Ok, now being my ole V6 buds, i need your opinion. Its come down to crunch time, Ive got two cars Im interested in, but they have what the other doesnt (im going to check out the camaro today). First the beauty.

1978 Camaro 350 V8
600cfm cedelbrock arb
edelbrock intake manifold
chrome valve covers
cragar wheels
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/ColtNix/untitled2.jpg

Now the Beast:
1981 Malibu bored 350 V8
* bored 350
* aluminum heads
* aluminum intake
* nice street cam
* holley double pumper
* electric fan
* dual exhaust with an X pipe
* full length headers
* aluminum radiator
* billet pulleys
* chrome altenator
* chrome valve covers
* Th350 trans
* stage 3 shift kit
* 12-bolt rear end
* 4.11:1 posi
* lowered
* brand new supremes and tires
* new carpet
* shaved trunk lock
* power windows
* grant steering wheel
* triple guages

http://images.craigslist.org/0101000102090103082007061025c6f6e85a1bd3ca01009e24 .jpghttp://images.craigslist.org/01010801020601030720070610d3aef3462761607209003ebd .jpg

Thanks for your opinions, but please put your chevy bias aside lol, just lookin for somehelp from people i can trust

Personally I wouldn't go with either. They're both fugly. And I'm not a Chevy hater. I'm a GM mechanic, actually. I'd look for a first gen Camaro. Everything after those look like poo. Or if you can find a Chevelle or something. Even if it's a POS they're not hard to work on.

I don't like either one, but if I had to choose it would defintely be the Camaro, IMO. The Malibu may be powerful, but it looks like a P.O.S.

The 'maro man. That malibu makes me want to burn my eyes out.

Camaro, tho the Malibu would be a hell of a sleeper though.

The Malibu owner isnt answering the fone... hes out... ill keep looking.. its hard to find a car and check it out when i have to work all damn weekend...

I dont understand why you need something so powerful but I would go with the maro.

Whats your motivation for buyingthe new car, tell us what you want out of it/what the car's purpose is and im sure people will be able to help you.

First of all.. Cominus... think about what you just said... who doesnt want more power here? lol. The car would be a cruiser and a ricer bruiser... Im not much of a street racer and i dont go to the track.. yet... but the ability to run and run fast is a must. I just want to eat ricers in my area and look badass doing it.

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First of all.. Cominus... think about what you just said... who doesnt want more power here? lol. The car would be a cruiser and a ricer bruiser... Im not much of a street racer and i dont go to the track.. yet... but the ability to run and run fast is a must. I just want to eat ricers in my area and look badass doing it.


Then why get a Camaro? lol

the maro will probably make a better DD, but fast and 70s/80s camaros dont go together

car is basically a stock 350, those years put out no more power then my LO3 car, and are a little bit heavier, basically, you have a low 16 second "monster"[8D]

not flaming on the cars you want. but gettin the camaro it'd be like getting a new edge sixer. they came with 185 hp stock and way a crap load....i raced one and killed it.

whatch this video.
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/v6+mustang/1/0df1ae36-dafb-4d30-9917-98f101141642.htm
just my opinion

i think u are lookin in the wrong direction but i voted maro

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not flaming on the cars you want. but gettin the camaro it'd be like getting a new edge sixer. they came with 185 hp stock and way a crap load....i raced one and killed it.

whatch this video.
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/v6+mustang/1/0df1ae36-dafb-4d30-9917-98f101141642.htm
just my opinion


That maro had the 305 which sux. The 350 should be better, but not to much.

still though the350 came with 185 hp

Does it have to be an old car? Honestly if you want a V8 and power for not that much go for an LT1 camaro 93-97 Z28. You can probably pick a nice one up for maybe $5,000 and you'll be beating new edge GTs.

Well, heres my report on the all to pos Camaro... The guy lied me into coming out.... It had a nice engine, nice glasspack exhaust.. loud as a muther... BUT the body wasnt fit for me to **** on.... It had a hole taken out of the body and i could see into the panel... the tail light was almost gone... stratched up.. dented.. rims were rusted cragars... and the interior.. oooooh boy... it had not head liner... the RED interior was gone to ****.. it was baaaaaad.... worst of all tho it didnt have power brakes.... wtf is up with that? and ive driven in cars w/o power brakes ONCE and they stopped with a little more effort than one with power brakes... but this.. this was like trying to stop the car like fred flintstone.. i had to pump pump and pump some more... The guy didnt tell me this until after i had started driving it... and i found the hard way it didnt have pwr brakes.... lol now dont flame me, technically its not my fault since he didnt tell me.. but i backed into a toyota lol. [8D]I was turning around to head it back to his house and i pressed the brakes and he goes oh yah no power brakes, pump. So i start pumping but nothing was happening so i turn sharp and avoid the lexus... (thank god) but it was too late... WHAM... right into a early 90s camry... now it was kind of funny in a way.. and i was upset when it happened.. but now i reflect and laugh.. The guy was selling it for 3500... it was a low 2000 mid 1000 dollar car... so what if it was a "classic" with a V8.. So, i had to pay 200 for the "damage" or lack there of.. to his metal block of ****.. (which had a minor scratch.. nothing new to this car... but the camry was FUUUUUUUUUCKED lol... but i felt bad so i left a card... theres a nother 1000 or so for a new bumper and quarter panel for a camry.. aaahhh what a beautiful day [8D].... But i come to find... most camaros of the 70s had PBs... this guys car was just a **** wagon...

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Does it have to be an old car? Honestly if you want a V8 and power for not that much go for an LT1 camaro 93-97 Z28. You can probably pick a nice one up for maybe $5,000 and you'll be beating new edge GTs.


Id kill for a new Camaro and especially for a edge gt... I saw one on the road today... HOOOOOT as ****, almost came in my pants.. not gonna lie. BUT.. my buying budget doesnt allow it, especially after tonight lol. Im gonna save up till august (my birthday) when i should get a hefty sum of money from family (parents are divorced=tons of grandparents) and paychecks from work. Ill look for a car thats... in better condition.

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Does it have to be an old car? Honestly if you want a V8 and power for not that much go for an LT1 camaro 93-97 Z28. You can probably pick a nice one up for maybe $5,000 and you'll be beating new edge GTs.


Id kill for a new Camaro and especially for a edge gt... I saw one on the road today... HOOOOOT as ****, almost came in my pants.. not gonna lie. BUT.. my buying budget doesnt allow it, especially after tonight lol. Im gonna save up till august (my birthday) when i should get a hefty sum of money from family (parents are divorced=tons of grandparents) and paychecks from work. Ill look for a car thats... in better condition.


why not get an SN95 5.0? those can be had for quite a reasonable price. wouldn't even be that much to insure. an older 70s camaro is going to get burned by some NA 4cyl cars on the road now a days :D

If I get another EFI stang it would be a Notchback fox GT, or an edge GT. I found a nice 67 GTthat needs a shot of paint and some new tires, and its got power brakes[8D].

But are ugly as hell to me as well, however, the Camaro looks 10X better than the Malibu. I'd say what I think the Malibu looks like...................but I'm not in the mood to get banned.:D

Well read the whole thing, sucks what happened to you. Just as I told you, old cars don't have all the advantages of new cars, hense why they put the newer stuff into them. An old V8 is good for only a couple of things.

1.) Bragging rights, in other words just saying that you have a classic muscle car.
2.) Building serrious drag cars. Carb systems, while outdated by modern standards, make excellent drag cars, but aren't the best for a DD.
3.) Being a money pit as they're guranteed to eat up every dollar you earn.

As we've all stated, I hope this is a lesson to you to buy a new car and not an older car. You're not, and I do mean not going to find a daily drivable car that's reliable for under 10K if it's older than 25 years becauseserrious restoration has to go into them to keep them going safely and effeciently.

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Well read the whole thing, sucks what happened to you. Just as I told you, old cars don't have all the advantages of new cars, hense why they put the newer stuff into them. An old V8 is good for only a couple of things.

1.) Bragging rights, in other words just saying that you have a classic muscle car.
2.) Building serrious drag cars. Carb systems, while outdated by modern standards, make excellent drag cars, but aren't the best for a DD.
3.) Being a money pit as they're guranteed to eat up every dollar you earn.

As we've all stated, I hope this is a lesson to you to buy a new car and not an older car. You're not, and I do mean not going to find a daily drivable car that's reliable for under 10K if it's older than 25 years becauseserrious restoration has to go into them to keep them going safely and effeciently.


+1 ive been driving the 6 hitter around instead of the maro cause it just needs sooo many little things that it costs wayyy to much to fix and i can afford it, basically, its going to sit in my driveway as an "if i absolutely must go somewhere and there are no other cars here" ride until my 18th bday when i get my N/A cobra:D

Well, i have come to find, that it is rare to find a 70s camaro with out power brakes... I think that there wasalso something wrong with the brake lines, i had to pump that thing like there was no tomorrow. What do you all think about theNotchbacks? Could i get a decent amount of power out of em easily? I mean if possible id love to get a carbd engine just so i can trick it out and finish high school with those bragging rights [8D]there are several kids at my school with 70 and older carscamaro, 68 mustang and a plymouth something... So it would be mainly for bragging rights lol.

i hope you have a LOT of money, or atleast mommy and daddy do

why not a fox body?

I still say buy something like this, cant beat the price of these for how much power an LT1 has...

http://tinyurl.com/36hptq (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-LT1-1994-Chevrolte-Camaro-Z28-LT1-White-T-Tops_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6161QQihZ012QQitem Z220121459312QQrdZ1)

this is true. LT1s are pretty even with a new edge GT.

ORIGINAL: nanaki

this is true. LT1s are pretty even with a new edge GT.


Yea they're like 265 stock, but newer camaros were underrated from the factory. I know LS1 power ratings from the factory were at the wheels, so most people dont know they have 300+ stock, im not sure if thats so for LT1s or not. I think an LT1 Vs. new edge the camaro takes it, and for 4500 for one with less than 100,000 miles thats not too bad.

Im still in the market for classic/notchbacks/edgeGTs and Camaros, Notchbacks are fox bodies, i just dont like the hatchbacks/verts... Also Im having a hard time finding a newer camaro with a V8 in my area thats not a 91 and older.

Finally, the best news of my life. The insurance company found the owner of the car to blame for the damages. His negligence with the brakes and knowingly let me drive the car so its on his head not mine.

Exactly how much are you willing to spend on this new car?

well, not that im not liable for the Camry, about 4000-4500.

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well, not that im not liable for the Camry, about 4000-4500.


Most cars you get for around that price are going to require a little TLC ... You can definitely get a cheap 5.0 and fix it up for around that price.

for $4500? you can get a pretty well built fox for that with low miles. they have all out drag cars for $6500 that are fox's.

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Well, i have come to find, that it is rare to find a 70s camaro with out power brakes... I think that there wasalso something wrong with the brake lines, i had to pump that thing like there was no tomorrow. What do you all think about theNotchbacks? Could i get a decent amount of power out of em easily? I mean if possible id love to get a carbd engine just so i can trick it out and finish high school with those bragging rights [8D]there are several kids at my school with 70 and older carscamaro, 68 mustang and a plymouth something... So it would be mainly for bragging rights lol.




Fu** High School man. Just for wanting bragging rights for owning a 70/80's camaro you had to pay $1,200. Not knowing it didn't have power breaks is fine, but, nowimagine all the money you're going to spend on other things you don't know of yet?

Well I just kept reading this thread and was happy to see you didn't have to pay for damages. Now don't let it happen again [:@] - I second the idea of buying a 5.0.

Be patient and wait for the new camaro to come out. They are cool.Lol though because I love my 07 stang

Lol id have to rob a few banks to get a new camaro. BUT I took what you all and others are saying into consideration, im going to wait til august to get a car. After my birthday and several months of paychecks i should have a couple grand more to buy a Camaro/Mustang in better condition that needs maybe some paint and stuff. But come to find out the guy didnt have insurance so I had to pay for everthing in the long run.... I called him and told him the law says the Liability follows the car and that id pay the lady for the camry if he would give me his insurance info and pay me back later. He told me he took the coverage off the car to sell it.. SO hes letting OTHER people drive his car without insurance which is pretty damn illegal. When I asked him to help me out with the cost since hes liable and should have known the riskof driving the car without insurance... He told me to "pound sand" and not contact him again... so I was likewtf doesthat mean? I had my dad call him and hedidnt answer so my dad left a message and the guy hasnt called back kuz he was too much of a pussy.Now my dad (whos a cop) is getting Everett PD to serve him a ticket for about 1000 dollars. I was going to take him to small claims court, but my dad says the guy makes less money than i do so it wouldnt be worth it.. SO my dad said he n my step mom might beable to help me out in august get a car from a dealership, and i told him 4th gen Camaro V8 or New Edge GT and he said it was a possibility, but i am still looking for a Muscle car only im changing my price range. The higher the price the less thats wrong with it is what my dad says, so ive found a couple buddies who are experienced and own 2nd generation camaros, my uncle is a mechanic, and my grandpa used to race down in florida and portland, he had a 1967 Chevelle with a 350, so he knows his stuff.

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Lol id have to rob a few banks to get a new camaro. BUT I took what you all and others are saying into consideration, im going to wait til august to get a car. After my birthday and several months of paychecks i should have a couple grand more to buy a Camaro/Mustang in better condition that needs maybe some paint and stuff. But come to find out the guy didnt have insurance so I had to pay for everthing in the long run.... I called him and told him the law says the Liability follows the car and that id pay the lady for the camry if he would give me his insurance info and pay me back later. He told me he took the coverage off the car to sell it.. SO hes letting OTHER people drive his car without insurance which is pretty damn illegal. When I asked him to help me out with the cost since hes liable and should have known the riskof driving the car without insurance... He told me to "pound sand" and not contact him again... so I was likewtf doesthat mean? I had my dad call him and hedidnt answer so my dad left a message and the guy hasnt called back kuz he was too much of a pussy.Now my dad (whos a cop) is getting Everett PD to serve him a ticket for about 1000 dollars. I was going to take him to small claims court, but my dad says the guy makes less money than i do so it wouldnt be worth it.. SO my dad said he n my step mom might beable to help me out in august get a car from a dealership, and i told him 4th gen Camaro V8 or New Edge GT and he said it was a possibility, but i am still looking for a Muscle car only im changing my price range. The higher the price the less thats wrong with it is what my dad says, so ive found a couple buddies who are experienced and own 2nd generation camaros, my uncle is a mechanic, and my grandpa used to race down in florida and portland, he had a 1967 Chevelle with a 350, so he knows his stuff.


Thank God you learned! :D

lol learned what exactly, ive learned alot of things over the past week... good and bad haha. (only good thing in this situation is that this "accident" wont raise my insurance.. since i have none...and i didnt get a ****ty overpriced rolling block of ironlol)

I cant decide tho, all theCamaros and edges i find areeither6s or expensive, and i dont want to deal withEFI anymore...My grandpa took one look under the hood when i had my mustangand said he would never touch anything that had sooo many components and wires and all that crap and i agree, I want to beable to wake upsaturday morning and go work onthe car... I mean not fix it up persay but mod it, ya kno wake up, install thisor thaton the interior or under the hood. I meanits not just for bragging rights that I own a bad ass muscle car, its saying that I put together something by my own hand... I mean yeah i could say that for my mustang.. since it only had a cai lol.Plus I want to scare small children withascreaming exhaust system.... Little kids are around this area in hordes now that school is almost over... its like a friggin locus migration.. they go somewhere trash it and go somewhere else.. the gym is packed.. the popular grocery store hangouts are full of kids the lake is always busy so I cant go fishing... wow... I digress... I just want a muscle car for reasons of my own, not to impress others as much as myself with what i can do.

I still don't know why you don't want EFI. Carbs are just a brand new set of pains and potential problems. At least with EFI you can just plug your car into a computer and be told the problem.

Yeah, but with a carbbed engine a bunch of your friends and you can go into your garage one weekend and work on your car and get 100hp out of your engine yourself, with EFI you have to sit there and program this and unplugg rewire this... its just too confusing.. Believe me if i could get a 99-04 Mustang GT or1994-2003 Camaro5.7L I would and not worry about modding too much, I mean the camaro is already faster than hell... I wouldnt really need to mod em. For me tho muscle cars are just more appealing and with the right combination of components, interior/exterior dress and sound they are attention getters, with the late model mustang/camaro its like... wow there goes another GT... Its not a big deal. But when I see the 1971 Dodge Charger with its lime greenish color and its big blower that lives around me, it turns heads... Thats what i want lol.

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Yeah, but with a carbbed engine a bunch of your friends and you can go into your garage one weekend and work on your car and get 100hp out of your engine yourself, with EFI you have to sit there and program this and unplugg rewire this... its just too confusing.. Believe me if i could get a 99-04 Mustang GT or1994-2003 Camaro5.7L I would and not worry about modding too much, I mean the camaro is already faster than hell... I wouldnt really need to mod em. For me tho muscle cars are just more appealing and with the right combination of components, interior/exterior dress and sound they are attention getters, with the late model mustang/camaro its like... wow there goes another GT... Its not a big deal. But when I see the 1971 Dodge Charger with its lime greenish color and its big blower that lives around me, it turns heads... Thats what i want lol.


The money you spend repairing an older carbed car could be money you spend modifying an SN-95, New Edge, or Trans Am (I don't like Camaro's).

That depends on the condition of the car, and im keeping my eye out and i know what to look for because ive done nothing but research. Trans am are in the search, but their basically the same car lol.

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That depends on the condition of the car, and im keeping my eye out and i know what to look for because ive done nothing but research. Trans am are in the search, but their basically the same car lol.


If you can get your limit up to 8,000 - 12,000 you can get a nice Edge GT or even 99 or 01 Cobra.

99-01 cobra is out the window, maybe sn95 cobra, but the insurance on a 99-01 would be tooooo great.

this kid is a god damn nut a 71 charger as a daily driver umm hello wake up

im not getting a 71 charger 1st of all... 2nd of all i know kids who drive classic mustangs and camaros daily and pay for it too... and 3rd, daily driving is maybe5 minsaway and back for work, My school is less than a mile away and i work down the road...

buy a nice crotch rocket then:D

ever thought about a 442? They're pretty decent muscle cars, and can be cheaper bc they're a little less known.

LT1, L98 third gen, sn95 cobras, buick T-types, 5.0 mustangs, look around theres deals out there, try and get something either newer or well taken care of, my turd gen has 208k on it and theres starting to be a LOT of little problems and i cant afford it any more[&o]

Oh yeah, im lookin dont worry, but a 442 has what a 454 in it? those are really hard to find, even the clones cost a pretty penny. As for a crotch rocket, knowing me id fall off and kill myself.... althought it would be fun lol. Im looking at late model GTs and Z28s, kuz unless i make up for what i lost, i wont be getting a late model muscle car. I can afford to buy one right now, but i wouldnt have enough money to pay for the opening insurance rate... If they were to just charge me the monthly rate right off the bat id have a "muscle car" and be driving it by now..

You can find 1984-1996 Corvettes in nice shape for 6-8K. And with some mods these things can really get up and go. stay away from the 84 model though.

Eh... never really been a corvette fan... mainly the stingrays.. but after the stringrays and before the later models looked boring and bland..

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Oh yeah, im lookin dont worry, but a 442 has what a 454 in it? those are really hard to find, even the clones cost a pretty penny. As for a crotch rocket, knowing me id fall off and kill myself.... althought it would be fun lol. Im looking at late model GTs and Z28s, kuz unless i make up for what i lost, i wont be getting a late model muscle car. I can afford to buy one right now, but i wouldnt have enough money to pay for the opening insurance rate... If they were to just charge me the monthly rate right off the bat id have a "muscle car" and be driving it by now..


no 442s have a 3XX or something. cant quite think of the number at the curent moment

442 = 4 barrel, 4 speed, dual(2) exhaust

No, thats a clone.. clones have 350s and original Cutlass 442s have 454. That might just be depending on the year.. let me look... butI watched a special on it yesterday lol. I found some clones for like 6k.

1965-1973 hey came with options for 400-455s as well as 350s.

olds never had a 454. they had a 400 and a 455. 454 was chevy only, every other GM used a 455

yes, NYstang is right, they were "rocket" 455's. A 442 isn't so much expensive around me, just rare.

you want a head turner? get a Honda with a bog wing and painted pink, you want a head turner, but still a mustang, get a black mustang with the vynyl of a fat naked chick on it, im sure ull get more looks than anyone! -Jon

that's actually a really good idea

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you want a head turner? get a Honda with a bog wing and painted pink, you want a head turner, but still a mustang, get a black mustang with the vynyl of a fat naked chick on it, im sure ull get more looks than anyone! -Jon


Hey! Thanks! I appriciate your advice buddy!