts. takes an hour. Boom it's been bolted on. wtf is so goddamn hard to understand about that???
That is what the term BOLT ON means.
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Yes people stop and look... and wonder why in gods name you would want your car to sound like a bumblebee. I will bet 100 bucks as of now that the only people that give you a "thumbs up" are the guys in the other lane with the other civic.
Seriously, I have NEVER been standing on a street corner, or at a local hangout (ricer or not) and heard someone say "Man that car sounds badass" when some ricer with a 3 inch fartpipe goes blasting by. If I had, I would be in jail for tazering their ass.
My car doesn't sound like a "bumblebee," in fact I can't even hear the exhaust, idling or revving it. My exhaust is still stock, and when I mod it I'm getting the quietest catback you can get for a Civic Si. So i doubt anyone is wondering that, besides you and your opinion. I've never had anyone in another civic give me a thumbsup, never. I've gotten thumbsup from other CAR ENTHUSIASTS in all different makes and models, Fords, Chevy's, Pontiacs, and other imports like VWs, etc. Hell I had a guy in a truck that saw me take off from a light come up beside me and ask if it's a "factory Hotrod" and then proceeded to tell me that "it moves out pretty good." So if I can get respect from someone with a redneck Domestic truck lovin background... why can't I get the same props from someone like yourself? Too much pride in your "American Built" car I suppose. It's sad really. Everyone here demands my respect for their V8s, but they're completely unwilling to send any love back.
Now... if you say a car with a 3 inch fartpipe sounds good, then you're retarded. I NEVER once said that Neon in the video sounded good. But, being a car enthusiast, I give it it's props and I salute the guy for doing what he wants with his car.
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DO what??? Then what exacty isnt a bolt on???? The only thing left is the bottom end, what difference is there in swapping that out compared to heads/cams????
I guess the only thing that isnt a bolt on is a engine swap eh? Well technically I guess you do "Bolt it on". So the only things that arnt bolt ons must be stuff glued to the car with crazy glue????
Seriously dude, your saying a car with thousands of dollars of work and SLICKS which makes the car TOTALLY unstreetable (ever try to drive a FWD car on slicks on the street? Can you even make a turn at a stoplight?) running a 13.41 is IMPRESSIVE??
ROFL.
Then you compare it to one of JDs times (not nearly his best) when he is running a car with bolt ons only (and acutally not even full bolt ons, he has no inlet pipe or upper plenum, and I beileve no gears at the time of the run) running on DRAG RADIALS.
what exactly isn't a bolt on? internals aren't.
I can pull the head off my car and bolt another one right back on with ARP head bolts. takes an hour. Boom it's been bolted on. wtf is so goddamn hard to understand about that???
That is what the term BOLT ON means.
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Yes people stop and look... and wonder why in gods name you would want your car to sound like a bumblebee. I will bet 100 bucks as of now that the only people that give you a "thumbs up" are the guys in the other lane with the other civic.
Seriously, I have NEVER been standing on a street corner, or at a local hangout (ricer or not) and heard someone say "Man that car sounds badass" when some ricer with a 3 inch fartpipe goes blasting by. If I had, I would be in jail for tazering their ass.
My car doesn't sound like a "bumblebee," in fact I can't even hear the exhaust, idling or revving it. My exhaust is still stock, and when I mod it I'm getting the quietest catback you can get for a Civic Si. So i doubt anyone is wondering that, besides you and your opinion. I've never had anyone in another civic give me a thumbsup, never. I've gotten thumbsup from other CAR ENTHUSIASTS in all different makes and models, Fords, Chevy's, Pontiacs, and other imports like VWs, etc. Hell I had a guy in a truck that saw me take off from a light come up beside me and ask if it's a "factory Hotrod" and then proceeded to tell me that "it moves out pretty good." So if I can get respect from someone with a redneck Domestic truck lovin background... why can't I get the same props from someone like yourself? Too much pride in your "American Built" car I suppose. It's sad really. Everyone here demands my respect for their V8s, but they're completely unwilling to send any love back.
Now... if you say a car with a 3 inch fartpipe sounds good, then you're retarded. I NEVER once said that Neon in the video sounded good. But, being a car enthusiast, I give it it's props and I salute the guy for doing what he wants with his car.
So the definition of a bolt on is anything that has to be bolted on. Well, I can pull out my crank and then bolt a new one back in. You have to bolt the connecting rods back in too.
A bolton is something that you dont have to open up the engine for. This is the accepted definition. Go to any site anywhere in the world and state you want to know what "full boltons" is, and 100 bucks says they say full exaust, upper intake etc. Nobody is gonna say heads except some fool that got proved wrong on mustang forums.
BTW, anyone that asked if your civic si is a "factory hotrod" has gotta be an idiot. Im not gonna sit here and state that my GT, factory or in its current state, is the fastest thing on the road, but stock vs welded in flowmasters and a K&N (re: Stock, might as well be) my friends SI (i beileve 2002?) looked like he had it in reverse from both a stop and a roll. And GTs are considered pretty slow stock in the performance world.
Obviously enough your definitions of bolt on and mine are apparently different, however that does not mean yours is right and mine is wrong, so the only thing you proved wrong today is well... absolutely nothing.
To bolt anything on you're going to have to take apart some piece of the engine. For example, with an intake manifold on a four banger, you have to take off the fuel rail and and a crap load of vacuum lines to even get to it. Your definition makes no sense as everthing BOLTED ONTO the engine is a part of an engine. Whether or not you believe that, I could care less. But it's true.
Onto your little "race" that no one really gives a crap about... You mean to tell me, no bullsh!tting, that your slightly modded and already faster than a stock Civic, GT actually BEAT it??? NO FREAKIN WAY!!! How'd that happen??? wow. I'm just in awe about how your modded V8 beat a stock inline 4. Who would have thought? What the hell does that have ANYTHING to do with this discussion? I don't sit here and compare my car to yours, so why do you keep comparing my car (and others like it) to yours?
When did I ever say that the Civic was the fastest car ever? I didn't. However that doesn't mean it's not a factory hotrod. It's faster than cars with 50% more torque than it has, and for having such a small displacement it's able to keep up with the little bretheren of your big bad 4.6.
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I think the general defination of a bolt-on is any mod that can be done by your average Joe in their driveway. Thinks like cat-backs, pulley's, CAI's etc.
While I know that things such as cams, pistons, headswaps, gears, etc. are "bolted" on in some way or another - I think those thing spush the boundaries of what your average mechanically inclined hotrodder will do themselves - and I wouldn't call those "bolt-ons" myself. I know the name makes it seem as though anything that can be bolted on should count - but its been "understood" that bolt-ons are simple mods that most folks can do themselves.
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I did my full exhaust, longtubes and all (dropped the k-member) in my garage on jackstands, same for the first 2 gear swaps, same for the cams, heads on 4 cars in the last 6 months, but I wouldnt call any of that bolt-on stuff.
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Obviously enough your definitions of bolt on and mine are apparently different, however that does not mean yours is right and mine is wrong, so the only thing you proved wrong today is well... absolutely nothing.
To bolt anything on you're going to have to take apart some piece of the engine. For example, with an intake manifold on a four banger, you have to take off the fuel rail and and a crap load of vacuum lines to even get to it. Your definition makes no sense as everthing BOLTED ONTO the engine is a part of an engine. Whether or not you believe that, I could care less. But it's true.
Onto your little "race" that no one really gives a crap about... You mean to tell me, no bullsh!tting, that your slightly modded and already faster than a stock Civic, GT actually BEAT it??? NO FREAKIN WAY!!! How'd that happen??? wow. I'm just in awe about how your modded V8 beat a stock inline 4. Who would have thought? What the hell does that have ANYTHING to do with this discussion? I don't sit here and compare my car to yours, so why do you keep comparing my car (and others like it) to yours?
When did I ever say that the Civic was the fastest car ever? I didn't. However that doesn't mean it's not a factory hotrod. It's faster than cars with 50% more torque than it has, and for having such a small displacement it's able to keep up with the little bretheren of your big bad 4.6.
Oh and, go ahead. read this for me.
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No, obviously your definintion and EVERYONE ELSES on the interenet is different. As I said, go to ANY performance website and ask what a "bolt on" is, or what "Full boltons" is.
The point of having a term like bolton is that someone can easily tell you they have done no engine work but have most/all of the cheaper mods done to their car that allows the "stolen" energy from the restrictive or ineffecent stock parts to be returned. The engine isnt really making any more power, its just losing less than it was before because of accessorys, or restrictive intake/exaust.
And seriously dude, do you hope that people dont read the previous posts and just think whatever you say is right? I didn't say that my "Big bad GT" whipped a civic, I said that car that nobody I know considers a "factory hot-rod" (and most people consider down right slow stock) competely eats a car you are saying is a factory hot rod.
I still want to know what kind of motorhead thinks that a competely stock Civic SI is a hotrod, and not only that but thinks the exaust sounds good (?). I guess since autoweek says it, it must be true?
We are getting off the point here, the point is that you think a 13.4x is a good number to run at a track on SLICKS with thousands and thousands of dollars into a car, and then make the comparason of JDs 13.50s run with less than full boltons, and no gears, and D/Rs.
I really love how you competely ignore anything that makes you look like a fool while trying to make the unimportant things someone said not only the most important subject, but also come across as the exact opposite of what they were trying to say. Sounds like you need to run for the next democratic presidential spot.
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If you can't oversteer it, it aint worth driving.
What the hell does that have ANYTHING to do with this discussion? I don't sit here and compare my car to yours, so why do you keep comparing my car (and others like it) to yours? 
