I was out cruising a couple days ago when a red Z06 pulls out behind me. I pass a freeway onramp exit, and the Z06 starts to take the exit. When he sees me stay on the arterial, he swerves back behind me. Ok, so I want to have a go with this guy, and it looke like he was thinking the same. I am in my procharged 01 S281. So we pull up to a light, side by side. He motions for me to roll down my window. The first thing I said was, "Is that a Z06 or are those rear brake ducts fake?" He said it was a real Z06 with a few mods; exhaust and intake as well as somw visual mods. I was thinking, "this should be a good race for me, let's see if he wants to go." As soon as he heard the whine of the procharger idleing he asked me if I had a blower. I said yes, bring it on. When he pulled up I'm sure he wanted a race. After hearing the blower, he says, "no, I'm not gonna race ya." I say, "why?" He says, "I don't mess with blown cars." I say, " it will be a good race, if you have the mods you say you have." He says, "that's ok, beautiful car, though." Of course it was an older guy, as usual. Gosh I have trouble getting a race out of a Z06 around here. Too bad, I wanted to see what would have happened. It would have been a decent race.

Damn!!! That sucks. LOL I want a blower so bad so I can line up with Vettes. LOL Im still a little over a half second slower than one. [&o]

That sucks dude ,but hey think about it this way u made a man with a modified z06afraid to get wasted by u.:)

lol got the Z06 shakin! good job scarin him, too bad there was no race!!

birdie it would of been a waste of your time....if i can run a zo6,and stay with his doors without losing any ground.
i'm sure it would of been a slaughter.

405 hp compared to 310 hp and you both probably weigh about the same=you ran a bad driver.

no he wasn't a bad driver.....you never been in my car....my car weighs 2900lbs by the way.

eh still doesnt add up, but ok

that 310 which should be 322....is rwhp what's your 405?

they put down 350+ (if its an 02+)

man 322 to the wheels and ur weighing 2900? should be better than 13.17..

iv'e seen a couple of these zo6's on the dyno.....the highest iv'e seen was 363rwhp,and with my susp.,and gearing
i got him off the line,but like i said i hung at his doors and that was it.

ORIGINAL: dc_mann8

man 322 to the wheels and ur weighing 2900? should be better than 13.17..


I HAVE SH**TY TIRES ON IT!lol.
that was my first time out....learned alot that day.
my d/s axle is bent too you can hear it to.wrrrrwrrrwrrrr.

Z06's aren't that fast, low hp (compared to what folks think that is) but its a light car. Their slow out of the hole, their fast up top. I've only ran one, and that was at the strip - it was a stick with a cam and exhaust - dyno tuned at 420 rwhp according to the owner - ran a 12.5 and backed it up with a 12.6 at something like 116 mph or something. This was in Gaineseville, FL with super cool 45 degree weather.

I seen one running 11.50 at my track the weekend I ran 13.0. He said all he done to it was added 108 octane racing gas. [&:]

I don't see how, racing gas will slow his arse down [&:] and 11.50 is a LONG way from their claimed factory 12.5 stock times [&:]

LOL... Tell me about it. Well he was on slicks and skinneys also. Maybe that helped. It sounded stock though.

lol yea the slicks and skinnies helped, I can see how he did it now. Beleive me though if he's got slicks and skinnies he's probably got something else too

ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta

I don't see how, racing gas will slow his arse down [&:] and 11.50 is a LONG way from their claimed factory 12.5 stock times [&:]


There's been a few Z06s that have nailed the 11s completely stock.

ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta

lol yea the slicks and skinnies helped, I can see how he did it now. Beleive me though if he's got slicks and skinnies he's probably got something else too



Well looking and lostening to the engine, it sounded stock. He had a catback on it of some sort that sounded like a Borla... but that was about all.

a totaly stock Z06 hitting 11's? nope. not gonna happen. not without slicks, skinies and a lot of weight reduction and a hell of a driver. even then it would be iffy. mid 12 sure.. maybe a 12.3 again with all of the above but not beyond that. Throw some exhaust and intake work on it and a few other bolt ons and maybe some gears and I will sign off on it..

Dude... What in hell does a stock Vette run then????? Stock Vettes run mid 12's! We are talking about a Z06... right?

ORIGINAL: 96SilverLT1

a totaly stock Z06 hitting 11's? nope. not gonna happen. not without slicks, skinies and a lot of weight reduction and a hell of a driver. even then it would be iffy. mid 12 sure.. maybe a 12.3 again with all of the above but not beyond that. Throw some exhaust and intake work on it and a few other bolt ons and maybe some gears and I will sign off on it..


98LS1 threw up the links to the forum with two Z06s in the 11s a while back. I didn't just make it up, but I don't know what forum it was on.

Im wondering how in the hell a Z06 would not un at least a 12.0. A stock C5 is supose to run mid 12's all day. If they didnt that would mean im running right beside a Vette and that doesnt make any sense!!!

birdie yo sure did open up a can of worms didn't you?

ORIGINAL: jdaniel

Im wondering how in the hell a Z06 would not un at least a 12.0. A stock C5 is supose to run mid 12's all day. If they didnt that would mean im running right beside a Vette and that doesnt make any sense!!!


a stock C5 will run 13 - 13.2, you are thinking of the new C6 which will run 12.7 give or take a tenth. a C5 zo6 will run about 12.5 give or take a tenth, two different body styles and two different motors. you are running with a stock C5.:D

birdie yo sure did open up a can of worms didn't you?

This is what MF is all about. Great discussion on fast cars. I sometimes learn something when threads like this get started, and car knowledge is power!

true it is......as long as we apply it though.

ORIGINAL: 96SilverLT1

a totaly stock Z06 hitting 11's? nope. not gonna happen. not without slicks, skinies and a lot of weight reduction and a hell of a driver. even then it would be iffy. mid 12 sure.. maybe a 12.3 again with all of the above but not beyond that. Throw some exhaust and intake work on it and a few other bolt ons and maybe some gears and I will sign off on it..


Damn man, you need to do some research.

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48180

Some guys are ****ty drivers, others aren't.

A camm'ed and full exhaust LS1 will run mid 11's, much less a ZO6. You should have smacked that guy MD.

I found an article a while back (after I raced that cammed / exhausted Z06) and it listed the performance stats from 8 or 9 magazines (like Car & Driver, Motortrend, etc.) and the fastest one was 12.5 and the slowest listed was 13.7 (lol!) .. anyways most of them were around 12.7 for factory stock times but just as many were listed at 12.9 - 13.0

Moral of the story, about 10 magazines tested the Z06 and the fastest of all of them were a 12.5 but the next closest was a 12.7

ORIGINAL: 98LS1
A camm'ed and full exhaust LS1 will run mid 11's, much less a ZO6. You should have smacked that guy MD.


THe dude had wide arse tires but he said they were stock, he did lower his pressure. He was a cool guy but the car was new only had 5000 miles on it and he said it was his 2nd time at the track. I didn't see any of his timeslips so I don't know his 60's all I know is his times when the flashed up.

Eh, I just showed you pretty good proof of one going 11.8 completely stock. So I guess some guys can drive and others can't. I'm sure the average guy will run mid to low 12's in good weather on a good track. But 11's can be done.

I've seen a couple of those videos. They even had people go over the car to verify that it was completely SHOWROOM stock. No slicks, no weight reduction, no nothing. Factory tires, even the factory air filter. It can and HAS been done.

Unless you can go to his vet and verify that it's totaly stock then I will belive what the other 99.9 % of totly stock vettes run instead of 1 that claims 11's on a "stock" car. there is a big difference between stock and almost stock. unless you looked you would never know if he had a lid, DR's and gears.. And even if it is true just because 1 person did it doesn't mean thats what all of them run.. so whats the point in saying that they run 11's?
Ryan4.6vert hit the c5 times pretty well.. they are a flat 13 or really high 12 stock. The C6's are a mid/high 12 stock and the C5 Z06's are a mid 12 stock. the C6 Z06's will be well into the 11's stock but not untill then will there be a stock vette into the 11's.

HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA....Whatever Oh great Chebby Goddess! http://smilies.cw08.calibra-web.de/html/images/smilies/sonstige/76.gif



For the record. You said it can't be done. You were shown proof that it happened. Not all of them can do it. But more than one has. Check out the Z06 forum.

damnit.. I'm not a goddes.... I'm a pretty princess [:@]



I am not even a vette guy.. but you can't just "make up" a little over a half of a second from where 99% of the other vettes are running stock without a downhill track or something not totaly stock.

ORIGINAL: 96SilverLT1

Unless you can go to his vet and verify that it's totaly stock then I will belive what the other 99.9 % of totly stock vettes run instead of 1 that claims 11's on a "stock" car. there is a big difference between stock and almost stock. unless you looked you would never know if he had a lid, DR's and gears.. And even if it is true just because 1 person did it doesn't mean thats what all of them run.. so whats the point in saying that they run 11's?
Ryan4.6vert hit the c5 times pretty well.. they are a flat 13 or really high 12 stock. The C6's are a mid/high 12 stock and the C5 Z06's are a mid 12 stock. the C6 Z06's will be well into the 11's stock but not untill then will there be a stock vette into the 11's.


I got a 12" dick, wanna take my word for it or do you wanna come feel it up and check for yourself?

sure... if it needed to be measured to prove a point.. just like your painting the picture for us.. just because someone claims something to be true that doesn't mean that it is.. you could only have a 6 inch wee wee and that vette could have gears... So someone needs to measure your johnson and rotate the rear and make sure that both of you are telling the truth.

like I said, even if it is true and he is totly stock.. whats it matter? you still can't claim that vettes run 11's. all you can claim is some guy on the net with a vette ran 11's. Things are not always what they apear on the net. I am actualy a leprechan that rides a unicorn to work..

Do you often pass out when you get an erection?

Whats sucks for the z06 is that its around 60,000 for it, and that is jsut insane taht 2 o3 cobras just about right there if you ad up right, Rediculous, but if you g9ot the money why not. But i spend it better ways...gt500 shelby(65)restoed

ORIGINAL: 98LS1

Eh, I just showed you pretty good proof of one going 11.8 completely stock. So I guess some guys can drive and others can't. I'm sure the average guy will run mid to low 12's in good weather on a good track. But 11's can be done.


I think I said that already...

ORIGINAL: 96SilverLT1

Do you often pass out when you get an erection?


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ORIGINAL: 50FastFord

Whats sucks for the z06 is that its around 60,000 for it, and that is jsut insane taht 2 o3 cobras just about right there if you ad up right, Rediculous, but if you g9ot the money why not. But i spend it better ways...gt500 shelby(65)restoed


Anyone with a tard translator?

ORIGINAL: Ryan4.6vert


ORIGINAL: jdaniel

Im wondering how in the hell a Z06 would not un at least a 12.0. A stock C5 is supose to run mid 12's all day. If they didnt that would mean im running right beside a Vette and that doesnt make any sense!!!


a stock C5 will run 13 - 13.2, you are thinking of the new C6 which will run 12.7 give or take a tenth. a C5 zo6 will run about 12.5 give or take a tenth, two different body styles and two different motors. you are running with a stock C5.:D



So in other words, my bolt on GT running 13.0 will hang with or beat a Vette? Sounds pleasing enough. LOL

So in other words, my bolt on GT running 13.0 will hang with or beat a Vette? Sounds pleasing enough. LOL



No.

LMAO!!! I dont know what to think now. LOL Muh brains are fried! LOL

I still can't believe you run high 13's in warm weather, and low 13's in cold weather. I need to go run during the winter....my last time to the track was in the middle of August.

I pulled a 13.02 and a 13.07 back to back. I ont really remember what I ran in the late summer. I think a 13.5 was the best I ran in warm weather.

Here is a guy in my club talking about his Z06 that has just an intake and catback.
http://www.fastlouis.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27027

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_z06vette_com.gif

A bit more on topic, most Vette drivers never wanna race or drive fast. They are usually old guys driving really slow in the far right lane. Why do they even buy those cars? What a waste of eight cylinders.:(

I should introduce you to some of my Vette buddys.

You'll see quite a few C5's that get a workout.

all I get is a 50 50 mix of old guys that don't race and young punks that think they are faster then speedracer... When I was getting my tattoo a few years back I was talking to a guy with a C4 talking about all this work he had a local shop do yada yada yada.. and that he should be running 11's yada yada.. stock tranny, stock rear, stock gears, just a cam, roller rockers and expensive exhaust.. no head work no nothing.. silly young guy.



as far as the C5's, alot like the LS1's you can do a lot with just exhaust and air intake.. I can see 11's very easy with minor mods on a Z06.. but I just can not rationalize 11's stock without something "extra" going on.

I can't even make my 83 vette run 11's stock and the 83 is the best vette EVER..

I can't even make my 83 vette run 11's stock and the 83 is the best vette EVER..

http://www.chitownracing.com/forums/images/smilies/laugh.gif

I'm waiting for someone to come back with..

"NO the 83 vette is the slowest vette there is, I have had 4 of them" ;)

Give it some time. I'm sure someone will.

Besides, isn't the '83 the first year they offered the Flux Capacitor as an option?

actulay that was 83 1/2... It gained .3 just from that..

I need to rebuild mine. It's not working to 100%.. maybe thats why it's not hitting 11's

Here is the sad part.

I have actually laid my own 2 eyes on an '83 Corvette. There was a kid in High School that used to argue Vettes with us in study hall. He said his dad had 30 Corvettes including 1 of 4 '83's that actually got built. We were calling BS for a year until he told his dad about it and he invited us over to see them. So of course we went. Turns out his dad was some designer for GM and really did have a collection of about 30 Corvettes. We went to his house, and his dad took us out behind his house where stood a pole barn. He opened the door, turned off this crazy lazer alarm system, and my jaw hit the floor. He gave us a little speach about each car that was there and none of them were just factory Corvettes. He had a '66 Coupe with Zora Duntov's signature on it, and all kind of crazy stuff to go along with them. He also had an '83 with the Vin number ending in 000003 or something like that. It was actually pretty cool looking. Looked just like an '84, but with different wheels, and some other goofy stuff on it. No digital dash, and I don't recall exactly what he said about the engine, but they couldn't get the Cross Fire Injection to work right with the Computer, so it never really ran right. He said he put about 6 miles on it, then into the barn it went.

Cool stuff I tells ya. I'd love to see whats been added to that collection in the 15 years since I've seen it.

Thats funny.. there is only suposed to be one ramaining... and it's sitting in a museum...

http://motortrend.com/features/travel/112_0306_caravan_day74_z.jpg

That one?


Come to think of it, it didn't really look like that. It was white, but it didn't have those wheels, and the interior was red. It had what looked like modified '82 wheels.

I don't think you saw an 83..

44 cars were assembled, all pilot cars. the 83 DID have digital dash. Of the 44 cars built, 11 were retained by the Bowling Green plant for assembly process evaluations and other tests. The remaining 33 went to engineering for crash tests and other engineering appraisals...

This new Corvette was due to be released in the fall of 1982, however continued high sales of the 1982 model and ramp up problems at the new Bowling Green assembly plant forced the introduction date to be pushed back to March 1983 as 1984 models. For that reason, all but one of the 44 1983 pilot cars were destroyed. Only serial number 23 was retained by the assembly plant as a relic of the past

It's possible that it wasn't really an '83. I'd find it hard to believe it wasn't. My guess is that it wasn't a production model. Probably an early concept with some goofy serial number on it. I read that the remaining 33 were destroyed. But you're telling me that one or two of them didn't make it out of the plant and into someones garage? Those guys aren't stupid. They know they'll get half a million for it in 30 years.

It's possible.. but I would tend to belive that legaly they needed to detroy the pilot cars. They only kept one as a relic to the past... only way to know would be to get the vin off the guy and send it to GM for verification.. then when you get a knock on your door in a few days With about 5 people in suits asking you how you came across this vin number.... then you can figure it's real ;)


But I have yet to read anywhere that there as an early concept 83 that was actualy biult. There are too many differences between the real 83 and what you saw.. Maybe it was an early 84 [sm=dontgetit.gif]

The '84 had the same wheels as the '83 in that picture, and it also had the digital dash.

Who knows. It's not like I can go knock on the door and ask to see the cars again.

lol, you can.. but the security system might release the killer robots..

Well, it seems everyone has sorted out the facts...

Birdieman, I'm sorry you didn't get a race... seems that it is harder to find races to higher up in the race chain that you are... perhaps the guy just didn't want to race up to really high speeds... could've gotten in big trouble... my bf doesn't race much anymore for that very reason, but when a good race like you comes along, its hard to resist... come on down and we'll set up some races for you! Maybe you'll get to play with that Stang finally.

I would SOOO buy a C4...

...but It'd have an LS6 or LS2 dropped in as soon as I got it.

Well if you'd do it then whats stopping you? LOL

Just put an LS1 in the Si

ORIGINAL: jdaniel

Well if you'd do it then whats stopping you? LOL


You not sending me that 20 grand you promised me. [&:]

and MD... just... no.

ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta

Just put an LS1 in the Si


Then I might have some respect for a Honda.

yeah.. but they would still be slow.. and drasticly endanger the ozone when they sat there for 20 mins burning every last ounce of rubber off the tires and never even moving..








But why would you buy a C4 and put an LSx in it? You can just mod the C4 and go faster for less money.. I'm telling ya I can't stand people who think that if it's not an LSx it's not fast...

It doesn't have to be an LS1 or LS2 or LS7 for that matter to be fast. But the cool factor of having a '94 Corvette with a Z06 motor in it would be out of sight.

you want cool factor??? Try an LT5

... or the SOHC 4.6! Now thats some cool sh!t. :D

See...There’s nothing cool about the SOHC 4.6 In fact, in it's stock form, it's quite embarrassing.

Welcome to the club MR obvisous! LOL I was being sarcastic. ;)

A friend of mine has a '96 Vette with a 6-speed and an LT4 (LT1 on steroids), I believe the only year and car that came with the LT4. He took me for a ride and I gotta admit, I think he would take out my LS1 fbod without too much trouble. That thing flat out moves.

yes, the 96 grandsport vette with the LT4. I was helping someone work on one. Had a missfire that he coudn't track down so I did it for him.. they do haul ass in stock form. not to mention the pretty red intake.

ORIGINAL: 96SilverLT1

But why would you buy a C4 and put an LSx in it? You can just mod the C4 and go faster for less money.. I'm telling ya I can't stand people who think that if it's not an LSx it's not fast...


Without a set of heads, its tough. Guy here has a '97 A4 TA with every LT4 option except the heads. He gets run all over by bolt-on LS1's. He does have a large shot of gas though that he rarely uses, usually only at the track.

He used to be my hero when I had my LT1....now I'm faster than him.

you are compleatly missinformed about LT1's.. honestly do some research first or do you want me to point out what is wrong with your statment?

Well, since I've owned one, know how slow they are, know that I walk over someone with every bolt-on and a cam, go ahead and tell me how wrong it is.

"Guy here has a '97 A4 TA with every LT4 option except the heads"

lemme get this right.. he had the LT4 hot cam, roller rockers, timing chain and intake and just kept the LT1 heads on it right?? clear that part up for me.

Yea...he can't afford/justify the heads yet. I get my digital video camera on the 31st, got muh shipping number today, I can probably get a video of him saying, yes I have every LT4 option except the heads on tape. He's a big black mofo. Freaking ripped.

I bought my gears from him actually....he said he's saving for some AFR's, but he thinks he's going to sell the car and get a better platform. Yes, he's getting an LS1. A C5 to be exact.

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But thats impossible... you can NOT bolt up LT1 heads to an LT4 intake. they are NOT compatable.. sorry. not gonna happen. one of you is full of shi t.

I'm just telling you what the guy told me. He said he has everything but LT4 heads.

.....

Your LT1 is obsolete, much like my LS1 is now. Get over it.

and that is wrong.. so because of this guy (who doesn't even know what your talking about) you consider them sloooow...?? congrats on your 8 th mile run buy the way.. your miles ahead of bolt on LT1's :eek:

Haha, I ran it bone stock with a gear in the middle of August launching at idle. I've got quite a few more mods now. You're only 75rwhp behind me, you're getting there though. You have a slow car, as do I. Yours is just FAR slower than mine and mostly every LS1 in the country.

ha ha.. did your mother do a lot of drugs when she was pregnant?

you hand me "proof" that LT1's even with a suposed "LT4" was slow and I in turn give you that it's not an LT4 and you still try and cry about how much faster you are then me and other LT1's.. you really are silly. no wonder you hang on on a mustang forum. A real fbody forum would eat you alive

Looks at sig pic....looks at post count.

I just said the heads suck...and they do. From my experience, all the LT1's I've raced, seen raced, are slower than LS1's. I don't pretend to know everything about LT1's, nor LS1's. I just have common sense and am not in denial about how ****ty my motor is.

Show me a header/CAI AUTO LT1 that'll put down 325rwhp....hell, show me an M6 LT1 that'll put down 300rwhp with those two mods.

You have a slight problem about LT1's. It seems that you either A: can't afford an LS1 or B: are hell beant on making your LT1 fast. Either way, your car is slow. My car is slow. We should get together and race our slow cars. Maybe the grass will grow an inch before we cross the traps.

BTW for good measure, the fastest LT1, which has been around since '92 has went 8.35. The fastest LS1, which has been around since a mere '97, has went 8.1. So boo yah....!

ha ha.. you need to grow up little man.. who said that LS1's don't make more power? Who said that LT1's don't make less? your fighting a totaly arbitrary argument man. Then you go on to say that just because a highly modified LS1 is slightly faster then a highly modified LT1.. Who gives a fuk? what does that mean? LT1 heads are damn good, LS1 heads are better. Who cares? I's just technology making headway in the automotive market. It's called evolution silly. then you have to make assumptions into my life. I could afford an LS1 if I wanted but I don't. I like my 96. It already beats plenty of stock LS1's and will beat even more when time yeilds me what I have planed. but again, who cares? if you want to dyno race everyone on the net thats fine with me. I'll just take my little 280HP LT1 and quiver in the corner at the allmighty LS1 and stay out of your way [sm=icon_stickpoke.gif]

::shakes head and walks the other way::

ORIGINAL: 96SilverLT1

I'll just take my little 280HP LT1 and quiver in the corner at the allmighty LS1 and stay out of your way

Ok.

ORIGINAL: sidewayz4.6

::shakes head and walks the other way::


*Throws an LT1 at Sidewayz*

ORIGINAL: 96SilverLT1

ha ha.. you need to grow up little man.. who said that LS1's don't make more power? Who said that LT1's don't make less? your fighting a totaly arbitrary argument man. Then you go on to say that just because a highly modified LS1 is slightly faster then a highly modified LT1.. Who gives a fuk? what does that mean? LT1 heads are damn good, LS1 heads are better. Who cares? I's just technology making headway in the automotive market. It's called evolution silly. then you have to make assumptions into my life. I could afford an LS1 if I wanted but I don't. I like my 96. It already beats plenty of stock LS1's and will beat even more when time yeilds me what I have planed. but again, who cares? if you want to dyno race everyone on the net thats fine with me. I'll just take my little 280HP LT1 and quiver in the corner at the allmighty LS1 and stay out of your way [sm=icon_stickpoke.gif]



::hears last statement and comes back::

You beat plenty of LS1's with a whopping 13.8? You should have a hard enough time beating up on 4.6 GT's dude. Even with your 256 RWHP.

do I have to underline and put pink neon around the words STOCK DYNO RUN in my sig? Honestly people..



and it was a 13.7 thank you..


damn you guys are in denial.

What are we in denial about? I just don't think your car will beat (Properly driven LS1's.) I didn't say the LS1 is the end all be all motor, but it's like this. LS1>YOU!

Besides, we all know that the LS7 is the end all be all motor.

ORIGINAL: sidewayz4.6

Besides, we all know that the LS7 is the end all be all motor.


Blasphemy! Nothing LSx can be all that good. LTx is where it's at.

your both in denial.. your wanting to look to anything that will try and justify that the LT1 is slow. so when you see 256HP in my sig you skip right past where it says STOCK DYNO RUN... but don't worry. in a few more days my orderd shoud be in (holidays suck for ordering tings) and I will be able to hit the track with a fresh tune up and get a little closer to what I am suposed to be running.. then all I have left to do is find some DR's [:@]

the world is not static.. everything is not perfect. I have beaten many an LS1 at and off the track. Who said that they were properly driven? Just because they should win doesn't mean that they do. just like when someone comes here saying that there stock 95 mustang beat a modded LS1.. just beauce the LS1 should have won doesn't mean that they will ;)


hell I was so nurvous on my first ever 1/8 mile run a few years back that I lost BAD to a little POS civic.. it happens

Real world experience tells me that its slow. It's GM's fav oh. You NEED a good set of heads and THEN it will run liked a raped ape. All 3 of us are GM guys and don't like to make fun of our own motors. But the heads on the car, as I said in my first post, suck donkeyballs.

No, but you made it sound like your car is faster than an LS1. It's not. Said LS1 was either not racing (yes, even at the track) or not being driven to it's potential.

if it was an L98 I would agree. there heads and intake are the most restricive on the motor.. the LT1's are damn good, the LS1 are better. I have yet to ever see any head design that is good enough NOT to have gains when an aftermarket or worked head was bolted on.. I know many a people running 11's on noth stock LS1 and LT1 heads.. doesn't mean that they can't be imporved on.. as long as you don't try to bolt an LT1 head on an LT4 intake..

ORIGINAL: sidewayz4.6

No, but you made it sound like your car is faster than an LS1. It's not. Said LS1 was either not racing (yes, even at the track) or not being driven to it's potential.





never claimed otherwise.. one LS1 I raced must have literaly unhooked the exhaust after the manifolds cause it was LOAD and sounded like poo.. made a wonderfull 14.7 run :eek: some people need to re learn the concept of exhaust flow VS velocity..

but thats not the point either.. I have beaten LS1's, I ahve beaten mustangs, I have been beat my LS1's and I ahve been beat by 1 mustang. Like I said I never ever ever cliamed that the LT1 was better or I was faster.. there is just no logical reason to even atempt to.

I run mid 12's with 268 rwhp and you can barely get into the 13's ? [8D]

HP doesn't tell the full story. I know a guy with 532HP and can bearly make 12's... there are too many variables.... if you could take HP and know EXACTLY what someone would run that would be another. If you Know that you would always run exactly as expected, how boring would that be?

ORIGINAL: 66chevyIISS

I run mid 12's with 268 rwhp and you can barely get into the 13's ? [8D]


You've got a 400 Lbs Chebby II with some slicks and really light ass Weld's on it.

lol its 3280 with me in it :) and that was with 235/60R15 drag radials :) that was on a mustang dyno. I would probably dyno around 340 at the wheels on a dyno jet, its still fun to say I have 268rwhp and I have the slip for proof heh.

big difference between me having 256 on a dynojet and you having 268 on a mustang dyno..

As an LS1 driver, I would like to go on record as saying that the LT1 is a damn good motor.

ORIGINAL: 96SilverLT1

But why would you buy a C4 and put an LSx in it? You can just mod the C4 and go faster for less money.. I'm telling ya I can't stand people who think that if it's not an LSx it's not fast...


Well.. perhaps it's because the stock LT1 is an embarrassing engine to be associated with the Corvette name?

You gotta remember I love sleepers. If I could have sex with sleepers, I would.

LS6 in C4=sleeper.

ORIGINAL: 2000Si


Well.. perhaps it's because the stock LT1 is an embarrassing engine to be associated with the Corvette name?

You gotta remember I love sleepers. If I could have sex with sleepers, I would.

LS6 in C4=sleeper.


High 13's in the early 90's were not exactly embarrasing. At the time, it was probably one of the fastest Corvette's made. It's not a bad motor at all, it's just been improved upon.

Omg James.. your a moron.. you have NO idea about the LT1 or corvettes.. here we go again with the import guy who thinks he knows something. Instead it's just the same old think. if it's not an LS1 it's not fast :eek:

a stock LT1 vette would kick your ass up and down the block. the LT4 would do even more.

fool



Lemme add to that a little.. stock C4 running 13's. Add some exhaust, intake, LT4 convertion or just a differnnt cam and work teh heads a little and your just as fast as if not faster then if you payed 3 or 4 times as much to swap in a LS1. so how does that make a sleeper? hell, head, cam, gear, exhaust, intake, clutch and program the thing and run low 12's.. you make no sence. why spend three times as much to go the same speed or slower and call it a sleeper? hell after all that slap a ATI on it and run mid 11's for still probably less then the LS1 swap would cost.

wasn't here a 4 cam engine in the zr1 vettes for a few years that made about 400 hp?

Yep...405 horse. But it was built by Mercury Marine.

i heard they were built by lotus, but anyways, that should be the ultimate engine, i think, to do a swap with. like dropping an 03 cobra motor in an s2000, it has been done.

mmm LT5..

http://www.brcorvetteclub.com/events/50th/nashville/engines/LT5_Engine_Left.JPG
http://www.brcorvetteclub.com/events/50th/museum/exhibits/LT5_Engine_Cutaway_Left.JPG
http://home.hiwaay.net/~rayc/lt5_frnt.jpg



edit: but thats ok. since it's not an LS1 it's still slow ;)

EDIT again.. yes lotus was in on the design. also there were a very very few customized 475HP LT5's

ORIGINAL: 96SilverLT1

Omg James.. your a moron.. you have NO idea about the LT1 or corvettes.. here we go again with the import guy who thinks he knows something. Instead it's just the same old think. if it's not an LS1 it's not fast :eek:

a stock LT1 vette would kick your ass up and down the block. the LT4 would do even more.

fool



Lemme add to that a little.. stock C4 running 13's. Add some exhaust, intake, LT4 convertion or just a differnnt cam and work teh heads a little and your just as fast as if not faster then if you payed 3 or 4 times as much to swap in a LS1. so how does that make a sleeper? hell, head, cam, gear, exhaust, intake, clutch and program the thing and run low 12's.. you make no sence. why spend three times as much to go the same speed or slower and call it a sleeper? hell after all that slap a ATI on it and run mid 11's for still probably less then the LS1 swap would cost.


So I'm a moron because I have an opinion that compared to C5s C4s are slow as ****? :eek: Face it, C4s are the embarrassment to the Corvette name in hindsite. I never said it was a bad car, in fact I said I'd buy one.. But I think the Corvette should never lose, so the first thing I'd do is swap out the sh!t engine for THE SH!T engine.

Grow up harlan and go back to MST if you're going to sit here and name call.

oh and when did I ever say I was faster than any corvette? *searchs* hmm never said it, here we go bringing my car into soemthing for no apparent reason whatsoever.

And you called me a moron?

did I ever say that you said you were faster then a corvette? nope..



and about the rest of it.. BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA... embarrassment.. BWAAAHAHAHAA...


That is all, some remarks don't even need a rebuttal [sm=icon_rock.gif]

ORIGINAL: 96SilverLT1

did I ever say that you said you were faster then a corvette? nope..


ORIGINAL: 96SilverLT1

a stock LT1 vette would kick your ass up and down the block. the LT4 would do even more.


you made your implications like it really even needed to be made. So yes, you brought up a moot point. Congrats on that.

Can someone please explain to me why a C4 corvette is an embarassment to the corvette name?

they arent, but in comparison to what's been happening over the last 10 years, they are starting to look less and less impressive.

this still going...damn

Jug....best sig EVER!!!1

yea I was just about to say that

ORIGINAL: vfast

this still going...damn


Yeah, but it's kind of amusing to see the two people who can never be wrong try and prove that the other doesn't know what he's talking about.

I've giggled quite a few times.

ORIGINAL: sidewayz4.6

Yeah, but it's kind of amusing to see the two people who can never be wrong try and prove that the other doesn't know what he's talking about.

I've giggled quite a few times.


"Lol'ed" even.

ORIGINAL: Ryan4.6vert

Can someone please explain to me why a C4 corvette is an embarassment to the corvette name?


agree with it or not, I could care less...


but that is my freaking opinion.



You guys are all for speaking your minds, but as soon as I do mine it's completely wrong and I'm called a moron and told that i think "I can never be wrong," like it's really that black or white.

Eh, I know what you meant. It's embarrasing compared to the C5...which it is kinda, but that's what evolution does. I ran a C4 in Mooresville when I only had a gear and a cutout...it wasn't even close. Back before the LS1, no one really had anything to touch it, and they still don't really, if you're not counting GM motors.

Numbers wise, not too many motors compare to the C4's LT1, even today when the motor is over 13 years old. How many bone stock cars run 13's w/o the best driver in the world?

exactly.. 12 years old and still extreamly fast. Sure it's 5 or 6 tenths slower then the C5, and a good second slower then the C6. but come on. Thats evolution. Just like the 3rd gen fbodys, then the LT1, then the LS1. That doesn't make any of them an embarrasment. If you insist that when ever a newer model comes out it makes it's predocesor an embarresment. Then all I can say is wow.


98.. you Ran at Mooresville NC? Suckie 1/8 mile isn't it? WHat did you run? my best there was a 9.4 totaly stock and bogging like you woudn't belive.

I live in Statesville....I've ran at Farmington twice and never at Mooresville. All my friends could get off work on Friday's, which is when we can run at Farmington and can't at Mooresville. We'll probably run at both this season, and some in Rockingham, the closest 1/4 track.

The C4 I ran was on the street from about a 50 kick, I was in my power band and ran all over him, he might have just not been in the right gear, who knows, it was the street. I'm sure you know how much mid-top end power LS1's have though. Hence the reason they're better 1320 cars than 660 cars.

Best I ran at Rockingham, on my first of only two runs with the gears in, I went 8.7 during August, it was pretty hot and humid. Everyone was running a couple tenths off their normal times. The M6 cars were still going 8.4-8.5 @ 87-90 mph though. It helps to launch a bit higher. I've got the headers, x-pipe, 3200 stall, and some Nitto's since then. So hopefully next time we go, I'll break something.

EDIT: can't remember my exact mph...

BWAAAHAHA... your KIDDING ME.. I lived in statesville just before I moved here to New orleans. In fact I am moving back in a few months. I'm surprised that I never saw you there. What was your old ride? maybe I saw it. I even had a 30 member fbody club while I was up there that I started. It really is a small world. I guess you will get the chance to meet/run/hit me after all.. sweet.

I had a '95 TA. You had a 30 member f-body club here....? I didn't even know there were 30 f-bodie's around. Maybe 3000 Mustangs....

If you come back we can run them....it should be fun. Of course, if you keep telling me how fast your LT1 is I'll have to go 3/4 throttle and prove you wrong.

[8D]

lemme find some DR's and I'll run you.. you should still beat me unless you mess up.. but like I said, I only have a cat back and CAI for power mods. the rest is all suspention. If I had an alum DS and stock 10 bolt with my 4.11's and the rest of my mods I would already be in the mid 13's. but at least I know that my rear isn't going to come apart ;) not that mooresville has traction anyway.


but yeah. our first meeting was also our only club meeting since I moved shortly after. We had 10 cars. in the months to follow over 30 members emailed and were added. We met at the hooters in Mooresville just off of exit 36. There was 9 4th gens and a 3rd gen including stacey from Fbody Motorsports.. It was pretty cool. Once I get back there i am going to get the club back around. Maybe make it closer to 50. There is also another club there that I might try to absorb that had a little over 10 fbodys in it....

Stangpowah, from here on MF, neighbor worked at fbodymotorsports for a while, he also has a '98 TA. Eh, I've only got 335'ish rwtq....that + launching at 3000'ish can't be bad for it....

According to the guys on LS1tech I should go mid 12's if I dead hook and don't bust nothing.

That guy with the EVO I work with hangs out in Hickory a lot and said there are a TON of f-bodies there.

yeah, infact I guess there is a monthly fbody criuse in hickory.

I know plenty of people with mostly stock LS1's blow the rear on DR's. and thats with the stock gears. If you have DR's a stall and gears.... just bring tow money incase. If you blow it I'll give you a ride home. I'll even install your Moser for you at a discount ;)



If you can pull a 1.7 or 1.8 60 foot I could see a 12.7.

HAHA! I appreciate it for the ride. I use my step dad for all the free labor. :D

I'm gonna buy it a girdle.....

you have some saging issues??


the girdle will help with bearing deflecton.. but I am still worried about the ring gear. you might never have a problem. It's hard to tell you could lauch from an idle and BOOM clank clank clank..


I'll let you know when I am heading up.. I am guessing it shouold be the 1st of feb or march.

If you blow it I'll give you a ride home.

You know...I can't imagine ever saying that to another guy...But if thats what you're into. Fo Shizzle!

[sm=smiley36.gif]

STFU n00b!!1

he's just jelous.. besides.. no one rides for free [:-]

Uh huh...HOMO! http://www.mustangforums.com/upfiles/4168/asppg_Xv633363324.gif

shhhh.. your going to ruin my plan of luring him into my house with candy..

I am not going to say anything bad about either car. I am buying both (well still waiting on GM to release price for Z06 and ordering my Mustang from a dealer). I know the C5 Z06's are fast as hell bone stock and on the Corvette Forums I am on there are a lot of people running 11's and even some sub 10 modded of course. The new Z06's are suppose to be a 11 second car stock. We will see if that happens.

To bad the guy wouldn't race you. The average age for Corvette owners are like 48 though. Might be a little to set in their ways to race. Also I have learned that C&D and Motor Trend don't know jack :( {although C&D tends to know more than MT} If GM don't price me out of the new Z06 I will race anyone at anytime (27 years old San Jose Cali!).

Figuring out what kind of mods to do my new Stang GT. Any info on what I can do would be great info. I would love to be able to pull up in my 05 and beat a Z06.

The new Z06 is suposed to be right at 75 grand.. still a bargin for the performance.

No way!!!

That is what Motor Trend says, C&D says 62k MSRP so hopefully closer to lower to mid 60's

Ya, it sounds like a hell of a deal if you've got $60k to spend....better than having to spend over $100k for less performance though.

Thats crazy!!! LOL I remember when you could buy a Vette for $20,000!!! LOL I was a youngin but I do remember.

ORIGINAL: 96SilverLT1

Omg James.. your a moron.. you have NO idea about the LT1 or corvettes.. here we go again with the import guy who thinks he knows something. Instead it's just the same old think. if it's not an LS1 it's not fast :eek:

a stock LT1 vette would kick your ass up and down the block. the LT4 would do even more.

fool



Lemme add to that a little.. stock C4 running 13's. Add some exhaust, intake, LT4 convertion or just a differnnt cam and work teh heads a little and your just as fast as if not faster then if you payed 3 or 4 times as much to swap in a LS1. so how does that make a sleeper? hell, head, cam, gear, exhaust, intake, clutch and program the thing and run low 12's.. you make no sence. why spend three times as much to go the same speed or slower and call it a sleeper? hell after all that slap a ATI on it and run mid 11's for still probably less then the LS1 swap would cost.



Actually, he said LS6, and you need to back up out of his face noob...

Why is everyone bashing the old cars? If you lived back in that day, and had one, you would be right in the middle of the competition! The engines have been improved upon! Don't bash them because they are slower than out CURRENT motors! What the **** do you expect? The engines to run the same times and put out the same ****ing horse power? THAT would be a complete embarrassment... I dont see what the big deal is about our current cars! Sure, later on the LS1 will be a thing of the past, but its still going to be a bad ass little motor... 98LS1, think about how well our engines respond to bolt ons and FI even...

You know, if you people think your cars are so slow, why don't you get rid of your POS? Get what you really want instead of wasting all this money building up "slow cars"?

You all sound like idiots. Period. "Dude my car is so ****ing slow, I'm going to spend 5K or more building it up to go as fast as the newer cars, but its still a piece of ****" Wow, you sound intelligent.


BTW, none of those paragraphs were directed to 2000SI... he is HAPPY with his SI... he doesn't go around dogging the car he drives...

:)

LMAO!!! This place is soooo much fun!!! LOL

oh yes it is:D

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ORIGINAL: blazer_4.3

oh yes it is:D

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Wow... thats hipmmmaaaatitiiissinnggg...[sm=sick.gif]

Oh god, another demon argument [&:]

Why not get a s/ced big block... It will never go out of style and you won't have to worry about newer technology...

Oh, and demon, my car is about $700 less a year than the '98 TA I was looking at... If you have the car for a few year, it evens out...

ORIGINAL: jdaniel


ORIGINAL: blazer_4.3

oh yes it is:D

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Wow... thats hipmmmaaaatitiiissinnggg...[sm=sick.gif]


Ya c civic r'nt increasing hp like crazy. the new stang has a 4.6 and is producing 40 more horse than our 99+ there4 we feel that we have to keep up to say in the game. Its survival of the fittest stang LOL:)

BTW
Someone hit that LOL
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sorry its the only pic i could find on yahoo [&o]

ORIGINAL: Acer2428

Oh god, another demon argument [&:]

Why not get a s/ced big block... It will never go out of style and you won't have to worry about newer technology...

Oh, and demon, my car is about $700 less a year than the '98 TA I was looking at... If you have the car for a few year, it evens out...


Dude, if you think that everytime I post my opinion its an arguement, you need to wake up and smell the horse ****. I was merely defending the engine I think is pretty good. I get sick of hearing about how ****ty this motor is and how ****ty that motor is, etc. They were good in their day. Thats my opinion. If you can't stand people posting opinions then get off the forum. It's life, I would have said the same thing in person. Internet doesn't make my opinion any different.

BTW, Acer, thats great, considering I don't know what kind of car you have and I own a WS6 not a plain TA, then your said statement makes absolutely no sense to me. Oh and mine is a 00 WS6, not a 98... and I have bank connections... so I'm not sure where you get that paying on my car, including insurance, is 700$ more than your car. Just curious.

Jeez, kids... dont start!

Say it w/ me now "Its only a msg board, its only a msg board." :)

either that or try counting to 10 LOL J/K :)

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ORIGINAL: DVS99GT

Say it w/ me now "Its only a msg board, its only a msg board." :)

either that or try counting to 10 LOL J/K :)

demon says...
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ORIGINAL: jdaniel

Jeez, kids... dont start!



Seriously JD, I can't even post my opinion without being bashed for ARGUING! I can have intelligent conversation when the converser speaks intelligently! :D Wuv you JD!

thats hillarious JD :D LOL:DLOL

Well I like to think (I would say I KNOW but that would start a whole new thread) that im the most intelligent person on this forum. :D Did I mention im also King Dick? ;)

ORIGINAL: jdaniel

Well I like to think (I would say I KNOW but that would start a whole new thread) that im the most intelligent person on this forum. :D Did I mention im also King Dick? ;)



HAHA, I'm sure you are!

ORIGINAL: DVS99GT


Ya c civic r'nt increasing hp like crazy. the new stang has a 4.6 and is producing 40 more horse than our 99+ there4 we feel that we have to keep up to say in the game. Its survival of the fittest stang LOL:)

Civics aren't meant to increase hp like crazy. Don't compare the progress of a 1.7L Civic to a 4.6L Mustang.

But since you're in a comparison mood, lets compare the ls1 vs the 4.6. Ford finally gave the Mustang the 300 hp it deserves in it's GT. Ford destroyed the Mustang GT nameplate in 93 when SVT was form, it only took Ford 8 years to get to just about the same hp level in the GT as Chevy had in the Z28.


btw... This isn't just my opinion, this is the opinion I've seen stated many many times on this board.

True that.

wait wait.. he called the vette an embarrassment, and your defending him?

That was done 2 pages ago Harlan. Catch up on the current chat for a change.

I was gonna ask what the hell he was talking about. LOL

Damn this thread is destined for controversy every topic that is brought up their is an arguement. I guess anytime a 500hp+ Z06 is brought up we immediatly get pissed off at chevy for killing our dreams of being able to beat the new vettes that hit the road. I know how u guys feel[sm=smiley2.gif] its like our GTs are being dusted by the new age everything [sm=sigh.gif]

My advice: Just keep modding boys (and the few girls that r here on the forum).

Damn this thread is destined for controversy every topic that is brought up their is an arguement. I guess anytime a 500hp+ Z06 is brought up we immediatly get pissed off at chevy for killing our dreams of being able to beat the new vettes that hit the road. I know how u guys feel its like our GTs are being dusted by the new age everything

...That's where the 05 S281E Saleen comes in.

ORIGINAL: jdaniel

I was gonna ask what the hell he was talking about. LOL




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LOL I love those.