The saleen is a good supercharger if you want to stay at those #'s then it is your perfect mate. Very effective and efficient at low boost #'s, but like I said if you are looking for 500-600 or maybe more then it should not be an option among your choices.
I'm curious as to where you guys get this information. I've seen alot of Saleen s/c cars come out of JDM (including mine) with results very similar to Hawgman's. Tuning makes a huge difference.
well, here is my take, I am not going to say BS, but I think someone who did his dyno did something wrong or is misleading him. 4lbs of boost would not be over 400rwhp. Assuming 20% loss that would put him at 515-520 crank hp, if I am not mistaking, Saleen S/C from Factory is putting out 4lbs of boost and there is no claim of 515-520 crank hp. I could be wrong but something doesn't add up
Saleens from factory or horribly undertuned. Remember they still have to offer an engine warranty.
TJ, I may get into a considerable amount of trouble by telling you this because it is a highly guarded secret amoungst (us), but I do consider you like a brother.... The black ponies are a little bit faster (shhhhhh)...They've been doing that since the beginning.....
thats it,,,,,I am done with you as my brother....I say..GOOD DAY.........allright its time to line up on the track....my blue gt vs ___________ J/K its all good...I just like blue...So I will take my slow blue car and hope I can make it down the road fast enough to not be ran over by oncoming traffic...LOL
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Yeah, I love the blue... I sometimes wish I would have gone with the vista.... The only reason they make the black ones a bit faster, is because we gotta be able to catch up to you, due to the fact that we are ALWAYS washing the car!!!!
well, here is my take, I am not going to say BS, but I think someone who did his dyno did something wrong or is misleading him. 4lbs of boost would not be over 400rwhp. Assuming 20% loss that would put him at 515-520 crank hp, if I am not mistaking, Saleen S/C from Factory is putting out 4lbs of boost and there is no claim of 515-520 crank hp. I could be wrong but something doesn't add up
Saleens from factory or horribly undertuned. Remember they still have to offer an engine warranty.
Trust me I know!! Should of used better wording. Again Ijust think 4lbs of boost over 400rwhp? I know tuning will do wonders, I agree the tune has everything to do with it, look at me 9psi and only 392 rwhp, but thats by choice, I just dont think 4lbs is possible for 400 rwhp. But I could be wrong, would not be the first time!
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Tell me chef what was your first impresion of your stang with your blower. I am personally going w/ KB because I've been with them since 97 on a 95 GT. I've heard alot of good thins about Saleen blowers.
Tell me chef what was your first impresion of your stang with your blower. I am personally going w/ KB because I've been with them since 97 on a 95 GT. I've heard alot of good thins about Saleen blowers.
first impression,,,,,hmmm......I think it was sheeyat.....it aint running...no thats a different issue...once everything was fixed and I drove for the first time...I was like WOW.....in fact even today I am still like WOW>...You cant go worng with KB, Whipple or Saleen...it is addictive that is for sure...just try to remove the grin.... the car pulls so much better...to hear that whine of the supercharger buliding boost...lets put it this way...the car can get away from you real quick now...Now that my Saleen has broken in and the new tune I have it howls..people look your way twice....YOU WILL LOVE IT..I GUARANTEE YOU.....ITs GREAT TO BE BLOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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06 Saleen why did you stop ur run at 5.1k rpm. You should check your car you are throwing a lot less hp than one we got here. at ur psi he was over 500hp, the tune was not aggressive and was running safe timming. He didn't care if the engine was a timebomb at those psi levels -.-.
Carmen, I'll chime in here as well, i know ya didn't ask me, but I'll offer you my 1st impression as ChefTJ and I went thru the same process at about the same time... I'll agree with what TJ said about Holy Sheeyat as well... but honestly I was looking for more (and still am).
When I first got the car back I had a lot of stuff done to it including the Saleen w/ the upgrade.. I was making 400 RW at 5.5 psi... She was definately a whole new car...then last Sunday I had the 3.4 Pulley installed and dyno'd at 430rw/426tq(at 7.59psi)... Feels even better. But now less than a week later I'll be putting on a 3.2 pulley and a re-dyno tune on Saturday... I wanna be at 450+...I'm pretty sure I'll be there after saturday... but I got to take a ride in a car with a KB at 8psi kickin out 471rw/425tq. he has stock exhaust, and some suspension mods... That blower is cool...cause you can really hear it whining... I kinda like that, but also like the quietness of the Saleen.. However, I really liked the fact that the stock exhaust is about 100 times more quiet than mine... His car I would say is faster cause he's up about 50hp, but I wouldn't say by a whole lot... It seemed like the power was tighter (if that makes any sense) but I think that is due to the fact that you could hear the engine and the whine a lot better because you couldn't hear the rumble...
Kinda hard to explain, but it seemed like it had more "zing" and less muscle... almost more like a tightly wound sports car, and not an in your face muscle, gunna kick your ass feel...
It really is a tough decision.... it'll really kinda depend on what your after, I think if I were to do it again, I would maybe consider the KB 2.6 a little more, only cause I think its capable of putting out more boost than the Saleen... However, the Saleen is capable of getting ya into having to have Forged Internals.... But, having said that, I'm going to wait until next year, or at least until it get's crappy out here in the Northeast again until I consider going Forged... But I'm thinking that if I make that decision, I personally will probably end up just taking out this motor and going with a bigger one capable of BIG power...700+ minimum...safely.
So, really if you said that you have been with KB for a long time, I see no advantage straying away... I never planned on going higher than 450rw when I first set out to do all this, but now that I'm (almost) there, I'm thinking I kinda want to be in that stupidly insane power "bracket".
I'm certianly not knocking the Saleen...and at the end of the day IMO it is the best looking install, and it is super quiet...but that whine was cool... (That opinion could change if I had to listen to it all the time though, so I dunno).. Put it this way I can barely hear my Saleen....and I mean barely. But that KB, there was no mistaking it... which was cool in an intimidating way..
Anyway that's my .02 :)
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Carmen, I'll chime in here as well, i know ya didn't ask me, but I'll offer you my 1st impression as ChefTJ and I went thru the same process at about the same time... I'll agree with what TJ said about Holy Sheeyat as well... but honestly I was looking for more (and still am).
When I first got the car back I had a lot of stuff done to it including the Saleen w/ the upgrade.. I was making 400 RW at 5.5 psi... She was definately a whole new car...then last Sunday I had the 3.4 Pulley installed and dyno'd at 430rw/426tq(at 7.59psi)... Feels even better. But now less than a week later I'll be putting on a 3.2 pulley and a re-dyno tune on Saturday... I wanna be at 450+...I'm pretty sure I'll be there after saturday... but I got to take a ride in a car with a KB at 8psi kickin out 471rw/425tq. he has stock exhaust, and some suspension mods... That blower is cool...cause you can really hear it whining... I kinda like that, but also like the quietness of the Saleen.. However, I really liked the fact that the stock exhaust is about 100 times more quiet than mine... His car I would say is faster cause he's up about 50hp, but I wouldn't say by a whole lot... It seemed like the power was tighter (if that makes any sense) but I think that is due to the fact that you could hear the engine and the whine a lot better because you couldn't hear the rumble...
Kinda hard to explain, but it seemed like it had more "zing" and less muscle... almost more like a tightly wound sports car, and not an in your face muscle, gunna kick your ass feel...
It really is a tough decision.... it'll really kinda depend on what your after, I think if I were to do it again, I would maybe consider the KB 2.6 a little more, only cause I think its capable of putting out more boost than the Saleen... However, the Saleen is capable of getting ya into having to have Forged Internals.... But, having said that, I'm going to wait until next year, or at least until it get's crappy out here in the Northeast again until I consider going Forged... But I'm thinking that if I make that decision, I personally will probably end up just taking out this motor and going with a bigger one capable of BIG power...700+ minimum...safely.
So, really if you said that you have been with KB for a long time, I see no advantage straying away... I never planned on going higher than 450rw when I first set out to do all this, but now that I'm (almost) there, I'm thinking I kinda want to be in that stupidly insane power "bracket".
I'm certianly not knocking the Saleen...and at the end of the day IMO it is the best looking install, and it is super quiet...but that whine was cool... (That opinion could change if I had to listen to it all the time though, so I dunno).. Put it this way I can barely hear my Saleen....and I mean barely. But that KB, there was no mistaking it... which was cool in an intimidating way..
Anyway that's my .02 :)
actually with mine the whine became more apparent over time...maybe it is jsut me listening for it and my exhaust is loud as shiznit....but when you are thumping on her it whines...it howls as it downshifts as well....LOVE IT...but as Perdi said, if you are happy with KB stay with them....I heard its and awesome blower...I on the other hand just could not beat the price I got my setup for...thats why I truly went Saleen...as I was between the big 3 of KB, Saleen and Whipple..but UGM got me the Saleen for under $4200....could not go wrong
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06 Saleen why did you stop ur run at 5.1k rpm. You should check your car you are throwing a lot less hp than one we got here. at ur psi he was over 500hp, the tune was not aggressive and was running safe timming. He didn't care if the engine was a timebomb at those psi levels -.-.
Andrew
Just being extra safe. Very humid and sea level where I live which = Boom if your not careful. Plus I wanted to keep it streetable as possible. My car was lucky to have my local guy who is wonderful! Plus we had Sniper Tuning Owner help out and AMP racing. This question comes up to me all the time so I will give you the reason our numbers are low. 1st off all we wanted was 400rwhp. We pretty much got that. We could of easily gotten 40-60 more hp out of the psi, so we would of been at 430-450 rwhp. My 20 inch rims eat up 10 rwhp so now were at 440-460 rwhp, we were on a mustang dyno which more than likely reads 20-30 rwhp less than a DynoJet, now were at 460-490 rwhp. Plus we stoped the pull at 5100rpm, so more than likely we had another 10-20 rwhp to see. There you go 470-510 rwhp. I am not a big dyno guy and what that number means, nothing but bragging. Wasn't my point. I wanted to get a ultra conservative tune , 400rwhp (on a mustang dyno) at 9psi. We did that. If I wanted my tuner to safely get 40-60 more hp we could of, I just wanted it right at 400rwhp, that way if I decide I want a little more its there. We are in the process to be doing a complete stroker kit on this car in the next few months. Once we start I more than likely will retune and get up in the 450 range, but I am good right now. Some slicks and a good track I know I can get low 12's high 11's out of what I have now...... Hope this wasn't to long. I should start a sticky to explain why I am at 9psi and "only 392 rwhp" cause everyone ask! lol/ My numbers do not reflect what you can get out of the hellion turbo or even what I could of got out of mine.
micah
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No.. "he" is running 93 octaine with 17 degrees of timing.
BTW, I found my sheet from the retune post MAF/MAS replacement. I lied, it wasn't 417, it was 418. The phone number of the shop is right on the sheet. Feel free to give them a call, ask for Manny, and ask him about my 4pis tune, what the timing was, and what fuel I was running. He will be glad to talk to you about it. It's fresh in his mind because I was back up there today
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Oh.. and just to stir the pot a little more, dropped back down to my 10psi pulley, did some retuning. Actually spent about 4 hours on the rollers today tweaking it. And again, 93 octaine, still the same 17 degrees of timing, and feel free to call and ask. Easier than doubting it.
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RE: this takes all...Saleen S/C is a waste of time - 
....allright its time to line up on the track....my blue gt vs ___________ J/K its all good...I just like blue...
So I will take my slow blue car and hope I can make it down the road fast enough to not be ran over by oncoming traffic...LOL
