RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners
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RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners - 5/29/2007 4:31:49 AM
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Brandontyler65
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Hi again. A person might be able to argue that a hipo Fairlane isn't truly a muscle car without sounding stupid, but I just don't see how that would be the case for a t-bolt or a 63 1/2 R code galaxie 500. Or a 64 hemi belvedere, or any of the stage III max wedge cars, or a 62/63 408 tri-power, or.........
I do believe the Thunder-Bolt was an A/FX strip only aluminum bumper, plexi-glass side window, no high-beam head lights (used for the ram air ducts) DRAG CAR. NOT street legal. Said so right on the id plate. And the other cars you listed were behemoths based on full sized cars.
Mustang, Camaro, Barracuda............PONY car.
GTO, SS-396, 442, Road-Runner.......MUSCLE car
Cobra, XKE, tr-250,..........................SPORTS-CAR
Galaxie, Fury, Chrysler 300...............full sized cars with great big motors. Too heavy to keep-up.
It was the CLASS of the car not the SPEED of the car. Kind of like a M-B S-class LUXURY car that has a 600 hp engine.....it is first and foremost a LUXURY car....it just happens to be very fast.
Dose that explain it in term we can all understand?
galaxy ....... nascar
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RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners - 5/29/2007 7:33:29 AM
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mikethebike
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Hi again. Not to be trying to make a big deal out of it, but the mopar 'B' bodies were mid-sized cars, unlike the Chrysler 300s and galaxies. The t-bolts were drag cars but the fairlanes had an available 427 option starting in 66. Then there was the stage I, II, and III max wedge. Mopar introduced it's stageI 413 max wedge in '62, and it was available in a variety full and mid sized dodges and plymouths.In 63 the stage II max wedge bumped the displacement up to 426, which the stage III also had, and they pretty much reigned supreme until the introduction of the 426 Hemi. A tri-powered goat had absolutely no business lining up with a hemi belevedere. Many seem to think of the goat as the first true muscle car, but by any reasonable definition, mopar beat them to the punch by a couple of years. Ford started putting the Special Power big block 352 in mid sized cars in 1960. It isn't really as clear cut as some seem to believe on what the first actual muscle car was. The mustangs weren't muscle cars, neither were the foriegn fireballs like Ferrari or Cisitalia, but I really don't see how folks could exclude the mopars. Yet, somehow they do.
It IS that easy. pre 1964 GTO=not a 'muscle' car. again..it is a CLASS of auto, not the speed. CSX2000 with a 260 ran the 1/4 in 12.2 in 1963 but it was not a 'muscle' car. The 1964 GTO started the trend. And just how many 427 fairlanes were built? I never saw one on the street. I never excluded the Mopars.....only the BIG Mopars.....but the SS Chevelle followed by the big-blcok Camaro and Nova were the street kings. Nothing out there would keep-up. The closest Ford got was that killer 428-CJ but even that was the brain chilod of an ex-Chevy president named Bunky Knudsen (also the Boss 302/429). Ford couldn't keep-up on the street. They didn't offer the parts and support to plain working folk.
I know you don't like hearing that but it is the truth.
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RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners - 5/29/2007 7:40:01 AM
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Like said before. The 1964 GTO was the first muscle car.
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RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners - 5/29/2007 9:15:52 AM
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One of the MySpace classic car groups I belong to is all about muscle cars, and lists these. To some, muscle cars are defined by class, to some by speed and to some, by the make and model I guess.
Definition of a muscle car-
1964-1965 Pontiac Tempest Le Mans GTO
1965-1975 Buick Riviera Gran Sport
1965-1969 Buick Skylark Gran Sport
1965-1970 Dodge Coronet/Plymouth Belvedere 426-S
1965 Chevrolet Chevelle Malibu SS
1965-1967 Oldsmobile Cutlass 442
1968-1974 AMC AMX
1970-1974 Buick GSX
1967-2002 Chevrolet Camaro
1965-1972 Chevrolet Chevelle SS
1970-1972 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS454
1963-1974 Chevrolet Nova SS
1970-1971 Dodge Challenger
1966-1974 Dodge Charger
1968-1976 Dodge Dart GTS and Demon
1969-1970 Dodge Daytona
1968-1971 Dodge Super Bee
1966-1969 Ford Fairlane GT, GTA, and Cobra
1964-1973 Ford Mustang
1968-1974 Ford Torino (GT & Cobra)
1967-1973 Mercury Cougar
1968-1971 Oldsmobile 442
1964-1974 Plymouth Barracuda
1970-1976 Plymouth Duster
1967-1971 Plymouth GTX
1968-1974 Plymouth Road Runner
1970 Plymouth Superbird
1966-1971 Pontiac GTO
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RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners - 5/29/2007 12:51:01 PM
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Conspicuous in their absence are the 62 and 63 Fords with the 406 CID engines, available with single and dual quads, and the 63 Ford 427 CID also with single or dual quad option. They are not considered muscle cars?
I've seen one Thunderbolt on the road. It was owned by an Air Force Sergeant who bought it new in 65 from the left overs.
Jim
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RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners - 5/29/2007 1:49:27 PM
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I had a long talk with some people about the pyschological underpinnings of owning a 40 year old Mustang.
We all know we could have transporation that is cheaper and more reliable. Then why do we devote all this time, attention, and money to these machines?
One person suggested ownership was a way of overcompensating for a lack of self-worth
Another suggested that, for us middle aged guys, it signals an identity crisis. They "joked" about many Mustang owners being close to twice the age of their cars
One of the wives thought owning an "aged" car meant I couldn't let go of the past and it was sad attempt to be "cool" like Steve McQueen!
I simply said it was great fun and a very special conncetion with the past. And I do feel "oh-so-cool" when driving it!
Am I the only one that is surrounded by idiots (who dive new BMW/Lexus/Mercedes) who don't get it!!!
Back to the topic, I am 34 and a small business owner, I don't feel I am over compensating for lack of self worth, I plain and simply just got tired of driving a vehicle that gave me no pleasure. How many BMW/Lexus/Mercedes owners get a smile on their face when they open there garage and see their car waiting for them to turn it on. How many of those owners turn that grin into a big smile when they turn the key to hear their motor (V8, I6 who cares) rumble to life.
I don't really care what other people think, as long as I feel good about owning a classic mustang, that is all that matters.
Most of my clients would expect me to be driving a BMW/Lexus/Mercedes, but when I pull up for a meeting and they see a beautiful shiny Mustang instead, they know they are talking to someone who has passion and drive.
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RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners - 5/29/2007 2:15:34 PM
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Mustangdemon67
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im 20 and i have a 67 as a daily driver and a 66 project. i dont have low self worth, or at least i dont think i do?! i love that car, i have put alot of money into her and she still needs alot more work. its my first car that i got when i was 15 as a gift from my grandfather and i love her. im not goin to lie, ive seen some nice classics and i think, damn i want one of those. but all that aside these cars have personality, my 66 and 67 are nothin alike, at all. but there is nothin more rewarding to me, when ive spent the day working on my car and then driving around testing out how she runs after the work "i" did on her, not taking her to a dealer when i hear a strange sound and paying 900$ so they can tell me a screw was loose. bottom line is that i feel connected to my car, its not just a car, its my baby. i wouldnt be able to make such a conection with a new civic or something.
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RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners - 5/29/2007 2:40:30 PM
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Mustangdemon67
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oh, i forgot to mention, my car gets alot of attention from the ladies . thats always a plus!
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RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners - 5/29/2007 3:21:45 PM
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I own my fastback because:
#1. It was a helluva deal. Got it off of my brother. Traded a 64 Fairlane for it.
#2. It was one of the first cars I ever saw that literally stopped me dead in my tracks with its unbelievalbly cool lines.
#3. It keeps me out of the bars. When my wife complains that I spend too much time working on the mustang, I remind her that I could be out practicing my drinking and pool playing.
#4. I love the smiles on my daughters faces when they are riding around with daddy in the "mutame".
As for the earlier posts about the drive-ins, aka. "The Finger-Bowl", aka. "The Swerve-in". Ours closed down here in Deland in the early 90's. Damn shame. My friend lives in Ruskin Florida and they still have a drive in there. The place is always packed to the gills, or at least it has been every time I have been there. I have to believe that if somebody brought the drive-in's back that they would make a killing.
The fold down rear seat in the fastbacks are the bomb. Fold both front seats forward and in the morning wipe the footprints off of the back of them and get the peter-tracks off of the carpet. I did some of my prettiest work in a 64 Fairlane, a 66 El-Camino, a 67 Chevelle, 68 Firebird (that was the toughest to "work" in) and of course the 67 fastback.
As for the argument that the only reason one would drive a mustang is to compensate for some short-coming, that is complete balderdash and does not even warrant a response.
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RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners - 5/29/2007 3:44:39 PM
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ORIGINAL: Timelockmind
I had a long talk with some people about the pyschological underpinnings of owning a 40 year old Mustang.
We all know we could have transporation that is cheaper and more reliable. Then why do we devote all this time, attention, and money to these machines?
One person suggested ownership was a way of overcompensating for a lack of self-worth
Another suggested that, for us middle aged guys, it signals an identity crisis. They "joked" about many Mustang owners being close to twice the age of their cars
One of the wives thought owning an "aged" car meant I couldn't let go of the past and it was sad attempt to be "cool" like Steve McQueen!
I simply said it was great fun and a very special conncetion with the past. And I do feel "oh-so-cool" when driving it!
Am I the only one that is surrounded by idiots (who dive new BMW/Lexus/Mercedes) who don't get it!!!
I have a degree in Psych but I don't make a living with it. I've always been into computers, cars, and have worked in sales all my life. Part of the reason I didn't go further than a B.S. in Psych is because those that are in the field for the most part are complete morons and themselves are self-centered/ego-centric. Everything has to do with mother, father, or compensation issues. Incidently those three focuses of psychology have been deemed fall-back positions by modern psychologists. Meaning, that's what to look at when you haven't a real clue about what is going on with the person.
Dr. Phil believe it or not is what I consider a modern psychologist. Fug what happened to you in the past. You're aware of it and your an adult, make your own decisions.
I say people that like the mustang or classic cars in general have a healthy hobby. Ask one of those shrinks what kinds of hobbies they have...it will probably be something "inspirational" or "intellectual" aka boring. It's because their own world is pretty boring.
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RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners - 5/29/2007 4:19:06 PM
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I've owned/own several Mustangs and have enjoyed them all. While somebody could try to find some psychological reason for it, it is much more basic than that ... I needed transportation and a classic Mustang was affordable at the time (1988), was easily modfied and was exempt from smog here in CA. For similar reasons, I've really enjoyed all the Jeeps I've owned/own ... they are fun to tinker with and the modification/restoration possibilities are only limited by your budget.
As for 'Muscle Cars', I'd be skeptical of any list as it seems about impossible to be all-inclusive. My late grandfather, who bought a new car just about every year of his life up until his 80's, once owned a 1970 AMC 'Machine', with a 390 V-8 and functional, vacuum operated hood scoop. I don't see it on the 'list', but I consider it a muscle car ... a rare one at that. BTW, he bought his with the stripe-delete so as to be a bit more 'stealth'.
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/classicamx/RebMachArticle/RebMachineArticle.html
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RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners - 5/29/2007 5:30:05 PM
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james_topless67
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Mikethebike mentioned drive-in theaters. I grew up in the midwest and have amazing memories of these magical evenings with me, my girl of the week, and my ram air GTO!
Alas, there are no more drive-in's in LA (and if there were the character of them would surely not be the same).
Do any of you still have drive in's? And if you do, do you ever take you beloved Mustangs to them? How I envy those of you that still get to experience this. My kids have no idea what I am taking about when I tell them about wathcing movies outdoors (altough I rarely watched a WHOLE movie in my car!)
There is a drive in open by me. I was planning on taking the mustang there this past weekend but it rained here all weekend. I have been to the drive in several times. I have 4 kids we have been there in a ford expedition. I pull in backwards fold the seats down put down a few blankets open the back lift gate and watch the movie. Alas they do not have the old crappy speakers the sound is transmitted with a short range FM transmitter of 88.7
http://www.theshowboatdrivein.com/
I am 33 older than some on this board but younger than others. I am younger than my car. I drive it because I like the classics. They are fun to drive. The sound of an all American V8. You do not have to have metric tools to work on it.
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RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners - 5/29/2007 5:44:05 PM
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groho
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Why I love my mustang. . .
1) old mustangs are CRACK on four wheels. 2) it's cheaper then a shrink, but actually, when you add up the expenses, they're about the same. 3) usually doesn't end in divorce.
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RE: A Psychological Assessment of Classic Mustang Owners - 5/29/2007 5:54:41 PM
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I was there!
In 1969 there were plenty of "Muscle Cars" from all of the American automakers.I have seen my share of big block Fairlanes,Torino's,Mustangs,Camaros,AMX's,Cuda's and everything else you can imagine.Ford called their Mustang a "Pony Car" ,the name Muscle Car was born on the street.
And,I have 2 Holley 715's on mine,it runs great and gets 14mph (as long as you keep your foot out of it)
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did you modify your shocktowers? they seem alot smaller then mine
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