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RE: Hard starting when warm - 4/25/2007 1:08:42 AM   
xBenzinx


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ORIGINAL: Soaring

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ORIGINAL: mat11089

What a bad coil?Ive come across same symptoms and that was the case.

The car starts fine when cold.  If it was the coil it would be the same symptom when it was cold.  But, just to make sure, use that same multi-meter and check the DC voltage at the coil when it is hot.  It should be just under 10 volts DC. 
So, there you are.  It is most likely one of these guys.
1. Timing too advanced
2. Vapor Lock
3.  Hot starter
4.  Bad coil.

Let us know which one it is.


/agreed

My coil went bad on me and boom - nothing.  Hot or cold she wasn't starting.

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 4/25/2007 3:41:24 AM   
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its lack of a carb spacer get one its the cheapest fix listed and if it dont fix it doesnt hurt to run one cheapest way to fix a hot starter is this http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=THE%2D14150&N=700+400356+301922+115&autoview=sku

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 4/26/2007 3:12:28 PM   
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any update on your hard starting when hot

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 4/26/2007 3:16:53 PM   
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http://auto.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question377.htm&url=http://www.recarbco.com/technical/newtrouble.html     

Don't know if this will help but page down till you get to the Warm Starting Problem section.... Good luck.

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 4/26/2007 4:53:38 PM   
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+1, when i had this prolem this was the cure
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ORIGINAL: toolwench

Do you have headers? Your starter might be getting heat-soaked.

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 4/26/2007 7:12:05 PM   
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i may have this issue as well, after car is hot, it is hard to start, headers are on. Does that heat rap work well on the starter, or is it just a bandade till i can get money for a good starter.


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RE: Hard starting when warm - 4/26/2007 7:14:39 PM   
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Like I said, it is eaither the starter is drawing too many amps (heat soaked = no good) or the cables/ground is shot.

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 4/26/2007 7:15:30 PM   
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either works too, LOL

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 4/26/2007 9:01:55 PM   
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Sorry Guys no updates today, Had a couple of busy days. I will get on it on the weekend

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 4/26/2007 9:44:33 PM   
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do you have to remove starter to install the heat shield?

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 4/28/2007 12:42:15 PM   
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70STANG GUY- Stupid question. What is the "EAR" of the starter. I tried to talk to the starter to ask him where is was but he wouldn't answer! 

LOL

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 4/28/2007 2:38:16 PM   
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the mounting point where the bolt goes. there are two of of them. and if your engine is loud enough the starter may be deaf or hard of hearing try yelling louder.

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 5/4/2007 8:59:03 PM   
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OK. I Tried connecting from the bolt at the ear of the starter to the neg. post on the battery....same

I put on a heat shield.....same

I guess a spacer is next.   Any thoughts of where to buy one?

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 5/5/2007 3:00:29 AM   
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any auto parts store sells a carb spacer

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 5/31/2007 4:38:09 PM   
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any updates on your problem?

I've got the same thing going on with my 351c.  When it gets hot, the engine won't turn over.  Not even a full revolution, barely a sixteenth.  I put on all new cables and still no go when she gets warmed up.  Does not turn  over

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 5/31/2007 6:31:52 PM   
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More than likely it's the starter. Higher compression engines(especially depending on camshaft timing) can be hard, or in some cases impossible for a factory starter to turn over. Also, those big bulky crappy starters have tight clearances in them, so when they get hot they expand internally and begin rubbing, that's often the reason the car can't turn over when it's hoot, the starter doesn't have enough power to fight it's own internal resistance from 0 clearance let alone that AND starting an engine, especially one with higher compression. The start could be going south as well. It's a good idea to get a smaller higher torque starter anyway, just cuz they're more reliable, way lighter and easier to replace(cuz they don't weigh a ton and take up so much space). I run a late model 5.0 mini starter on mine, haven't ever had any problems with it.

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RE: Hard starting when warm - 5/31/2007 8:52:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 70stangguy

i had the same problem with my 351w it turned out to be the ground wire from the block was too small. i added another ground wire (4ga) from the ear of the starter straight to the neg terminal on the battery. no more problem.

my money's on this one (or the positive lead)
Very common problem with Fords, exacerbated by heat (and high compression etc)
anyone checked the battery cranking amps - can be showing full charge in volts but not enough grunt to turn over the starter when its hot (would also show up on cold morning starts).
if the starter is sticking from overheating a quick test is tapping the casing with a hammer to free it up (firmly but not so as to dent it). that'll at least tell you if the problem is there but you may have to jack the car to get at it from underneath. At least it wont cost you anything.

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