MD, you know im going to disagree with the 99% mustang thing. I can garantee ANY 5.0L mustang CAN run in the 13s with minor bolt-ons as long as its in DECENT mechanical condition.
Every FOX that me or my friends had has run 13s WITHOUT suspension or slicks... Driver Driver Driver. Our cars couldnt all be freaks... We put a junk yard 5.0 in a coupe and ran 13.60s with gears, pullies and exhaust... All stock 90GT went 13.90s, my AOD car went 13.40s with bolt ons...
Bring it to Houston and we will make it run 13s with gears and exhaust and a pulley.
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on stock tires? I can't see that happening. 13.60, not on a full weight 5.0 with just gears, exhaust, and pulleys.... and nobody said you can't get a bolt-on GT into the 13's, and nobody said you need tires to run 13's... pffft.
< Message edited by mdvaldosta -- 12/2/2004 12:06:41 PM >
I got 2 cents on this.... I may be new HERE... but I'm NOT new to cars or drag racing. If someone says that putting on longtubes, installing cams, swaping rear ends/gears, and other bolt ons can't be done in your driveway... a gravel driveway at that... you need to quit payin people to do your work for you and come hang out with us for a weekend. I have seen a fox dip into the 13's with a sneaky pete, BFG drag radials and flows only. It was a 5 spd and the driver wasn't all that great. Call me a liar.. call me a noob ... but I know what I saw. AND IT WAS GOOOOOD.
MD, you know im going to disagree with the 99% mustang thing. I can garantee ANY 5.0L mustang CAN run in the 13s with minor bolt-ons as long as its in DECENT mechanical condition.
Every FOX that me or my friends had has run 13s WITHOUT suspension or slicks... Driver Driver Driver. Our cars couldnt all be freaks... We put a junk yard 5.0 in a coupe and ran 13.60s with gears, pullies and exhaust... All stock 90GT went 13.90s, my AOD car went 13.40s with bolt ons...
Bring it to Houston and we will make it run 13s with gears and exhaust and a pulley.
MD, this is part where I say...........I TOLD YOU SO!!!
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Ok, here it is. I dont know exactly how spoiled some of you are, but EVERYTING I do is in the dirt. I dont have a shop. So that means cam swaps, headers, head gaskets etc. etc. gets done in my driveway. Ive pulled motors under a tree and rebuilt them on the stand without ever taking them to the shop. So "simple" is going to have to be defined by the builder. I beleive i could hit 13s w/ a 5.0 doing only bolt ons that have been done in my driveway. Id swap intake, headers, cam, swap for MSD ignition, 4:10 gears, pullies, air intake, and lighten it up by removing door bracings, sound deadener, rear seats and fue tank, then add a 13 gallon cell to trunk a relocate the battery to the rear. All that being what I would call simple, I think it could be done.
When I said "simple" I meant pullies,gears, exhaust, K&N filter and timing bumped to 14* No induction or valve train changes. You can include gutted interior but I don't think that's necessary for 13's
BOSSMAN....I'm right there with you doing things in the dirt.
MD, I consider gear changes simple because you can take a car to a shop and have them do it for you for about $500...or...do it the hard way and swap rears in your driveway which can be done in a weekend.
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1982 GT 351w(.060),10.7:1 flat top pistons, ported & polished heads, 1.94/1.60 valves,stealth intake, 750 holley dp, Comp 274XE cam, C-4 tranny with 3700 stall converter, 8.8 rear, 4:10's, subframes,electric fan. Tons of mods that are too much to list
1982 GT 351w(.060),10.7:1 flat top pistons, ported & polished heads, 1.94/1.60 valves,stealth intake, 750 holley dp, Comp 274XE cam, C-4 tranny with 3700 stall converter, 8.8 rear, 4:10's, subframes,electric fan. Tons of mods that are too much to list
Its very possible, Im in 13's and basically have all bolt ons, prett much every bolt on except upper/lower intake.But with Headers, H-pipe, FLows, Gears 3.55,subframes, timing 14*. youll be in 13's, my friends 91 Notch went high 13's with those bolt ons, on stock tires n' everything stock except what I listed.
we always kept stock headers with the stock heads. 1 5/8 headers slowed one of "our" first cars down, so we never used aftermarket headers in all our stock 13 sec mustangs
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Im havin a tough time believin the 103+ trap speed outta just an extra 20 or 30 hp
As far as "SIMPLE" bolt-ons, well I suppose that depends on what you compare it to. I can swap gears in 2 hours, a cam in 3 hours... may be a bolt-on but its not whats considered "simple".
The mods slo93 posted are simple mods, and certainly running 13.'s with bolt-ons is impressive. Cutting a 1.9 60' of stock tires is impressive - definately takes driver skill to do that - but - driver skill isn't gonna get you a 103+ mph trap speed - thats all about hp to weight ratio and your trapping faster than cars with twice the mods... 50 more hp... interesting to say the least
Im havin a tough time believin the 103+ trap speed outta just an extra 20 or 30 hp
That's about the only thing I'll agree with you on so far. 103+ trap speeds are usually seen with 12 sec cars.
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no but trap speed is an indicator of horsepower - I've seen cars run 13.5 and trap at 110, really depends on the 60'. A large part of the 1/4 time is traction, probably just as important as hp. A set of tires can knock off a full second or more on some cars. Add gears and traction and you've got a 1/4 killer - so simply looking at an E.T. will show you NOTHING about its horsepower. Trap speed is the real indicator of power, trap speed is largely independant of driver skill and traction - and the claimed trap speed is what looks fishy. I can believe a phenominal 1.9 60', and the trap speed matches what would be expected of a 13.6 car with a 1.9 60'... the problem is I don't beleive the trap speed, which is why I don't believe the time (with just those mods listed that aren't worth but around 25 hp).
Once again, I beleive its very likely that you could run 13's in a 5.0 with just bolt-ons... but not a cat-back, h-pipe, and pulleys... I believe, with my experience, that it will take soem sort of sticky tire and gears to do it. A 1.9 60' is about whats to be expected with drag radials on a stock 5.0 - so add some gears and some bolt-on's and your there - but at a trap speed of maybe 97 - 98 mph ON A GOOD NIGHT. to pickup 5+ mph would take probably another 40 hp.
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hey,MD what about a 108 trap? is that 12.3 territory? my dad's 89 lx hatch is bone stock except for a h-pipe,and glass packs.(don't ask) i vote to make his car a guinnie pig.................
If you know what your doing well enough a Supercharger is a "simple bolt on". I think if you buy a 5.0 just for what most think of as "simple bolt ons", I'd say you bought the wrong car. For as cheap as you can get a 5.0, H/C/I or a S/C arent that far out of reach.
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RE: 13's with simple bolt ons..some say no and I say yeah - 
... but I know what I saw. AND IT WAS GOOOOOD. 
