Great reply. I have been a member here for well over a year and a Ford and Mustang guy for over 25 years. I missed the aforementioned bash fest (glad I did, btw) and I wouldn't have known that discussing modern technology for vintage Mustangs causes such a poop-storm in this day and age.
This debate was heated to white-hot temperatures back in the 80s when the purists balked at every minor variance from bone-stock. I was under the impression that those debates had died especially since the MCA now accommodates these modified (restomod) cars.
Why should new site-users/new Mustang owners be forced to assume all previous debates and differences? Why is it their responsibility to learn all of the habits (good/bad) of the old guard? Why can’t people just show up to the site with fresh ideas (fresh to them) or a fresh mind-set (even if you are already tired of the debate) without all the name-calling or assumptions.
As a former site-mod myself, I do understand the need to reign-in loose cannons or fire starters, but DJ was hardly taking shots or trolling. His perspectives were very detailed and he supported them with details. In my opinion, some of the responses were more in-line were dredging up the bad feelings and the animosity…not the initial post.
These cars are fun. Making them our own is fun. Talking about them should also be fun.
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Whether you agree or disagree it does not matter, it was done and anyone that is not a moderator has no reason to question what was done except the person that started the thread and the moderator, and it should be done in private not on an open forum. If someone can make sense to why their thread should not have been closed then they don't need everyone else backing them up and saying they disagree with actions taken. people are moderators for a reason- Since i have been on the forum I have noticed that threads like this only cause problems.
I understand what you were doing by starting the original thread now that people know why you did not respond but it did seem trollish at the time. So take that into consideration before you start bashing people.
On a lighter note your car is very nice and you should stick around it looks like you have something to offer the site.
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Colt-
I do not have any "dislike for Soaring". What I don't like is people abusing the power that they are given. I agree with you in that Glen is very knowledgeable. I have stated this several times before. I even went as far as saying this forum wouldn't be the same without him, and I still feel that way. Usually his advice is spot-on, especially when he is discussing stock items. I also agree that, as moderator, it is his job to keep "members here from cutting each other's throat", however, it is NOT his job to wield the same knife himself. That happens way too often.
There is no excuse for public belittling, equipment bashing or locking, moving or deleting threads that are on-topic and that don't break any forum rules. Just because a post doesn't comply to his "opinions" doesn't justify any of those actions.
You are not privy to other conversations that Glen and I have had and therefore do not know our history, it would probably be wise if you didn't insert your opinion in matters that you don't fully understand.
I stand by my opinion that this section of the forum should be open to all posts that follow the posted rules, without censorship by the moderator.
I can see where this is going.... I have only been here for a short time, but have loved all the info and help i have recieved. Just my 2 cents, opinions are like @ssholes, everyones got one. Its a freaking Mustang forum, dosn't matter if its modded or original , its a freakin mustang, we are here to share ideas and opinions---relaxs
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Troy, Why do you think a moderator is necessary? To censor posts of course. You sound as if you know what Soaring's job is. Well, you don't, and I for one am getting tired of your constant snipping at him every time you get a chance. I don't even know Soaring, but I do know that you are just causing trouble when you take pot shots at him that he doesn't deserve.
Can't we ALL just get along? I would like everyone to take a deep breath, now again.... OK enough of that. Let's take a minute to review what a not-so-wise person has asked before... http://www.mustangforums.com/m_3273256/tm.htm Let's come together to get a feeling of accomplishment. I know I'd sure the hell appreciate it.
Troy and Colt...you two guys need to take it to a PM or I will be forced to lock this one as well. And Troy, you can bitch all you want to, but I will do my job as I see fit without any interference from you.
Thanks for the support guys, well some of you anyway. I wasn't trying to start up trouble, well at least not the other thread. The other thread my have been discussed before and I didn't see it. If it was, it was before this weekends show that I went to where we had 7000 cars and with only 1 being a nice modified. That was the basis of my post. Thanks agian for the complimants on my car.
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I'm behind you 100% on this. I'm of the opinion that this section of the forum is for anything to do with classic mustangs, whether it be regarding a concourse correct piece, or how to install an electronic fuel injection. As long as it pertains to classic Mustangs, it should be allowed. Unfortunatly, the moderator of this section does not see it that way, and as I have so politely been told, "this is not a democracy". Usually any thread regarding a classic Mustang modification that the moderator does not approve of gets capped with him doing some name calling and equipment bashing then the thread gets locked, moved, or even deleteted all together.
In your original thread ( http://www.mustangforums.com/m_3265813/tm.htm ) it was mentioned that this topic has been previsously discussed. Since you are new, it's pretty obvious that you weren't aware of that problem and shouldn't be faulted for bringing it up. Urban dictionary defines a forum troll as "Someone who gets pleasure by typing annoying/controversial/offensive words at strangers on Internet forums, for them to read" ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=forum+troll ). Again, you are new around here and didn't know you were bringing up a controversial topic so I don't think you fit that description.
I was part of the original discussion that was referenced and it included name calling, equipment bashing, pouting, etc. by other people who should have know better. The discussion went downhill fast last time, but my feelings (and probably others that share my opinion) have not changed; as long as the discussion is actually regarding classic Mustangs, it is unacceptable for the thread to be locked, moved or deleted. As adults we should be able to discuss this topic again without it turning ugly.
Pitch in your two cents and reply politely when asked questions. I understand if you don't reply as quickly as other people, because some of us have still have jobs and can't monitor all conversations at all times during the day. Maybe other people should learn patience instead of name calling. As far as your fear of being banned... keep your posts professional and on topic and that shouldn't happen. There are only a few people around here that have the power to out-right ban people and the moderator of this section is not one of them.
Troy- I have noticed your dislike for Soaring almost from the time you became a member of this forum. From what I have read and observed, Soaring is one of the most knowledgable classic Mustang owners on here, and does a good job of keeping the members here from cutting each other's throat. It is obvious you don't know what his job is as the moderator, and you certainly can't know what his powers are as the moderator. My suggestion is that you back off and let the man do his job and quit complaining every time you don't get your way.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but a forum moderators job is to enforce the rules of the forum.
Please point me to the rule that states a member can not question the reason why an on-topic thread he started was locked, moved or deleted. Please point me to the rule that states a member can not question the reason why he was called names by the moderator. Please point me to the rule that states there is to be no discussion of unconventional modifications to classic Mustangs. Please point me to the rule that states the moderators opinion on which equipment is good and which equipment is a "POS" is the correct, and only, opinion allowed. Please point me to the rule that states if those (nonexistent) rules are broken, the poster shall be subject to further public name calling and other abuse by the moderator.
Again, I understand the requirement of a forum moderator. I understand that there are times where off-topic posts need to be locked, moved or deleted. I understand that being a moderator is a thankless job and I understand that moderators are not paid for their time. However, what I don't understand is the abuse of those powers that is going on. Why does it continue to happen even after it has been pointed out? There are far better ways to approach these issues, non of which Glen has chosen to take.
Also, I am not taking "pot shots" at anyone. I am simply stating the facts on what I have seen happen to several members here and I am questioning why it is continuing. I am standing up for other members that are afraid to do so, for fear of banishment. I am qualified to do this because I have been in this exact situation and I know how it feels. Limiting or censoring on-topic threads hurts the entire forum. Why would anyone want to do that?
What we don't need here is two separate camps...those who support the moderator and everyone else. Most sites run very well with little or self-moderation.
Let's move on.
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The thing with just "moving on" is that the problem never gets solved and it pops up again a couple of months later. We've all been there, we are all doing it again right now. I really do think this can be discussed as adults and a solution can be found.
There are a couple different ways I see that happening;
1) Glen permanently changes the way he handles what he considers off-topic posts, including refraining from name calling. 2) The rules to this section of the forum are modified to state that posts regarding unconventional modifications to classic Mustangs are not allowed. 3) Separate sections are created for stock and modified Mustangs. 4) ?
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What we don't need here is two separate camps...those who support the moderator and everyone else. Most sites run very well with little or self-moderation.
Let's move on.
There is already a place like that here,,,,, it is called OT, (off Topic) Yuo can get a belly full of controversy and all the useless banter you want there.
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The thing with just "moving on" is that the problem never gets solved and it pops up again a couple of months later. We've all been there, we are all doing it again right now. I really do think this can be discussed as adults and a solution can be found. There are a couple different ways I see that happening; 1) Glen permanently changes the way he handles what he considers off-topic posts, including refraining from name calling. 2) The rules to this section of the forum are modified to state that posts regarding unconventional modifications to classic Mustangs are not allowed. 3) Separate sections are created for stock and modified Mustangs. 4) ? Does anyone else have any realistic solutions?
Pardon me for saying so, but IMO you are not doing anything to help chill things out either, I have seen you make plenty of unprovoked attacks against Glen as well. Kind of like a tiger waiting to pounce on it's prey.
do me a favor,,, pretty please, just stop.... If you think what you say above is true, why not be an adult and let it go? It really is not a big deal.
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Stop looking to be offended. Stop taking offense when you're corrected by someone else. Stop tossing insults. This is all just relationship basics. Stuff we all learned in primary school. Treat people the way you want to be treated. Treat this board as if YOU (this is the c.o.l.l.e.c.t.i.v.e you) are the guest (because we all are). Be frank and sensitive (this one is very hard to do for most people). I could go on...but I am just wasting my breath.
Edited to help show the C-word...unbelievable col-lective is a bad word?
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Bottom line should be, if you read a post, and do not agree, or dislike someone, DON"T READ IT. If you have good comments or qoustions about the topic, then sapport the topic. Thats what makes it a forum. I said it before and i will say it again- This is a Mustang Forum, as long as it is talk about Mustangs, and not bashing anyone, or useing the f word everyline, or breaking rules, it should flow.
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