cheftjpeck

okay....I just had to post this as someone in the Turbo vs supercharger debate has decided to label the Saleen as a waste of time...like it cant produce a beast or good numbers...come on guys..If you love turbo..that is awesome...can a turbo produce INSANE freaking numbers no doubt...but please dont embarass yourself when you try to state that a Saleen is a waste of time and cant produce good numbers....with just a 3.6 pulley...I have 422 rwhp reasons with an incredible 416lb torque curve to throw the BS card at ya....[sm=rant.gif]
come on stopping dissing on the Saleen SC, unless you can show proof of inadequacies...

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mx07gt

I think every form of forced induction has it's pros and cons.

Turbos can produce insane numbers, but are limited due to non-forged engine, and cant make that instant boost as a supercharger can.

But for my personal taste, I am a supercharger guy. Although I dont plan on buying a Saleen, I still have to admit that it is one of the cleanest setups i've ever seen. And if it can make 400 hp (idk if its rwhp) at only 4 psi, that is A LOT. No doubt The Saleen S/C can kick some ass.

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cheftjpeck

it can not make 400RWHP at 4psi.....but it did make 422.56rwhp and 416.9 lb torque at 7.5 psi...that still is pretty freaking impressive...and by no means did I post this to get in a TURBO vs SUPERCHARGER war...I think turbos are awesome....not for me but awesome....I just think its funny as hell how some can take such broad strokes with a brush as to say the Saleen SC is worthless....please...

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FRPP CAI WITH PRO CAL TUNE
FRPP BORLA STINGERS
NOT AS FAST AS SOME, BUT NOT AS SLOW AS SOME THINK!!

Perdi

LOL, a waste of time... ??? I'm with ya TJ, I just got off a Mustang Dyno yesterday, making 430/426 @ 7.51 psi....

can't really complain with that...although I want more...so going down to a 3.25 Pulley...

At what point is enough?? I guess it's never enough... Honestly though, there is somewhat of a point here... I would imagine that saleen is a waste of time if ya wanna get into 600hp+ territory, but i betcha a KB could handle it...but then again at that point and if that is the goal, personally I buy another motor that is capable of putting down a big number to begin with and start from there... and go for broke

I would like to know however what the actual limitation of the Saleen is... maybe 550 ish?

The interesting thing is between the Saleen and the KB, and I'm kinda going out on a limb here (and could be totally wrong) but I met a fellow this weekend who has a KB2.6 running at 8.5lbs boost and his numbers were something like 471/425... where I'm at 430/426, however I have LT's and he is stock...he has a tad more boost and is putting down more HP but similar TQ... (both on the same Mustang Dyno)... Kinda got me wondering a bit... I can't imagine that the LT's are making up that much torque... and is the KB really putting out that much more HP at 1lb more of boost? However there are some other things to take into consideration as well...different tuners, different A/F ratios etc...

Take it for what it's worth... not really a fair comparision, but it's all I got to go on.

In regards to that other post with the turbo running at 9psi and not even cracking the 400rw mark.... seems a tad low... ???

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cheftjpeck

nice numbers btw.....justin was able to get a stick gt 440rwhp and 428 torque,,,,it had a 3.6 pulley as well...but no headers...of course mine is auto so more parasitic loss and the headers helped my torque as well....

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GT500 SIGNED DASH PLAQUE AND SILLS
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Perdi

Yeah well we are all in the same ballpark.. Feels nice though 'ay!? I'm still desiring a bit more though.... i really wanna be over 450...with the suspension mods (and soon to have more) the car puts the power to the road real well... Smooth and manageable power.

Maybe we shouldda just done it right the first time and gotten a turbo??? LOL

So you thinking your good at 420ish?? or ya contemplating a smidge more???

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chrisc

when he said "saleen is just a waste of time" I think he was talking about the guy who's forum handle is "Saleen" not, the actual supercharger lol

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I don't mean to be critical but I think this is how Urban Legends start. First, if you're both running these kinds of numbers on a Mustang Dyno then your tuners are better than Kenne Bell's or anybody elses. The Saleen HP/Torque looks about right for a 3.6 pulley, conservative tune on an SAE (Dynojet) Dyno. As for the Kenne Bell 2.6L Big Bore for the 3V GT ..... hmmmmm. I think he's got a 10 lb pulley. I looked at the Kenne Bell dyno sheets on their site ( http://www.kennebell.net/supercharge...gt05-06_3v.htm) and here's how KB's own comparisons shake out:

PSI Max RWHP/Torque (SAE)
5 401/357
8445/386
8.5456/402
9462/411

I believe, not really sure, I read somewhere that KB has about 25 degrees of timing so it's pretty aggressive. I've got a 3.6 pulley and making 433 rwhp with my Saleen and a conservative tune, so when I look at the KB numbers compared to mine - I'm happier than spit!

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zkiller

You are correct about the KB tunes. My stock KB shoot-out tune had 25.5 degrees of timing advance. They also really push the envelope on their tune with air fuel, mine was in excvess of 13-1. I have recently had a dyno tune by Brenspeedand lowered the a/f to 12-1. Their tune dynoed at like 446/435.

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06SaLeEn

Well I was the one running 9psi with 392 rwhp, not to get into the debate about the two but I did want to explain why I am at that number. First off, I own a Saleen, and Love the Saleen S/C as well as other's. Whoever said the Saleen is a Waste of time is an idiot. The only thing thats a waste with Saleen is there tune. Thats it!
But here are some reasons why we are at 392 rwhp.
1) Humidity. Not the biggest factor but it was 90% that day.
2) I was dynoing on 20" rims. Again not the biggest factor, but a factor non the less
3) The biggest reason was thats what we went for, more or less. We could of and did get close to 60 more Hp out of her. Myself and my tuner bothchose to go ultra conserative. We more than likely would of been fine on the A/F ratio, but there was no reason to blow this engine as we are ni the middle of starting a Big Engine build for my car. Being at Sea Level and the Summer being Humid (80-100%) in FL. There was no reason to risk pushing the internals in these weak motors. Bottom line. I explain this before and some guy said blah blah blah, woulda, coulda and shoulda. and you know he has his points. But this is the reason!
4) Also we shut her down at 5100 rpm, where I see alot of guys going 6000+rpm on the dyno pull


Also to add, I am sure all your guys tuners are great and of course you guys have nothing to say bad about them, but I did have the owner of Sniper tuning doing my car and like and my shop owner said and what I have heard and seen at other shops. It is very easy to make a mustang dyno look like whatever you want. I am not saying your numbers are BS, but you should compare them to other shops. Or the real way to compare them is run them on the track. I am happy with my numbers and know there is more there if I wanted to . Fact is this car got alot more going on in the future. But guys with same set up have bigger numbers with the same or a little more boost so the fact is the power is there with the Hellion System, but you have to be careful, case and point JD and his blown motor.....