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I don't know.... I just can't figure it,,,,, maybe I am just a freak, but I can not understand how people can have no respect for a car or it's owner/builder because it is different from what we would do with our own car, (ricers and euro cars excluded).
I like and respect all cars on this forum and their owners. I can not understand it...... How can a person look at Glen's car, Nor Cal Troy's car, hornblowers car, James Ws car, and all of the other cars posted on this forum and not like all of them? WTF???????????? Man this sh*t is way beyond me.
I thought , optimisticly I suppose, that we could all co-exist,,, stupid me.
I would really like to take everyones side here because I like everyone here, besides Hornblower, (sorry, I wont lie), because I think he absolutly hates people who have a car other than "stock" but I do like his car.
I would love to get my hands on it and cut it all up. (not really, but I wanted to say it anyway) A concurs penance is his car is bought by a crazy hot rodder intent on "cutting up a good car".
The bigotry must end!!!!! VENT
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Jeez:, I never knew there were so many bad feelings toward Soaring. This poor guy is really hated by some. How do you think he must be feeling after reading all these vented up emotions? Perhaps he will have a change of heart become "Angle Glen" for all of us.
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My knee-jerk reaction was to vote to not split the forum up. After reading all the responses and thinking about it further, I'd change my vote if it means that there will be a place that it is okay with the powers to be to dare deviate from how the vehicle rolled off of the factory line. My guess is that all but a handful of posters would just migrate over to that forum and park there full time (almost everybody deviates from stock to one degree or another).
For the life of me I cannot figure why there seems to be a chip on the shoulder of many self proclaimed "purists". Why is it so threatening to dare modify a ride to make it more fast, fun, safe or reliable? Why are Granada brakes okay but EFI isn't? Is there some great love for forgetful sedans yet hatred for the engine that reinvigorated the Mustang nameplate?
What I find completely ironic is that those throwing the rocks live in glass houses! Since when did Magnum 500's come on '65 coupes? I don't seem to recall seeing these wheels on the option list either.
Does all this feedback seem reasonable to you? Do you feel like your being ganged up on? Can you understand the frustration of so many? Would you share with us your point-of-view? Do you feel there is a solution that would meet your needs as well as the majority of others? Do you feel many of us have misunderstood your position?
Hope I'm not out of line since I haven't been here very long but instead of a board split, a second moderator is put on this section for restomod posts.
I'm a complete newbie when it comes to Mustangs. I came to this second because even though I'll be extensively modifying my Rustang (ie restomod) she's a classic at heart with all the problems of a classic. I'll have to admit, at first I was a little put off by Soaring's comments (none ever directed at myself) and I can see where a board shy newbie would of been driven out of the classic section all together. I'm an internet forum veteran, I even run one of my own, and to me there's always 'one' in the bunch so I ignored the comments and found that Soarings posts can be a wealth of knowledge. Everyone's entitled to their opinion but there's a point where that opinion shouldn't be forced on others. I love restomods on some Mustangs. My opinion greatly varies from Soarings. I don't try to force my opinons on anyone and I appreciate the same courtesy in return but I don't think seperation has ever historically been the correct way to control differing opinions.
The problem as I see it is that as the moderator a lot of you think my opinion on any subject is more important or carries more weight than any one of yours. Had any one of you taken the position that I have taken, it wouldn't be a big deal, and probably not even be up for discussion. What we have here is one person who constantly complains to the administration about what I say as an opinion, and the administration is hearing that one person and is trying to come up with a solution to satisfy that one member's concern. In my estimation, it is not the section that is broken, it is that one person who needs to be told that they do not run the Mustang Forums. Personally, I think we have a great group of Mustangers here and have some really good discussions with many varied viewpoints. I would be against splitting up the section, but I don't own the MF, so if it is done, then so be it. And to set the record straight, Troy, I did not call anybody any names in that thread, nor did I belittle any one of you or treat you like 6 year olds. My opinions have been about your cars, not about anybody's personality
< Message edited by Soaring -- 6/5/2007 4:59:53 AM >
What exactly is a restomod? Is adding disc brakes and 3 point seat belts more of a "modern addition"? I know there is a difference between stock and non-stock but wheres the line drawn?
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A mild restomod can be mostly restored, with only a few modifications - mostly in the name of modern safety - headlight upgrades, electronic ignition, modern brakes, radial tires, etc..... All but the most informed enthusiasts would think that they are "stock". Radical restomods can also appear to be "restored" to the untrained eye, but have numerous modifications/modernizations - fuel injected engines, 6-speeds, large diameter wheels, modern interior appointments, etc... At the far end of the spectrum, any car that has visible "engineered modifications" (wheel tubs, radical bodywork, etc) becomes a true "modified" car. I think we have been confusing the term restomod, and that the real objection is a "modified" car and not a restomod.
As a new owner and newbie to working on cars I love the fact you can get such a cross section of opinions and solutions from ALL of the MF users. I think most of us dont have a complete ORIGINAL car, but with only a few mods, i dont think most of us have RESTOMODS either.
Most of us I think fall in the middle and can benefit from everyones input......
GET REAL GUYS ....THIS A FORUM FOR HELPING OUT EACH OTHER AND HAVING A GOOD TIME I DONT CARE IF YOU ARE A CLASSIC ONLY GUY OR A RESTOMOD GUY .... THE LAST TIME I CHECK WE WERE ALL MEN AND WOMEN NOT A BUNCH OF KIDS ... HAVE WE NOT LEARNED FROM HISTORY ABOUT SEPERATING PEOPLE LIKE BLK/WHITE MAN/WOMAN RICH/POOR .... WE ALL BLEED BLUE THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE , WE ARE MUSTANG LOVERS AND WE SHOULD STICK TOGETHER ......
JUST MY 2CENT ... I FEEL BETTER NOW
< Message edited by supermanzx9r -- 6/5/2007 9:22:03 AM >
The problem as I see it is that as the moderator a lot of you think my opinion on any subject is more important or carries more weight than any one of yours. Had any one of you taken the position that I have taken, it wouldn't be a big deal, and probably not even be up for discussion. What we have here is one person who constantly complains to the administration about what I say as an opinion, and the administration is hearing that one person and is trying to come up with a solution to satisfy that one member's concern. In my estimation, it is not the section that is broken, it is that one person who needs to be told that they do not run the Mustang Forums. Personally, I think we have a great group of Mustangers here and have some really good discussions with many varied viewpoints. I would be against splitting up the section, but I don't own the MF, so if it is done, then so be it. And to set the record straight, Troy, I did not call anybody any names in that thread, nor did I belittle any one of you or treat you like 6 year olds. My opinions have been about your cars, not about anybody's personality
Glen, Please don't take this wrong but I have to disagree on a couple of things. 1) I agree that your opinion is probably the most valued here. You definately appear to have the most knowledge and the quickest response to questions. Because of that alone people will take greater offense to your criticism. 2) I have seen you call people names. The most recent time you called a couple of members pricks. I thought it was funny but I am pretty sure they did not think so. 3) You have the power as a moderator to move, lock or delete threads. I have seen you do this in the past on topics that were restomod oriented but did not violate any other rule of the forum. People see this as an abuse of authority. 4) Troy is not the only one to complain to the admins. I personally know of several others, myself included. However we all agree that we want you to continue to be the mod. We ALL value your opinion and your vast knowledge. We just don't want the threads deleted or locked.
I've seen some of this sort of commotion before (elsewhere), and while the occasional controversy can ****e things up a bit it's not in the best long-term interest of a forum for it to be either continual or so close to the surface that it erupts on a regular basis. Getting this resolved is more important than any inconvenience posed by any need for the members to monitor more than one forum. Not that that is really much of a burden - you don't come here to ask or answer questions about other make cars that you might have. Other boards keep powertrain, chassis, electrical, etc., topics completely separate, so I see no problem splitting off the stuff that might be considered too "high-tech" for the most general 'Classic Mustang' audience.
Maybe it would be a good idea to avoid using the 'Restomod' tag in the name of any new forum, particularly if it ends up being a subforum to 'Classic'. Magazine claim to the term aside, there's just too much emotion tied up in that word here. If we're trying to kill off this controversy, we need to wipe out as many of the 'hot buttons' as possible and get rid of the associations that people have come to make. Not put one of them right up front.
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ORIGINAL: Soaring
The problem as I see it is that as the moderator a lot of you think my opinion on any subject is more important or carries more weight than any one of yours. Had any one of you taken the position that I have taken, it wouldn't be a big deal, and probably not even be up for discussion.
Glen, it's not a matter of whether anybody thinks your opinion is more important simply because you are a moderator that's behind all of this. That's something that's earned over time, experience, and sweat equity. Not by membership status. I don't think that this is particularly in question (last week's electrical "short-circuit" notwithstanding).
But information and opinion posted by a moderator does bring with it at least the perception of carrying more weight. If nothing else, the ability of a moderator to unilaterally take certain actions not available to the membership at large means that a moderator may feel free to post under fewer restrictions than what the rest of us are required to comply with, and may attempt to control the general direction that a forum takes. And unless I'm reading too much into it, Rule #13 in the recently-expanded list of Mustang Forum Rules actually puts this in writing. I realize that I'm still something of a newbie here, but I do have several thousand posts scattered across a dozen or so automotive fora, so this is a considered opinion rather than a snap judgment.
A forum can go somewhat 'stale' if the variety of topics is artificially limited and everybody with 100 or more posts knows the "conventional wisdom answers" to most of those by heart. And yes, I'm aware that this could cut both ways.
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Norm (vote to follow)
< Message edited by Norm Peterson -- 6/5/2007 9:37:16 AM >
Doesn't make sense to separate them. If you put in a Basic forum, the more experienced and knowledgeable members will frequent it less, thereby weakening education of the newbies. Maybe the solution is to add a forum for Classic vs Restomod debate? I think we probably just need to quit whining about which is rught and realize that there are different strokes for different folks. Is one right or better? NO.
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My knee-jerk reaction was to vote to not split the forum up. After reading all the responses and thinking about it further, I'd change my vote if it means that there will be a place that it is okay with the powers to be to dare deviate from how the vehicle rolled off of the factory line. My guess is that all but a handful of posters would just migrate over to that forum and park there full time (almost everybody deviates from stock to one degree or another).
For the life of me I cannot figure why there seems to be a chip on the shoulder of many self proclaimed "purists". Why is it so threatening to dare modify a ride to make it more fast, fun, safe or reliable? Why are Granada brakes okay but EFI isn't? Is there some great love for forgetful sedans yet hatred for the engine that reinvigorated the Mustang nameplate?
What I find completely ironic is that those throwing the rocks live in glass houses! Since when did Magnum 500's come on '65 coupes? I don't seem to recall seeing these wheels on the option list either.
I agree 100% with you. It's all about FUN and my fun is moding MY 65 coupe..it's MY 65 coupe. If Soaring has fun restoring his...it is his car...I'll never tell him NOT to do that. Now, if it's a Shelby...leave it stock. A BOSS or CJ...leave it stock. Mine was a restomad in 1978 long before the term was coined. The best 32 Roadster in America is in Columbia, SC and it ain't stock! The body is, but the mechanicals are all new. Personally, I just ignore the 'do it my way or you're wrong' crowd.
This is the last straw, and its bull crap!!!!!!!!!!! I'm leaving the forum till all this blows over one way or the other. If you guys are so childish that you can't get along with someone cuz they want to paint their car the "wrong" color. Its whatever, split it if you like, leave it if you want. Someone pm me when ya'll get it figured out.
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