Many many people have been asking me how I got my supercharger kit for less than $1500. Well, this is how its done. Please make this a sticky.
Even if you dont have an 00-04 you can still get it done just as cheap. I have just quoted prices fora non-intercooled Vortech setup.Search throughhttp://www.superchargersonline.com (http://www.superchargersonline.com/) and you can find prices for different makes and models. I do not work for them but they just have good service and they helped me build my kit.
This is a list of parts youll need to buy.
Vortech Bracket Assembly $289
http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FL111-031
includes:
3/8-16 x 1-3/4" HXHD G8
3/8" AN960 Flat Washers
Belt, K061080-Gatesd Saleen
Mach, 2000 GT Mtg. Brkt
8mm x 1.25 x 65 Soc
8mm x1.25 x 140 HXH
5/16 AN-Washer
6mm x 1.0 x 50mm HXHD Zinc
8mm x 1.25 x 25 HXHD
Radiator Pipe-Stnlss
#24 Gold Seal Hose C
Adel Clamp, 3/4' ID
10-24 x 1/2 Soc HD Cap, Zinc Plt
#10 Flat Washer
10mm x 1.50 x 140 Hex Head
10mm Washer, Zinc Plated
10mm x 1.5 x 65 Bolt, SHCS
#8 x 3/4 Sheet Metal
2000 2V Idler Ply Assy.
Idler Plt Assy, 2V GEN3
Idler Pulley, 6Rib 3" Flangd
Dust Cover (Idler Pulley)
12mm x 1.75 x 20mm Pld
Spacer, Idler Plate 2V G3
3/8-16 x G8 HXHD
1/4 SAE Washer, Pltd
M8 x 1.25 x 140 Bolt
Vortech Discharge Assembly $189
http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FH112-020
includes:
Discharge Tube
3" x 2" Sleeve
2-3/4" x 2" Sleeve
#44 Hose Clamps
#48 Hose Clamps
#16 Hose Clamps
Bosch Bypass Valve
1" x 3.5" Heater Hose
1" x 13.5" Heater Hose
5/32" x 52" Vacuum Line
5/32" TEE
1" Hose Union
1" x 90 Degree Rubber Elbow
Vortech Air Intake Assembly $204
http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FH112-010
includes:
90 Degree Intake Elbow
MAF Meter Bracket Assembly (be sure to order the correct size if you are using a 90mm MAF)
#56 Hose Clamps
3-1/2" x 2" Sleeve
3-1/2" x 9" Flex Hose
#52 Hose Clamps
Air Filter
1/4-20 x 3/4" SHCS
1/4-20 Nylock Nuts
1/4"SAE Washers
Inlet Elbow
3/4" NPT x 1" Hose Fitting
5/8" x 48" Hose
3/4" x 27" Hose
7/16" Rubber Grommet
5/8" Barb
Vortech Oil Feed Assembly $22
http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FH130-026
includes:
1/4" x 26" Oil Feed Hose
.525 Crimp Ferrules
#4 Swivel x 1/4" Hose Barb Fitting
1/8" NPT -4 x 45 Degree male Elbow
1/4" NPT Street TEE
1/4" NPT x -4 90 Degree Fitting
-4 Flare to 1/4 NPT
That is cost for EVERY single item you need to put a Vortech S, SQ, or T trim on your 2000-2004 Mustang GT. Only thing left to buy is the head unit. They are fairly easy to find if you search Ebay, SVTperformance.com, or Corral.net . A used S-trim sells between $400-800 depending on assumed mileage and condition. I bought mine for $700 with discharge pipe and intake. If you want a new head unit they cost $1849 for a brand new satin V-1 s-trim. A used head unit WILL be alot cheaper and perform just as well. Even if the unit needs a rebuild, the cost is about $350 from vortech or you can find some performance shops that can do it for around $100. Mine was in great condition when I picked it up from a guy on Ebay. Even bieng a 6 year old head unit it had no shaft play and seems to be in perfect condition.
If you find a head unit for $600, add the cost of the hardware ($727) and this comes out to $1327 for a COMPLETE vortech s-trim setup every part new but the head unit and fuel injectors. Even if you paid say $800 it would just come out to $1527 before tax and shipping. 96-98 models with the return style fuel system will need a FuelManagementUnit also.
Install takes a full days work to get it done right. Anyone with general knowledge of removing and installing bolts on the front of the timing cover, removing the belt, using a pipe tap, and swapping non-pressed pullies can perform this install.
Heres the install manual: http://www.vortecheng.com/pdf/manuals/4FH4FL218im.pdf
BTW my ebay head unit is still in perfect condition after 20,000 miles of street/track time.:D
INTERCOOLER:
You have three choices:
Vortech Air-Waterhttp://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V8N301-030
$1599
Paxton Air-Air http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=PAX1300001
$1399
DIY Ebay kit
$200~
I went with an Ebay intercooler and found BTI piping from a guy on Ebay so my install was a little easier.
Non-intercooled setups will make around 350-370whp on 8psi. Intercooled setups can make 370-390whp on 8psi and over 400whp on 10psi with supporting mods on a 99-04 GT.[8D]
luckythirteen13
06-03-2007, 11:44 PM
impressive
r.barn
06-04-2007, 02:19 AM
www.treadstoneperformance.com has some damn nice air to air intercoolers
for about $400 also.
610sWolf
06-04-2007, 05:35 PM
Nice write up man, I'm strapped for cash right (two sons, finding new place to live),but really want the performance boost to the car, I'm going to look into this.
so basically this is everything i would need besides the head unit and supporting mods? http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V3FH218-010
Frostbitten
06-07-2007, 10:26 PM
ORIGINAL: jst854
so basically this is everything i would need besides the head unit and supporting mods? http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V3FH218-010
Yes, that does include everything, but you should not buy the complete "mounting kit" because it costs ALOT more than if you were to buy the parts seperately through the "accessories" part of the website. That kit is $1700 where you could get all the same parts for $750 through the accessories section. Its crazy why they would charge that much simply because its a "kit".
performance_stangs97
06-08-2007, 12:18 PM
Thanks alot for posting this thread, I think this is the way Im going to go
yellowgtstang18
06-08-2007, 02:18 PM
how much would spark plugs,fuel pump, mass air meter, cost
mvr
06-08-2007, 03:43 PM
ORIGINAL: yellowgtstang18
how much would spark plugs,fuel pump, mass air meter, cost
+1, how much would those ad to the total. i am very interested in this setup.
ZW99GT
06-08-2007, 03:47 PM
Why would you leave out the 99GT? Why wont it work with them?
Frostbitten
06-08-2007, 08:37 PM
ORIGINAL: performance_stangs97
Thanks alot for posting this thread, I think this is the way Im going to go
no problem, if you have any questions pm me, ill be glad to help.
Frostbitten
06-08-2007, 08:52 PM
ORIGINAL: yellowgtstang18
how much would spark plugs,fuel pump, mass air meter, cost
I run NGK TR6 plugs which are about $2 each so around $16 for all 8. I have a Walbro 255 fuel pump that cost me about $125, but you should go with an SVT Focus pump. It is also 255LPH and costs about $90. Some people get by with the stock MAF on 8psi, but most end up needing a 90mm Lightning MAF. They cost about $75-$100 new on ebay. There are many listings for it at that price. You will also need bigger fuel injectors, preferably 42# . You can buy the MAF and injectors as a package for $300 new.
So in total its about $400 for spark plugs, injectors, MAF, and fuel pump all brand new parts. Look on ebay and you can find good deals for used parts also.
Frostbitten
06-08-2007, 08:57 PM
ORIGINAL: ZW99GT
Why would you leave out the 99GT? Why wont it work with them?
Oh but it will. Sorry I must have forgotten to mention the 99 models. They require a different bracket than the later models. Heres the link......http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FH100-002
There are a little different instructions for the 99 models also. Thats all covered in the installation manual. Theres a link for the manual in the initial post.
c_rizzle05
06-10-2007, 06:19 PM
Would this piping and such work with say... a novi?
WOH HRSY
06-10-2007, 11:28 PM
Awesome info...if you were to buy the head unit new through them it's still $800 less than the complete kit. What head unit is required? I see they have options for curved/straight discharges and clockwise/counter clockwise rotation.
Frostbitten
06-11-2007, 12:48 AM
straight discharge.....pretty sure its clockwise rotation. You can use either V1 or V2 S-trim, SQ-trim, or T-trim
Shawn02GT
06-11-2007, 01:56 AM
our blowers are counter-clockwise rotation
WOH HRSY
06-11-2007, 03:24 PM
Cool thanks!
rp4643
06-20-2007, 07:13 PM
I wonder if this setup would work on a 2001-Saleen, I would go the non -intercooled,, what would be the diff other then HP?
Frostbitten
06-20-2007, 11:03 PM
ORIGINAL: rp4643
I wonder if this setup would work on a 2001-Saleen, I would go the non -intercooled,, what would be the diff other then HP?
If you have the N/A saleen then there wont be any differences except you will need to swap your saleen underdrive pulleys for some off a stock GT. Im pretty sure there wont be much power differences. If you have the saleen supercharged then you would have to convert your motor to stock GT specs, but I dont see why you would really want to do that....
myls1
06-21-2007, 01:46 PM
ORIGINAL: Frostbitten
Many many people have been asking me how I got my supercharger kit for less than $1500. Well, this is how its done. Please make this a sticky.
Even if you dont have an 00-04 you can still get it done just as cheap. I have just quoted prices fora non-intercooled Vortech setup.Search throughhttp://www.superchargersonline.com (http://www.superchargersonline.com/) and you can find prices for different makes and models. I do not work for them but they just have good service and they helped me build my kit.
This is a list of parts youll need to buy.
Vortech Bracket Assembly $289
http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FL111-031
includes:
3/8-16 x 1-3/4" HXHD G8
3/8" AN960 Flat Washers
Belt, K061080-Gatesd Saleen
Mach, 2000 GT Mtg. Brkt
8mm x 1.25 x 65 Soc
8mm x1.25 x 140 HXH
5/16 AN-Washer
6mm x 1.0 x 50mm HXHD Zinc
8mm x 1.25 x 25 HXHD
Radiator Pipe-Stnlss
#24 Gold Seal Hose C
Adel Clamp, 3/4' ID
10-24 x 1/2 Soc HD Cap, Zinc Plt
#10 Flat Washer
10mm x 1.50 x 140 Hex Head
10mm Washer, Zinc Plated
10mm x 1.5 x 65 Bolt, SHCS
#8 x 3/4 Sheet Metal
2000 2V Idler Ply Assy.
Idler Plt Assy, 2V GEN3
Idler Pulley, 6Rib 3" Flangd
Dust Cover (Idler Pulley)
12mm x 1.75 x 20mm Pld
Spacer, Idler Plate 2V G3
3/8-16 x G8 HXHD
1/4 SAE Washer, Pltd
M8 x 1.25 x 140 Bolt
Vortech Discharge Assembly $189
http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FH112-020
includes:
Discharge Tube
3" x 2" Sleeve
2-3/4" x 2" Sleeve
#44 Hose Clamps
#48 Hose Clamps
#16 Hose Clamps
Bosch Bypass Valve
1" x 3.5" Heater Hose
1" x 13.5" Heater Hose
5/32" x 52" Vacuum Line
5/32" TEE
1" Hose Union
1" x 90 Degree Rubber Elbow
Vortech Air Intake Assembly $204
http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FH112-010
includes:
90 Degree Intake Elbow
MAF Meter Bracket Assembly (be sure to order the correct size if you are using a 90mm MAF)
#56 Hose Clamps
3-1/2" x 2" Sleeve
3-1/2" x 9" Flex Hose
#52 Hose Clamps
Air Filter
1/4-20 x 3/4" SHCS
1/4-20 Nylock Nuts
1/4"SAE Washers
Inlet Elbow
3/4" NPT x 1" Hose Fitting
5/8" x 48" Hose
3/4" x 27" Hose
7/16" Rubber Grommet
5/8" Barb
Vortech Oil Feed Assembly $22
http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FH130-026
includes:
1/4" x 26" Oil Feed Hose
.525 Crimp Ferrules
#4 Swivel x 1/4" Hose Barb Fitting
1/8" NPT -4 x 45 Degree male Elbow
1/4" NPT Street TEE
1/4" NPT x -4 90 Degree Fitting
-4 Flare to 1/4 NPT
That is cost for EVERY single item you need to put a Vortech S, SQ, or T trim on your 2000-2004 Mustang GT. Only thing left to buy is the head unit. They are fairly easy to find if you search Ebay, SVTperformance.com, or Corral.net . A used S-trim sells between $400-800 depending on assumed mileage and condition. I bought mine for $700 with discharge pipe and intake. If you want a new head unit they cost $1849 for a brand new satin V-1 s-trim. A used head unit WILL be alot cheaper and perform just as well. Even if the unit needs a rebuild, the cost is about $350 from vortech or you can find some performance shops that can do it for around $100. Mine was in great condition when I picked it up from a guy on Ebay. Even bieng a 6 year old head unit it had no shaft play and seems to be in perfect condition.
If you find a head unit for $600, add the cost of the hardware ($727) and this comes out to $1327 for a COMPLETE vortech s-trim setup every part new but the head unit and fuel injectors. Even if you paid say $800 it would just come out to $1527 before tax and shipping. 96-98 models with the return style fuel system will need a FuelManagementUnit also.
Install takes a full days work to get it done right. Anyone with general knowledge of removing and installing bolts on the front of the timing cover, removing the belt, using a pipe tap, and swapping non-pressed pullies can perform this install.
Heres the install manual: http://www.vortecheng.com/pdf/manuals/4FH4FL218im.pdf
BTW my ebay head unit is still in perfect condition after 20,000 miles of street/track time.:D
INTERCOOLER:
You have three choices:
Vortech Air-Waterhttp://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V8N301-030
$1599
Paxton Air-Air http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=PAX1300001
$1399
DIY Ebay kit
$189
Intercooler-http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/24-x12-X3-FMIC-TURBO-INTERCOOLER-ECLIPSE-Lexus-Corolla_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ019QQ itemZ290125006509QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
Piping kit- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Universal-3-Blue-Intercooler-Turbo-Aluminum-Piping-Kit_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ013QQitem Z230135926297QQrdZ1
I went with an Ebay intercooler and found BTI piping from a guy on Ebay so my install was a little easier.
Non-intercooled setups will make around 350-370whp on 8psi. Intercooled setups can make 370-390whp on 8psi and over 400whp on 10psi with supporting mods on a 99-04 GT.[8D]
Dam i bet it took a long ass time to type all that ****. Very nice by the way.
myls1
06-21-2007, 01:47 PM
ORIGINAL: Frostbitten
Many many people have been asking me how I got my supercharger kit for less than $1500. Well, this is how its done. Please make this a sticky.
Even if you dont have an 00-04 you can still get it done just as cheap. I have just quoted prices fora non-intercooled Vortech setup.Search throughhttp://www.superchargersonline.com (http://www.superchargersonline.com/) and you can find prices for different makes and models. I do not work for them but they just have good service and they helped me build my kit.
This is a list of parts youll need to buy.
Vortech Bracket Assembly $289
http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FL111-031
includes:
3/8-16 x 1-3/4" HXHD G8
3/8" AN960 Flat Washers
Belt, K061080-Gatesd Saleen
Mach, 2000 GT Mtg. Brkt
8mm x 1.25 x 65 Soc
8mm x1.25 x 140 HXH
5/16 AN-Washer
6mm x 1.0 x 50mm HXHD Zinc
8mm x 1.25 x 25 HXHD
Radiator Pipe-Stnlss
#24 Gold Seal Hose C
Adel Clamp, 3/4' ID
10-24 x 1/2 Soc HD Cap, Zinc Plt
#10 Flat Washer
10mm x 1.50 x 140 Hex Head
10mm Washer, Zinc Plated
10mm x 1.5 x 65 Bolt, SHCS
#8 x 3/4 Sheet Metal
2000 2V Idler Ply Assy.
Idler Plt Assy, 2V GEN3
Idler Pulley, 6Rib 3" Flangd
Dust Cover (Idler Pulley)
12mm x 1.75 x 20mm Pld
Spacer, Idler Plate 2V G3
3/8-16 x G8 HXHD
1/4 SAE Washer, Pltd
M8 x 1.25 x 140 Bolt
Vortech Discharge Assembly $189
http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FH112-020
includes:
Discharge Tube
3" x 2" Sleeve
2-3/4" x 2" Sleeve
#44 Hose Clamps
#48 Hose Clamps
#16 Hose Clamps
Bosch Bypass Valve
1" x 3.5" Heater Hose
1" x 13.5" Heater Hose
5/32" x 52" Vacuum Line
5/32" TEE
1" Hose Union
1" x 90 Degree Rubber Elbow
Vortech Air Intake Assembly $204
http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FH112-010
includes:
90 Degree Intake Elbow
MAF Meter Bracket Assembly (be sure to order the correct size if you are using a 90mm MAF)
#56 Hose Clamps
3-1/2" x 2" Sleeve
3-1/2" x 9" Flex Hose
#52 Hose Clamps
Air Filter
1/4-20 x 3/4" SHCS
1/4-20 Nylock Nuts
1/4"SAE Washers
Inlet Elbow
3/4" NPT x 1" Hose Fitting
5/8" x 48" Hose
3/4" x 27" Hose
7/16" Rubber Grommet
5/8" Barb
Vortech Oil Feed Assembly $22
http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FH130-026
includes:
1/4" x 26" Oil Feed Hose
.525 Crimp Ferrules
#4 Swivel x 1/4" Hose Barb Fitting
1/8" NPT -4 x 45 Degree male Elbow
1/4" NPT Street TEE
1/4" NPT x -4 90 Degree Fitting
-4 Flare to 1/4 NPT
That is cost for EVERY single item you need to put a Vortech S, SQ, or T trim on your 2000-2004 Mustang GT. Only thing left to buy is the head unit. They are fairly easy to find if you search Ebay, SVTperformance.com, or Corral.net . A used S-trim sells between $400-800 depending on assumed mileage and condition. I bought mine for $700 with discharge pipe and intake. If you want a new head unit they cost $1849 for a brand new satin V-1 s-trim. A used head unit WILL be alot cheaper and perform just as well. Even if the unit needs a rebuild, the cost is about $350 from vortech or you can find some performance shops that can do it for around $100. Mine was in great condition when I picked it up from a guy on Ebay. Even bieng a 6 year old head unit it had no shaft play and seems to be in perfect condition.
If you find a head unit for $600, add the cost of the hardware ($727) and this comes out to $1327 for a COMPLETE vortech s-trim setup every part new but the head unit and fuel injectors. Even if you paid say $800 it would just come out to $1527 before tax and shipping. 96-98 models with the return style fuel system will need a FuelManagementUnit also.
Install takes a full days work to get it done right. Anyone with general knowledge of removing and installing bolts on the front of the timing cover, removing the belt, using a pipe tap, and swapping non-pressed pullies can perform this install.
Heres the install manual: http://www.vortecheng.com/pdf/manuals/4FH4FL218im.pdf
BTW my ebay head unit is still in perfect condition after 20,000 miles of street/track time.:D
INTERCOOLER:
You have three choices:
Vortech Air-Waterhttp://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V8N301-030
$1599
Paxton Air-Air http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=PAX1300001
$1399
DIY Ebay kit
$189
Intercooler-http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/24-x12-X3-FMIC-TURBO-INTERCOOLER-ECLIPSE-Lexus-Corolla_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ019QQ itemZ290125006509QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
Piping kit- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Universal-3-Blue-Intercooler-Turbo-Aluminum-Piping-Kit_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ013QQitem Z230135926297QQrdZ1
I went with an Ebay intercooler and found BTI piping from a guy on Ebay so my install was a little easier.
Non-intercooled setups will make around 350-370whp on 8psi. Intercooled setups can make 370-390whp on 8psi and over 400whp on 10psi with supporting mods on a 99-04 GT.[8D]
Dam i bet it took a long time to type all that ****. Very nice by the way.
Frostbitten
06-21-2007, 09:46 PM
ORIGINAL: myls1
Dam i bet it took a long time to type all that ****. Very nice by the way.
lol it took a few minutes, but I just cut and pasted the parts list from the vortech manual. Thanks for the good words!
nes
06-22-2007, 04:57 PM
what if i can get my hands on a paxton novi 1000headunit with the bracket? can i used the votech discharge and what not. i cant seem to find anything paxton on the site...
Frostbitten
06-22-2007, 07:16 PM
ORIGINAL: nes
what if i can get my hands on a paxton novi 1000headunit with the bracket? can i used the votech discharge and what not. i cant seem to find anything paxton on the site...
im pretty positive that would work just fine. You may need to buy a little different silicon couplers if the discharge pipe isnt perfectly aligned. You could make it work.
rp4643
06-22-2007, 11:03 PM
frostbit, so with my Saleen everything you have listed wwould work but I would have to change the underdrive pulleys to stock GT, Correct, Is there any other items I would need? gears? Im at 3:55? , Plugs, fule pump, injectors.. I suppose if you call them they will tell you everything needed. I just dont want to under-cover or over kill.
I have o/r H pipes and a JLT CIA plus a SCT2 tune now. a lame 250 HP is all im getting but im at 5300 feet
d3adbolt
06-23-2007, 12:57 PM
*whipes tears from eyes* they don't have mounting kits for new edge 3.8's. the woes of being the hated 6
393Bird
06-23-2007, 02:35 PM
Does the punch to make the drain hole in the pan come with the hose kit?
Frostbitten
06-23-2007, 04:26 PM
ORIGINAL: rp4643
frostbit, so with my Saleen everything you have listed wwould work but I would have to change the underdrive pulleys to stock GT, Correct, Is there any other items I would need? gears? Im at 3:55? , Plugs, fule pump, injectors.. I suppose if you call them they will tell you everything needed. I just dont want to under-cover or over kill.
I have o/r H pipes and a JLT CIA plus a SCT2 tune now. a lame 250 HP is all im getting but im at 5300 feet
Only other things you will need that arent included in the parts list are new spark plugs (NGK TR6), 42# injectors, most likely a 90mm MAF meter, and its recommended you install an SVT Focus fuel pump. You can sell your JLT CAI to make up for some cash and use your SCT2 when you go to have it dyno tuned. 250whp isnt too bad for your mods.....
ORIGINAL:d3adbolt
*whipes tears from eyes* they don't have mounting kits for new edge 3.8's. the woes of being the hated 6
If there is anything you cant find on the website, just give them a call and im sure they can find it for you. Tony will probably answer the phone and if he doesnt have the answers, he'll call vortech and get it for you.....
Frostbitten
06-23-2007, 04:28 PM
ORIGINAL: 393Bird
Does the punch to make the drain hole in the pan come with the hose kit?
Nope, youll need to make a trip to the hardware store for that one.....
holmes14
06-24-2007, 06:24 PM
Hey great write up man, im young and low on cash and this makes getting a supercharger realistic for me. I have a 99 Mustang GT aniversy edition or whatever. My car has around 80k on it, it runs strong as hell but i just wanna make sure this isnt to many miles to throw a supercharger on right? id just run 8psi w/o the intercooler. Will this shorten my motor life allot? My dad has restored allot of cars, and knows allot about cars but has never messed with superchargers, will me and him still be able to put this on my car?One more thing, will i be able to keep my stock gears and clutch in till i save up some more money to change those out? if you could answer those questions for me thatd be great. Thanks, Joey
Fobra
06-24-2007, 06:51 PM
send me a pm for 42s and 90mm for 300 - cheapest ive found is 370.
Frostbitten
06-24-2007, 08:07 PM
ORIGINAL: holmes14
Hey great write up man, im young and low on cash and this makes getting a supercharger realistic for me. I have a 99 Mustang GT aniversy edition or whatever. My car has around 80k on it, it runs strong as hell but i just wanna make sure this isnt to many miles to throw a supercharger on right? id just run 8psi w/o the intercooler. Will this shorten my motor life allot? My dad has restored allot of cars, and knows allot about cars but has never messed with superchargers, will me and him still be able to put this on my car?One more thing, will i be able to keep my stock gears and clutch in till i save up some more money to change those out? if you could answer those questions for me thatd be great. Thanks, Joey
Thanks, this was the only way I could afford one while still in school. Mine had 90k on it when I installed the blower. I have put around 30k on it since then and Mine still runs like new. I have been also running 8psi non-intercooled until just recently. Make sure you have a good tune and im sure you will have no problems. Every now and then youll have some people blow their motors, but usually its either driver error, bad tune, or too much power. 8psi non cooled will get you about 350-360whp and thats very safe. The reliable limit is around 420whp. With 350whp, I ran right next to a stock 03 cobra neither car pulled on the other. The GT's have a nice weight advantage. You and your dad can definately install the kit. I did it by myself in a parking lot. The hardest thing is getting the belt on around the supercharger. Took me all day but was well worth it. Your stock gears will be fine, but youll see huge low end improvements with steeper gears like 3:73's. The stock clutch can handle some decent power. You wont have any problem with it. Just start buying the pieces for it one at a time and before you know it, youll have the whole kit sitting on the floor......
Frostbitten
06-24-2007, 08:24 PM
Oh yea if anyone is serious about doing this, I have a complete air intake assembly im not using. Id take $40+ shipping for it. Its well used, but works. It has the 80mm MAF bracket though, so if your using a lightning MAF you might want to order a 90mm bracket. Comes with filter, MAF bracket, plastic elbow, flex hose, plastic intake tube, and all couplers with clamps.....
holmes14
06-24-2007, 09:22 PM
Thanks for the reply, now you got me itching to get some money put together and do this lol! Your talking about a good dyno tune right? how much does that usually cost? I gotta get myself a job at a local factory for the summer and asap!
holmes14
06-24-2007, 09:28 PM
oh and yeah i would plan on getting a intercooler, gears, and possibly upgrade the clutch a few months later or something but i just wanna get a supercharger on this thing and soon.
If you come across any used superchargers that would work for this, send me a link so i can get some ideas of what to expect
kartoon321
06-25-2007, 01:06 AM
how about in the 1989-1993 mustangs....what size injectors would you use on the 5.0's?what size fuel pump?.....would everything be the same as you describe for the 00-04 ???
holmes14
07-01-2007, 08:58 PM
How can i be sure when buying a head unit if its still good or not? and how much does it cost to get one to be rebuilt? Also does it matter what kinda head unit you use?
Frostbitten
07-01-2007, 09:38 PM
ORIGINAL: holmes14
How can i be sure when buying a head unit if its still good or not? and how much does it cost to get one to be rebuilt? Also does it matter what kinda head unit you use?
If you are buying one off the internet, the only thing you can really do is check the serial number. Ask the seller what the serial number is, then call vortech and ask them for the history of that number. They will tell you exactly when the unit was manufactured, when it was sold, and if it has been in their shop for service or not. Anytime you send the unit in they will do a "minor service" on the unit. That consists of changing all seals and bearings. The cost is about $350 for the service from vortech. Its really way overpriced because you can get the same seals and bearings from parts stores for under $75. They will tell you that their seals and bearing are "only avaliable through vortech" BUT, if you take the unit apart all the seals and bearings have part numbers on them. You then take those numbers to the parts store nearest you, and have them cross-reference those numbers to another brand. I had my input shaft seal changed because a strand of belt stripped off and wrapped around the input shaft destroying that seal. It was a $5 seal at autozone and was actually better quality than the original one. Seals are super easy to change, you just pull them out and press the new ones into place. Bearings arent hard either. If a shop is willing, it would only cost about $100 to have the seals and bearings changed out. Vortech just doesnt want to give out the part numbers because they would lose alot of money on "minor services" if they did.
As long as the blower spins freely and doesnt have any shaft play, its probably in excellent shape. Inside the blower case their are only 2 gears that will not go bad unless the unit doesnt get any oil. Also make sure the impeller is not bent.
Any unit will work as long as it is an S-trim (v1 or v2) and the v1 T-trim will work also. For 96-04 cars, you need a counterclockwise rotation head unit with straight discharge. Looks like this.........http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Vortech-Supercharger_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ133202QQih Z011QQitemZ320131392440QQrdZ1
holmes14
07-01-2007, 10:46 PM
Thanks thats good to know, ill have to keep my eye out for any good deals... if you see any let me know. Thanks, Joey
kylegrant
07-02-2007, 09:10 PM
What would be the ideal sized injectors and fuel pump to use for 2000 gt. And what brand injectors and fuel pump would you recomend. Thanks
Frostbitten
07-02-2007, 09:35 PM
ORIGINAL: kylegrant
What would be the ideal sized injectors and fuel pump to use for 2000 gt. And what brand injectors and fuel pump would you recomend. Thanks
Ford Racing 42# injectors and SVT Focus fuel pump. The focus fuel pump is 255lph. If your planning on going really big with power then you may need to upgrade to an 03 cobra fuel tank and pumps. That would only be needed well over 400whp though.
nanaki
09-13-2007, 08:59 PM
bump
Stonewall83
09-13-2007, 11:59 PM
why not just make this a sticky??
this is my favorite thread on this whole site
actually makes a blower on a college budget seem likely
nanaki
09-14-2007, 10:35 AM
i was getting around to it. i was searching for it and bumped it up so i can just sticky it from the front page
96_LAstang
09-15-2007, 05:39 PM
Frostbitten, don't you need a By-pass valve assembly?Also I am doing a PI swapwhat mounting bracket would i need for my 96 GT
GhostRider02GT
09-15-2007, 07:24 PM
Well Frostbitten you have become MF's new favorite member! lol!Great post BTW, I am too in college and this would be great if I was gonna go the supercharge route
SlvrOhTwoGeeTee
09-16-2007, 01:51 AM
I don't want to sound like an a$$ or anything but this is almost to good to be true. With the parts you have listed + supercharger head, an SVT Focus fuel pump, 42# injectors and a Lightning 90 MM MAF this will bolt right up to say an 02 GT? If that is true you are my hero and I am going to forage for these parts while the car is sleeping this winter and install it 1st thing in the spring.
Fobra
09-16-2007, 08:46 PM
yea it can be done.. however this all contingent upon you findinga blower in decent shape in that price range - I see used s trims go for 1000-1500 for just the head unit that arnt tore up, and many of the ebay kits had that problem he listed - no oil - and the gears are trashed, so it could be a 500-600 rebuild, so figuring those prices, it could cost you 2k-2500 for this setup w/o the cooler, and there is also the possiblity of trash in the unit (metal shavings) that could cause alot of problems (mostly for the blower unit) and possibly the engine. The biggest problem with this idea is the used unit, most used units are coming off of blown up motors - they have shavings in the units - they still function for a little while, untill the bearings burn up - this is after you have installed and tuned this thing on your car - so you loose 500 or more in tuning and installation - only to have to do it again once you get the blower rebuilt - and of course the risk of some damage to your motor. This call be avoided howver if you buy a used unit and send it straight to vortech (dont install it right away) - this is the best advice and will most likely save you alot of trouble and money
abmtex2007
09-17-2007, 09:26 AM
this is my math
727 - brackets, bolts etc...
600 - supercharger
100 - fuel pump
400 -46lbs injectors and 90mm MAF
500 - sct and two hours of dyno tunes
2327 total
nanaki
09-17-2007, 09:28 AM
the mounting bracket kit only costs $299 direct from vortech, not $727. i should know.
on a side note. if anybody is in the northern VA area, or wants to drive out here, my S trim is for sale. it's getting ripped off this week and getting upgraded to a T trim.
abmtex2007
09-17-2007, 12:24 PM
i ment it was all the hardware for $727
ORIGINAL: nanaki
the mounting bracket kit only costs $299 direct from vortech, not $727. i should know.
on a side note. if anybody is in the northern VA area, or wants to drive out here, my S trim is for sale. it's getting ripped off this week and getting upgraded to a T trim.
SlvrOhTwoGeeTee
09-22-2007, 12:00 AM
If someone doing this plans to intercool right off the bat, meaning installing a cooler same time as the charger would they need the discharge tube kit? I would think the only thing you still need in it is the BPV and then you can get the Bosch or an aftermarket one. Save your self that initial 189$ and put it towards the cooler piping.
gettin screwed
10-22-2007, 02:10 PM
thats about all u need but what about the new fuel pump? and a tune? how much do they cost
cobra4579
10-23-2007, 05:48 PM
Will this same setup work on my 97 cobra?
1fast 99gt
11-07-2007, 12:30 AM
Could i use a procharger headunit for this?
supra12987
11-11-2007, 02:17 PM
i have a question, upon doing this would i for sure have to change exhaust, heads, ect... or anyhting else???
sunguf
11-11-2007, 09:28 PM
how much is shipping roughly? i don't want to put my credit card number in just yet
sunguf
11-11-2007, 09:31 PM
got a quote of 74 dollars
sstang
11-14-2007, 10:22 PM
Anyone else done this yet?
I'm currently working on the fuel system. Anyone know the cheapest place to get some 39- 46lb. injectors?
sunguf
11-15-2007, 08:55 AM
I'm about to order it all but I'm stuck between new and a used kit I can get for 1400
trickdriller
11-15-2007, 09:40 AM
ORIGINAL: sstang
Anyone else done this yet?
I'm currently working on the fuel system. Anyone know the cheapest place to get some 39- 46lb. injectors?
Yup, I did. I just sold the kit because I'm trying something different, but it cost me around $1600 with everything from the fuel pump to the Head Unit. VERY doable, just shop around.
sunguf
11-15-2007, 04:18 PM
I'm getting a complete used kit for 1400, missing a few things which would come out to 1900 tops with everything. should i buy it?!
sstang
11-16-2007, 09:10 AM
Yup, I did. I just sold the kit because I'm trying something different, but it cost me around $1600 with everything from the fuel pump to the Head Unit. VERY doable, just shop around.
Where did you get your injectors from? I'm looking for 42 lb. injectors preferably. Does anyone know if Lightning injectors have the same spray pattern as GT's?
I'm getting a complete used kit for 1400, missing a few things which would come out to 1900 tops with everything. should i buy it?!
What do yo get for $1400 and what condition/mileage?
lewistk
12-20-2007, 08:00 AM
nice write up man
middiepride
12-29-2007, 04:46 PM
so would this work on a carbureted classic youi think? with a little work do you think so?
Hells yeah!!!!!! Damn I can't wait to do this. It makes supercharging a reality!!!!
1fast 99gt
01-19-2008, 04:44 PM
yeah the headunit is used i think its from a guy on this site. i bought the whole kit from trickdriller so he put everything togather i think he said it was around 500 from the headunit with 10,000 miles on it. i cleaned it up a little.
h0micide
01-20-2008, 03:38 PM
i have a 97 cobra and found everything but the headunit... im not sure what i need... straight discharge? curved discharge? clockwise? counter-clockwise? v-1? v-2?
i kno that i am looking for a vortech headunit to make at least 350hp/ft-lbs but no more than 400 to the rear wheels
also what injectors/fuel pump would work well for me?
avexhype
01-22-2008, 09:37 AM
i believe its a straight discharge and the Tube is what curves the air to the TB, counter clock wise, v1 or v2 doesnt matter just preference but a v2 might flow better if its not a t trim. As far as fuel, after some research ive decided to go with:
42 lbs injectors, svt focus fuel pump with a KB boost a pump. Remember i have a GT though so i dont know if the same fuelsetup would be idealfor you. I dont plan on going over 400 whp
h0micide
01-25-2008, 05:58 PM
thx man, yeah i dont plan on going over 400 hp/ft-lbs until i do a tranny swap
007Bullet
02-05-2008, 02:09 AM
how many horse's you puting out ?
Hotness
02-12-2008, 03:59 PM
This looks like something i am going to check out. I am adding some power to my gt soon and this setup and price would really help out. thanks for the research.
Frostbitten
03-23-2008, 01:58 PM
Sorry guys, I have been away from this site for a long time. Couple bad members turned me away I guess but im over it now. Im so glad that everyone liked my post and it finally became a sticky! Thanks for all the kind words everyone!:D 1fast 99gt and trickdriller im so happy for you! If just one member is able to get boosted on a college budget then I have completed my initial objective. S-trim head units have been fairly scarce lately though. They dont last very long on ebay so its a good idea to contact the seller and see if he/she will end the auction for a specific price. I hope more members are able to use this information so they can have supercharger. If I had all the money on the world I would buy everyone here a kit, but for now this is the best I can do lol...I will be checking in more often on this board so if you have any more questions let me know. I had about 10 different PMs in my box that I never saw because I had been away so long. If you sent me a PM about this and I did not answer then I am sorry and if I can help any of you out still then let me know. My email is: jdl2z@mtsu.edu if anyone cant get through to me by PMs....Happy Easter everyone!
Demonarco
03-24-2008, 04:27 PM
hey frost, thanx for your help on here, my car is in the shop now getting those parts the stang. you should be formular with the place where the stang is. if not you should now. Delks is putting on my parts for me. this should give you an idea where i live.
Frostbitten
03-24-2008, 09:00 PM
ORIGINAL: Demonarco
hey frost, thanx for your help on here, my car is in the shop now getting those parts the stang. you should be formular with the place where the stang is. if not you should now. Delks is putting on my parts for me. this should give you an idea where i live.
Thats awesome. Delk does good work and the guys there really know their stuff. Ive always had good experiences with them. Let me know how the car turns out. I go to "the hill" every once in awhile and I like to go to the fairgrounds too. The fairgrounds is mostly ricers and such but its pretty fun because they have a burnout contest, car show, and there are alot of domestics that come out too. Id like to see the finished product when you get it running...
lou328
03-25-2008, 01:47 PM
Would this be the same for a 2007 Mustang GT?
nanaki
03-25-2008, 02:30 PM
no
Demonarco
03-25-2008, 03:34 PM
i knew at 1 time the fair grounds was a place you could go. when is it the best time to go, and is the hill open yet? how long have you been in the middle tn area?
Frostbitten
03-25-2008, 06:38 PM
ORIGINAL: Demonarco
i knew at 1 time the fair grounds was a place you could go. when is it the best time to go, and is the hill open yet? how long have you been in the middle tn area?
Yea the fairgrounds is kind of hit or miss sometimes. Id say that about half the time its packed and other half theres not so many people there. On fridays everyone either goes to the hill or the fairgrounds and the hill is a bit more popular. Saturdays alot of people go to the bridge. Its a street racing croud but many are just out there to hang out. The hill is open already but only for NHRA racing. The test and tune starts on april 1st which is a tuesday and the late night starts the following friday. The fairgrounds are scheduled to open up on the 18th. Last year they BS'ed and didnt even open the first day they were scheduled to open. That turned alot of people away for the whole year. Everyone was excited to get back in there like I was and it was a big letdown. Ill just call and check first this time. I grew up in Hermitage so ive been in Nashville all my life but I just had to move up here to murfreesboro for school.
Demonarco
03-29-2008, 01:15 PM
Right on, Thanx for the heads about the tracks. Ive never heard of the bridge. Ive lived in middle tn my whole life myself. I went to high school at Mt. Juliet. So Im pretty sure we have crossed path at 1 time or so. I did get the Stang out last wed. I thought I was suspsoe to be making 390-400 hp. I did ask Delks about that. They said that my pulley was not small enough. Which I went to Delks a month ago and ask what size pulley i would need to make 8-10 boost. I am making 5 pounds of boost, So im at 320 hp. My pulley size is 3.55. So I given wrong info. I went back up to Delks to talk to them about I was unsatified about my goal. So Im suspose to take the Stang back thurs to get a smaller pulley. Well anyway take it easy.
Frostbitten
03-30-2008, 07:58 PM
ORIGINAL: Demonarco
Right on, Thanx for the heads about the tracks. Ive never heard of the bridge. Ive lived in middle tn my whole life myself. I went to high school at Mt. Juliet. So Im pretty sure we have crossed path at 1 time or so. I did get the Stang out last wed. I thought I was suspsoe to be making 390-400 hp. I did ask Delks about that. They said that my pulley was not small enough. Which I went to Delks a month ago and ask what size pulley i would need to make 8-10 boost. I am making 5 pounds of boost, So im at 320 hp. My pulley size is 3.55. So I given wrong info. I went back up to Delks to talk to them about I was unsatified about my goal. So Im suspose to take the Stang back thurs to get a smaller pulley. Well anyway take it easy.
Thats odd because I was making 8.5psi with a 3.60 pulley non intercooled and with full exhaust. Im not sure why your only seeing 5psi?
Demonarco
04-01-2008, 12:16 PM
yea i have no idea either, i have Lt headers and off rd x-pipe, 70mm throttle, and diablo
chevyman95
04-13-2008, 08:43 PM
anybody have trouble finding a good reasonably priced head unit?
Im trying to find an SQ but I can't find anything for less than $1000
Hoppers04Gt
04-14-2008, 08:06 PM
ORIGINAL: chevyman95
anybody have trouble finding a good reasonably priced head unit?
Im trying to find an SQ but I can't find anything for less than $1000
Yea its hard. I'm trying to find one, but I might just suck it up and buy a new one. That way I know its notgunna be fu*ked up.
avexhype
04-15-2008, 11:33 PM
v2 used head units are not gonna be easily found under 1000.00 in good condition. ive been looking for one since NOVEMBER, yes, NOVEMBER of 07 and just barely gave up and bought a used headunit with 8k miles on it. i payed 1050.00 shipped. i know its a lil more then i should of but it was the blower i was exactly looking for: V2 SQ-S trim.
Demonarco
04-16-2008, 01:07 PM
a good place is to look would be craigslist. just look around in different cities. i looked in maryland. i found a new 1 for 800.00. like i said you just have to look around in different cities. if it was me i would in atlanta, maryland, texas, tennessee, maybe flordia
skidawgz
04-17-2008, 02:44 PM
how closesly does the OP apply to a v6 2004?
Frostbitten
04-18-2008, 02:55 PM
ORIGINAL: skidawgz
how closesly does the OP apply to a v6 2004?
The parts you need for a v6 are.....
Intake assembly $204.....http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FF112-010
Bracket assembly $279....http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FF111-021
discharge assembly and bpv $214....http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FF112-020
oil feed $39....http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FF130-026
oil drain $29....http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FF130-036
plus the head unit, maf, injectors, and something to get it tuned with but thats the meat of the kit above^^^
skidawgz
04-18-2008, 06:16 PM
thank you sir.
jmsjags
04-20-2008, 09:04 PM
so if i buy the head unit brand new off superchargersonline, which one do i get? do i want a v-1 or v-2? and which trim lvl? s, sc, or e?
medrick
04-20-2008, 09:49 PM
dude you are the man for this info.
Frostbitten
04-21-2008, 06:41 PM
ORIGINAL: jmsjags
so if i buy the head unit brand new off superchargersonline, which one do i get? do i want a v-1 or v-2? and which trim lvl? s, sc, or e?
you can get either the s, sq, e, or t trim, but it needs to have counterclockwise rotation and straight discharge. Its all about preference. The v1 s and t trims have straight cut gears and will be loud. The v2 sq and e trims have helical cut gears and are alot quieter. The e-trim was only used for a couple different applications and not many people use them.
jmsjags
04-21-2008, 10:31 PM
ok 1 more question for now...
the mongoose kit says it comes with an IAT sensor. will i need to buy that also? or is it not necessary?
Frostbitten
04-21-2008, 10:58 PM
ORIGINAL: jmsjags
ok 1 more question for now...
the mongoose kit says it comes with an IAT sensor. will i need to buy that also? or is it not necessary?
Yes it is needed if your car did not come with an external IAT sensor from the factory. The stock mass air flow sensor on my car which is an 03 has the IAT sensor built in. On some earlier cars it uses external. You want to have the IAT sensor in the discharge pipe so it reads the correct intake temps. If your using the stock maf then you will only be reading the temps before the supercharger. You will most likely need the 90mm lightning MAF anyways and it does not come with a built in IAT sensor. So since the mongoose kits come with a lightning MAF, they have to include an external IAT sensor. It has to be spliced into the maf wiring. Not a big deal though.
kushal_22
04-23-2008, 12:34 AM
Just what I was looking for. WHat about a eaton M90 for a head unit? I seen one of these for under 400 on ebay
Mal
Frostbitten
04-23-2008, 12:05 PM
the eaton m90 is a completely different type of blower. Theres no way you could use that as a head unit in one of these vortech kits. Its a roots style blower that sits on top of the motor and the vortech is a centrifugal that mounts on the front of the timing cover....
lilmarc1988
04-25-2008, 06:42 PM
ORIGINAL: Frostbitten
ORIGINAL: jmsjags
ok 1 more question for now...
the mongoose kit says it comes with an IAT sensor. will i need to buy that also? or is it not necessary?
Yes it is needed if your car did not come with an external IAT sensor from the factory. The stock mass air flow sensor on my car which is an 03 has the IAT sensor built in. On some earlier cars it uses external. You want to have the IAT sensor in the discharge pipe so it reads the correct intake temps. If your using the stock maf then you will only be reading the temps before the supercharger. You will most likely need the 90mm lightning MAF anyways and it does not come with a built in IAT sensor. So since the mongoose kits come with a lightning MAF, they have to include an external IAT sensor. It has to be spliced into the maf wiring. Not a big deal though.
where can u find an iat sensor?? like how much is it??
Dsmfighter
04-26-2008, 01:46 PM
Good info!!!! I've recently been working on this myself. I managed to pick up a polished V-1 s-trim with a bunch of extras for 1100. I'm really only interested in the head unit itself and have a bunch of extras for sale extremely cheap( polished bracket for an 01, intake tube-needs filter and couplers,aftercooler setup minus the ice box, wiringand hoses).
If anyone needs them send me a PM.
Again, GREAT INFO!!!!! perfect way to show those pesky LS1 cars whats up.
jv101
04-27-2008, 10:38 AM
im am still a little new to the superchargers. so my question is whats the difference between the vortech heads (v1,v2,etc..)
also what type of HP could i make on a supercharged v6 mustang?
Edit: also whats the advantages of supercharging over turbocharging a mustang? and turbocharing over supercharging
Frostbitten
04-27-2008, 12:07 PM
Here is a pic of the 94-04 V6 mustang kit
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/prod_imgs/img-88-0-xlarge.jpg
quoted from vortech...." The addition of the V2-SQ S-Trim supercharger on the 94-98 V6 will increase horsepower from 150 to 215 and increase torque from 215 to 259lb./ft, On the 99-00 V6 horsepower will increase from 193 to 278 and increase torque from 225 to 286lb./ft."
I could not find any quotes for power numbers on the 01-04 v6 cars. But I know for a fact that the same kit fits all 94-04 engines. The whole kit is $4600 from vortech for the 99-00 models and $3600 for the 94-98 models. The 99-00 kit comes with larger injectors and ECM module, while the 94-98 kit comes with an external fuel pump and fuel management unit. This must be the only reason in price difference. I believe that the 01-04 models require a higher flowing in tank pump, larger injectors, and custom ecu tuning. I believe that is why they do not list a kit for those years but im not sure. Those HP numbers are with the stock engine on 8.5psi non intercooled. They dont sell an aftercooled version, but if someone were able to fit an intercooler on, it would make more power. Procharger sells an intercooled v6 kit for about $2800 I believe, which is not a bad deal.
Frostbitten
04-27-2008, 12:19 PM
ORIGINAL: jv101
im am still a little new to the superchargers. so my question is whats the difference between the vortech heads (v1,v2,etc..)
also what type of HP could i make on a supercharged v6 mustang?
Edit: also whats the advantages of supercharging over turbocharging a mustang? and turbocharing over supercharging
The v1 is loud because it has straight cut gears. The v2 is alot quieter because it has helical cut gears. I believe the gear ratio is a bit higher for the v2 also but I dont think it affects boost production very much. At least thats what Ive heard. I had the v1. You will need a head unit with a curved discharge. Lucky because those are the ones found on ebay all the time. People have trouble finding the straight discharge units. Turbos will make more power everywhere and put less drag on the engine. They make full boost alot sooner than the vortech. My 62mm should make 11psi by 3000rpm where the v1 s-trim made about 5psi at 3000 and 11psi at 6000. Still the vortech was really fun, but the turbo is going to be alot faster especially in the lower rpms...
jv101
04-27-2008, 01:10 PM
so would it be worth it to look into turbos over superchargers?
my goal is to make 300-400hp at the wheels, and will most likely be my daily driver (which is just to school and work... both are within 10miles of me)
sorry for all the questions and questions that may come. just looking for the best bang for my buck w/o cutting corners!
Frostbitten
04-27-2008, 01:57 PM
ORIGINAL: jv101
so would it be worth it to look into turbos over superchargers?
my goal is to make 300-400hp at the wheels, and will most likely be my daily driver (which is just to school and work... both are within 10miles of me)
sorry for all the questions and questions that may come. just looking for the best bang for my buck w/o cutting corners!
well if you can find a complete kit for around the same price as this vortech then yes it would be worth it. keep in mind that the vortech is a complete bolt on kit with a much easier installation. There have been guys that have built turbo kits for the v6 for pretty cheap, but they do all the work themselves and are good with welding. It takes more modification but in the end makes more power. The vortech is alot simpler to work with you just bolt it on and go. Its probably not going to make 3-400whp, but it will give you enough to beat GTs if you have a 99+ model. Turbo would be the way to go if your looking for big numbers.
jv101
04-27-2008, 02:18 PM
hmm. i might just plan on going w/ the supercharger
what type of numbers can i pull out of a v6 mustang w/ a supercharger and flowmaster exhaust?how much boost could it handle andalso what type of tuning and ECU would i need (if any)
Frostbitten
04-27-2008, 03:38 PM
ORIGINAL: jv101
hmm. i might just plan on going w/ the supercharger
what type of numbers can i pull out of a v6 mustang w/ a supercharger and flowmaster exhaust?how much boost could it handle andalso what type of tuning and ECU would i need (if any)
what year? Cat back exhaust system will only give a couple more hp. If you really want an increase in power then you should buy a true dual kit. There is a company named Pypes that sells a complete true dual exhaust kit from the headers all the way back for $400 on ebay. It comes with an offroad x pipe and stainless 2.5 inch piping with 3 inch tips. You can get the high flow catted version for $479 i think. That would give a nice increase in power. Its probably best to keep it under 9psi while non intercooled because of the heat. If you go with a procharger you can run 10psi but theyre more expensive. The v6 vortech kit can be put together for pretty cheap. If you get the vortech you could also buy a meth injection kit to run 10 psi. You will want to buy an sct or diablosport tuning device for it, depending on what the tuner uses. It will need to be tuned on the dyno with a handheld programmer or a chip. The tuning will keep your engine running safe and will allow much more power.
jv101
04-27-2008, 03:54 PM
i am planning on going w/ a 1999-2001 mustang (i would still like to get a GT however i have not beenable to find one for a pricei like! so i am looking at all my options)
i called summit up today and asked what their pricing was on flowmaster exhaust and got a price of $500ish. I really like the sound of the dual flowmaster super 40's!
if you want you can message me (so i dont clutter this thread up anymore)
lilmarc1988
04-28-2008, 12:41 AM
ORIGINAL: lilmarc1988
ORIGINAL: Frostbitten
ORIGINAL: jmsjags
ok 1 more question for now...
the mongoose kit says it comes with an IAT sensor. will i need to buy that also? or is it not necessary?
Yes it is needed if your car did not come with an external IAT sensor from the factory. The stock mass air flow sensor on my car which is an 03 has the IAT sensor built in. On some earlier cars it uses external. You want to have the IAT sensor in the discharge pipe so it reads the correct intake temps. If your using the stock maf then you will only be reading the temps before the supercharger. You will most likely need the 90mm lightning MAF anyways and it does not come with a built in IAT sensor. So since the mongoose kits come with a lightning MAF, they have to include an external IAT sensor. It has to be spliced into the maf wiring. Not a big deal though.
where can u find an iat sensor?? like how much is it??
^^ still wondering:D
Quick Shot xMLx
04-28-2008, 01:19 AM
If I used a 5.4 short block(using everything else off my 4.6) would all the mounting stuff from this write-up still work?
bmw5002
04-28-2008, 01:20 AM
ok guys im looking to educate myself and my friend who may be interested in my help piecing together a supercharger kit like this for his 97 gt. i understand how pretty much everything here works, cept im not very knowledgeable on the kind of engine management that is used commonly with a kit like this. could you go with a flash programmer? or would you have to go standalone? or is piggy back like a greddy emanage an option? does the factory ecu account for the extra airflow, or does the car actually have to be tuned with a wideband 02 sensor and all? i would be doing the tuning for him on the street. i have a laptop so no problem there. ill just have him get a wb02 and work off of that. i just need to know what solution would allow this type of tuning for the 97 gt 2v motor and ecu?
thanks
Frostbitten
04-28-2008, 04:22 PM
ORIGINAL: lilmarc1988
ORIGINAL: lilmarc1988
ORIGINAL: Frostbitten
ORIGINAL: jmsjags
ok 1 more question for now...
the mongoose kit says it comes with an IAT sensor. will i need to buy that also? or is it not necessary?
Yes it is needed if your car did not come with an external IAT sensor from the factory. The stock mass air flow sensor on my car which is an 03 has the IAT sensor built in. On some earlier cars it uses external. You want to have the IAT sensor in the discharge pipe so it reads the correct intake temps. If your using the stock maf then you will only be reading the temps before the supercharger. You will most likely need the 90mm lightning MAF anyways and it does not come with a built in IAT sensor. So since the mongoose kits come with a lightning MAF, they have to include an external IAT sensor. It has to be spliced into the maf wiring. Not a big deal though.
where can u find an iat sensor?? like how much is it??
^^ still wondering:D
part number dy-754
f6sz-12a697-a
probably around $20...
Frostbitten
04-28-2008, 04:24 PM
ORIGINAL: Quick Shot xMLx
If I used a 5.4 short block(using everything else off my 4.6) would all the mounting stuff from this write-up still work?
I am not sure. You should find out if the timing covers are the same. I believe they are but im not sure. If the timing covers are the same then yes it will work. It just needs to bolt up to the timing cover and everything else will fit.
Frostbitten
04-28-2008, 04:33 PM
ORIGINAL: bmw5002
ok guys im looking to educate myself and my friend who may be interested in my help piecing together a supercharger kit like this for his 97 gt. i understand how pretty much everything here works, cept im not very knowledgeable on the kind of engine management that is used commonly with a kit like this. could you go with a flash programmer? or would you have to go standalone? or is piggy back like a greddy emanage an option? does the factory ecu account for the extra airflow, or does the car actually have to be tuned with a wideband 02 sensor and all? i would be doing the tuning for him on the street. i have a laptop so no problem there. ill just have him get a wb02 and work off of that. i just need to know what solution would allow this type of tuning for the 97 gt 2v motor and ecu?
thanks
The 97 GT kit is setup to be used with a Fuel Management Unit. That is whats used to add fuel, but it still needs to be tuned so you can adjust spark and make sure the a/f ratios are safe. Yes it needs to be run on a dyno with a wideband. Do you have alot of experience with tuning cars? If you are planning on doing the tuning for him, you should have years of experience before attempting to do so. Anything less could easily cost him a new engine. It is very difficult and you wont be able to do it unless you know exactly what your doing and have the correct tuning software that works with your tuning device. Most tuners use either SCT or Diablosport software. You can buy a chip or a handheld tuner. So basically it needs to go to a reputable tuner and put on the dyno...Anything else will not be safe and will not make good power.
lilmarc1988
04-29-2008, 09:40 PM
ORIGINAL: Frostbitten
ORIGINAL: lilmarc1988
ORIGINAL: lilmarc1988
ORIGINAL: Frostbitten
ORIGINAL: jmsjags
ok 1 more question for now...
the mongoose kit says it comes with an IAT sensor. will i need to buy that also? or is it not necessary?
Yes it is needed if your car did not come with an external IAT sensor from the factory. The stock mass air flow sensor on my car which is an 03 has the IAT sensor built in. On some earlier cars it uses external. You want to have the IAT sensor in the discharge pipe so it reads the correct intake temps. If your using the stock maf then you will only be reading the temps before the supercharger. You will most likely need the 90mm lightning MAF anyways and it does not come with a built in IAT sensor. So since the mongoose kits come with a lightning MAF, they have to include an external IAT sensor. It has to be spliced into the maf wiring. Not a big deal though.
where can u find an iat sensor?? like how much is it??
^^ still wondering:D
part number dy-754
f6sz-12a697-a
probably around $20...
thanks man
kmann717
05-01-2008, 09:32 PM
can i use a V-1 with the parts listed on superchargersonline.com?
avexhype
05-01-2008, 11:13 PM
yes just make sure its a clounter-clockwise rotation, straight discharge headunit
skitso
05-06-2008, 09:34 PM
got something like this for a sixxer
Frostbitten
05-08-2008, 04:18 PM
ORIGINAL: skitso
got something like this for a sixxer
Sure, refer back to post #95 and #107. That should be all you need. It comes out super cheap too and the head units for a sixer are MUCH easier to find for a good deal....
chevyman95
05-08-2008, 10:57 PM
Whats the smallest injector I could get away with running. I've been scouring the net for good deals on 42lbs but have been finding decent deals on 38s and similar. I'm probably never going over 400rwhp probably no more than 380 realistically. Also will a ford gt (supercar) pump give me enough fuel.
Lastly I got all these parts coming to me for $718 shipped from a vortech dealer over on corral.net if anybody wants to save a few dollars pm me and ill put you in contact with him. around $80 less than superchargersonline.com
Frostbitten
05-09-2008, 06:47 PM
yes the 38's should be fine, but just make sure that the connection is the same style as the stock ones you have now. Many injectors have different style connectors and will not work without adapters that cost more money.
fausty
05-18-2008, 10:20 PM
hey frost i just bought a v1 s trim for 750.can you repost the links to the sites for all the hardware you need like the discharge,intake,oil lines etc because the link doesnt work anymore and i cant find them on the website.
WhiteFaleen2001
05-19-2008, 05:59 AM
Will the v3 head unit work for this setup? And if so, I won't need to buy the oil lines right?
Frostbitten
05-19-2008, 10:13 AM
ORIGINAL: fausty
hey frost i just bought a v1 s trim for 750.can you repost the links to the sites for all the hardware you need like the discharge,intake,oil lines etc because the link doesnt work anymore and i cant find them on the website.
nice find. The links are still working for me. Try to just cut and paste the addresses from the page instead of clicking on the link. See if that works.
Frostbitten
05-19-2008, 10:16 AM
ORIGINAL: WhiteFaleen2001
Will the v3 head unit work for this setup? And if so, I won't need to buy the oil lines right?
yes it will work and no you wont need any oil lines. Id like to see one of those v3 units in person
WhiteFaleen2001
05-20-2008, 01:41 AM
Well in that case, I hope to do this build as well! I will keep you updated and thank you so much for the links/help/support!
chevyman95
05-21-2008, 08:59 PM
what did you do as far as tune goes? The only real problem I've had with this thread is its only $1500 to get it on there (if you find a cheap head unit) but then you are in $400 for fuel and another $600 for handheld with dyno tune.
Frostbitten
05-22-2008, 09:57 PM
ORIGINAL: chevyman95
what did you do as far as tune goes? The only real problem I've had with this thread is its only $1500 to get it on there (if you find a cheap head unit) but then you are in $400 for fuel and another $600 for handheld with dyno tune.
yea but you still have to get a handheld and dyno tune with any other kit costing over $3000. Unless you plan on trying to run it on the vortech calibration which I wouldnt recommend. Vortech "tuner" kits are going for over $2500 and they do not incluse maf, injectors, pump, or any ecu calibration. The MSRP cost of a complete s-trim kit from vortech for my 03 GT is over $4000. I mean I know everyone doesnt want a used head unit, but superchargers are just expensive and this is really the only way that I have found to get it cheaper...
chevyman95
05-23-2008, 10:58 AM
good point
alexplantman
06-09-2008, 12:34 AM
I have been searching around for a $700-$800 used head unit, but haven't found one :( ... Where have you guys found them?
Frostbitten
06-11-2008, 02:53 PM
ORIGINAL: alexplantman
I have been searching around for a $700-$800 used head unit, but haven't found one :( ... Where have you guys found them?
nice car thats exactly what mine used to look like. But yea you just have to search all of the mustang forums in the for sale ads and keep an eye on ebay and craigslist. They can be found but normally they get bought pretty quickly so you want to snatch one up if you find one. The straight discharge vortech CCW headunits are one of the most desireable blowers on the market because of their name, reliability, and affordability. Just keep looking there have been alot of guys find used head units on here.
chevyman95
06-18-2008, 09:08 AM
anybody want to buy my mounting stuff? had some big bills pop up and need to sell it. It's still unopened in the original vortech packaging. Pm me for more info.
alexplantman
06-21-2008, 07:19 AM
As I look more and more into this, I think it's just best to buy a used s/c complete kit from someone. I see them readily avaiilable for about $2K... beats having to go search for seperate pieces here and there.
dkaar
07-17-2008, 10:31 PM
Would anyone have the part numbers needed for a T-trim. I am assuming a few things would be different. Thanks
sstang
07-28-2008, 04:01 PM
Yes it is needed if your car did not come with an external IAT sensor from the factory. The stock mass air flow sensor on my car which is an 03 has the IAT sensor built in. On some earlier cars it uses external. You want to have the IAT sensor in the discharge pipe so it reads the correct intake temps. If your using the stock maf then you will only be reading the temps before the supercharger. You will most likely need the 90mm lightning MAF anyways and it does not come with a built in IAT sensor. So since the mongoose kits come with a lightning MAF, they have to include an external IAT sensor. It has to be spliced into the maf wiring. Not a big deal though.
So I assume the '01+ cars have an internal IAT?
Frostbitten
08-07-2008, 10:07 PM
im pretty sure thats how it is. I know my 03 has the internal one...
So for the IAT, I will just need to buy that sensor and rewire it from one of the MAF wires and place it in the intake tract?
avexhype
08-15-2008, 12:41 AM
sounds about right yea cause what my mechanic did was just use my IAT sensor (mines already external) and just tapped it into the discharge pipe right before the throttle body
mad_kidd
08-25-2008, 05:34 PM
i have one quick question(and maybe more to come)...in a earlier post Frostbitten stated that a saleen had to be converted into gt specs using GT stock pulley. My question is a GT with a underdrive pulley kit has to have the GT stock pulley reinstall in order to for this kit to work?
thank you for time
sstang
08-26-2008, 08:09 AM
Yes you will need to use your stock pullies. Superchargers are belt driven and underdrive pullies will only work the supercharger harder. Swap the stock pullies on before supercharging.
bullitt15
09-03-2008, 01:59 PM
i just got the mounting kit for my bullitt today. i forget to order it with the 90mm maf bracket. i am also going to buy a boost pipe from MPH. so what all do i need to run the 90mm maf and boost pipe?
jbors1
09-03-2008, 09:08 PM
does this kit involve buying/installing blower cams?
avexhype
09-03-2008, 09:52 PM
bullitt15: to run the lightning MAF youll need: 1. the actual 90mm maf 2. MAF support bracket. you'll probably need a different size coupler to join it with the boost pipe. Thats about it on that end of the blower.
jbors1: this thread has nothing to do with blower cams, but they sure will make good HP along with the blower.
jvog
09-10-2008, 03:31 PM
I have been searching around for a $700-$800 used head unit, but haven't found one :( ... Where have you guys found them?
I just bought a used V1 s trim off modularfords forums for $800 shipped. On ebay there is a V2 for 900 plus 60 shipping and no one has bid on it yet.
DiZzyBonne
09-18-2008, 06:51 AM
I know this has been asked a million times, but I'd rather ask and get it right than guess and **** it all up.
I have a bone stock 2001 Bullitt, save for a Bassani catted X-pipe and Borla Stinger catbacks. Now I figured out that instead of getting the Vortech Discharge Assembly for 1996-2004 Ford Mustang GT with 4.6L (Satin) (http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=V4FH112-020), I should get the Vortech Discharge Assembly for 2001 Ford Mustang Bullitt with 4.6L (Satin) (http://www.superchargersonline.com/product_detail.asp?partnumber=V4FL112-020&tabactive=1). The 2001 Bullitt also has a different alternator, and other minor stuff. For example, Kenne Bell says the kit for the GT won't fit on the Bullitt because of the alternator, and other minor stuff - but obviously if I purchased the correct mounting accessories it wouldn't be a problem. Now, with this kit you linked us to, is there ANYTHING else I need to know to get it to fit on my Bullitt?
Also, what about supporting mods? Now I know I need a fuel pump - or a Kenne Bell BAP (what do you guys recommend?) - 42# injectors, spark plugs, and a 90mm MAF along with an IAT sensor. Is there ANYTHING else I might be missing? What gap should the spark plugs be? Another thing, I'm not sure if the Bullitt has a different MAF, so do I need one?
Yes it is needed if your car did not come with an external IAT sensor from the factory. The stock mass air flow sensor on my car which is an 03 has the IAT sensor built in. On some earlier cars it uses external. You want to have the IAT sensor in the discharge pipe so it reads the correct intake temps. If your using the stock maf then you will only be reading the temps before the supercharger. You will most likely need the 90mm lightning MAF anyways and it does not come with a built in IAT sensor. So since the mongoose kits come with a lightning MAF, they have to include an external IAT sensor. It has to be spliced into the maf wiring. Not a big deal though.My final few questions; did you change your MAF? The reason I ask is because you said your car had the IAC sensor built it. Lastly, do you know if my car - '01 Bullitt - has the IAC sensor built in?
Thanks and sorry for the long post!
DiZzyBonne
09-18-2008, 05:21 PM
...snip...
Lastly, do you know if my car - '01 Bullitt - has the IAC sensor built in?
...snip...Sorry, I meant IAT sensor. Sadly I can't edit post anymore lol.
207stangerfstbk
09-21-2008, 06:59 PM
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NeedaTerminator
09-24-2008, 07:13 AM
A friend of mine has a 99-04 Mustang V6 and he wanted me to find out some info from you guys about supercharging / turbocharging his car. I told him about this $1500 Vortech and he is interested in that but will the components listed work for a V6 car? And how long will install take getting all of these DIY parts? We have an experienced mechanic at the helm, but he doesnt want his parents to know lol
CubanoGT
10-03-2008, 09:15 PM
im about to do this but im wondering... what if i use the V3 head? isnt it self lubricated..? how would that change the parts im buying?
ineedspeed
10-04-2008, 03:45 AM
Thank you for sharing this alwsome information!
avexhype
10-10-2008, 12:27 PM
Cubanogt- youd just not get the oil feed/ oil drain assembly.