I still can't for the life of me figure out why these mustangs are so damn slow. Mine is a 98, and its got a 3.8L v6, thats a monster engine by normal standards, yet its slower than a ****ing accord. I mean, why did ford not charge people a little more on the base price, and make use of the massive amount of displacement they have, instead of slacking off and making a ridiculously slow car. I mean, a 9 second 0-60 time is pathetic. You've got Nissans with much smaller engines, like the 300ZX has a 3.0L V6, and its got 222hp, the Maxima has 3.5L V6 making 255hp, and the 350Z has a 3.5L v6, and it makes over 300hp. Hondas Accord 3L V6 makes 244hp. That car is an econo sedan, that is faster than my car, and gets better gas mileage. I don't see why someone would buy a mustang over the rest of the cars out there. Well, you ask why did i buy one then? I'll tell you. I turned 16, and my parents offered to buy me a car. I just took whatever car they would get me, and a mustang was the only car oferred that I really liked (I didn't know anything about how terrible they were), so I took it. Far be it from me to turn down a free car.

I was called unpatriotic in another thread for saying I'd rather buy a 15 year old 300ZX than a Mustang, and that I'd rather pay the repairs on such an old car than drive a new car that is horribly designed. Ford made one of the crappiest cars (excluding the pinto, yugo, etc). The engine is extrmeely underpowered, I coudl get better fuel efficiency driving a V8 Corvette, and the solid rear axle is the worst idea since fart cans on civics. I'm sorry, but these cars are just terribly engineered, and are the least bang for the buck out there. Feel free to complain all you want, but in the end, the only reason the mustang sells is because people know its name. There is no car behind the name anymore, all you buy is the name when you buy a mustang.

i totally agree....i almost got one for 3000......had the cobra rims,exhaust already and thought it was a great deal.....but THANK GOD I DIDNT...

Ford really made the Yugo? That was the first car i ever drove, and it was a small peice but it still runs to today and we treat it like ****. Thats not unpatriotic at all, i belive if you dont buy American youare not helping your own country. But what in 98 Would you rather have? Whats the price differences? The V6 isnt made to go fast, its made to sell

wtf, they may not be the best cars ever but your comparing cars made today to a car made over10 years ago....uhhh BIG difference

Yea and all those cars you mentioned cost more tard......... These cars arent slow for how inexpensive they are. If you look at how much the cars cost new, the more expensive the car, the faster it probably is. Just like some ferraris may have a much smaller displacement that a 350 chevy but which is faster? Its not about size of the engine, you get what you pay for. Dont expect a cheap car to be fast no matter how big the engine is........

first of all the pinto was a badass car. second the 6 isnt made to go fast stock its there for price and better economy then the v8. and no they dont buy them for the name. thats why people buy camaros [8D]

ok I may be comparing it to newer cars, but the maximas made at the same time are still a ****load faster than my car. NO ford didn't make the yugo, but thats a pretty sad car nonetheless. I was just using the new cars for comparison, but I'll fidn the numbers for the old cars. Regardless, just about any V6 ever made is more powerful than the ford 3.8 in the mustang. It handles like crap, and its slow as a mofo. I know guys with V8's that get about the same, just a tad worse mileage than my V6. Why would you buy a car thats slow, and gets bad gas mileage? Pick one or the other. If your car gets bad mileage, at least have it be fast. I could drive a slow car, if it got good gas mileage no problem, but I can't deal with having bad mileage and bad performance. Ok, the 98 Maxima made 190hp, adn 205 torque. Better numbers froma smaller engine. The 98 camaro makes 200hp and 220 torque with the same size engine. Theres something wrong here. If you've got two engines the same size, and both cars cost about the asme, why is one a hell of a lot faster than the other? Bad engineering. the Z31 300ZX (older version), made in the 80's, made 160hp. thats 10 years earlier, and it makes more horespower, from a smaller engine, and gets better mileage. The Z32 3.0L V6 made 222hp. It made more power, yet came out 8 years earlier than my car. yes it cost more, but due to depreciation, I can buy one of those for the same price as a 98 V6, so they are equal comparisons.

The least ford could have done was used a smaller engine and gotten better fuel economy and the same power. They just continue to sell cars because people don't know any better. Out of all the cars made in 98, I"d rather have just about anything besides a mustang. Heck, I would honestly rather drive a Civic than this. I could save so much more money on gas, get similar performance, and save more money so I can sell this POS and buy a 300ZX in a couple years.

plus import cars are smaller and lighter than domestic look at the weight of your car on the door sill tag, its pretty high and look at the size difference mustangs are long cars with a lot of heavy parts, an import is small and made light so that it is more fuel efficient and i think that if you have two cars with the exact same displacement but ones smaller and lighter which do you think will be faster?

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plus import cars are smaller and lighter than domestic look at the weight of your car on the door sill tag, its pretty high and look at the size difference mustangs are long cars with a lot of heavy parts, an import is small and made light so that it is more fuel efficient and i think that if you have two cars with the exact same displacement but ones smaller and lighter which do you think will be faster?


true as well. imports are smaller, lighter, TURN BETTER (even my dad's Yukon has a tighter turn radius than my mustang), and are faster and get better mileage. There are damn Jap/Korean SUVS that get better gas mileage than my mustang.

OK here is a good comparasion. take an 88 305 IROC and race it with the 98 3.8. they will run pretty much the same. i outran an 87 350 TA by about 1 car when my 98 was stock.

yeah the singleports were slow but for a reason. the V8's were not that fast and if they made the V6's faster then who would buy the V8???

all the cars you mention cannot even come close to the power potential of the 98 3.8L ford engine.

get over the fact that you bought a base model that doesn't run 13.5

look i work at a toyota dealership (don't ask why) and i know all about the jap cars getting great fuel milage but try and find add ons for them, the mustang was designed for a person to tune it how they please with thousands of parts stores carrying parts for them in stock, but if you go up to the counter asking for a water pump for a 300zx they'll tel you to come back in a week or 2 when it comes in. plus i've raced a '90s era civec in my mustang which is bare bones stock and blew his doors off...it cost me a $402 ticket but i beat him lol

yea but the op does have a point the six is WAY underpowered
personally i think that the setup should be as follows
sixer~250hp
GT~300BHP
mach, boss, bulit?~400hp
GT500~500 DUH

ok, take the mustang I have, and put the 300ZX I want up against it. You race them both stock, and the Z will kill the mustang. Put 10 grand into both, and the Z will still kill the mustang. Even though the NA 300ZXs respond very lackluster to mods, it would still kill a mustang. to get any decent power out of the 3.8 for a decent price, you've got to go F/I, and if you go F/I with the mustang, that makes it fair to go F/I with the Z, and a 300ZXTT will kill pretty much any mustang ever made (stock ones). No it wont take two weeks to get a water pump in for the Z, here in Dallas, there is a Nissan Dealer that specializes in 300ZX parts. They are pretty much the largest 300ZX parts dealer in the US, and they have everything, so no it wouldn't take 2 weeks to get a water pump. I had to get my ujoint on my driveshaft replaced, and it took about 3 days to get one, and thats how long it would take to get something fromthe Nissan dealer. Dont getmad at me just because ford doesn't put any R&D into their cars like japanese manufs do. They actually care about earning our business. Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.

Lets compare my year Mustang.

2002 V6 Mustang - $17,475 (I'm using all base packages)
-Curb Weight: 3066 lbs
-3.8L OHV 232 V6
-193 HP
-225 TQ
-EPA: 20 City, 29 Highway

2002 Honda Civic SOHC I4 - $12,810
-Curb Weight: 2744 lbs
-1.7L 102 I4
-127 HP
-114 TQ
-EPA: 32/37

2002 Honda Civic DOHC I4 - $19,000
-Curb Weight: 2744 lbs
-2.0L 122 I4
-160 HP
-132 TQ
-26/30

2002 Acura Integra - $21,050
-Curb Weight: 2703 lbs
-1.8L DOHC I4 110ci
-195 HP
-130 TQ
-25/31

2002 Mitsubishi Eclipse - $21,147
-Curb Weight: 3042
-2.4L OHC I4 149ci
-145 HP
-163 TQ
-20/28

You get what you paid for. I have the largest engine, the most power (close to Integra), and the most torque by a LOT. Throw in the fact that I would MUCH rather be seen in a Mustang than any of those 4 bangers or 6cyls and you have the reason that I own a V6 Mustang. Don't compare it to cars of greater value, compare it to cars of equal value, then you start getting places.

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Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.


trye unfourtunately, and not to hijack but the interior build quality = crap

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ok, take the mustang I have, and put the 300ZX I want up against it. You race them both stock, and the Z will kill the mustang. Put 10 grand into both, and the Z will still kill the mustang. Even though the NA 300ZXs respond very lackluster to mods, it would still kill a mustang. to get any decent power out of the 3.8 for a decent price, you've got to go F/I, and if you go F/I with the mustang, that makes it fair to go F/I with the Z, and a 300ZXTT will kill pretty much any mustang ever made (stock ones). No it wont take two weeks to get a water pump in for the Z, here in Dallas, there is a Nissan Dealer that specializes in 300ZX parts. They are pretty much the largest 300ZX parts dealer in the US, and they have everything, so no it wouldn't take 2 weeks to get a water pump. I had to get my ujoint on my driveshaft replaced, and it took about 3 days to get one, and thats how long it would take to get something fromthe Nissan dealer. Dont getmad at me just because ford doesn't put any R&D into their cars like japanese manufs do. They actually care about earning our business. Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.


ok the 99-04 3.8l puts out 190 bhp and 220 ft/lbs of tq. it is the base model, and i bought mine new for 15,500. tell me what the japanese offered 5 years ago when i bought my car for that price, power, style. ford's 3.5liter ohc v-6 puts out 265-285 hp, and will be in the fusion and five hundred, with that engine you will be approaching 25-30k dollars, which is what a comparable accord/maxima/camry will cost. that is also what a 300 hp 4.6l ohc mustang will cost. you are comparing cars that aren't in the same price range, the range the cars you are bithcing about are in is mustang GT price range. you say ford doesn't put R&D into their cars and manufacturing but how come the mustang and mercury milan (i.e. fusion) won best in class for initial quality and value by JD Power and Associates?

also hte largest 300zx dealer in the country takes 3 days to get a part, can you imagine if you didn't live by the "largest" dealer how easy it would be to get parts. think about it.

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ok, take the mustang I have, and put the 300ZX I want up against it. You race them both stock, and the Z will kill the mustang. Put 10 grand into both, and the Z will still kill the mustang. Even though the NA 300ZXs respond very lackluster to mods, it would still kill a mustang. to get any decent power out of the 3.8 for a decent price, you've got to go F/I, and if you go F/I with the mustang, that makes it fair to go F/I with the Z, and a 300ZXTT will kill pretty much any mustang ever made (stock ones). No it wont take two weeks to get a water pump in for the Z, here in Dallas, there is a Nissan Dealer that specializes in 300ZX parts. They are pretty much the largest 300ZX parts dealer in the US, and they have everything, so no it wouldn't take 2 weeks to get a water pump. I had to get my ujoint on my driveshaft replaced, and it took about 3 days to get one, and thats how long it would take to get something fromthe Nissan dealer. Dont getmad at me just because ford doesn't put any R&D into their cars like japanese manufs do. They actually care about earning our business. Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.


dude have you ever built an engine in you entire life?????????

i think not.

1. the 300ZX TT is a top of the line model not a base model. take a NA 300 ZX and it will not outrun the stang by more than 1 car.

if it took you that long to find a U-joint for your stang then it's your fault cause everybody carries them.

R&D for Jap cars is no different than american cars. take a base model Nissan Sentra and compare it with a base model stang. same slow ass soft riding fuel efficient type of a car.


$10,000 into a 3.8 will get you into the mid to low 10's with a 3.8. it will barely get the 300 ZX rebuilt to handle the boost to get into the 11's on the 300ZXTT.


please quit making incredibly uneducated rants based on paper stats on a top of the line model VS a base model. your really making yourself look really dumb and it's really sad

@ Laserred, look a few posts up.:D

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@ Laserred, look a few posts up.:D


yeah i must have been typing as you posted, thanks for taking the time to put numbers down :D

look if you hate your stang then sell it to someone who will apreciate it and quit your bitching and go buy your 300zx

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ok, take the mustang I have, and put the 300ZX I want up against it. You race them both stock, and the Z will kill the mustang. Put 10 grand into both, and the Z will still kill the mustang. Even though the NA 300ZXs respond very lackluster to mods, it would still kill a mustang. to get any decent power out of the 3.8 for a decent price, you've got to go F/I, and if you go F/I with the mustang, that makes it fair to go F/I with the Z, and a 300ZXTT will kill pretty much any mustang ever made (stock ones). No it wont take two weeks to get a water pump in for the Z, here in Dallas, there is a Nissan Dealer that specializes in 300ZX parts. They are pretty much the largest 300ZX parts dealer in the US, and they have everything, so no it wouldn't take 2 weeks to get a water pump. I had to get my ujoint on my driveshaft replaced, and it took about 3 days to get one, and thats how long it would take to get something fromthe Nissan dealer. Dont getmad at me just because ford doesn't put any R&D into their cars like japanese manufs do. They actually care about earning our business. Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.


dude have you ever built an engine in you entire life?????????

i think not.

1. the 300ZX TT is a top of the line model not a base model. take a NA 300 ZX and it will not outrun the stang by more than 1 car.

if it took you that long to find a U-joint for your stang then it's your fault cause everybody carries them.

R&D for Jap cars is no different than american cars. take a base model Nissan Sentra and compare it with a base model stang. same slow ass soft riding fuel efficient type of a car.


$10,000 into a 3.8 will get you into the mid to low 10's with a 3.8. it will barely get the 300 ZX rebuilt to handle the boost to get into the 11's on the 300ZXTT.


please quit making incredibly uneducated rants based on paper stats on a top of the line model VS a base model. your really making yourself look really dumb and it's really sad

yes, but sentras get about twice the gas mileage of a mustang, so its fine for them to be slow.

not really. No one said you can't do an engine swap. You can swap in a VG30DETT in for a few grand, that leaves you say 7 grand for other stuff. I'm talking 98 3.8's here, so 10 grand into that will get you suspension, drivetrain, and about 400rwhp (I asked on here about that a while ago, so if you say thats wrong, you're saying mustang drivers dont know much about their own cars). A stock TT will get you into the 13's easy, and then with mods, like rear end, UDP, weight reductions, etc, you will get down into the 10's probably.

DOn't forget though, straight line racing is a small portion of racing. I guarantee you, a 300ZXTT will destroy any mustang around nurburgring. Cobra, GT500, whatever, it will beat it around a twisty course I guarantee you.

Its worthless to defend your car, just admit that ford could have done a much better job with the mustang compared to what you get from other manufacturers for the same price.

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look if you hate your stang then sell it to someone who will apreciate it and quit your bitching and go buy your 300zx


do YOU want to buy it from me?

didn't think so. If you'll fork over some cash then I"ll sell it, otherwise I have all the right to bitch about it I want.

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I still can't for the life of me figure out why these mustangs are so damn slow. Mine is a 98, and its got a 3.8L v6, thats a monster engine by normal standards, yet its slower than a ****ing accord. I mean, why did ford not charge people a little more on the base price, and make use of the massive amount of displacement they have, instead of slacking off and making a ridiculously slow car. I mean, a 9 second 0-60 time is pathetic. You've got Nissans with much smaller engines, like the 300ZX has a 3.0L V6, and its got 222hp, the Maxima has 3.5L V6 making 255hp, and the 350Z has a 3.5L v6, and it makes over 300hp. Hondas Accord 3L V6 makes 244hp. That car is an econo sedan, that is faster than my car, and gets better gas mileage. I don't see why someone would buy a mustang over the rest of the cars out there. Well, you ask why did i buy one then? I'll tell you. I turned 16, and my parents offered to buy me a car. I just took whatever car they would get me, and a mustang was the only car oferred that I really liked (I didn't know anything about how terrible they were), so I took it. Far be it from me to turn down a free car.

I was called unpatriotic in another thread for saying I'd rather buy a 15 year old 300ZX than a Mustang, and that I'd rather pay the repairs on such an old car than drive a new car that is horribly designed. Ford made one of the crappiest cars (excluding the pinto, yugo, etc). The engine is extrmeely underpowered, I coudl get better fuel efficiency driving a V8 Corvette, and the solid rear axle is the worst idea since fart cans on civics. I'm sorry, but these cars are just terribly engineered, and are the least bang for the buck out there. Feel free to complain all you want, but in the end, the only reason the mustang sells is because people know its name. There is no car behind the name anymore, all you buy is the name when you buy a mustang.



There is no car behind the name anymore? A Mustang GT would change your thinking, and waste the 15 year old 300ZX that you're dreaming about! I'm not telling you the same old "get a GT" response, but you do have to realize that Ford did not intend the V6 Mustang to be a true performance car.
I know your pain. I drove a '95 V6 Mustang for 3 years. It is frustrating that such a large motor only made 145 horsepower! The big reason why the smaller "import" V6s make more power is because they are DOHC 24 valve engines. They may not have great low end torque, but they make up for it with great power throughout the rpm range.
The current V6 is really the first respectable V6 that Ford has offered for the Mustang. It makes as much power as the mid to late 90s GTs. It hangs with and can beat stock SN95 GTs.With simple mods like intake, tune, and exhaust, it hits 14s at the track. I've spent $1100 on performance mods, and my car runs 14.6-14.7 consistently.
That makes me feel good when I see "new edge" GTs running low 14s!
I don't know what it would take to get a 3.8 into the 14 second range, but once you're there, I consider that respectable. You'd be hanging with several cars that are percieved as fast.

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yes, but sentras get about twice the gas mileage of a mustang, so its fine for them to be slow.

not really. No one said you can't do an engine swap. You can swap in a VG30DETT in for a few grand, that leaves you say 7 grand for other stuff. I'm talking 98 3.8's here, so 10 grand into that will get you suspension, drivetrain, and about 400rwhp (I asked on here about that a while ago, so if you say thats wrong, you're saying mustang drivers dont know much about their own cars). A stock TT will get you into the 13's easy, and then with mods, like rear end, UDP, weight reductions, etc, you will get down into the 10's probably.

DOn't forget though, straight line racing is a small portion of racing. I guarantee you, a 300ZXTT will destroy any mustang around nurburgring. Cobra, GT500, whatever, it will beat it around a twisty course I guarantee you.

Its worthless to defend your car, just admit that ford could have done a much better job with the mustang compared to what you get from other manufacturers for the same price.



Read.My.Post.Dumbass.

A GT would not waste a 300ZX. even the NA, it woudl be close. I've seen guys in NA Z's race GT's, and they only lost by about a length or so. The TT would kill the GT any day, but for the NA to hold its own, thats pretty impressive against a car with 2 more cylinders and 1.6 more L of displacement and about 80 more horsepower.

Don't forget thoguh, straight line racing is not the only kind of racing. On a track, a Z will beat a mustang like a red headed step child in the twisties.

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yes, but sentras get about twice the gas mileage of a mustang, so its fine for them to be slow.

not really. No one said you can't do an engine swap. You can swap in a VG30DETT in for a few grand, that leaves you say 7 grand for other stuff. I'm talking 98 3.8's here, so 10 grand into that will get you suspension, drivetrain, and about 400rwhp (I asked on here about that a while ago, so if you say thats wrong, you're saying mustang drivers dont know much about their own cars). A stock TT will get you into the 13's easy, and then with mods, like rear end, UDP, weight reductions, etc, you will get down into the 10's probably.

DOn't forget though, straight line racing is a small portion of racing. I guarantee you, a 300ZXTT will destroy any mustang around nurburgring. Cobra, GT500, whatever, it will beat it around a twisty course I guarantee you.

Its worthless to defend your car, just admit that ford could have done a much better job with the mustang compared to what you get from other manufacturers for the same price.



Read.My.Post.Dumbass.



Don't.Whine.Little.Girl.

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A GT would not waste a 300ZX. even the NA, it woudl be close. I've seen guys in NA Z's race GT's, and they only lost by about a length or so. The TT would kill the GT any day, but for the NA to hold its own, thats pretty impressive against a car with 2 more cylinders and 1.6 more L of displacement and about 80 more horsepower.

Don't forget thoguh, straight line racing is not the only kind of racing. On a track, a Z will beat a mustang like a red headed step child in the twisties.



true but hte mustang is set up as a stright line preformer. always has been

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A GT would not waste a 300ZX. even the NA, it woudl be close. I've seen guys in NA Z's race GT's, and they only lost by about a length or so. The TT would kill the GT any day, but for the NA to hold its own, thats pretty impressive against a car with 2 more cylinders and 1.6 more L of displacement and about 80 more horsepower.

Don't forget thoguh, straight line racing is not the only kind of racing. On a track, a Z will beat a mustang like a red headed step child in the twisties.



true but hte mustang is set up as a stright line preformer. always has been


Yes, but not all driving and racing is in a straight line.

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A GT would not waste a 300ZX. even the NA, it woudl be close. I've seen guys in NA Z's race GT's, and they only lost by about a length or so. The TT would kill the GT any day, but for the NA to hold its own, thats pretty impressive against a car with 2 more cylinders and 1.6 more L of displacement and about 80 more horsepower.

Don't forget thoguh, straight line racing is not the only kind of racing. On a track, a Z will beat a mustang like a red headed step child in the twisties.



You don't think so? What year GT are you referring to?

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yes, but sentras get about twice the gas mileage of a mustang, so its fine for them to be slow.

not really. No one said you can't do an engine swap. You can swap in a VG30DETT in for a few grand, that leaves you say 7 grand for other stuff. I'm talking 98 3.8's here, so 10 grand into that will get you suspension, drivetrain, and about 400rwhp (I asked on here about that a while ago, so if you say thats wrong, you're saying mustang drivers dont know much about their own cars). A stock TT will get you into the 13's easy, and then with mods, like rear end, UDP, weight reductions, etc, you will get down into the 10's probably.

DOn't forget though, straight line racing is a small portion of racing. I guarantee you, a 300ZXTT will destroy any mustang around nurburgring. Cobra, GT500, whatever, it will beat it around a twisty course I guarantee you.

Its worthless to defend your car, just admit that ford could have done a much better job with the mustang compared to what you get from other manufacturers for the same price.



Read.My.Post.Dumbass.



Don't.Whine.Little.Girl.



It's cute, the facts are in front of you. You get what you pay for. The Mustang V6 is a cheap car that performs well compared to cars in its price range. That is what we are comparing right? You've said it over and over again, and I posted up numbers for you. The Mustang is one of the cheapest (Base model Civic is much cheaper), the most powerful, and yes, the heaviest. It looks the best, and I would take it over a POS civic any day. If you want a car for gas mileage, get a Civic. It's that simple. Sell your car for a Civic, because God knows you can get a used one for CHEAP. Look at the EPA for the cars I posted compared to a Mustang - Not that far off (besides the BASE Civic.)

The 02 gen GT's. Not sure which year it was, but it was the same gen, probably an 02 or an 01. The GT beat it off the line, but the Z started to catch up, and got pretty close before they had to shut it down. The GT would probably have kept the lead, but the Z wasn't too far behind.

I'm not hating on the new sixxers, they're pretty good performers, but the SN95's in particular are quite frankly pathetic. The 99 and on mustangs could be better, but its a huge improvement over my year ones.

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A GT would not waste a 300ZX. even the NA, it woudl be close. I've seen guys in NA Z's race GT's, and they only lost by about a length or so. The TT would kill the GT any day, but for the NA to hold its own, thats pretty impressive against a car with 2 more cylinders and 1.6 more L of displacement and about 80 more horsepower.

Don't forget thoguh, straight line racing is not the only kind of racing. On a track, a Z will beat a mustang like a red headed step child in the twisties.



true but hte mustang is set up as a stright line preformer. always has been


Yes, but not all driving and racing is in a straight line.



right but like i said the mustang is a stright line preformer. it was introduced when straight line drag racing was WAY more popular then "twisties" and has remained a stright line preformer since

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The 02 gen GT's. Not sure which year it was, but it was the same gen, probably an 02 or an 01. The GT beat it off the line, but the Z started to catch up, and got pretty close before they had to shut it down. The GT would probably have kept the lead, but the Z wasn't too far behind.

I'm not hating on the new sixxers, they're pretty good performers, but the SN95's in particular are quite frankly pathetic. The 99 and on mustangs could be better, but its a huge improvement over my year ones.



So in essence, you are saying that I am right, correct?

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yes, but sentras get about twice the gas mileage of a mustang, so its fine for them to be slow.

not really. No one said you can't do an engine swap. You can swap in a VG30DETT in for a few grand, that leaves you say 7 grand for other stuff. I'm talking 98 3.8's here, so 10 grand into that will get you suspension, drivetrain, and about 400rwhp (I asked on here about that a while ago, so if you say thats wrong, you're saying mustang drivers dont know much about their own cars). A stock TT will get you into the 13's easy, and then with mods, like rear end, UDP, weight reductions, etc, you will get down into the 10's probably.

DOn't forget though, straight line racing is a small portion of racing. I guarantee you, a 300ZXTT will destroy any mustang around nurburgring. Cobra, GT500, whatever, it will beat it around a twisty course I guarantee you.

Its worthless to defend your car, just admit that ford could have done a much better job with the mustang compared to what you get from other manufacturers for the same price.



Read.My.Post.Dumbass.



Don't.Whine.Little.Girl.



It's cute, the facts are in front of you. You get what you pay for. The Mustang V6 is a cheap car that performs well compared to cars in its price range. That is what we are comparing right? You've said it over and over again, and I posted up numbers for you. The Mustang is one of the cheapest (Base model Civic is much cheaper), the most powerful, and yes, the heaviest. It looks the best, and I would take it over a POS civic any day. If you want a car for gas mileage, get a Civic. It's that simple. Sell your car for a Civic, because God knows you can get a used one for CHEAP. Look at the EPA for the cars I posted compared to a Mustang - Not that far off (besides the BASE Civic.)



The facts are, you're comparing it to much smaller and fewer cylinder engines. Civics aren't that cheap. They hold their resale value better than my car. I couldn't get a decent civic for what I paid for this car because they're so reliable and popular. Unlike you, I'd take an eclipse or an integra, or a 300ZX or a sentra or a maxima over a mustang any day. I'd rather not have a car that pretends to be fast, but isn't fast, isn't reliable, and isn't fuel efficient. I'd rather have a car that handles good, doesn't have non-functional hood scoops and side scoops, and gets better mileage than a poser car.

I'm talking used cars here too, where as you seem to be rooted on brand new ones. I can get a better car in the used market than a brand new mustang. I dont' have a problem buying used, as long as I do my research. If I can get a car for a good deal, and let someone else take the depreciation hit, why not? I'd gladly take someones used car and pay the same amount a get a better car for the same or even less money.

ORIGINAL: 02 Stang

ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

The 02 gen GT's. Not sure which year it was, but it was the same gen, probably an 02 or an 01. The GT beat it off the line, but the Z started to catch up, and got pretty close before they had to shut it down. The GT would probably have kept the lead, but the Z wasn't too far behind.

I'm not hating on the new sixxers, they're pretty good performers, but the SN95's in particular are quite frankly pathetic. The 99 and on mustangs could be better, but its a huge improvement over my year ones.



So in essence, you are saying that I am right, correct?



I'm not saying you're correct. I believe this whole thread was started on the premise that I drive a 98. Good for you that you drive an 02, but I can't afford to drive a car that new. A 300ZX will still kill even the new sixxers, so I still dont' know what you're talking about.

ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher
The facts are, you're comparing it to much smaller and fewer cylinder engines. Civics aren't that cheap. They hold their resale value better than my car. I couldn't get a decent civic for what I paid for this car because they're so reliable and popular. Unlike you, I'd take an eclipse or an integra, or a 300ZX or a sentra or a maxima over a mustang any day. I'd rather not have a car that pretends to be fast, but isn't fast, isn't reliable, and isn't fuel efficient. I'd rather have a car that handles good, doesn't have non-functional hood scoops and side scoops, and gets better mileage than a poser car.

I'm talking used cars here too, where as you seem to be rooted on brand new ones. I can get a better car in the used market than a brand new mustang. I dont' have a problem buying used, as long as I do my research. If I can get a car for a good deal, and let someone else take the depreciation hit, why not? I'd gladly take someones used car and pay the same amount a get a better car for the same or even less money.



Wait, why in the world would I compare used car prices? You are saying that the Mustang is a peice of **** compared to cars in it's price range. Doesn't that mean NEW? Because I sure as **** thought so. And you're right, I'm comparing it to smaller engines because those are the cars you named.

You can like what you want, I'll like what I want. Don't come on here ranting about how crappy your car is compared to other cars in its price range if you know its horsepoop.

Come on, at least make this challenging.

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ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

ORIGINAL: simpsonfan13

ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

A GT would not waste a 300ZX. even the NA, it woudl be close. I've seen guys in NA Z's race GT's, and they only lost by about a length or so. The TT would kill the GT any day, but for the NA to hold its own, thats pretty impressive against a car with 2 more cylinders and 1.6 more L of displacement and about 80 more horsepower.

Don't forget thoguh, straight line racing is not the only kind of racing. On a track, a Z will beat a mustang like a red headed step child in the twisties.



true but hte mustang is set up as a stright line preformer. always has been


Yes, but not all driving and racing is in a straight line.



right but like i said the mustang is a stright line preformer. it was introduced when straight line drag racing was WAY more popular then "twisties" and has remained a stright line preformer since


I'm not denying that, I'm just saying that straight line racing is not the only kind of racing. A good car should perform in all areas of driving, including racing, normal driving, fuel economy, power, comfort, etc. My mustang lacks in more of those areas than not.

look people who buy mustangs like myself dont need to buy cars fast stock we make them fast so if your gonna complain about how mustangs are soooo horrible buy a ricer then i will fly by your lil 300 with my shoebox 4 eye

You should be slapped around for bitching so much about a car you got for FREE.

ORIGINAL: MustangMike2001

You should be slapped around for bitching so much about a car you got for FREE.
seriously i had to buy my gt

I mean for real he should be kissing his parents ass for buying him a Mustang. How many kids would kill for that. I drove a damn pos Hyundai all my highschool years. That I paid for myself btw. Dudes an asshole.

ORIGINAL: MustangMike2001

I mean for real he should be kissing his parents ass for buying him a Mustang. How many kids would kill for that. I drove a damn pos Hyundai all my highschool years. That I paid for myself btw. Dudes an asshole.
yup i bought my gt my soph year in highschool and it was beat to hell it wouldnt even turn to the left but i still cruised it [8D]. then some douche hit my cars side panel and he didnt have insurance but he promised to paint my car and fix it then wa la its a sexy biatch now :D

What did you do only make right turns? thats gheeettoooo lol.

ORIGINAL: MustangMike2001

You should be slapped around for bitching so much about a car you got for FREE.


Its a thing called I worked for it. That was my birthday and christmas present, as well as my present for earning my eagle scout. I very well could pay for my own car, I've saved up enough money to buy a 300ZX, my parents just owuldn't let me.

Some of you say you bought your own cars and what not. Whoopty do. Arn't you special. I would have rather bought my own car. Theres a reason I pay for my own insurance and gas, and quite honesly, I'd rather drive an old civic and save the money.

I don't even have any spare time. I'm either at school from 8 am to 8pm, or I'm working, studying, or playing baseball on the weekends.

I'm not complaining that I have a crappy car, I'm glad to have a car, but I'm complaining about how terrible a car ford makes. I never once said I wish I didn't have this car, or that I would rather have no car. I love how you guys change the subject from how poor the car was engineered (that was the reason for this post) and turned it into "oh, hes spoiled and complains too much"

ORIGINAL: cobra232

ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

ok, take the mustang I have, and put the 300ZX I want up against it. You race them both stock, and the Z will kill the mustang. Put 10 grand into both, and the Z will still kill the mustang. Even though the NA 300ZXs respond very lackluster to mods, it would still kill a mustang. to get any decent power out of the 3.8 for a decent price, you've got to go F/I, and if you go F/I with the mustang, that makes it fair to go F/I with the Z, and a 300ZXTT will kill pretty much any mustang ever made (stock ones). No it wont take two weeks to get a water pump in for the Z, here in Dallas, there is a Nissan Dealer that specializes in 300ZX parts. They are pretty much the largest 300ZX parts dealer in the US, and they have everything, so no it wouldn't take 2 weeks to get a water pump. I had to get my ujoint on my driveshaft replaced, and it took about 3 days to get one, and thats how long it would take to get something fromthe Nissan dealer. Dont getmad at me just because ford doesn't put any R&D into their cars like japanese manufs do. They actually care about earning our business. Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.




1. the 300ZX TT is a top of the line model not a base model. take a NA 300 ZX and it will not outrun the stang by more than 1 car.




retard i outran a green 90 something by like 2 1/2 car lengths the other day and my 300zx na isnt even performing good,that****stang was shaqfking slow.
plus ford sucks any way chevy's are way better than ford for domestics.
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on another note for all you saying you cant find parts easy for a 300zx your all on fking crack, go to a auto parts store you probly wont beable to find parts laying around in your trailers or back yards like you do for your rustangs.

see my avatar guys?

case closed.

by the way every one wtf is with the sound the stang makes it sounds like its trying to **** but cant.
dont get me wrong i like the fox body stangs ok but the rest are just pure crap[X(].

ORIGINAL: MustangMike2001

What did you do only make right turns? thats gheeettoooo lol.
lol yup rack and pinion took a crap in it. i could make a wide left turn but couldnt turn it more then 90 degrees or it would lock and i would have to hit the steering wheel to the opposite directions to pop it out lol

ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

see my avatar guys?

case closed.
i dont see a problem. they made affordable cars that people like us can buy and tune our way.

ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

ORIGINAL: MustangMike2001

You should be slapped around for bitching so much about a car you got for FREE.


Its a thing called I worked for it. That was my birthday and christmas present, as well as my present for earning my eagle scout. I very well could pay for my own car, I've saved up enough money to buy a 300ZX, my parents just owuldn't let me.

Some of you say you bought your own cars and what not. Whoopty do. Arn't you special. I would have rather bought my own car. Theres a reason I pay for my own insurance and gas, and quite honesly, I'd rather drive an old civic and save the money.

I don't even have any spare time. I'm either at school from 8 am to 8pm, or I'm working, studying, or playing baseball on the weekends.

I'm not complaining that I have a crappy car, I'm glad to have a car, but I'm complaining about how terrible a car ford makes. I never once said I wish I didn't have this car, or that I would rather have no car. I love how you guys change the subject from how poor the car was engineered (that was the reason for this post) and turned it into "oh, hes spoiled and complains too much"



You "worked for it" by accepting it as your birthday and Christmas present? That sounds like some hard work there buddy. I got a job when I was 15 and saved every cent (well almost) untill I was 16 so I could buy my first car. I sat on several grandfor nearly a yearand did without alot of things I would have liked to have had and done to be able to buy my frist car. That's working for it.

ok i gotta drop in my .02..

i drove Zcar's for years, this mustang is the first American car i've ever owned.

i've owned every type of Zcar from a '72 240 Z all the way to a 92 300zxTT..... so i've got some equal opportunity here....

point blank and period, the Z is a pig.... look at the curb weight of the 90+ 300zx.... i'ts close to if not over 3200! (wow that sound similar to our cars...hmmm) yes it does have more horse power, the TQ on the other hand is a little off, and you really gotta keep it up to get the power. And have you ever even looked at an engine bay? do you have any idea how hard it is just to put a cone filter on those cars? you can barely mod anything on the motor without taking it out of the damn engine bay! plus what performance parts do you have??? on the N/A all you can do is go Turbo, on the TT's all you can do is go Single Turbo, or NOS..... and don't even get me started on the costs!!!!!!!! go ahead and pay $8 for a spark plug, $100 for wires, i'll stick to the less expensive stuff....

i'm extremely happy about my mustang. i can mod it, i can work on it, i don't have to tear my hand to pieces or unbolt and jack up the motor just to do some simple work! no it doesn't handle the best, but that can be worked on. about your 10KI can completely re-do the motor for less than in 3 grand, 3 more grand i can turbo the car, 2 grand in the suspension, and 2 grand to fly to where you are, stay in a nice hotel and slap some sence into you.

read a Haynes manual, look at a mod list, start looking at parts, change your own damn oil for onceand learn that a car is a mode of transportation you get to have fun with, if you get to impress some people along the way, cool. but he point is to get you from A - B. mod it, love it, and eventually you'll get your Z car. and can be happy.

*get's off his soapbox *

So let me catch up a little on this thread:
For some reason, you want a 300 and want all of us to tell you how cool they are?

Seriously, for being an Eagle Scout, you don't know much. Maybe your parents are right for not letting you get a 'better car' and forcing you to drive a car that was given to you until you havea little respect and apprciation.

If you want to rant about a V6 Mustang and how it matches up to an import. Compare apples to apples. the 3.8L in 98 was Ford's entry level Mustang. Now, go take a list of cars made in 98 and compare it to the entry level version of each. It doesn't get much easier than that. Come back an feel free to whine when you can locate a single car that matches the Mustang for price/performance/quality in 98.

+1:)

Yet again, you're comparing silver to gold, peaches to apples, etc.

The 94-98 V6 etry level stang was ten fold better than the older 2.3L entry level stangs made from 87-93 which only pumped out an astounding 88-105 bhp depending on year. You're also compairing an old, and by all means, outdated car, to newer, more higher performance cars. As lilroush stated, compare a 98 stang to everything else made in 98, and you'll find that aside from the V6 Camaro and V6 Firebird (both of which no longer exist due to lack of marketing and a serrious price gap between the Mustang) not much matches it's performance for the cost.

Another thing to remember, is Ford didn't intend the V6 to be a performance car. If they did, the Mustang would no longer exist because if the V6 was making 250 bhp stock in 1994-2004 using the 3.8L engine, which it's capable of doing, what do you think the cost would of been? It probably would of been around 22K in 94, and around 28K in 04. Now what do you think the GTs would of been, they would of been probably rated at over 300 bhp, and the cost would of been astounding, and the Mustang, like the Firebird and Camaro, would be dead...........that's D....E....A.....D

Like I said, the V6 stang is not ment for performance, Ford made the GT and the Cobras, along with special licensed models by Saleen, and Roush, for performance. The V6 stang is an entry level stang that set's price levels, and keeps other outiside, as well as top prices down. They made the V6 so that somebody that wants a stang, but could care less about 0-60 times etc. can get one and travel around the style, and comfort that they want. Ford also made them so that youths, yes, the youth of America can afford to drive a stang. If they didn't how many kids do you know that would be able to afford the cost of a new, or even slightly used GT, not many, and that's not even mentioning the Corba. The only way youths would be able to afford a V8 in a stag would to be to buy an old 5.0, and then they'd still be whinning because of it's lack of performance when compaired to newer cars ignoring the fact that back in the day the 5.0 was one of the fastest cars for the dollar on the market.

So get your facts straight, quit whinning, and just be happy that you own a stang, especially one capable of easily getting 26+ mpg in an erra of $3+ gasaoline. And if you want a newer faster car, then save up and get one, hell the car was given to you, you should at least be thankful, because neither of my stangs were given to me.

Dude... I had a 1998 V6 and even though it wasnt the fastest car in the world it was VERY reliable.. I only had to bring it into the shop once for a radiator and brake pads... Isnt that all that matters... Its a Car for A to B driving... because from the way your being a little bitch it sounds like youve never stepped foot on a race track... Now lets get something straight "Retard" means to hinder or hold back... its an invalid insult.. But if you would like to use that word to insult someone, why not take a look at yourself. something must have "Retarded" your logic when A. posting this thread in the Mustang Forums V6 section.. where everyone likes their V6 Mustang... and B. When you bought the car thinking it would make some magical numbers... Did you just blindly buy a car without researching it? Its not an unknown fact that they dont come with the best hp numbers.. You should stop your bitching, grow a pair and either do something about the cars lack of power or buy another car... I think ahonda would fit you perfectly... You bitch alot and you enjoy doing/saying stupid ****... SO how bout you sell your mustang, because you dont deserve it... and go down get a honda civic join a honda forum and see if you guyscan all circle jerk together.Kuz honestly, no one cares about your little "rant"sostop being a little bitch and take some action...You have no friends...Chicken ****er... (I should title this Rant against a dumbass)

ORIGINAL: 02MustangV6DD

Ford really made the Yugo? That was the first car i ever drove, and it was a small peice but it still runs to today and we treat it like ****. Thats not unpatriotic at all, i belive if you dont buy American youare not helping your own country. But what in 98 Would you rather have? Whats the price differences? The V6 isnt made to go fast, its made to sell


yay buy american, my camaro is made in canada, yet my buddies honda was made in kentucky:eek:

ORIGINAL: cobra232

OK here is a good comparasion. take an 88 305 IROC and race it with the 98 3.8. they will run pretty much the same. i outran an 87 350 TA by about 1 car when my 98 was stock.

yeah the singleports were slow but for a reason. the V8's were not that fast and if they made the V6's faster then who would buy the V8???

all the cars you mention cannot even come close to the power potential of the 98 3.8L ford engine.

get over the fact that you bought a base model that doesn't run 13.5


my car was in the high 15s and i have a 305 RS (TBI) so it will be about equal to a 305 TPI in the quarter, a L98 should be in the 14s unless it was beat to ****

the v6 could have 200 HP more then the V8, it doesnt matter "a mustang is supposed to have 8 cylenders" people would still buy them

ORIGINAL: simpsonfan13

ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.


trye unfourtunately, and not to hijack but the interior build quality = crap


buy a lexus

also dont know about the GT, but i ran a 300zx a few weeks ago in my buddies mach 1 and shifted at 3500 and still walked him about as bad as he walked me in my 6 hitter

ORIGINAL: mustangman02232

the v6 could have 200 HP more then the V8, it doesnt matter "a mustang is supposed to have 8 cylenders" people would still buy them




This is the most true, saddest and funniest thing I've ever heard.

I love threads like these :D

- 98 and older 3.8L Mustang motors are not identical to the 99+ ones (that's been pointed out)
- 98 and older 4.6L Mustang motors in an auto GT are only a couple of tenths faster in the 1/4 than a 99+ 3.8L (and don't go paper racing on me. I've raced them. They are S-L-O-W for a V8)
- In 98 sure you could've bought a faster V6 import but it would have cost you 25K+ back when the Mustang V6 was 15K and the GT was 20K In today's dollars that would've been 30K, 20K, 25K respectively. (in otherwords you still pay more for the import)
- Don't get all pissy because you didn't do the research first. A good deal is only good if it fits what you want to start with. Otherwise, it's a waste of money. You were impatient and bought a car simply because it was in this case a mustang. You didn't do your research. If a turd was made by Ferrari would you buy it if it was only $10?? Just to say you have a turd made by ferrari then bitch about it being a turd built by ferrari? Of course not. Don't buy a cheaper version of a mustang just because it's a mustang and cost less than what you are willing to wait for, then bitch about it. Shoulda saved your money and gotten the version you wanted.

You say I didn't do my research, I did do research. I figured with 150hp and 215ft/lbs or torque, it would be faster than it really is. I wasn't expecting GT fast, but I was at least expecting it to beat a 2 ton truck with a V8 in a race, and it doesn't.

Besides the other crazy things I've heard, you guys seem to totally forget that not the only thing that matters is who gets past the 1/4 mile first. Thats useless in everyday driving, as roads are not perfectly straight, flat, and wide open. So many people think that drag racing is the only type of racing out there, and thats just stupid. Out of all the different racing groups/type/etc, only 1 kind out of all the possible types of racing is in a straight line.

You say I don't do any work on my car? I've done tons of stuff sicne I bought it. New plugs and wires, new fuel filter, oil change and filter, seafoam treatment, transmission fluid change, air filter, new serp belt, new radiator fluid and hoses, PCV, brake pads, and a handful of other things. You say I don't do anything on my car, yet I've done more in a few months than most poeple ever do in their lifetime. yeah its not a lot, but I could have been lazy and taken it to jiffy lube, and paid to have nothing done, so don't tell me I don't know how to do anything on my car when I've done about as much as I can do with the supplies that I have available to me. I've got two jackstands, a jack, an incomplete socket wrench set, and some pliers and screwdrivers. I pay for all my own maintenance as well, unlike all of my friends, whos parents pay for insurance, gas, and repairs/maintenance. I've also detailed my car three times since I got it 6 months ago. I may not like my car, but I do take care of it so that when I sell it, I"ll be able to get back as much as possible.

ORIGINAL: Ole Yeller

ok i gotta drop in my .02..

i drove Zcar's for years, this mustang is the first American car i've ever owned.

i've owned every type of Zcar from a '72 240 Z all the way to a 92 300zxTT..... so i've got some equal opportunity here....

point blank and period, the Z is a pig.... look at the curb weight of the 90+ 300zx.... i'ts close to if not over 3200! (wow that sound similar to our cars...hmmm) yes it does have more horse power, the TQ on the other hand is a little off, and you really gotta keep it up to get the power. And have you ever even looked at an engine bay? do you have any idea how hard it is just to put a cone filter on those cars? you can barely mod anything on the motor without taking it out of the damn engine bay! plus what performance parts do you have??? on the N/A all you can do is go Turbo, on the TT's all you can do is go Single Turbo, or NOS..... and don't even get me started on the costs!!!!!!!! go ahead and pay $8 for a spark plug, $100 for wires, i'll stick to the less expensive stuff....

i'm extremely happy about my mustang. i can mod it, i can work on it, i don't have to tear my hand to pieces or unbolt and jack up the motor just to do some simple work! no it doesn't handle the best, but that can be worked on. about your 10KI can completely re-do the motor for less than in 3 grand, 3 more grand i can turbo the car, 2 grand in the suspension, and 2 grand to fly to where you are, stay in a nice hotel and slap some sence into you.

read a Haynes manual, look at a mod list, start looking at parts, change your own damn oil for onceand learn that a car is a mode of transportation you get to have fun with, if you get to impress some people along the way, cool. but he point is to get you from A - B. mod it, love it, and eventually you'll get your Z car. and can be happy.

*get's off his soapbox *


woah you'r a fking moron if you paid$8 for one spark plug,and a good suspension on a 300zx its only $500, and there are mods you can do to the na engine on the z like building the motor,new big throttle bodies with a bigger airintake,and no its not that hard to put the airfilter cone on a z if you know what a screwdriver is and learn how to use a socket set.

yeah, how did you pay 8 bucks for a spark plug and 100bucks for wires. If you know how to look for parts, its cheaper than that. I found an entire set of spark plugs for a Z for like 12 bucks, and the wires were not 100 bucks.

I've also read my haynes manual front to back thank you very much. I was planning on doing things like new headers and suspension and some easier things like that, but then I remembered I'm gonna sell my car in a few years anyway, why throw money at it hoping it gets better, when all that will just be a freebie to whoever buys the car next. If someone here wants to donate some performance parts to my cause, then I"ll stop complaining about my car, but if you want to sit there and lecture me and not do anything about it, then you have no room to talk.

I would NEVER put a set of $12 spark plugs in my car. Just b/c they're out there doesn't make them good.

I'm still confused. You knew the hp/tq but thought it was better? Did you not drive the car prior to buying it? Ten minutes would have cleared that right up for you. You also said you planned to mod it....but didn't. So if you knew you wanted to mod to get more power, but failed to take that step, you have nobody to make fun of but yourself.

ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

You say I didn't do my research, I did do research. I figured with 150hp and 215ft/lbs or torque, it would be faster than it really is. I wasn't expecting GT fast, but I was at least expecting it to beat a 2 ton truck with a V8 in a race, and it doesn't.

Besides the other crazy things I've heard, you guys seem to totally forget that not the only thing that matters is who gets past the 1/4 mile first. Thats useless in everyday driving, as roads are not perfectly straight, flat, and wide open. So many people think that drag racing is the only type of racing out there, and thats just stupid. Out of all the different racing groups/type/etc, only 1 kind out of all the possible types of racing is in a straight line.

You say I don't do any work on my car? I've done tons of stuff sicne I bought it. New plugs and wires, new fuel filter, oil change and filter, seafoam treatment, transmission fluid change, air filter, new serp belt, new radiator fluid and hoses, PCV, brake pads, and a handful of other things. You say I don't do anything on my car, yet I've done more in a few months than most poeple ever do in their lifetime. yeah its not a lot, but I could have been lazy and taken it to jiffy lube, and paid to have nothing done, so don't tell me I don't know how to do anything on my car when I've done about as much as I can do with the supplies that I have available to me. I've got two jackstands, a jack, an incomplete socket wrench set, and some pliers and screwdrivers. I pay for all my own maintenance as well, unlike all of my friends, whos parents pay for insurance, gas, and repairs/maintenance. I've also detailed my car three times since I got it 6 months ago. I may not like my car, but I do take care of it so that when I sell it, I"ll be able to get back as much as possible.



I +1 Lil Roush..

Eagle Catcher- you say you did the research but you didn't TEST DRIVE it... The ultimate research. You may love the car on paper but once you sit your butt in and drive it, that will either make it or break it (the deal).

As for quarter mile it's a good indicator of seat of your pants feel if nothing else. If it's a dog in the 1/4 then it most likely will be a dog period. Passing speeds, acceleration, etc. Except for twisty driving. Again, a test drive would've found that out for you.

I did test drive it, but I couldn't really do a whole lot of "extensive" exploration because my dad was with me. Whether it was fast or not, if my dad found out that it was fast, no way he would let me buy it. I will say that it's probably a faster car than he intended me to have, but its by no means a fast car. It certainly isn't a boring car to drive, I foudn that out the first time the rear end broke loose in the rain. An accidental drift around a corner at 45mph is definitely scary and exciting.

The main thing I'm just frustrated with is the lack of performance from my car. Its pretty much all show, no go. Some of my friends were like "you got a mustang? Thats a fast car!" I told them I have the V6, and its really pretty slow. They didn't believe me. Thats what frustrates me, is the mustangs image is it is a fast sporty car, but its not. It can be made to be, but I don't really have the means to make it one. If you guys have a few suggestions to what I can do to make it faster for under 500 bucks or so, (no nitrous) then I'm all open to it since I'm making loads of money and have not a whole lot to spend it on since I've already saved enough for insurance and gas.

ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

I did test drive it, but I couldn't really do a whole lot of "extensive" exploration because my dad was with me. Whether it was fast or not, if my dad found out that it was fast, no way he would let me buy it. I will say that it's probably a faster car than he intended me to have, but its by no means a fast car. It certainly isn't a boring car to drive, I foudn that out the first time the rear end broke loose in the rain. An accidental drift around a corner at 45mph is definitely scary and exciting.

The main thing I'm just frustrated with is the lack of performance from my car. Its pretty much all show, no go. Some of my friends were like "you got a mustang? Thats a fast car!" I told them I have the V6, and its really pretty slow. They didn't believe me. Thats what frustrates me, is the mustangs image is it is a fast sporty car, but its not. It can be made to be, but I don't really have the means to make it one. If you guys have a few suggestions to what I can do to make it faster for under 500 bucks or so, (no nitrous) then I'm all open to it since I'm making loads of money and have not a whole lot to spend it on since I've already saved enough for insurance and gas.



When most people think Mustang they think V8. That's why. It's also why many people are dissapointed to hear that you have a V6.

Now I haven't read past the first post or two, but here's my .02:
You bought a V6 Mustang expecting a performance car. It's not. It's the BASE model. The GT is the performance model. In some cases (mostly imports) the V6 is the performance model, and the 4 cylinder is the base. If you buy a base model anything (cept a Vette or something), you're not gonna get a "performance" car. Plain and simple.

And $500 will get you nowhere. Just save more any buy something worthwhile.

Let's see, real performance for $500, unless you're really good, that's damn near impossible. And by really good, I mean buying a cam, and the bare necessities to rebuild your heads to the new port settings, and port and polish everything yourself, and install everything yourself and pray it all comes together right, and even that will cost more than $500 to get everything needed.

NITROUS

ORIGINAL: mustangman02232

NITROUS


he clearly stated no nitrous

Dude... Heres my advice... if your not happy with your stang.. instead of bitching about it sell it... new plugs and wires and fluids isnt going to make your car faster it will make it run my effeciently but your not going to bump any horses over stock... I sold my stang because it was a hassle to work on the car and not get any results. The mustang was merely a commuter, and I suggest that you stop complaining and do something about it. Buy a SN95 GT, you can find em fora nice price on craigslist.

Sn-95 Gts aren't that fast unless you get lucky and can find a 94-95 5.0 for cheap, then you can make it fast for fairly cheap, 96-98s suck balls stock. Look into a 99+ GT if you can afford it. A 94-98 Cobra on the other hand will probably suit you better.

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Sn-95 Gts aren't that fast unless you get lucky and can find a 94-95 5.0 for cheap, then you can make it fast for fairly cheap, 96-98s suck balls stock. Look into a 99+ GT if you can afford it. A 94-98 Cobra on the other hand will probably suit you better.


i think you keep forgetting the fact that you baught a built car, any stang that says "GT" and was made from 1994-1998 is about as fast as a 99-04 6, they slooooowwwwwwwww[8D]

Theres a reason they stopped making the 300zx.......pos:eek:

ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

I did test drive it, but I couldn't really do a whole lot of "extensive" exploration because my dad was with me.

hahahahahahhahaha BITCH!

thats because the 98 v6's only had 150 hp,i had a 02 v6 and ir wasn't to bad,it had some power,and i heard that the new v6's are way better.ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

I still can't for the life of me figure out why these mustangs are so damn slow. Mine is a 98, and its got a 3.8L v6, thats a monster engine by normal standards, yet its slower than a ****ing accord. I mean, why did ford not charge people a little more on the base price, and make use of the massive amount of displacement they have, instead of slacking off and making a ridiculously slow car. I mean, a 9 second 0-60 time is pathetic. You've got Nissans with much smaller engines, like the 300ZX has a 3.0L V6, and its got 222hp, the Maxima has 3.5L V6 making 255hp, and the 350Z has a 3.5L v6, and it makes over 300hp. Hondas Accord 3L V6 makes 244hp. That car is an econo sedan, that is faster than my car, and gets better gas mileage. I don't see why someone would buy a mustang over the rest of the cars out there. Well, you ask why did i buy one then? I'll tell you. I turned 16, and my parents offered to buy me a car. I just took whatever car they would get me, and a mustang was the only car oferred that I really liked (I didn't know anything about how terrible they were), so I took it. Far be it from me to turn down a free car.

I was called unpatriotic in another thread for saying I'd rather buy a 15 year old 300ZX than a Mustang, and that I'd rather pay the repairs on such an old car than drive a new car that is horribly designed. Ford made one of the crappiest cars (excluding the pinto, yugo, etc). The engine is extrmeely underpowered, I coudl get better fuel efficiency driving a V8 Corvette, and the solid rear axle is the worst idea since fart cans on civics. I'm sorry, but these cars are just terribly engineered, and are the least bang for the buck out there. Feel free to complain all you want, but in the end, the only reason the mustang sells is because people know its name. There is no car behind the name anymore, all you buy is the name when you buy a mustang.

ORIGINAL: fiad06

Theres a reason they stopped making the 300zx.......pos:eek:


theres a real reason they stopped making them, they had such new technology at the time that they were too expensive to sell large quantities of.

dumbass

you are basing this on your car,you car is 9 years old,nothing wrong with that but drive the 99 and newer ones and i wouldn't probably think that.ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

ORIGINAL: simpsonfan13

ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

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ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

A GT would not waste a 300ZX. even the NA, it woudl be close. I've seen guys in NA Z's race GT's, and they only lost by about a length or so. The TT would kill the GT any day, but for the NA to hold its own, thats pretty impressive against a car with 2 more cylinders and 1.6 more L of displacement and about 80 more horsepower.

Don't forget thoguh, straight line racing is not the only kind of racing. On a track, a Z will beat a mustang like a red headed step child in the twisties.



true but hte mustang is set up as a stright line preformer. always has been


Yes, but not all driving and racing is in a straight line.



right but like i said the mustang is a stright line preformer. it was introduced when straight line drag racing was WAY more popular then "twisties" and has remained a stright line preformer since


I'm not denying that, I'm just saying that straight line racing is not the only kind of racing. A good car should perform in all areas of driving, including racing, normal driving, fuel economy, power, comfort, etc. My mustang lacks in more of those areas than not.

ORIGINAL: mustangman02232

ORIGINAL: jthorn9

Sn-95 Gts aren't that fast unless you get lucky and can find a 94-95 5.0 for cheap, then you can make it fast for fairly cheap, 96-98s suck balls stock. Look into a 99+ GT if you can afford it. A 94-98 Cobra on the other hand will probably suit you better.


i think you keep forgetting the fact that you baught a built car, any stang that says "GT" and was made from 1994-1998 is about as fast as a 99-04 6, they slooooowwwwwwwww[8D]


I know that they aren't the fastest things on the market, but they are still faster than a 99-04 V6, point is, if you can buy one for $3000, you can spend an additional $1500 and if you can do the work yourself, you can bolt on up to another 80 or more rwhp, not that bad for an old engine. 250-260 rwhp for $4000-$5000, not too bad sounding to me. Hell for $3K for the car and $3.5K for an S/C you can have a 325 rwhp car for $6500, still not too shabby, and that's still on an otherwise stock engine. Tell me how many newer cars have that potential.[8D]

ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

ORIGINAL: fiad06

Theres a reason they stopped making the 300zx.......pos:eek:


theres a real reason they stopped making them, they had such new technology at the time that they were too expensive to sell large quantities of.

dumbass

They stopped selling them because nobody was buying the 300zx, plain and simple. I appreciate you calling me a dumbass man

eaglecatcher


theres a real reason they stopped making them, they had such new technology at the time that they were too expensive to sell large quantities of.

dumbass


Wow... you need to chill the **** out dude... if you "researched" the car then you would have known its slower... So you can try to argue with everyone and bitch about ur car to a group that doesnt give a flying **** or you can sell it and buy another one.... OR you can actually mod it and not just get new plugs and wires thinking it will grow a few horses....

ORIGINAL: xX98StallionXx

eaglecatcher


theres a real reason they stopped making them, they had such new technology at the time that they were too expensive to sell large quantities of.

dumbass


Wow... you need to chill the **** out dude... if you "researched" the car then you would have known its slower... So you can try to argue with everyone and bitch about ur car to a group that doesnt give a flying **** or you can sell it and buy another one.... OR you can actually mod it and not just get new plugs and wires thinking it will grow a few horses....


No eaglecatcher is right....why do we want mustangs when there are 300zx's in the world? Silly us[&o]

ORIGINAL: fiad06

ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

ORIGINAL: fiad06

Theres a reason they stopped making the 300zx.......pos:eek:


theres a real reason they stopped making them, they had such new technology at the time that they were too expensive to sell large quantities of.

dumbass

They stopped selling them because nobody was buying the 300zx, plain and simple. I appreciate you calling me a dumbass man




Thats what I just said. You said they were POS, and now you say thet stopped making because no one was buying, becaues like I said, they were too expensive. Its a better car than any mustang, so its definitely not a POS, it was just expensive at the time. Duh.

when did I say plugs and wires and filters would give me more horsepower? I didn't. All I said was I do that work myself, becaues. whether I like my car or not, I'm going to take care of it.

I never said no one should buy mustangs either. I just said I'd prefer not to drive one because they (sixxers) are pretty slow. Some day in the future, I may buy a Cobra. I would love to drive that, that car handles pretty good and is pretty damn fast. I don't hate mustangs in general, as you can see, the title is ...slow sixxers. I never said mustangs in general.

I'll bitch about my car all I want. its my car and I can do what I want with it. I can drive it off a cliff if I want, and if you don't like it, then why did you even post in this thread? Exactly.

what the hell was the new technology at that time? was it the turbos? dsm's had that....?OBD II that came out in 96? Ford did that also...... Mustang>300zx thats not an opinon its a fact.
nobody was buying them because they were a pos,ugly and expensive......for cheaper then they sold you could pick up a sexy ass 1996 cobra....or would you rather have a 300zx

ok, lets see.

they had DOHC, not a lot of cars had DOHC in 1990
HICAS 4 wheel steering
Suspension adjustable witht he flick of a switch from sport to touring
I also believe it is if not one of the, its the first car to come with a stock TT system in america. I don't think supras came with a stock TT system in 1990, and thats about the only other possibility

it was also named one of the top 25 most beautiful cars every by automobile magazine. didn't see a mustang on there, hmmm, can't be too ugly then.

it has also beat vettes, vipers, rx7's, supras, 3000gt's/stealths in comparison tests. If it beats a vette and a viper, I doubt a mustang can beat it.

so, it handles better, looks better, and drives faster than mustangs, what more do you want?

Why don't you go join a Z forum if you like them so much.

hmmm, maybe I already did. I just don't have one. I happen to be on here since I drive a mustang, and occasionally need to ask a few preguntas.

What questions have you asked? Youve just bashed sixers... Im responding to this thread to tell you how big of a dumbass you are. If you dont like it then stop replying... Exactly.... Stop complaining about something your unwilling to change...

I've ignored this topic long enough, and feel it is now time to interject my opinion/fact.

Presented before me are the rantings of a spoiled nerd, and I think it's obvious to us all. Mommy and daddy got him a "starter" sports car as his first vehicle, he want's to mod it, but has no clue where the 710 cap is, nor does he know why the diesel pump at the gas stationwon't fit in his fuel filler.

So you have a "slow mustang." Being that this is most likely your first car, have you ever driven a fast car? What to you is considered a fast car? What type of performance intails a car which is inherently "not slow"?

If you want to compare vehicles, apples to apples, oranges to oranges, then you just need literacy as your greatest asset. Now if you want to compare "seat-of-the-pants" performance, this is where I think I may shed some light on the subject.

Out of everyone in the v6 section of this site, there are roughly a dozen people who not only post regularly, but are also knowledgable, and informative in their post, based on experience, and most of them have already tried to make sense of this 5 page ramble of crap, yet you have failed to grasp the point.

You want to jump into what you think with only 10k in mods can be a 10 second car, when just by making that statement proves you know so little about building a vehicle, that you don't know how little you think you know. It amazes me that with the knowledge you have acquired from all of your "research" that you don't realize what it means to be in the 10 or even 12 second 1/4 mile range in not only cost, but equipment as well.

As a member who has not only drag raced and road raced, but also built dozens of track only race vehicles I am here to tell you that you sound like a completely spoiled, know-nothing jackass, and you have yet to prove me wrong with even one complete thought from your entire rambling escapade on this thread/forum.

It's one thing to come into a forum in order to gain knowledge, and ask advice from others who have gone where you want to go, but something completely different to come in and immediatly try to make yourself sound as though you are some sort of god that has discovered some unknown secret to going fast in an automobile. I have read all of your post on this thread and several others on various other threads, and I think my assumptions are correct.

First of all, 300zx's are a "decent" sports car, but not after 15 years of abuse. Second of all, your parents won't let you get a REAL sports car, because they seem to be smart enough to know that you obviously aren't smart enough to be able to handle it, be it a Mustang with a v8 or a 300zx.

Having built as many vehicles as I have, that have actually run 9's and 10's in the 1/4 mile, I know that I am not comfortable hopping into one and taking it full blast down the track. I was given the opportunity this very night to drive a car that runs 9.90 in the 1/4. It is a tube frame vehicle on huge slicks, with more cubic inches than you have merit badges. I told the owner I would drive it, but not wide open and only to the 1/8 mile and coast the rest of the way, and I'll still probably trap 110 at the 1/4. I know better than to get into a car like that and think I can handle it with ZERO experience driving that fast, you obviously don't. I know what is involved in going that fast, and I know the dangers involved if I make an error, you obviously don't. I also am helping to rebuild this vehicle, purely to make it prettier, and I know what kind of work is ahead of me, you obviously wouldn't havea clue. Your parents know that a stock v6 mustang is the most you can handle, you obviously don't.

I have a V6 stang and GT Bullitt. My Bullitt would, by many people, be considered a "fast sportscar" in stock form, yet my V6 will be faster. Not just in 1/4 mile racing but also in SCCA ESP catagory racing. I race my v6 mustang against Cobras, Z28's, Miatas, G35's, 350z's,Vipers, Vette's, M3/5's, pretty much anything out there. I lost my last race to an SRT-10 Viper that is track use only for auto-x. It was a very open track and he got me on the straights, but I caught him in turns, he beat me by 2 seconds in a 55 second course.

So according to your calculations and research, all these cars that cost exponentially more than mine should have beaten the pants off me, but for some reason they didn't. All the drivers are experienced, and handled their cars very well, but mine is just set up very well for it's class, and it didn't cost me 10k to do it. I know that completely obliterates every ounce of reasoning that you thought you had coming into this, but hey, sh!t happens.

I could go into further detail about why you are soooo terribly wrong in every statement you have made, I could even go after the way you "try" to re-word what you are saying thinking it will somehow become right. I just don't feel it necessary to waste that much space on this lame-ass thread.

I'm honestly suprised that after the 3rd or 4th time you were proven wrong that you didn't start attacking spelling errors so you could earn that "GRAMMAR MERIT BADGE" you've had your eye on all these years.

In closing, stop acting like a spoiled little whiney bitch, appreciate the FREE car that youhave, and try to ask informative questions instead of making statements that make you look like a total a$$hole.

Ryan

^^^^^^^^^^^Case closed^^^^^^^^^^^

ORIGINAL: RyansQuick6

I've ignored this topic long enough, and feel it is now time to interject my opinion/fact.

Presented before me are the rantings of a spoiled nerd, and I think it's obvious to us all. Mommy and daddy got him a "starter" sports car as his first vehicle, he want's to mod it, but has no clue where the 710 cap is, nor does he know why the diesel pump at the gas stationwon't fit in his fuel filler.

So you have a "slow mustang." Being that this is most likely your first car, have you ever driven a fast car? What to you is considered a fast car? What type of performance intails a car which is inherently "not slow"?

If you want to compare vehicles, apples to apples, oranges to oranges, then you just need literacy as your greatest asset. Now if you want to compare "seat-of-the-pants" performance, this is where I think I may shed some light on the subject.

Out of everyone in the v6 section of this site, there are roughly a dozen people who not only post regularly, but are also knowledgable, and informative in their post, based on experience, and most of them have already tried to make sense of this 5 page ramble of crap, yet you have failed to grasp the point.

You want to jump into what you think with only 10k in mods can be a 10 second car, when just by making that statement proves you know so little about building a vehicle, that you don't know how little you think you know. It amazes me that with the knowledge you have acquired from all of your "research" that you don't realize what it means to be in the 10 or even 12 second 1/4 mile range in not only cost, but equipment as well.

As a member who has not only drag raced and road raced, but also built dozens of track only race vehicles I am here to tell you that you sound like a completely spoiled, know-nothing jackass, and you have yet to prove me wrong with even one complete thought from your entire rambling escapade on this thread/forum.

It's one thing to come into a forum in order to gain knowledge, and ask advice from others who have gone where you want to go, but something completely different to come in and immediatly try to make yourself sound as though you are some sort of god that has discovered some unknown secret to going fast in an automobile. I have read all of your post on this thread and several others on various other threads, and I think my assumptions are correct.

First of all, 300zx's are a "decent" sports car, but not after 15 years of abuse. Second of all, your parents won't let you get a REAL sports car, because they seem to be smart enough to know that you obviously aren't smart enough to be able to handle it, be it a Mustang with a v8 or a 300zx.

Having built as many vehicles as I have, that have actually run 9's and 10's in the 1/4 mile, I know that I am not comfortable hopping into one and taking it full blast down the track. I was given the opportunity this very night to drive a car that runs 9.90 in the 1/4. It is a tube frame vehicle on huge slicks, with more cubic inches than you have merit badges. I told the owner I would drive it, but not wide open and only to the 1/8 mile and coast the rest of the way, and I'll still probably trap 110 at the 1/4. I know better than to get into a car like that and think I can handle it with ZERO experience driving that fast, you obviously don't. I know what is involved in going that fast, and I know the dangers involved if I make an error, you obviously don't. I also am helping to rebuild this vehicle, purely to make it prettier, and I know what kind of work is ahead of me, you obviously wouldn't havea clue. Your parents know that a stock v6 mustang is the most you can handle, you obviously don't.

I have a V6 stang and GT Bullitt. My Bullitt would, by many people, be considered a "fast sportscar" in stock form, yet my V6 will be faster. Not just in 1/4 mile racing but also in SCCA ESP catagory racing. I race my v6 mustang against Cobras, Z28's, Miatas, G35's, 350z's,Vipers, Vette's, M3/5's, pretty much anything out there. I lost my last race to an SRT-10 Viper that is track use only for auto-x. It was a very open track and he got me on the straights, but I caught him in turns, he beat me by 2 seconds in a 55 second course.

So according to your calculations and research, all these cars that cost exponentially more than mine should have beaten the pants off me, but for some reason they didn't. All the drivers are experienced, and handled their cars very well, but mine is just set up very well for it's class, and it didn't cost me 10k to do it. I know that completely obliterates every ounce of reasoning that you thought you had coming into this, but hey, sh!t happens.

I could go into further detail about why you are soooo terribly wrong in every statement you have made, I could even go after the way you "try" to re-word what you are saying thinking it will somehow become right. I just don't feel it necessary to waste that much space on this lame-ass thread.

I'm honestly suprised that after the 3rd or 4th time you were proven wrong that you didn't start attacking spelling errors so you could earn that "GRAMMAR MERIT BADGE" you've had your eye on all these years.

In closing, stop acting like a spoiled little whiney bitch, appreciate the FREE car that youhave, and try to ask informative questions instead of making statements that make you look like a total a$$hole.

Ryan


I'm just gonna raise up thw OWNED flag and be done with it.:D

Well said!!

"He who knows, and knows that he knows, is wise............follow him

He who knows not, and knows that he knows not, is ignorant...........teach him.

He who knows, and knows not that he knows, is asleep...........wake him.

He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool..........stay away from him"

eaglecatcher.........go buy you a rustbucket 300ZX (cuz that's all you'll be able to afford) and stop coming in here whining. If you can't afford one, then go buy you an old Accord or Civic, since we all obviously see what your little rant is meant to imply. I've beaten more than my share of overmatched cars of similar years in my 98 3.8.........so if you think your car is that slow, maybe you're just a sh**ty driver.:D

ORIGINAL: RyansQuick6

I've ignored this topic long enough, and feel it is now time to interject my opinion/fact.

Presented before me are the rantings of a spoiled nerd, and I think it's obvious to us all. Mommy and daddy got him a "starter" sports car as his first vehicle, he want's to mod it, but has no clue where the 710 cap is, nor does he know why the diesel pump at the gas stationwon't fit in his fuel filler.

ok, yeah sure, like I would try and put diesel in my mustang. even my 8 year old brother knows not to do that.


So you have a "slow mustang." Being that this is most likely your first car, have you ever driven a fast car? What to you is considered a fast car? What type of performance intails a car which is inherently "not slow"?


I've driven a 300ZX, a jaguar s-type 4.2L V8, a jaguar X-type, and a Saab 9-5 2.3T I4, . The Z we were test driving, the jaguar s type is my moms car (x type was a rental), and the saab is what my dad is considering buying. I've driven cars with twice the horsepower mine has. A fast car is all relative. What I want my car to be, fast if you want to say it like that, is to get to 60 in less than 9 seconds, and have a 1/4 mile in the 16's, and be able to turn a corner when I tell it to. I realize a mustang can be made to do this, with money of course.


If you want to compare vehicles, apples to apples, oranges to oranges, then you just need literacy as your greatest asset. Now if you want to compare "seat-of-the-pants" performance, this is where I think I may shed some light on the subject.

Out of everyone in the v6 section of this site, there are roughly a dozen people who not only post regularly, but are also knowledgable, and informative in their post, based on experience, and most of them have already tried to make sense of this 5 page ramble of crap, yet you have failed to grasp the point.


I've gotten a few points from people on here (this thread). Whether I acknowledged them or not, I have found out a few things. There have also been people who decided I did not want to start a war, I just simply wanted to know why there were other cars out there that have smaller engines, yet are faster, get better mileage, and handle better. I gave a few examples, and some took this as a war against the mustang, which it wasn't intended to be. I said a few over the top things, a little harsh to say directly to the mustang community, but I just wanted to know why it seems the mustang is so poorly engineered compared to other cars. I got several helpful responses, and some not so helpful that just wanted to start flaming.


You want to jump into what you think with only 10k in mods can be a 10 second car, when just by making that statement proves you know so little about building a vehicle, that you don't know how little you think you know. It amazes me that with the knowledge you have acquired from all of your "research" that you don't realize what it means to be in the 10 or even 12 second 1/4 mile range in not only cost, but equipment as well.

I was not planning on dumping 10k into my car and makin it a full on race car or anythign liek that. I just was wondering a while back what it would take to get a sixxer to 400hp and be able to put it down without shattering to pieces. I figured I might decide to keep the car, and do a few mods every once in a while, to gradually build up power, even if I decided not to go to 400hp, which is a heck of a lot for the street anyway. I was certainly not planning on making a car for the strip. I'm not a drag racing fan, but thats beside the point. I was considering what I could do to my mustang for the price of buying another car, whether it be a GT, a Z, a bike, or a jetta, who knows, I was just getting some input.

As a member who has not only drag raced and road raced, but also built dozens of track only race vehicles I am here to tell you that you sound like a completely spoiled, know-nothing jackass, and you have yet to prove me wrong with even one complete thought from your entire rambling escapade on this thread/forum.

It's one thing to come into a forum in order to gain knowledge, and ask advice from others who have gone where you want to go, but something completely different to come in and immediatly try to make yourself sound as though you are some sort of god that has discovered some unknown secret to going fast in an automobile. I have read all of your post on this thread and several others on various other threads, and I think my assumptions are correct.

ok, just because I'm new to cars and ask some noob questions, doesn't mean I believe myself to be a god. I've asked around to see if there were cheap ways to enhance performance on my car, even the slightest bit. Theres nothing wrong with that. I asked some noob questions like "what can I get for 500 bucks" and I get the answer that says "not a whole lot really" and I"m fine with that. You've got to learn somewhere, and questions like that are a start. I make some stupid statements too, but many of them have fact behind them.


First of all, 300zx's are a "decent" sports car, but not after 15 years of abuse. Second of all, your parents won't let you get a REAL sports car, because they seem to be smart enough to know that you obviously aren't smart enough to be able to handle it, be it a Mustang with a v8 or a 300zx.


300ZX's are damn good sports cars for being 15 years old, and if they've been abused, they still run strong. The ones that have been well maintained run like no other. There are Z's with over 200k on the original motor. I'd say thats pretty good for a high compression sports car engine that has most likely been run pretty hard.

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Having built as many vehicles as I have, that have actually run 9's and 10's in the 1/4 mile, I know that I am not comfortable hopping into one and taking it full blast down the track. I was given the opportunity this very night to drive a car that runs 9.90 in the 1/4. It is a tube frame vehicle on huge slicks, with more cubic inches than you have merit badges. I told the owner I would drive it, but not wide open and only to the 1/8 mile and coast the rest of the way, and I'll still probably trap 110 at the 1/4. I know better than to get into a car like that and think I can handle it with ZERO experience driving that fast, you obviously don't. I know what is involved in going that fast, and I know the dangers involved if I make an error, you obviously don't. I also am helping to rebuild this vehicle, purely to make it prettier, and I know what kind of work is ahead of me, you obviously wouldn't havea clue. Your parents know that a stock v6 mustang is the most you can handle, you obviously don't.

I have a V6 stang and GT Bullitt. My Bullitt would, by many people, be considered a "fast sportscar" in stock form, yet my V6 will be faster. Not just in 1/4 mile racing but also in SCCA ESP catagory racing. I race my v6 mustang against Cobras, Z28's, Miatas, G35's, 350z's,Vipers, Vette's, M3/5's, pretty much anything out there. I lost my last race to an SRT-10 Viper that is track use only for auto-x. It was a very open track and he got me on the straights, but I caught him in turns, he beat me by 2 seconds in a 55 second course.

So according to your calculations and research, all these cars that cost exponentially more than mine should have beaten the pants off me, but for some reason they didn't. All the drivers are experienced, and handled their cars very well, but mine is just set up very well for it's class, and it didn't cost me 10k to do it. I know that completely obliterates every ounce of reasoning that you thought you had comi

since you have a 98 mustang, get underdrive pulleys and a new belt which will bolt on 6-8 rwhp. it's cheap for you guys because you only hvae to change the pulley and not the harmonic balancer.

look here
http://www.v6mustangstuff.com/engine.htm that is $82 for some decent performance gain plus 30-40 for the new belt so for a little over $110 you will get some more power, and a little better gas mileage.

you can get a cai off ebay for like $50 and that will give you better throttle response and a bit more pep.

then you should think about 3.73's and t-lok with a bearing rebuild kit.

for better handling buy this package
http://www.stangsuspension.com/store/comersus_viewitem.asp?idproduct=275

so for a bit over $500 your car will SIGNIFICANTLY handle better.

quit saying mustangs are poorly engineered compared to other cars. you are comparing a base model very inexpensive V6 mustang to a high end (at the time) sports car. as everyone has pointed out you are not comparing dollars to dollars performance. the mustang is a fun, good looking , reliable sporty car. your car was free you stop whining. so for around 1200 (gears, suspension, cai, udp) your car will be a lot quicker and will handle far better than stock. make those mods then come back and whine if you still aren't happy.

I"ll look into that stuff and see. I don't know how much my parents will let me do, but its worth a shot to see. UD pulley will be first thats for sure.

Owned a 98 V6, only good thing about bolt ons was the fact that......................well.................... ..aside from maybe netting me about .5 more mpg........................umm..................th ey made my wallet lighter:D

What the hell is a 98 Mustang V6 5MT anyway?

To address the question you claimed to have ask...
You are comparing the top level performance car from one company to an entry level car of another. Apples and oranges. To really be fair, you should be wise enough to compare top car to top car.

If you didn't mean to start a huge arguement, next time try having the tact to ask the RIGHT question instead of ranting like an uneducated fool. (Even though all the way into your last post you still contradict yourself. Suddenly you want a Jetta...and you think your V6 lacks power - haha!)

ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher

There have also been people who decided I did not want to start a war, I just simply wanted to know why there were other cars out there that have smaller engines, yet are faster, get better mileage, and handle better. I gave a few examples, and some took this as a war against the mustang, which it wasn't intended to be. I got several helpful responses, and some not so helpful that just wanted to start flaming.



Word to the wise, if you dont want to start a war, choose your words carefully, believe me, been there done that as some of the members have too. Also if you didnt want to start a flame war, then next time done start the fire. Ive been there done that like I said.

Basically if you want a fast car but one that your parents will agree with keep the mustang and slowly save up and build up, You can net some horses here and there without going nitrous or s/c, it wont be the fastest in the world but if you dont want to go forced induction then work around it. If you dont want to deal with the mustang any more (sort of how i felt) sell it and buy a car that suits you. Ive been told 100000000 times by 10000000000 people that your young and there will be plenty cars in your future... I am stubborn on the other hand and "know" what I want. I wanted a baller mustang so i got a V6 kuz it was affordable at the time, but now I find myself able to afford FASTER cars that are deemed "Better" than a V6 98. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder, just keep in mind the durability of the 3.8L and build it up as a garage project not some complete overhaul and i think that youll be satisfied with the outcome of not only the car, but the experienced youve gained the satisfaction in creating something your hands (the reason why im getting a early model carbed camaro, im a hands on kind of guy). Obviously lessoned learned, choose your words carefully and listen to what some of the more useful memebers have to say and learn... Thats what i did even though i didnt get very far with my mustang i still came away with tons of knowledge.

enough already

Well, just trying to help now that hes taken some things into consideration. No harm there right?

nope. i wasn't singling you out, i was directing that towards everyone. :)

Ok works for me lol

Wow, I really missed a war...

Thanks for the post Nan!

I think its just the acceleration that makes it feel so slow, plus that and they are pretty stable at higher speeds. I know that when I'm doing 70 it doesn't even feel like I'm going that fast. But in a p.o.s car you feel like you're going 100.

Gears and a new differential will help you accelerate faster (no hp gain though).

I'll give it stable at high speeds. I've hit 106 before, and I felt like I was going about 80 or 90. takes a while to get up there, but not excruciatingly long like some cars.

I know gear wont give me more power, but about how much faster acceleration will I get?

Enough to notice it. Its worth the money

V6's suck @@@SSSSS[8D] Theyre SOOOO SLOW!![8D] Why dont you guys grow a pair and get a V-8[8D]
That was a funny read. You guys are really sensitive about your V-6...........

And eagle cather, you shouldve just got a Probe GT :D. 2.5 v6 that puts out over 30hp more than the 3.8, runs 15's stock, handle really well, get 28+mpg, and look pretty nice. And best of all theyre SUPER cheap. You couldve gotten a nice clean '97 GT or GTS for $2500. Looks like you didnt do your research all that well.
As for the mustang not being able to handle, Ive got an 85 GT and Ive raced 300zxTT's in the twisties, they dont even come close to hangin w/ me. Now a 911 on the other hand thats a good run for my money. :D
-P.

Why dont you grow a pair and buy a cobra? Why not a GT500, who gives a sh!t..

What mods do you have done to your 85 gt?

ORIGINAL: P Zero

V6's suck @@@SSSSS[8D] Theyre SOOOO SLOW!![8D] Why dont you guys grow a pair and get a V-8[8D]
That was a funny read. You guys are really sensitive about your V-6...........

And eagle cather, you shouldve just got a Probe GT :D. 2.5 v6 that puts out over 30hp more than the 3.8, runs 15's stock, handle really well, get 28+mpg, and look pretty nice. And best of all theyre SUPER cheap. You couldve gotten a nice clean '97 GT or GTS for $2500. Looks like you didnt do your research all that well.
As for the mustang not being able to handle, Ive got an 85 GT and Ive raced 300zxTT's in the twisties, they dont even come close to hangin w/ me. Now a 911 on the other hand thats a good run for my money. :D
-P.


take your two extra stanky cylinders and go back to your part of the forum.