Ok, I'm going to have to say that TT applications are far more diverse than just Auto X. And that the tubro isn't always the end all power adder. You quote used a lot of words and didn't say anything. A TT set up that will use smaller turbo compressors, which indeed spool much quicker than a single larger unit. That alone makes them good for Auto X. but you are ignoring 99% of the other factors about boost when talking turbos. A single PROPERLY sized compressor set up will spool just as quick as a TT. And using the same power adder application for two types of racing is like trying to water ski behind a train..... Pointless. Drag racing and road courses require two totally different power bands and approaches to being first across the finish line. Auto X and road courses require instant low end tq....like from a positive displacement blower. That being said, a turbo will keep building up until it makes enough psi to pop the BOV, making them better for making power all the way to redline.
garret t-4 blowzilla is a great turbo for the cobra.
as for the link.. ill just quote it.. this is from the topic "Turbo 5.0"
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The biggest misconception with turbos is that more=better. Which is NOT true. People say "twin turbo this, twin turbo that" but twin turbos are not the "all-powerful gods" of forced induction.
Certain applications pertain to certain things you want to do. A single turbo can spool out just as much power as a twin turbo setup. TT's are great for autocross, but useless for the quartermile and every day streetracing. (unless you drive a supra which would give me a little envy haha)
You can make 800whp+ with a good single turbo, WITHOUT much lag. Which is another misconception..
If your bolting a huge single turbo onto a V4 then yeah, your going to have some turbo lag because the V4 does NOT have enough torque to fly through rpms. but on a V8? You'll find a turbo spools up immensly faster because seriously.. how long do we stay in the 1-3k rpm range? .. 2 seconds at max.
Everyone seems to think turbo=lag, but they dont do the research on it.
I'm not saying a turbo is BETTER than a s/c. Its all preference really. I just like to clear the air before people are like "omg turbo lag! why bother!" and whatever else.
I wasnt talking about a TT to defend it, I was talking about how a SINGLE can produce JUST as much power as a TT.
and the video I posted is a SINGLE turbo running 10.5's, which validates my point, which was that a single turbo is just, if not more efficient, than a TT setup. My point was that TT's are a waste of time and money (application depending as lilroush pointed out), and the video shows why.
and Lilroush I was taking about a single turbo not a TT setup. The point of what I posted was again, to show that with a single you can make the SAME power as a TT and STILL not have any lag.
I dont know if you were trying to correct me.. but when you said this:
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A single PROPERLY sized compressor set up will spool just as quick as a TT.
you just reiterated my point.
< Message edited by italia10588 -- 4/5/2007 12:30:36 AM >
Well ****, I just misunderstood what you said or were trying to say. For the 03-04 cobras you have the Hellion single turbo kit and the Hp performance tt kit. Theres others but those two kits sell the most. I would agree with you that the hellion will spool fastr than the twin. The hellion will make 820+ rwhp at around 23-25psi. So my bad for the other post.
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t kind of #s you putting down with your whipple? i see your it 17 psi boost , what six\ze upper is that with ?
im thinking of the 2 thejm them i dunno. i think my wife wont know if i get the whipple ..if she see's kenn bell on it she will be pissed , and go buy i big diamond of someting equal to that LOL
i like the kb 2.6 that pro what i will get i'll grind off the big k/bell logo of and paint it black ..
i was told with the 2.6 k/b with a 2.75 upper will give me 600+ rwhp..
< Message edited by the new nos/man -- 4/8/2007 9:04:06 PM >
I'm by all means no expert. I can just tell you what I have experiences and seen through the years. Turbo's and bowers are nice. I'm not a fan of centrifugal blowers. They power curves NORMALLY are not very linear. I have noticed that the sn-95 responded better to the centrifugal blowers. A good friend has a 96 cobra with a vortech. The car makes carzy power. Driven a couple of 99-04 with centrifugal and it wasn't the same. GRANTED each setup is different and both cars were tune by different shops. That makes a HUGE difference. As for what type of blower. For you car I would do whipple. The kenne bell blowers are very nice and put down nice numbers. It just seems that most of the guys I know running them in Orlando have problems with them. Could be the install or tune but Lamotta knows what they are doing. The have installed KB and whipples and it seems the KB are always breaking down. Just my .02.
Whipple tuned to 13psi Bassani to Borla Exhaust K&N Air Filter
That's it, and I dyno'd @ 545RWHP / 480ft-lbs. I love my setup... I'm not really approaching any dangerous thresholds where I'm going to throw rods or damage heads, unless I drive like a moron. I know if I replaced my injectors, fuel pump, coolant system and retuned to a higher psi, I'd push much higher.
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ok... first off Italia thinks nitrous is "rice" - so he loses all credibility right there. Also for autocross you don't want a turbo or a centri, nor a twin screw/roots - the best is to really go N/A... but that's besides the point.
Prochargers make a TON of power, and they're great blowers - however on the 03/04 Cobra it's not a good application because of the changes involved.... a turbo kit is ok - but has really no low end power due to the turbo itself... but there are great numbers to be made, and more efficient.
The big deal about the 2.6+ kenne Bells is that the blower itself is much more efficient then the 2.3 whipple, or any previous Kenne Belle. Even if you run 17-18psi on the blower, it doesn't create as much heat, nor stress on the motor... if you run 13-14psi on the blower then it won't make a difference... but the biggest difference in the blower for people that aren't making 20+psi on race gas, is how effiecient they run.
To answer this question realisticly you would have to figure out what type of power you want, and what boost you want... and how much you want to spend... If you have the money for the 2.6 or 2.8 or the 3.4 whipple - do it. It will run more efficient at any level of boost.... the 3.4Whipple you won't see much difference over the 2.8 unless you're making 28+ psi i think they say...
oh and fwiw... Hellion Turbo kits are the most popular for the Terminator owners - just very expensive.
garret t-4 blowzilla is a great turbo for the cobra.
as for the link.. ill just quote it.. this is from the topic "Turbo 5.0"
quote:
The biggest misconception with turbos is that more=better. Which is NOT true. People say "twin turbo this, twin turbo that" but twin turbos are not the "all-powerful gods" of forced induction.
Certain applications pertain to certain things you want to do. A single turbo can spool out just as much power as a twin turbo setup. TT's are great for autocross, but useless for the quartermile and every day streetracing. (unless you drive a supra which would give me a little envy haha)
You can make 800whp+ with a good single turbo, WITHOUT much lag. Which is another misconception..
If your bolting a huge single turbo onto a V4 then yeah, your going to have some turbo lag because the V4 does NOT have enough torque to fly through rpms. but on a V8? You'll find a turbo spools up immensly faster because seriously.. how long do we stay in the 1-3k rpm range? .. 2 seconds at max.
Everyone seems to think turbo=lag, but they dont do the research on it.
I'm not saying a turbo is BETTER than a s/c. Its all preference really. I just like to clear the air before people are like "omg turbo lag! why bother!" and whatever else.
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