Simple way to prove your car made the power. Post a dyno sheet from the first shop then go to a second dyno (make sure its the same TYPE of dyno) and get another couple runs in. I will bet you don't see numbers that are even similar. Nobody believed that I made 420whp 401wtq with 15 degrees of timing and an 11.76 A/F. So when another shop had a dyno day I was glad to throw my car up on the dyno. It put down 418whp 406wtq (basic variance between runs and due to different conditions). Now I have 2 dyno sheets from different shops that show that my numbers aren't BS. Not saying you have to do it because you can believe whatever you want, but POISND U is just trying to explain that your numbers are not practical nor probable.
i have the dyno sheet uploaded on the comp. but i cant copy and paste it for some reason?
I'm not sure it's going to matter, 01. You post a pic of the sheet, they'll say it's chopped You post a vid of the dyno pull, they'll say (as they already have) that the dyno is rigged. You post a vid of your car at 319 rwhp running, say, a 12.60-12.90 at 105-110 and they'll say the video is faked. Or that it isn't your car. You could snailmail each one of the non-believers a raised seal certified copy of your dyno sheet and they'll say that you paid someone off at the courthouse.
See where this is going? They know what they know and anything that is outside of that is patently false and they'll come up with a reason why.
I'll admit that 319 rwhp with your power adding mods (K&N, O/R X, flows - debatable - 65mm TB, ported upper, custom tune) is a stretch. But in post # 29 poison said it's possible but does say (correctly at that point of what he knew) that a mid-pipe and K&N ain't gonna getcha 42 rwhp. I'd just about go to the mats on that and say he's right - 42 rwhp with filter and mid-pipe/mufflers strains all kinds of credibility.
But that's NOT all you've had done. You tell them that the car dyno'd 277 rwhp stock. Nobody called you out on that since it's believable and about right. What they're saying is that top shelf numbers with your mods is probably 310 rwhp, so they just can't let go of that extra 9 hp that may have been found on the dyno, because of WHAT THEY KNOW, like in post 37, or more recently, the one above. For them, it's set in stone. I just don't like that kind of thinking, though.
I'll say that it's a stretch but not outlandish. Post a pic of the dyno sheet because with that power claim, it should be verified. And then move on. No matter what you do, there will always be some that do not believe.
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Acer2428 If MF were a Disney movie, I'd be the retarded step-brother who eventually saves everyone by hitting the burgular over the head with a frying pan and then clapping my hands all retarded-like.
i have the dyno sheet uploaded on the comp. but i cant copy and paste it for some reason?
I'm not sure it's going to matter, 01. You post a pic of the sheet, they'll say it's chopped You post a vid of the dyno pull, they'll say (as they already have) that the dyno is rigged. You post a vid of your car at 319 rwhp running, say, a 12.60-12.90 at 105-110 and they'll say the video is faked. Or that it isn't your car. You could snailmail each one of the non-believers a raised seal certified copy of your dyno sheet and they'll say that you paid someone off at the courthouse.
See where this is going? They know what they know and anything that is outside of that is patently false and they'll come up with a reason why.
I'll admit that 319 rwhp with your power adding mods (K&N, O/R X, flows - debatable - 65mm TB, ported upper, custom tune) is a stretch. But in post # 29 poison said it's possible but does say (correctly at that point of what he knew) that a mid-pipe and K&N ain't gonna getcha 42 rwhp. I'd just about go to the mats on that and say he's right - 42 rwhp with filter and mid-pipe/mufflers strains all kinds of credibility.
But that's NOT all you've had done. You tell them that the car dyno'd 277 rwhp stock. Nobody called you out on that since it's believable and about right. What they're saying is that top shelf numbers with your mods is probably 310 rwhp, so they just can't let go of that extra 9 hp that may have been found on the dyno, because of they know, like in post 37, or more recently, the one above. For them, it's set in stone. I just don't like that kind of thinking, though.
I'll say that it's a stretch but not outlandish. Post a pic of the dyno sheet because with that power claim, it should be verified. And then move on. No matter what you do, there will always be some that do not believe.
First of all, I appreciate your attempt at fairness.
Second, I said I've seen cars with all his mods PLUS LONGTUBES barely hit 310.
Third is that no one has pointed out (until now) he stated that his K&N and midpipe got him to 319! Before pullies and catback, no less.
Finally, no one has pointed out that he apparently forgets what mods he has and only remembers after he gets asked to back it up. All of the sudden the dude says he has a tune, TB and a ported intake. I even let that go....
My point wasn't to originally call BS to HIM, but to his shop. He obviously isn't terribly knowledgeable about his car and I said that someone's yanking his chain. I may call him gullible, but I also gave him the benefit of the doubt. He starts pulling "forgotten" mods outta his butt, so yeah, I question the accuracy of my previous hypothesis and up the "BS flag" goes.
Like I said, someone's full of crap: either you or your shop. I used to think it might have been the shop. Now I'm not too sure....
Well, I'm not in the business of flaming people, e-racing or internet arguing, so there you have it.
I'm going to need your mailing address because I'm going to send you this T-shirt.
--EDIT-- Before you start throwing down on me, I wanted to point out that this is a joke. As in, attempt at humor. As in, don't get mad - it'll only come back to bite you.
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ORIGINAL: POISND U I didn't mean to be a dick, but....
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ORIGINAL: POISND U Or, as in 01snakes case, they can give a kindergardener a piece of paper and a box of Crayolas....
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ORIGINAL: POISND U One of you is full of crap. It's either you or your shop.
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ORIGINAL: POISND U It's not that I don't think it's possible, I KNOW it isn't possible. How many people do you need to hear it from?
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ORIGINAL: POISND U
Alright, NOOB. This is how it works....
My goal here was not to break you down. The goal was to help you get your **** straight so you don't get flamed by others who know how this stuff works. You obviously don't know what you're talking about, and that's okay; we all learn eventually. But you need to cut it out because we know what we're talking about around here....
Quit arguing with me and either go find a tuner that won't dick with you or at the very least educate yourself....
textbook passive/agressive. not helpful
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ORIGINAL: POISND U First of all, I appreciate your attempt at fairness.
you're welcome.
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Second, I said I've seen cars with all his mods PLUS LONGTUBES barely hit 310.
Reallyl? How many? Since we're in the habit of calling BS on power numbers w/o sheets, find copies of the sheets and post them up. Otherwise, it's "I have a friend-of-a-friend" sort of thing...no good.
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Third is that no one has pointed out (until now) he stated that his K&N and midpipe got him to 319! Before pullies and catback, no less. Finally, no one has pointed out that he apparently forgets what mods he has and only remembers after he gets asked to back it up. All of the sudden the dude says he has a tune, TB and a ported intake. I even let that go....
well, he did say that he was quoting off the top of his head, but I know where you're coming from.
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He obviously isn't terribly knowledgeable about his car and I said that someone's yanking his chain. I may call him gullible, but I also gave him the benefit of the doubt. He starts pulling "forgotten" mods outta his butt, so yeah, I question
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he's just posting and remembering. I've done that before.
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and up the "BS flag" goes.
Members here are so quick to pull that flag out. That's all I was saying.
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Like I said, someone's full of crap: either you or your shop.
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This all started because I though the poor guy was being taken advantage of....
It's good that we have helpful members here who are on the ready to help a fellow stanger out and post up good tech.
And all I'm saying with all this, poison, is lighten up a little. Dial it in a skosh. Can't kill ya, ya know?...
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thank you. yes as i said off the top of my head, i just got this car about 2 weeks ago and the guy had all this done.
i went thru the papers again and seen that he had a tune, chip, ported manifold, the throttle body i realised he must have had taken off cuz the one that is on the car says ford.
i have a quick problem i just realised when i drive my car hard always when i shift from 1st (around redline) to 2nd i will make a pop noise. i think it is a back fire. could this be to it being tuned to rich?
is this harmfull to my engine? i plan on getting cams within the next 1-2 months so i will have it re-tuned but in that time frame is anything potentially dangerous to my engine
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Second, I said I've seen cars with all his mods PLUS LONGTUBES barely hit 310.
Reallyl? How many? Since we're in the habit of calling BS on power numbers w/o sheets, find copies of the sheets and post them up. Otherwise, it's "I have a friend-of-a-friend" sort of thing...no good.
You're gonna tell me you haven't? Hipocracy at it's finest. Tell one not to do something, then tell them how to do correctly.
Call it PA if you wish, I call it assertive understanding. And yeah, I did get fired up, but that was after he called me out. If you wish to make psychiatric evaluations at least consider the context and intent in which I spoke....
--EDIT-- Before you start throwing down on me, I wanted to point out that this is a joke. As in, attempt at humor. As in, don't get mad - it'll only come back to bite you.
You're pretty quick on the uptake, I'll hand you that. Even if our man 01snake has a lot to learn.
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You're gonna tell me you haven't? Hipocracy at it's finest. Tell one not to do something, then tell them how to do correctly. Call it PA if you wish, I call it assertive understanding. And yeah, I did get fired up, but that was after he called me out. If you wish to make psychiatric evaluations at least consider the context and intent in which I spoke....
Well, I tried to put my position in context right here. It wasn't really a psychiatric eval as much as it was a casual observation that while you said you were looking out for his best interests and trying help this member not get flamed, you were unleashing the flamethrowers by telling him he didn't know what he was talking about, he was getting dicked around, he needed education, etc. So I'll quote myself for further clarification
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ORIGINAL: groundpounder And all I'm saying with all this, poison, is lighten up a little. Dial it in a skosh. Can't kill ya, ya know?...
And "I have seen cars," but what I'm not going to do is pull that out as a card in an e-callout because a) calling people out on the intraweb is dumb b) I won't make any claim on the web without backing it up with something other than "I have seen" and c) calling people out on the intraweb is dumb.
Assertive understanding - I liked that.
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Lol I feel bad for the OP. There were a significant number of changes from the '99 to '01 snake. Here's what I came up with:
The engine block was changed from the Teksid block to the Windsor Aluminum Plant or WAP block. The WAP block is regarded to be weaker than the previous Teksid block. Some 2001s received the Teksid, either from the factory or as a replacement motor
Newer revision cylinder heads.
Cobra-specific seats with a combination of leather and suede-like microfiber inserts - 1999 Cobras had normal Mustang seats.
A rear bumper that reads "COBRA", instead of "MUSTANG", as the 1999 Cobra had.
A rear badge on the trunklid was changed to say "SVT" instead of "SVT Cobra" as the 1999 Cobra had.
The option to order polished wheels from the factory.
The T-45 transmission in the 1999 model was replaced by the 3650 in the 2001 model.
The IRS halfshafts and differential were changed from 28 splines in 1999 to 31 splines in 2001.
The spoiler was redesigned.
The CD player was upgraded to a 6 disc unit.
The center console and trim were redesigned
The emergency brake was fitted with a 'boot' of leather to cover the hole in the console where it protrudes.
The headlights were changed to a tinted design.
The color of the odometer digits was slightly changed, and the color of the instrument cluster lighting was slightly changed as well.
Here's the source of the info.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang_SVT_Cobra I know Wikipedia isn't infallible, but this sounds pretty complete. I would say that if you can find a good deal on an '01 Cobra and you have the money, by all means, get it. However, when I was shopping around, the cheapest '01 I could find in my area was around $16k. The cheapest '99 I could find was around $12k... both cars had around 50k miles.
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ORIGINAL: Redrider69 So umm yeah, Should i get the 01 cobra over the 99?
Yeah, I'm thinking you should.
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i have a quick problem i just realised when i drive my car hard always when i shift from 1st (around redline) to 2nd i will make a pop noise. i think it is a back fire. could this be to it being tuned to rich?
is this harmfull to my engine? i plan on getting cams within the next 1-2 months so i will have it re-tuned but in that time frame is anything potentially dangerous to my engine
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Sounds similar to a situation I dealt with on my 95GT. Every time I'd put that Horse through his paces and make a hard low shift (1-2 or 2-3), I'd get a pop. At first, like you, I thought it was backfire (actually kinda liked it). Turns out, it was driveline slop being taken up, lash in the tranny. So yours may not even be engine related.
But let's say it is, though. I don't think you're necessarily spoiling for trouble if you're getting a little mid-shift crackle and/or backfire. But just for good measure, have you had your A/F ratio checked?
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ORIGINAL: 01snake it was driveline slop being taken up, lash in the tranny ^ what do you mean by that? is that bad? thanx for the help
Lash is that fractional space between components (tranny, gears, valvetrain components, internal engine items like oil pump gears, distributor gears where applicable etc.) and the like. A lot of times you'll hear cams advertised with "Lift and duration at fifty thousanths (.050) lash" - that's referring to the space between the cam, the lifters, pushrods (where applicable), rocker arms and valves.
And we're talking space on almost a molecular level measured in thousanths of inches - the tolerances are very tight. Lubricants fill this space for the most part, but as an engine or driveline wears, that space widens. Most of the time, you'll never notice it - maybe the engine holds 40 psi of oil pressure when it used to hold 50, or in the case of "driveline slop," the shifter and/or clutch feels a little 'looser' than it used to, doesn't shift as tight, etc but you don't really notice the driveline lash overall. Until you bang on it. Then instead of those gaps gently and slowly closing up and working together to give you a smooth transition, they SLAM SHUT because you're wailing on it and BANG! it makes a noise. Sometimes a lot like a pop or a backfire.
Engine and driveline wear is a fact of life. You drive 'em, they'll wear out. But when your driveline lash (slop) gets to the point where it's making a noise on hard shifts, then replacement is on the horizon, because at that point, the tolerances are so out of spec that something is going to give way, and it's usually pretty violent and destructive.
Two schools of thought if you discover that your popping noise is in your driveline and not out of your tailpipe - drive it til it breaks, then replace it. The easier you drive it, the longer it will last. Dump the clutch and bang gears with slicks on a regular basis, and you'll be replacing stuff in no time flat. No big revelation there. Might be a month, might be a year, but hardly never - when they start whining, the end is near. Mine went very quickly from a pop to a shimmy to a lunk to dead. But I also drve the sh!t out of it!
The other is to get out ahead of it so it doesn't leave you stranded somewhere (at the track, in the middle of an intersection, or handing an f-body its ass , etc) by having a reputable shop in your case check out your driveline components, identify the offender or offenders, and replace. The usual suspects in a case like this are gears and synchronizers in the tranny, output shaft, in some cases U-joints (although they break quickly once they start to go) and 3rd member gears/axles. If you want to check these things yourself, there are some shadetree methods you could use but the sure way to check is with a trained eye, experience and proper equipment (dial calipers, etc.).
Good luck. Take it easy on those redline powershifts until you get this snockered!
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