4-5k on a s197 will take that stock engine to its limits, unless you forge internals, and no i don have an s197 but sure i will eat one for lunch on my 04' bullit
Yep it sure will but a 450rwhp s197 will eat a srt* alive. And i see you avoided talkin about the GT500. Thats not even a contest stock. Modded its a jock comparision the srt8 isnt even close.
Why do people want to make a 4400 lbs Checker cab into a dragster? I don't get it. People should buy a Charger because they want a powerful sedan. Chargers will never equal Mustangs in the dragster world. The PCM cant be tuned, they have an open rear end, no gears available, nobody is running forced induction except there is a twenty thousand dollar turbo setup for the Charger. People cant even get the Charger in to the 11s - check their forums! The Mustang is the premier car for modifying for drag racing right now - that is a fact. You can make a Mustang turn 9s if you want. The parts are easily available. While we all know Mustangs can get their front wheels off the ground when they get setup right and have enough power, you will never see a Charger SRT8 pull the wheels off the ground. You may see one hauling 5 people and groceries but that is what they are made for - not drag racing.
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Reason I registered to this forum is that a buddy of mine just bought a 2007 GT, and is already having issues with the popping noise from the front of the car (engine), and that gas fill up, so I wanted to check that out for him. (He's lazy like that)
Anyway. We have compared the stock for stock and had the same argument about who is faster. But we stop short at comparing them as far as car class goes.
The only reason I have the SRT8, is for the BIG 6.1L engine, and when I want to get up and go... She growls and responds. That, and I need to hide the bodies somewhere.
Stock for stock... SRT8 they put out 370-380RWHP STOCK. There are a few running NOS and if you go to youtube, and look up hypersec. You'll see a great dyno. But by far... The mustang can take ANY SRT with a few bolt ons.
So once my buddy starts with the mods... I'll stop clowning him. about the speed thing, and move on to him being 6'3" in a lil muscle car.
The SRT8 is not a race car or even a sport car. Even though sometimes you do have to put a few non-believers in their place.
Most SRT's that are running CAI's are only for sound. Only two CAI's do better and improve HP over the stock box, but not by much. Given that you can do the GSM supercharger, but it is not reliable, and has blown more than its share of engines. Even the Hennessy re-build engines are having issues.
The new HEMI's are not meant to be modded with bolt on's, but rather bored and stroked for more power (426 HEMI comes to mind 565BHP tuned). So for the price. Mustangs if you want to go fast and do CRAZY mods and race... that is the way to go. No two ways about it. And no doubt that is why a lot of you are here.
I have always liked the BIG American muscle cars, and to a lesser extent, the Mustang, (I grew up on FORD).
Seat of pants comparison. 300C SRT8 feels better, but for 14K more than the GT... It had better. But for that 14K... His Mustang will no doubt be badass, and crush my SRT.
Just setting the record straight from the SRT community. Oh, and I am running a 12.99 with just a CAI.
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@ahbizmal: ... and that's what it's all about. Everybody likes his own thing... And thank god there are a few people who know when to stop comparing, think clear and have some fun with their cars. 'cause, that's what it's all about. Respect to the SRT community
In my opinion, i like both cars, both they serve a different porpuse, mustangs are sport cars that we use to have fun and smoke some people, srt8 have the lexury, comfort and the power, and remember that it will take few bolt ons on a new gt to get a stock srt8, and more serious work to anl older stang 04 and down to match that power, i have a 04 bullit with 125 nos, cai, gears 5 spd, shifhter and drag radial, tune and my best time was 12.5 @ 116 mph at moroso motorsport, thats just sligth better than an srt8, also you can mod an srt8, not as good as an stang but you can get for about 4k or 5k more than 500hp to wheels n/a without having to forge internals, now try putting that power in a new gt and ill pick up the peices on the dyno cause it wont make it out of there. like i said great cars but can't deny srt8 are a great car and you are getting what you are paying for, if you cant affort it, doest mean that its not good.
Just so you know, 4-5 S/C Mustangs come out out JDM every week with 450-470 rwhp and capable of 11's on stock internals. Mine's holding together after 15k miles. And remember, this is just one tuner shop.
I don't think there is any other car that has as much available to mod it than the Mustang...Sure Ford leaves us wanting more HP from the factory, but they've also given us a motor that responds extremely well to FI and other mods... along with a myriad of suspension and interior/exterior mods...And even still with F/I we still get very reasonable fuel mileage.
What more can ya ask for??
Plus these S197's are georgus... people LOVE them... They are dangerous to the bank account though....
I actually have a race this Friday night with an SRT8 Charger with a 100 shot & CAI & exhaust.Americanmuscle4.6 will post video of the race this weekend!
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those srt8 are pushing at least 370 to the wheels stock, so it will be no problem to spray a 100 nos and be over an blown s197 with little over $700
What do you base this on? I imagine there aren't many srt8's out there that are spraying anyway.
Lot's of s197's here with FI that have 470hp at the wheels and they aren't exploding. Not something I want to do, but can be done. Go over to an srt8 forum and see how many have FI.
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2 different classes of cars. Why anybody would compare them? Just dumb. The SRT8 looks to be a great car but it's also pretty lam-o in that it's a friggin grocery getter. Yeah, all the jokes about bodies in the trunk but really it's a grocery getter that some guy's wife let him buy because he's PO'd about driving a minivan and she wont let him have a stang. But I still give them good respect. Also keep this in mind...are the SRT8's supposed to be the upgraded Charger? If that's true than why compare to a GT? Compare it to the Shelby GT500.
And as for the folks talkin smack about what Ford has done, let's not forget that the bowtie TOTALLY dropped the ball and the mustang is responsible for keeping the muscle car alive in America. I get crap from guys at work who say "in 2008 or 9 I'll beat you in my Camaro." Yeah you might. But for now I'll whoop up on you in my GT while you're driving your ghey Toyota Camry. And by then I'll have a new mustang and it will kick it's butt so shut your pie hole.
I hate when a-holes come on the boards and start talking smack about Mustang. It gets me pissed. It makes me want to put their body in the trunk of my Mustang and oh yeah - you WILL fit.
2 different classes of cars. Why anybody would compare them? Just dumb. The SRT8 looks to be a great car but it's also pretty lam-o in that it's a friggin grocery getter. Yeah, all the jokes about bodies in the trunk but really it's a grocery getter that some guy's wife let him buy because he's PO'd about driving a minivan and she wont let him have a stang. But I still give them good respect. Also keep this in mind...are the SRT8's supposed to be the upgraded Charger? If that's true than why compare to a GT? Compare it to the Shelby GT500.
And as for the folks talkin smack about what Ford has done, let's not forget that the bowtie TOTALLY dropped the ball and the mustang is responsible for keeping the muscle car alive in America. I get crap from guys at work who say "in 2008 or 9 I'll beat you in my Camaro." Yeah you might. But for now I'll whoop up on you in my GT while you're driving your ghey Toyota Camry. And by then I'll have a new mustang and it will kick it's butt so shut your pie hole.
I hate when a-holes come on the boards and start talking smack about Mustang. It gets me pissed. It makes me want to put their body in the trunk of my Mustang and oh yeah - you WILL fit.
Speak On My Brother.... "May I have a Halleluja from the congregation!"
That right there is quite possibly the greatest thread ENDER in the history of the internet...
I can't see comparing a 4.6l, $29,000 car with a 6.1l, $44,000 car.. However, I think Chrysler blew it by making the Charger into just another 4-door, How cool would it be to have big 2-door Charger that LOOKS like the old Chargers? I'm sorry, the new Charger is nice enough, but the "super bee" and "daytona"packages are embarrasing and an insult to the originals. We're NOT stupid. Now Chrysler (and Chevy) are scrambling to re-introduce thier long lost ponycars, Probably a corporate about-face brought on by the popularity of the new Mustang... Unfortunatly, they are a few years late...There will never be a 300HP Camaro or Challenger for under $30,000, He77, lets see if you could get ANY Hemi in a new Challenger for less than $44,000! The Mustangs' main strengths (JMHO) are it's good looks, mod-ability, and affordability... Chrysler and Chevys' new ponycars may have the good looks, but lets see if they can deliver anything else, other than the dubious honor of pricing the modern ponycar market into the stratosphere. Chris
A charger srt-8 could have a thousand hp and win every time, but it is one of the ugliest cars on the road, not just ugly, but ugly-butt-ugly! If I was a mopar guy I would wait for the new challenger
This is only the 2-3 or 3rd trollI have seen on this forum. I only ever raced one, looked like a 17yr old playing in Daddy's car. I just had CAI/Tune at them time. He caught up only after I stopped trying, late 3rd gear. This was from a dig. I think the original posted is having S197 envy or something, go back to the 99-04 section plz.
the camaros back a few years ago was like 5 grande more then the mustang.that was their dimise.thats was kept the mustang going all these years,afforbability,you get alot for the money,if chevy and dodge sells theirs for 35 to 45 grande,that will kill them again.
I have just over $31,000 in my GT right now, sitting at 412rwhp. I could do a whole lot more performance mods, load my car with high-priced hookers, and still beat that $45,000 pig.
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