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eaglecatcher -> Rant on slow sixxer (6/7/2007 11:56:53 PM)

I still can't for the life of me figure out why these mustangs are so damn slow.  Mine is a 98, and its got a 3.8L v6, thats a monster engine by normal standards, yet its slower than a ****ing accord.  I mean, why did ford not charge people a little more on the base price, and make use of the massive amount of displacement they have, instead of slacking off and making a ridiculously slow car.  I mean, a 9 second 0-60 time is pathetic.  You've got Nissans with much smaller engines, like the 300ZX has a 3.0L V6, and its got 222hp, the Maxima has 3.5L V6 making 255hp, and the 350Z has a 3.5L v6, and it makes over 300hp.  Hondas Accord 3L V6 makes 244hp.  That car is an econo sedan, that is faster than my car, and gets better gas mileage.  I don't see why someone would buy a mustang over the rest of the cars out there.  Well, you ask why did i buy one then? I'll tell you.  I turned 16, and my parents offered to buy me a car.  I just took whatever car they would get me, and a mustang was the only car oferred that I really liked (I didn't know anything about how terrible they were), so I took it.  Far be it from me to turn down a free car.

I was called unpatriotic in another thread for saying I'd rather buy a 15 year old 300ZX than a Mustang, and that I'd rather pay the repairs on such an old car than drive a new car that is horribly designed.  Ford made one of the crappiest cars (excluding the pinto, yugo, etc).  The engine is extrmeely underpowered, I coudl get better fuel efficiency driving a V8 Corvette, and the solid rear axle is the worst idea since fart cans on civics.  I'm sorry, but these cars are just terribly engineered, and are the least bang for the buck out there.  Feel free to complain all you want, but in the end, the only reason the mustang sells is because people know its name.  There is no car behind the name anymore, all you buy is the name when you buy a mustang.

  
wmrcer -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 12:10:54 AM)

i totally agree....i almost got one for 3000......had the cobra rims,exhaust already and thought it was a great deal.....but THANK GOD I DIDNT...

02MustangV6DD -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 12:15:12 AM)

Ford really made the Yugo? That was the first car i ever drove, and it was a small peice but it still runs to today and we treat it like ****. Thats not unpatriotic at all, i belive if you dont buy American youare not helping your own country. But what in 98 Would you rather have? Whats the price differences? The V6 isnt made to go fast, its made to sell

amrcnidyot -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 12:18:11 AM)

wtf, they may not be the best cars ever but your comparing cars made today to a car made over 10 years ago....uhhh BIG difference

Chr1s46536 -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 12:18:37 AM)

Yea and all those cars you mentioned cost more tard.........  These cars arent slow for how inexpensive they are.  If you look at how much the cars cost new, the more expensive the car, the faster it probably is.  Just like some ferraris may have a much smaller displacement that a 350 chevy but which is faster? Its not about size of the engine, you get what you pay for.  Dont expect a cheap car to be fast no matter how big the engine is........

85GTsleeper -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 12:24:13 AM)

first of all the pinto was a badass car. second the 6 isnt made to go fast stock its there for price and better economy then the v8. and no they dont buy them for the name. thats why people buy camaros [8D]

eaglecatcher -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 1:54:25 AM)

ok I may be comparing it to newer cars, but the maximas made at the same time are still a ****load faster than my car.  NO ford didn't make the yugo, but thats a pretty sad car nonetheless.  I was just using the new cars for comparison, but I'll fidn the numbers for the old cars.  Regardless, just about any V6 ever made is more powerful than the ford 3.8 in the mustang.  It handles like crap, and its slow as a mofo.   I know guys with V8's that get about the same, just a tad worse mileage than my V6.  Why would you buy a car thats slow, and gets bad gas mileage?  Pick one or the other.  If your car gets bad mileage, at least have it be fast.  I could drive a slow car, if it got good gas mileage no problem, but I can't deal with having bad mileage and bad performance.  Ok, the 98 Maxima made 190hp, adn 205 torque.  Better numbers froma  smaller engine.  The 98 camaro makes 200hp and 220 torque with the same size engine.  Theres something wrong here.  If you've got two engines the same size, and both cars cost about the asme, why is one a hell of a lot faster than the other?  Bad engineering.  the Z31 300ZX (older version), made in the 80's, made 160hp.  thats 10 years earlier, and it makes more horespower, from a smaller engine, and gets better mileage.  The Z32 3.0L V6 made 222hp.  It made more power, yet came out 8 years earlier than my car.  yes it cost more, but due to depreciation, I can buy one of those for the same price as a 98 V6, so they are equal comparisons.

The least ford could have done was used a smaller engine and gotten better fuel economy and the same power.  They just continue to sell cars because people don't know any better.  Out of all the cars made in 98, I"d rather have just about anything besides a mustang.  Heck, I would honestly rather drive a Civic than this.  I could save so much more money on gas, get similar performance, and save more money so I can sell this POS and buy a 300ZX in a couple years.


Tiny1987 -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 1:54:26 AM)

plus import cars are smaller and lighter than domestic look at the weight of your car on the door sill tag, its pretty high and look at the size difference mustangs are long cars with a lot of heavy parts, an import is small and made light so that it is more fuel efficient and i think that if you have two cars with the exact same displacement but ones smaller and lighter which do you think will be faster?

eaglecatcher -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 1:57:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Tiny1987

plus import cars are smaller and lighter than domestic look at the weight of your car on the door sill tag, its pretty high and look at the size difference mustangs are long cars with a lot of heavy parts, an import is small and made light so that it is more fuel efficient and i think that if you have two cars with the exact same displacement but ones smaller and lighter which do you think will be faster?


true as well.  imports are smaller, lighter, TURN BETTER (even my dad's Yukon has a tighter turn radius than my mustang), and are faster and get better mileage.  There are damn Jap/Korean SUVS that get better gas mileage than my mustang.

cobra232 -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 2:00:47 AM)

OK here is a good comparasion. take an 88 305 IROC and race it with the 98 3.8. they will run pretty much the same. i outran an 87 350 TA by about 1 car when my 98 was stock.

yeah the singleports were slow but for a reason. the V8's were not that fast and if they made the V6's faster then who would buy the V8???

all the cars you mention cannot even come close to the power potential of the 98 3.8L ford engine.

get over the fact that you bought a base model that doesn't run 13.5

Tiny1987 -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 2:02:35 AM)

look i work at a toyota dealership (don't ask why) and i know all about the jap cars getting great fuel milage but try and find add ons for them, the mustang was designed for a person to tune it how they please with thousands of parts stores carrying parts for them in stock, but if you go up to the counter asking for a water pump for a 300zx they'll tel you to come back in a week or 2 when it comes in. plus i've raced a '90s era civec in my mustang which is bare bones stock and blew his doors off...it cost me a $402 ticket but i beat him lol

simpsonfan13 -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 2:04:50 AM)

yea but the op does have a point the six is WAY underpowered
personally i think that the setup should be as follows
sixer~250hp
GT~300BHP
mach, boss, bulit?~400hp
GT500~500 DUH

eaglecatcher -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 2:13:41 AM)

ok, take the mustang I have, and put the 300ZX I want up against it.  You race them both stock, and the Z will kill the mustang.  Put 10 grand into both, and the Z will still kill the mustang.  Even though the NA 300ZXs respond very lackluster to mods, it would still kill a mustang.  to get any decent power out of the 3.8 for a decent price, you've got to go F/I, and if you go F/I with the mustang, that makes it fair to go F/I with the Z, and a 300ZXTT will kill pretty much any mustang ever made (stock ones).  No it wont take two weeks to get a water pump in for the Z, here in Dallas, there is a Nissan Dealer that specializes in 300ZX parts.  They are pretty much the largest 300ZX parts dealer in the US, and they have everything, so no it wouldn't take 2 weeks to get a water pump.  I had to get my ujoint on my driveshaft replaced, and it took about 3 days to get one, and thats how long it would take to get something fromthe Nissan dealer.  Dont getmad at me just because ford doesn't put any R&D into their cars like japanese manufs do.  They actually care about earning our business.  Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.

02 Stang -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 2:17:05 AM)

Lets compare my year Mustang.

2002 V6 Mustang - $17,475 (I'm using all base packages)
-Curb Weight: 3066 lbs
-3.8L OHV 232 V6
-193 HP
-225 TQ
-EPA: 20 City, 29 Highway

2002 Honda Civic SOHC I4 - $12,810
-Curb Weight: 2744 lbs
-1.7L 102 I4
-127 HP
-114 TQ
-EPA: 32/37

2002 Honda Civic DOHC I4 - $19,000
-Curb Weight: 2744 lbs
-2.0L 122 I4
-160 HP
-132 TQ
-26/30

2002 Acura Integra - $21,050
-Curb Weight: 2703 lbs
-1.8L DOHC I4 110ci
-195 HP
-130 TQ
-25/31

2002 Mitsubishi Eclipse - $21,147
-Curb Weight: 3042
-2.4L OHC I4 149ci
-145 HP
-163 TQ
-20/28

You get what you paid for. I have the largest engine, the most power (close to Integra), and the most torque by a LOT. Throw in the fact that I would MUCH rather be seen in a Mustang than any of those 4 bangers or 6cyls and you have the reason that I own a V6 Mustang. Don't compare it to cars of greater value, compare it to cars of equal value, then you start getting places.

simpsonfan13 -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 2:20:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.


trye unfourtunately, and not to hijack but the interior build quality = crap

laserred02 -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 2:23:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

ok, take the mustang I have, and put the 300ZX I want up against it.  You race them both stock, and the Z will kill the mustang.  Put 10 grand into both, and the Z will still kill the mustang.  Even though the NA 300ZXs respond very lackluster to mods, it would still kill a mustang.  to get any decent power out of the 3.8 for a decent price, you've got to go F/I, and if you go F/I with the mustang, that makes it fair to go F/I with the Z, and a 300ZXTT will kill pretty much any mustang ever made (stock ones).  No it wont take two weeks to get a water pump in for the Z, here in Dallas, there is a Nissan Dealer that specializes in 300ZX parts.  They are pretty much the largest 300ZX parts dealer in the US, and they have everything, so no it wouldn't take 2 weeks to get a water pump.  I had to get my ujoint on my driveshaft replaced, and it took about 3 days to get one, and thats how long it would take to get something fromthe Nissan dealer.  Dont getmad at me just because ford doesn't put any R&D into their cars like japanese manufs do.  They actually care about earning our business.  Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.


ok the 99-04 3.8l puts out 190 bhp and 220 ft/lbs of tq. it is the base model, and i bought mine new for 15,500. tell me what the japanese offered 5 years ago when i bought my car for that price, power, style. ford's 3.5liter ohc v-6 puts out 265-285 hp, and will be in the fusion and five hundred, with that engine you will be approaching 25-30k dollars, which is what a comparable accord/maxima/camry will cost. that is also what a 300 hp 4.6l ohc mustang will cost. you are comparing cars that aren't in the same price range, the range the cars you are bithcing about are in is mustang GT price range. you say ford doesn't put R&D into their cars and manufacturing but how come the mustang and mercury milan (i.e. fusion) won best in class for initial quality and value by JD Power and Associates?

also hte largest 300zx dealer in the country takes 3 days to get a part, can you imagine if you didn't live by the "largest" dealer how easy it would be to get parts. think about it.

cobra232 -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 2:24:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

ok, take the mustang I have, and put the 300ZX I want up against it.  You race them both stock, and the Z will kill the mustang.  Put 10 grand into both, and the Z will still kill the mustang.  Even though the NA 300ZXs respond very lackluster to mods, it would still kill a mustang.  to get any decent power out of the 3.8 for a decent price, you've got to go F/I, and if you go F/I with the mustang, that makes it fair to go F/I with the Z, and a 300ZXTT will kill pretty much any mustang ever made (stock ones).  No it wont take two weeks to get a water pump in for the Z, here in Dallas, there is a Nissan Dealer that specializes in 300ZX parts.  They are pretty much the largest 300ZX parts dealer in the US, and they have everything, so no it wouldn't take 2 weeks to get a water pump.  I had to get my ujoint on my driveshaft replaced, and it took about 3 days to get one, and thats how long it would take to get something fromthe Nissan dealer.  Dont getmad at me just because ford doesn't put any R&D into their cars like japanese manufs do.  They actually care about earning our business.  Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.


dude have you ever built an engine in you entire life?????????

i think not.

1. the 300ZX TT is a top of the line model not a base model. take a NA 300 ZX and it will not outrun the stang by more than 1 car.

if it took you that long to find a U-joint for your stang then it's your fault cause everybody carries them.

R&D for Jap cars is no different than american cars. take a base model Nissan Sentra and compare it with a base model stang. same slow ass soft riding fuel efficient type of a car.


$10,000 into a 3.8 will get you into the mid to low 10's with a 3.8. it will barely get the 300 ZX rebuilt to handle the boost to get into the 11's on the 300ZXTT.


please quit making incredibly uneducated rants based on paper stats on a top of the line model VS a base model. your really making yourself look really dumb and it's really sad

02 Stang -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 2:24:32 AM)

@ Laserred, look a few posts up. [:D]

laserred02 -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 2:26:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: 02 Stang

@ Laserred, look a few posts up. [:D]


yeah i must have been typing as you posted, thanks for taking the time to put numbers down [:D]

Tiny1987 -> RE: Rant on slow sixxer (6/8/2007 2:32:42 AM)

look if you hate your stang then sell it to someone who will apreciate it and quit your bitching and go buy your 300zx

  

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